Sorry to hear you lost the channel but glad youre back and feeling better.... this is a really cool interview. Here's a personal Beatle story for you (well my Dad's): In the late 50'searly 60's my Dad ran a dance band in Burnley, not far from Liverpool. To increase the "young person" attendance the manager of the dance hall would bring in local rock 'n roll bands with "the new sound" for a few sets on Saturday nights. My Dad's band (the house band) wasn't allowed to drink in the hall so they would dash to the pub across the road during their 30 minute breaks. One of those Saturday nights (he thinks it was maybe 1958 or '59) it was the Beatles or whatever their name was at the time (Quarrymen ? Silver Beetles ?). Anyway, my Dad and his bandmates weren't there - they were across the road at the pub because these bands all sounded the same to them. A few years later of course, he heard the name again and vaguely remembered the unusual name. So now I can tell the celebrity story to top them all : The Night The Beatles Opened For My Dad's Danceband.
John wasn't just coming back with his own music he was embracing the contemporary music scene. His entire attitude about life had changed and he was becoming such a joyous middle aged man. All the more why his murder was so devastating
I think you are correct. As is said, He'd seen it all, he'd done it all, he'd had everyone. Time to settle down with The Wife.....he decided he'd come to the end.
When I was young, I liked two bands: the Beatles and the Sex Pistols. I was told that it was strange, no one had the same hobby. And now, 35 years later, John Lennon is the first person to agree with this.
@@HC-cb4yp John was a long haired, free loving preacher of peace, he just so happened to be in the biggest band ever which resulted in him becoming filthy rich. He worked with and gave to charities, tried to end the war and just so happened to spend some of his money, I think most hippies would've done the same.
Agreed. I was heavily into the punk scene in the 90s and a lot of the punkers hated the Beatles and 60s music in general. But in my mind I always saw punk as an offshoot of 60s music. A lot of it sounded punk at least in attitude. Certainly the Ramones were heavily influenced by 60s music and they were the band that inspired the rest of the punk scene.
@@hellooutsiders6865 “Suddenly, you are twice the man you used to be Excessive fame in quick death. Would it be different If Paul gone instead Would you be so hot if you weren't dead? Famously, you spoke of love philosophy You're a hypocrite, your Cruel lack of empathy is long forgot Would you be so hot if you weren't dead?”
Kurt was a huge Beatles fan when he was a kid. I think he got his sense of melody from them and combined it with the punk rock he got into later. Perfect combination IMO.
@@stevecarey2030 yeah I remember reading he didn't want to double track his vocals when recording Nevermind but Butch Vig told him Lennon did it so he was fine with after that 😄
Same here, same age as yourself. My first memory of music is The Beatles “Something”. My 2nd memory is CCR “Down on the Corner”. After that it’s all a blur.
To me, all of the really cool stuff was between 1977 and 1986. That was just my style, and MTV videos really helped. Like John said, he first saw the Pistols video on cable TV. Early 70s was too folky with the rise of dreaded singer-songwriters of the period. That's just me.
& I was 12! Brilliant times for kids to get into music. Punk, ska, reggae, rockabilly, prog-rock, skinhead, 2-tone, mod revival, Bowie, Saturday Night Fever, disco, even eurovision was at its height, then new wave, post-punk, and the birth of electronic music... yayyyy!
And a mutual inspiration for both the Beatles and the Sex Pistols was Eddie Cochran. Paul played Twenty Flight Rock to audition for John, and Sid Vicious covered Something Else.
"Someone once asked me what was the difference between us and The Beatles" "Soap and Water" Steve Jones - Sex Pistols Guitarist. That quote always makes me laugh.
No no my friend. The difference between them is how many Number One Hits they made. Separately. I understand jokes, I know that Sex Pistols were a joke but come on son, they can't hold a candle to them.
@@peterdunai4073 This was a flippant, very "tongue in cheek" remark made by Steve Jones. Actually it was a line from the movie "The Great Rock n Roll Swindle". It was part of a movie script. You're taking it far too seriously LOL
@@peterdunai4073 Both bands played an important part in rock and roll history. The Beatles ignited the British Invasion and evolved over the 60s, while The Sex Pistols were ignited the punk/new wave era, which, thankfully, brought about the end of the Disco Era.
It's crazy to hear him talking about the B-52s they just seem worlds apart. I knew they were older but Love Shack happened in 1989 so it makes them seem much more modern.
Early B-52s had a much more post punk feel. By the time Love Shack came out, they were much more polished and more conventional (same with U2, REM, and New Order) and their songs were more pop and commercial sounding. Early B-52s was clearly influenced by Yoko Ono and the Plastic Ono Band’s more avant-garde style. Even Stereolab ripped off Plastic Ono Band pretty blatantly (and amazingly).
I could listen to Lennon for days, man. Love his Scouse humour and his points of views. As well as his stories. He loved Reggae too. I knew some members of The Beatles had met Bob Marley. I've seen pictures of Paul with Bob and George as well. Maybe a Lennon and Marley Collab could've been in the pipeline?? It's ironic how John dies in 1980 (the same year of this interview), Bob dies the following year.
Reggae a genre of music that has its roots in American Rnb.Check out Fats Domino, and the original version of My Boy Lollipop you will hear what the Jamaicans copied and called Ska .
@@Raider577 yeh and yankee responded by taking toasting into rap. Reggae is not rnb.Reggae is a riddum that come from Africa as did your yankee rnb. Ska is the only music inspired by yankee. Anyway we in the Caribbean love we soca. One day yankee might steal that too!
Great to see John give Madness some props. Such a great band, seeing them again this coming June. One step beyond! Edit 1/18/2022: Unfortunately, the word is sent out today that after two postponements in two years, the NYC show for June is canceled, as well as some other US shows. May have to do a road trip :)
Lovestruck, Never Knew Your Name, So Close, Mr Apples, On The Town, Sugar and Spice - they never stopped making bangers even after their hay day 😁😁 one of my top bands ever
I love Madness. My son got myself and the missus tickets for a Madness gig about 4 years ago. I hadn't seen them live since the early 80s and I went to the gig with trepidation, because I don't like seeing bands I loved in the past look and move around like old men. It was one of the best gigs I have ever attended! Absolutely amazing! I laughed and danced all through it. Guess who were supporting them? The Lightning Seeds. They could have filled out a venue just by themselves. What an evening. Have a great time in June, Steven.
MADNESS AND THE SPECIALS BIG HITS WERE JUST COVERS OF PRINCE BUSTER 1964. ONE STEP BEYOND, MADNESS, GANGSTERS (AL CAPONE song), MESSAGE TO YOU RUDY (DANNY LIVINGSTON 1967). etc....
John Lennon also said he liked The Cars, or at least he gave them a listen, and as massive Cars fan that means so much to me that John even acknowledged them. I know most of The Cars loved the Beatles, especially keyboardist Greg Hawkes. Two of my favorite musical acts, the Beatles and The Cars
Yep, all of them loved the Beatles, Elliot commented on his facebook he was really happy John liked them. The Cars also liked The Velvet Underground. Id say The Cars, The Beatles and VU are my top 3 bands. Ironically Lou Reed claimed to not like the Beatles, but did compliment them early on, and also loved 2 of John Lennon's solo career songs (Mother, Jealous Guy).
Sounds like the beginning of a great story. Shame it got cut off. It's well known that after John heard Rock Lobster, he became a big supporter of The B-52s. Also, anybody who has heard the Hamburg tapes, and knows about how they acted on stage, know that The Beatles basically started punk rock. You wouldn't believe how many arguments I've gotten into, and how many friendships have ended when I bring this up.
@@poloistanina to be fair almost everybody thinks Blondie is a solo act unless they actually get into their music. But yeah, it's pretty funny coming from John.
Oddly enough, Debbie Harry was going to be at the Hit Factory on the day after Lennon was murdered. They were about to meet (not recording together but to say “hi”.
Well any kind of proto rock is a blues driven guy screaming with a loud guitar a dude bashing the drums and a bass player all the other shit is layer cake.
@@randalstilskin5266 I'm talking about how John used to pull his pants down and moon the audience, throw beer bottles, get in fights with the audience and shout out cuss words. Not the music.
Really interesting. Good to hear Lennon talking about the New Wave. Plus ça change: I remember reading an interview with a Liverpool girl who knew Brian Epstein in the early days of the Beatles. She and Brian helped behind the bar at someone's party in Knotty Ash, Liverpool. The Beatles were there amongst the party goers. This is her quote: '...They were just a scruffy bunch of boys. And who'd look at them?'. Well, they certainly tidied up! .
Post-punk and art rockers were doing Beatles covers around this period on both sides of the pond. Funny how it was 'no Elvis, Beatles or The Rolling Stones' but the Pistols covered The Who! But then The Who were an early punk band of sorts. Smashing guitars and Anarchy in the Keith Moon anyone? That bright Pistols and Damned spark gave way to the likes of Wire, The Fall and Crass who kept that creative purity and spirit alive and made it a thing of their own for years and sometimes decades to come. A truly remarkable period in popular music it was from around 1963 to 1982...'83......
For whatever reason...the pistols disliked the stones and i'm seriously baffled on that one because early on (and latter on in some cases) the stones used to kick a$$ and be even more punky and all than the beatles and some others, iggy pop pointed them as a huge influence and the best of the scene. Even the stones in so many cases had more far out controversial lyrics than the who...and pete was greatly influenced by them too. They where mouthy, trashy, crazy and dynamic... .so that was weird coming from rotten.
I’d say those bands (including Pink Floyd) and especially the Beatles loomed over the head of any newer rock musicians, that they’d become the end all be all of music and a sign of the establishment. Despite being raised on these bands, I’m sure a lot of young bands at the time had to tear down the Titans to take their place in the spotlight. I’m sure later they grew a new appreciation tho.
@@cinematicpassages8884 the pistols liked The Rolling Stones. The whole idea of them not liking big bands of the time was a pose invented by Malcolm which he sold to the press, like the original bass player getting fired for liking the beatles
@@cinematicpassages8884 John goes back and forth on his reasonings about other artists. He says bad things about The Clash, but was on BAD’s video Medicine Show. That video had Rotten, Strummer, Paul Simonon, Jones.
It’s nice to hear John be so positive about the Pistols. I think it’s just such a shame that John Lydon is so dismissive of the Beatles and their work. I wonder if he’s ever heard this interview.
Lydon’s position on anything is usually simply anti establishment. Since the Beatles were well established and accepted it isn’t surprising that Lydon would say nasty things about them. It is all an act. Who knows what Lydon’s real opinion of anything is.
@@michaelterry1000 He new about Jimmy Saville and reported to the bbc, they never took any notice of him. The sex pistols loved children and would play music and entertain them, Lennon didn't have an ounce of time for his eldest son, if anything he was anti establishment campaigning for a rapist and murderer Hanratty because his family asked and a man he knew nothing about to be pardoned. DNA proved him wrong but he was dead by that time so he couldn't see what a fool he'd been. I didnt buy this peace and love with Lennon he was aggressive and anti social.
Wow! 😳😳.. Christine Usher brought this thread to a screeching halt!.. I wanted to comment about what an asshole Johhny Rotten is/was, and then I read your rambling, gossipy response. My goodness, what tf does any of that have to do with John Lennon's take on the Sex Pistols??
@@arawn10 You wanted to say what an asshole Johnny Rotton was and I said what a silly prat John Lennon was, I avoided the A word you used as Lennon was not quite bad as the A's that I have come across. As both names are around on these posts I thought I would add a bit of gossip. Now go off and have your booster, dont do a John Lennon and not have one.
Love that he mentions Lene Lovich lol, she’s mostly forgotten these days, but she was very Interesting back in the day… Another great commentary by Lennon on “punk” after Sid Vicious OD’d, he said: “Why did Sid Vicious die?!? So that we may “rock”?!?!? So there was a lot of common sense going on in Lennon’s mind along with all the brilliance.
Man its just strange to me I was a little boy in 1980 and loved John Lennon and a few years later John Belushi died and they are such pop culture icons we were in shock even the kids that they had died.
Being from New York , I’m so happy John Lennon decided to move here .. this is a place we’re no matter how famous you are people don’t care they might wave but it’s such a fast paced life people don’t bother you. .. he must of loved it here .
"I don't know what the word would be, but just so happy to know there's a man that's most popular in the world that knows my name, not my music, just knows my name, and I felt good" - B.B. King on John Lennon being a fan of him.
John was every bit a real down to earth kind of guy,that enjoyed living life and wanted to break into the music scene all over again.He was beginning to be a whole new John Lennon ,promoting others not just himself. God knows what his future plans held,but one thing is for sure ....... He was in full control and really for more to come.Missing you so John!💜
Lennon came of age in the 60s, but continued to look forward. He had a fondness for the 60s, but could appreciate new music. Many of his contemporaries were not so liberated. A few years ago I watched a UTUBE interview being given by Devo's Mark Mothersbaugh on the one time(I think) he ''met '' John Lennon after a Devo show. I think the band were piling their gear into a van when a face suddenly appeared and stuck itself to the passenger side of the van. Turned out it was Lennon,royally pissed and babbling some of the 'da-da-da-da' from Devo's ''Uncontrollable Urge,'' the first track on their first lp(I have a copy). He was a fan and Mothersbaugh admitted the riff was tweaked from ''I Wanna Hold Your Hand.'' I think this chance meeting happened in LA. Go figure.
when the Beatles were in Germany the nightclub manager would feed them beers all night and demand that they "make show" meaning go nuts on stage....that's what the audience expected from rock n roll groups
Fred Schneider is a super nice guy. I met him and his mom in Red Bank NJ once shopping in a thrift store. Fredwas born and grew up a few towns over. As he was signing an autograph for me his mom actually looked at me and said like a proud mom... "That's my boy!" What a great moment for both
Mark Mothersbaugh's story about meeting John Lennon briefly after a Devo concert is worth seeking out. If I'm not mistaken he talks about it on the WTF podcast.
John: we used to bite the heads off bats, drink each other's bodily fluids and throw feces at the audience... until Brian asked us to Tone it down for Ed Sullivan.
IKR? According to Lennon, the Beatles were shit unless he was in the mood to give them credit for something. Like the Donovan song that goes ¨first there is no mountain then there is no mountain then there is¨. LOL! Lennon bangs on that ¨first the Beatles are shit then I say they're not then I say they are¨. Lennon, at times could be reminiscent of Richard Penniman AKA Little Richard, when Penniman would bang on as to how he single-handedly invented Rock and Roll and everyone was just copying him. Penniman and Lennon: legends in their own minds. LOL!
@@jaelge John is our national treasure even though in many ways he could be seen to be the architect of his own destruction but then he was born during the blitz in Liverpool which was far times worse than London was. So go work it out.
Interesting that John was reminded of the Beatles' Hamburg days when watching the punk rockers. Though I think their behavior in Hamburg was more a byproduct of having to work for days on end without rest than any conscious decision to be punk.
It's quite interesting in this period, with McCartney still a major part of the current scene - Back to the Egg was influenced by New Wave - whereas Lennon had dipped out for a period of time, but then belatedly discovered it.
What's crazy is that the new bands weren't pushing the Beatle's out. Now Paul Mccartney and Ringo, (to a less obvious extent) are still interviewed, heralded as gods and their music is timeless and adored. The new bands that came a decade later didn't expand on and displace The Beatles, almost every band/genre since has been a fad- John never lived to see that the new stuff would fade and he would remain peerless.
I still listen to the bands he was talking about. Just bought the Pretender's debut album last month. I knew their music back in the day but just never bought their albums. Good thing too cuz now I get to listen to it as if it's new. Just as timeless as the Beatles IMO. While some of the new bands at the time did want to push the old bands out, others loved them. The B52s were big Beatles fans, as was Kurt Cobain of Nirvana. The Ramones actually got their name from the Beatles (they used the fake name Ramone when booking hotels).
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@@hookywookywithmalarkyman704 the Two Johnnies. ( I’m second generation Canadian Montreal grew up with British everything including the telly) somehow I think John L would have seen the humor. I’m 60 and it hit me when he died. I grew up from 3 years old with them being played constantly by my older sister. Even saw them land at Doval (Montreal) airport with my family in 64 when I was 3. They were the musical backdrop of my formative years.
thank you for posting this i get bashed all the time for pointing out that before epstein molded the band, they were pretty much "punk" john was a bit confused pistols never played max's....sid did pistols didnt try to make it in ny...malcolm booked them into the worst venues going through the southwest and destroyed the band madness didnt cut a record until 79 sad that john resided in nyc and didnt catch any of the american "punk" bands that were playing in local clubs starting in 75
I'm sure Lennon would have loved acts such as Radiohead, Beck, Flaming Lips. He probably would have liked the Shoegaze and Dream Pop scene or even the hip hop evolution. He seemed like a very devoted music explorer that (just like his friend Bowie) would have been always surrounded by new obscure trends and doing his stuff with modern influences unlike many classical musicians. Sad for all the music he could not hear.
John always had a bit of a grudge after the fact that he “adapted” himself to get the record contract by changing how they dressed, behaved and most importantly - sounded. He didn’t mind while it was happening and they had the success they did, but once bands like the Stones go successful and we’re able to spin their story as bad boys and back it up in their much rawer playing, it pissed John off inside. By 65 and definately in 66, he in particular started to embrace his true self and project it externally as well through his songs (help) and his opinions (bigger then Christ). And when folks rebelled because good Beatles lads were not supposed to misbehave, it posed him off even more. Good on him. Deep down, he was really just pissed with himself for not being himself all the way through. Regardless, a legend in my book
It’s a shame John Lydon is so dismissive of the Beatles though, although I’m sure some of that is just shock value as he’s not complimentary about much music that isn’t his! I’d have loved for John Lennon to have heard The Jam and to then hear his opinion on them as Weller in particular was a massive Beatles fan and cites them as his number one influence.
Lydon's a tool. He's a Lennon wannabe with his 'say something controversial and shocking' shtick. It's totally manufactured, whereas it was 100% natural and genuine for Lennon.
Like anyone - least of all John Lennon - gives a #%@ what that total sell-out says about anything! He is dismissive of EVERYTHING, up to and including The Sex Pistols, but after all his grand talk, he sold-out and got back together with them to make some money, didn't he? To quote Neil Young regarding Johnny Rotten, _"it's better to burn out, than to fade away",_ but sadly he's still around, fading away very slowly, running his mouth at every opportunity, whenever someone is stupid enough to stick a microphone in front of him. He's turned himself from a legend into sad old man, and he's not in the same solar system as the ballpark where Lennon is...
@@cheyne3985 uh...yeah. English comprehension an issue for you? He *wants* to be like Lennon because Lennon didn't give a shit what people thought. Lydon does it as a publicity stunt. Comprehend?
Funny thing is if you look at some old pictures of the Beatles in Hamburg in 1960 or 61 they looked a lot like a punk band like the Sex Pistols with the leather jackets and dour looks not the smiling lads were all know and love now.
i think it wos Chas smash who said he wos well chuffed to hear that he had heard that Lennon admired Madness....who wouldn't be!!....Loved Lennon, madness, clash, pistols all that stuff...all superb!!!
I remember when I worked at Phil Spector's office, seeing John and Oko standing in an elevator , door opens , no room for me, closes. Took me 10 seconds to realize it was them looking at me face to face !
I remember when John would roll shoe his first cases in a dime flip. It was after he kept turn color and stamp blinkers with his side crumbles. His own serious juice sting was a train set.
Might have had something to do with J. Edgar Hoover having been out to get him in the early to mid 1970's. Hoover was still FBI director when he died in 1976.
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry That and I think he had aome serious abandonment issues with his dad leaving and his mom dying ypung and all. He had alot of emotional/ mental health issues from these things not to mention all the drugs. All that can definitely make someone alot more caustic. Kurt Cobain is also a good example of that sorta thing.
Sorry to hear you lost the channel but glad youre back and feeling better.... this is a really cool interview.
Here's a personal Beatle story for you (well my Dad's):
In the late 50'searly 60's my Dad ran a dance band in Burnley, not far from Liverpool. To increase the "young person" attendance the manager of the dance hall would bring in local rock 'n roll bands with "the new sound" for a few sets on Saturday nights. My Dad's band (the house band) wasn't allowed to drink in the hall so they would dash to the pub across the road during their 30 minute breaks. One of those Saturday nights (he thinks it was maybe 1958 or '59) it was the Beatles or whatever their name was at the time (Quarrymen ? Silver Beetles ?). Anyway, my Dad and his bandmates weren't there - they were across the road at the pub because these bands all sounded the same to them. A few years later of course, he heard the name again and vaguely remembered the unusual name. So now I can tell the celebrity story to top them all : The Night The Beatles Opened For My Dad's Danceband.
That's fantastic!
Great story.
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Such a lovely story, thank you for sharing!
That’s so cool!
John wasn't just coming back with his own music he was embracing the contemporary music scene. His entire attitude about life had changed and he was becoming such a joyous middle aged man. All the more why his murder was so devastating
He left his son Jullian with nothing and completely disowned him. Lennon was a fake.
@@captainblimp4133 lol he never disowned him not even close. John was in Julian's life just not full time
I think you are correct. As is said, He'd seen it all, he'd done it all, he'd had everyone. Time to settle down with The Wife.....he decided he'd come to the end.
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When I was young, I liked two bands: the Beatles and the Sex Pistols. I was told that it was strange, no one had the same hobby. And now, 35 years later, John Lennon is the first person to agree with this.
Nothing strange about that. Makes perfect sense!
ironic, love it.
I love this bands too
You guys would’ve been buds
That’s not true, Lennon hated the Beatles!
I love that John digged the Sex Pistols...Many punks will say they hate hippies but they have more in common than they think.
John and Yoko owned a $32 million dollar mansion in West Palm Beach in the '70s. He's not quite the hippie folks think he was.
@@HC-cb4yp John was a long haired, free loving preacher of peace, he just so happened to be in the biggest band ever which resulted in him becoming filthy rich. He worked with and gave to charities, tried to end the war and just so happened to spend some of his money, I think most hippies would've done the same.
Hippies use the side door.
Agreed. I was heavily into the punk scene in the 90s and a lot of the punkers hated the Beatles and 60s music in general. But in my mind I always saw punk as an offshoot of 60s music. A lot of it sounded punk at least in attitude. Certainly the Ramones were heavily influenced by 60s music and they were the band that inspired the rest of the punk scene.
@@hellooutsiders6865 “Suddenly, you are twice the man you used to be
Excessive fame in quick death.
Would it be different
If Paul gone instead
Would you be so hot if you weren't dead?
Famously, you spoke of love philosophy
You're a hypocrite, your
Cruel lack of empathy is long forgot
Would you be so hot if you weren't dead?”
Lennon talking about that new fangled ¨cable TV thing they have here¨. LOL!
Is like to have seen what John would have made of Nirvana, I think he'd have loved Kurt's sense of melody and how hard they rocked.
Kurt was a huge Beatles fan when he was a kid. I think he got his sense of melody from them and combined it with the punk rock he got into later. Perfect combination IMO.
Lennon and Kurt are very similar in their "verismo" style of songwriting and performing! Both held raw honesty as the highest criterium in art
I suspect he would've felt the same sense of 'I've heard all this before INCLUDING the angst' as many did when Nirvana shot to fame.
@@stevecarey2030 yeah I remember reading he didn't want to double track his vocals when recording Nevermind but Butch Vig told him Lennon did it so he was fine with after that 😄
Nirvana is god awful whiner music
This only confirms all the collaborations we missed out on. Brings tears to my eyes.
Absolutely
The mid 70s was such a fantastic time for new music. I was 11 in 1976 and just absorbed it all.
Same here, same age as yourself. My first memory of music is The Beatles “Something”. My 2nd memory is CCR “Down on the Corner”. After that it’s all a blur.
Lucky you!
I was 17. It was a long hot Summer and it's songs were Don't Go Breaking My Heart, Fernando and Young Hearts, Run Free.
To me, all of the really cool stuff was between 1977 and 1986. That was just my style, and MTV videos really helped. Like John said, he first saw the Pistols video on cable TV. Early 70s was too folky with the rise of dreaded singer-songwriters of the period. That's just me.
& I was 12! Brilliant times for kids to get into music. Punk, ska, reggae, rockabilly, prog-rock, skinhead, 2-tone, mod revival, Bowie, Saturday Night Fever, disco, even eurovision was at its height, then new wave, post-punk, and the birth of electronic music... yayyyy!
And a mutual inspiration for both the Beatles and the Sex Pistols was Eddie Cochran. Paul played Twenty Flight Rock to audition for John, and Sid Vicious covered Something Else.
Well, Hell. Anybody who is serious was influenced somehow by Cochran.
Covered it with vomit.
"Someone once asked me what was the difference between us and The Beatles" "Soap and Water"
Steve Jones - Sex Pistols Guitarist.
That quote always makes me laugh.
No no my friend. The difference between them is how many Number One Hits they made. Separately. I understand jokes, I know that Sex Pistols were a joke but come on son, they can't hold a candle to them.
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The Sex Pistols sound like noise to me, angry, always screaming. The Beatles made music.
I believe both bands are legendary.
@@peterdunai4073 This was a flippant, very "tongue in cheek" remark made by Steve Jones. Actually it was a line from the movie "The Great Rock n Roll Swindle". It was part of a movie script.
You're taking it far too seriously LOL
@@peterdunai4073 Both bands played an important part in rock and roll history. The Beatles ignited the British Invasion and evolved over the 60s, while The Sex Pistols were ignited the punk/new wave era, which, thankfully, brought about the end of the Disco Era.
It's crazy to hear him talking about the B-52s they just seem worlds apart. I knew they were older but Love Shack happened in 1989 so it makes them seem much more modern.
He famously told Yoko "They're ready for you!" when he heard Rock Lobster
When John is talking about B-52s, he's obviously talking about the early stuff......Love Shack is more pedestrian top 40.
Early B-52s had a much more post punk feel. By the time Love Shack came out, they were much more polished and more conventional (same with U2, REM, and New Order) and their songs were more pop and commercial sounding. Early B-52s was clearly influenced by Yoko Ono and the Plastic Ono Band’s more avant-garde style. Even Stereolab ripped off Plastic Ono Band pretty blatantly (and amazingly).
Well 1989 isn’t exactly that modern anymore
@@jojopuppyfish / Oh really. You mean he's not talking about the later stuff! WOW!
Well, well, here's the word "Madness" coming out of the mouth of John Lennon. That was...somewhat unexpected.
I've never heard this before but to name check all those bands - surely a bit of a thrill for them?
Including Lenny Loverich.
The Pretenders too... wild
Why is Madness unexpected?
@@tonybates7870 because people in the states only know from the song Our House. Most don’t realize that they were basically a ska band.
@@apathyintheuk265 Lene Lovich. "Lucky Number" was her big hit.
I could listen to Lennon for days, man. Love his Scouse humour and his points of views. As well as his stories.
He loved Reggae too. I knew some members of The Beatles had met Bob Marley. I've seen pictures of Paul with Bob and George as well.
Maybe a Lennon and Marley Collab could've been in the pipeline??
It's ironic how John dies in 1980 (the same year of this interview), Bob dies the following year.
Reggae a genre of music that has its roots in American Rnb.Check out Fats Domino, and the original version of My Boy Lollipop you will hear what the Jamaicans copied and called Ska .
@@Raider577 yeh and yankee responded by taking toasting into rap.
Reggae is not rnb.Reggae is a riddum that come from Africa as did your yankee rnb.
Ska is the only music inspired by yankee.
Anyway we in the Caribbean love we soca.
One day yankee might steal that too!
Great to see John give Madness some props. Such a great band, seeing them again this coming June. One step beyond!
Edit 1/18/2022: Unfortunately, the word is sent out today that after two postponements in two years, the NYC show for June is canceled, as well as some other US shows. May have to do a road trip :)
Lovestruck, Never Knew Your Name, So Close, Mr Apples, On The Town, Sugar and Spice - they never stopped making bangers even after their hay day 😁😁 one of my top bands ever
love madness and mongoloids!!!
I love Madness. My son got myself and the missus tickets for a Madness gig about 4 years ago. I hadn't seen them live since the early 80s and I went to the gig with trepidation, because I don't like seeing bands I loved in the past look and move around like old men. It was one of the best gigs I have ever attended! Absolutely amazing! I laughed and danced all through it. Guess who were supporting them? The Lightning Seeds. They could have filled out a venue just by themselves. What an evening. Have a great time in June, Steven.
MADNESS AND THE SPECIALS BIG HITS WERE JUST COVERS OF PRINCE BUSTER 1964.
ONE STEP BEYOND, MADNESS, GANGSTERS (AL CAPONE song), MESSAGE TO YOU RUDY (DANNY LIVINGSTON 1967). etc....
so what?
Lennon was one of a kind for sure. Wish I was around to see him alive
Prefer the doors
Amen 🙏
@@Boilingfrogg There's the door. They were beginners.
@@carmenandthedevil2804 The beatles kiss arse.!! 💋
@@Boilingfrogg Do they? Whose arse did they kiss?
John Lennon also said he liked The Cars, or at least he gave them a listen, and as massive Cars fan that means so much to me that John even acknowledged them. I know most of The Cars loved the Beatles, especially keyboardist Greg Hawkes. Two of my favorite musical acts, the Beatles and The Cars
Yep, all of them loved the Beatles, Elliot commented on his facebook he was really happy John liked them. The Cars also liked The Velvet Underground. Id say The Cars, The Beatles and VU are my top 3 bands. Ironically Lou Reed claimed to not like the Beatles, but did compliment them early on, and also loved 2 of John Lennon's solo career songs (Mother, Jealous Guy).
Sounds like the beginning of a great story. Shame it got cut off. It's well known that after John heard Rock Lobster, he became a big supporter of The B-52s. Also, anybody who has heard the
Hamburg tapes, and knows about how they acted on stage, know that The Beatles basically started punk rock. You wouldn't believe how many arguments I've gotten into, and how many friendships have ended when I bring this up.
😃
You are absolutely right. Just listening to the Beatles performing a concert in Hamburg is enough proof
I had the same feeling when I was listening to their Hamburg recordings. Punk before punk.
Sorry to hear you lose friends just because they have a different opinion on music, perhaps better off without them if they are so shallow ...
I'd wager if you are losing actual friendships over this point it might be worth considering your approach to dialogue.
John Lennon was digging Madness? That just made my day 😁🤩
If I were Blondie or the B52s being name dropped by Lennon, I'd have felt like I really made it. I bet they were ecstatic.
B-52s (just for searchability). Very much agree.
”I saw Blondie when she was unknown”.
Facepalm.
@@poloistanina to be fair almost everybody thinks Blondie is a solo act unless they actually get into their music. But yeah, it's pretty funny coming from John.
Oddly enough, Debbie Harry was going to be at the Hit Factory on the day after Lennon was murdered. They were about to meet (not recording together but to say “hi”.
I bet they didn’t care about what an old pop singer thought of them and they were into their own scene
Reading about the Beatles back in their early days it always sounded like John was a proto punk. So I love he confirming that basically.
Well any kind of proto rock is a blues driven guy screaming with a loud guitar a dude bashing the drums and a bass player all the other shit is layer cake.
@@randalstilskin5266 I'm talking about how John used to pull his pants down and moon the audience, throw beer bottles, get in fights with the audience and shout out cuss words. Not the music.
@@thepangwin902 John used to yell at the audiences in the Reaperbahn "You fucking Nazis." And they loved it.
Talk about a badge of honor. Having a band, and getting praise from John Lennon. It must be satisfying on some level to those artists mentioned.
Who's John Lemon?
Really interesting. Good to hear Lennon talking about the New Wave. Plus ça change: I remember reading an interview with a Liverpool girl who knew Brian Epstein in the early days of the Beatles. She and Brian helped behind the bar at someone's party in Knotty Ash, Liverpool. The Beatles were there amongst the party goers. This is her quote: '...They were just a scruffy bunch of boys. And who'd look at them?'.
Well, they certainly tidied up! .
Post-punk and art rockers were doing Beatles covers around this period on both sides of the pond. Funny how it was 'no Elvis, Beatles or The Rolling Stones' but the Pistols covered The Who! But then The Who were an early punk band of sorts. Smashing guitars and Anarchy in the Keith Moon anyone? That bright Pistols and Damned spark gave way to the likes of Wire, The Fall and Crass who kept that creative purity and spirit alive and made it a thing of their own for years and sometimes decades to come. A truly remarkable period in popular music it was from around 1963 to 1982...'83......
For whatever reason...the pistols disliked the stones and i'm seriously baffled on that one because early on (and latter on in some cases) the stones used to kick a$$ and be even more punky and all than the beatles and some others, iggy pop pointed them as a huge influence and the best of the scene. Even the stones in so many cases had more far out controversial lyrics than the who...and pete was greatly influenced by them too. They where mouthy, trashy, crazy and dynamic... .so that was weird coming from rotten.
I’d say those bands (including Pink Floyd) and especially the Beatles loomed over the head of any newer rock musicians, that they’d become the end all be all of music and a sign of the establishment. Despite being raised on these bands, I’m sure a lot of young bands at the time had to tear down the Titans to take their place in the spotlight. I’m sure later they grew a new appreciation tho.
Great bit of summing up.
@@cinematicpassages8884 the pistols liked The Rolling Stones. The whole idea of them not liking big bands of the time was a pose invented by Malcolm which he sold to the press, like the original bass player getting fired for liking the beatles
@@cinematicpassages8884 John goes back and forth on his reasonings about other artists. He says bad things about The Clash, but was on BAD’s video Medicine Show. That video had Rotten, Strummer, Paul Simonon, Jones.
It’s nice to hear John be so positive about the Pistols. I think it’s just such a shame that John Lydon is so dismissive of the Beatles and their work. I wonder if he’s ever heard this interview.
Lydons not exactly the class act he likes to present himself as, if you ask me
Lydon’s position on anything is usually simply anti establishment.
Since the Beatles were well established and accepted it isn’t surprising that Lydon would say nasty things about them.
It is all an act. Who knows what Lydon’s real opinion of anything is.
@@michaelterry1000 He new about Jimmy Saville and reported to the bbc, they never took any notice of him. The sex pistols loved children and would play music and entertain them, Lennon didn't have an ounce of time for his eldest son, if anything he was anti establishment campaigning for a rapist and murderer Hanratty because his family asked and a man he knew nothing about to be pardoned. DNA proved him wrong but he was dead by that time so he couldn't see what a fool he'd been. I didnt buy this peace and love with Lennon he was aggressive and anti social.
Wow! 😳😳.. Christine Usher brought this thread to a screeching halt!.. I wanted to comment about what an asshole Johhny Rotten is/was, and then I read your rambling, gossipy response. My goodness, what tf does any of that have to do with John Lennon's take on the Sex Pistols??
@@arawn10 You wanted to say what an asshole Johnny Rotton was and I said what a silly prat John Lennon was, I avoided the A word you used as Lennon was not quite bad as the A's that I have come across. As both names are around on these posts I thought I would add a bit of gossip. Now go off and have your booster, dont do a John Lennon and not have one.
This made my day! Thanks for sharing this historical sound bite.
My pleasure :)
Wow John Lennon talking about all these great bands. And he loved them.
Cool dude John Lennon
Very interesting to hear his thoughts on these late 70s bands.
Love that he mentions Lene Lovich lol, she’s mostly forgotten these days, but she was very Interesting back in the day…
Another great commentary by Lennon on “punk” after Sid Vicious OD’d, he said:
“Why did Sid Vicious die?!? So that we may “rock”?!?!?
So there was a lot of common sense going on in Lennon’s mind along with all the brilliance.
John was lucky to see all the performers of the 1960's and 1970's. I wonder what he would think about the 80's and today's Beatle tribute bands?
JFK, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King...and JOHN LENNON.
ASSASSINATED by 2 yes TWO gunmen. JOSE PERDOMO (the doorman) was CIA
Great to hear Lennon speak of Madness. One of the UK's most underrated bands
Man its just strange to me I was a little boy in 1980 and loved John Lennon and a few years later John Belushi died and they are such pop culture icons we were in shock even the kids that they had died.
Being from New York , I’m so happy John Lennon decided to move here .. this is a place we’re no matter how famous you are people don’t care they might wave but it’s such a fast paced life people don’t bother you. .. he must of loved it here .
i got to agree with Lennon, I liked madness and the B52s
And I still like The Pretenders
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What an interview. He's a fan of Madness
Fascinating to hear this. I knew about the B52s affection. He saw them as proof Yoko could make it as a pop star-because they were so weird.
Lol. And very true
"I don't know what the word would be, but just so happy to know there's a man that's most popular in the world that knows my name, not my music, just knows my name, and I felt good" - B.B. King on John Lennon being a fan of him.
John was every bit a real down to earth kind of guy,that enjoyed living life and wanted to break into the music scene all over again.He was beginning to be a whole new John Lennon ,promoting others not just himself. God knows what his future plans held,but one thing is for sure ....... He was in full control and really for more to come.Missing you so John!💜
Madness gets his seal of approval. Right on!!
The thought of John Lennon listening to Lene Lovich makes me grin. I'll bet Yoko was like, "Oh, I like her."
I would've loved to have heard a conversation between John Lennon and Johnny Rotten.
Yeah me too. It'd have been interesting, two wildly different personalities 💯
Wow. I can't believe I am just hearing this. Long live John Lennon, a true Artist.
I know just what he means, taping over stuff. I did it too on all my TDK tapes when all I wanted to hear was rock steady and reggae. Just like John!
A great bit of JL I hadn't heard. Makes me furious to think of what else he would've given us...
Lennon came of age in the 60s, but continued to look forward. He had a fondness for the 60s, but could appreciate new music. Many of his contemporaries were not so liberated. A few years ago I watched a UTUBE interview being given by Devo's Mark Mothersbaugh on the one time(I think) he ''met '' John Lennon after a Devo show. I think the band were piling their gear into a van when a face suddenly appeared and stuck itself to the passenger side of the van. Turned out it was Lennon,royally pissed and babbling some of the 'da-da-da-da' from Devo's ''Uncontrollable Urge,'' the first track on their first lp(I have a copy). He was a fan and Mothersbaugh admitted the riff was tweaked from ''I Wanna Hold Your Hand.'' I think this chance meeting happened in LA. Go figure.
He actually _came of age_ in the 50s. They're the years beginning in puberty and ending when you become an adult.
That's actually not a stretch, if you listen to the opening chord structure of both songs. Very similar, I can see that.
John was the most punk of the Beatles, his songs had that rawness
when the Beatles were in Germany the nightclub manager would feed them beers all night and demand that they "make show" meaning go nuts on stage....that's what the audience expected from rock n roll groups
That's what seedy Hamburg club owners expected from their imported talent.
Frederick Schneider said he nearly fainted when he heard this lol
Fred Schneider is a super nice guy. I met him and his mom in Red Bank NJ once shopping in a thrift store. Fredwas born and grew up a few towns over. As he was signing an autograph for me his mom actually looked at me and said like a proud mom... "That's my boy!"
What a great moment for both
Quality bloke. He was not stuck in a time warp.
John Lennon and his 70s records and even Yoko's Plastic Ono LP were more Punk than anything Mccartney and his corporate rock Wings ever did
For some reason it blows my mind to hear John Lennon talk about a mixed cassette tape with the B 52s and the Pretenders on it.
Mark Mothersbaugh's story about meeting John Lennon briefly after a Devo concert is worth seeking out. If I'm not mistaken he talks about it on the WTF podcast.
They were all men. Doo doo doo doo.
Fair enough. It's weird for someone like me in the UK in the 2 tone generation to hear that Lennon heard Madness. Very interesting
John: we used to bite the heads off bats, drink each other's bodily fluids and throw feces at the audience... until Brian asked us to Tone it down for Ed Sullivan.
IKR? According to Lennon, the Beatles were shit unless he was in the mood to give them credit for something. Like the Donovan song that goes ¨first there is no mountain then there is no mountain then there is¨. LOL! Lennon bangs on that ¨first the Beatles are shit then I say they're not then I say they are¨.
Lennon, at times could be reminiscent of Richard Penniman AKA Little Richard, when Penniman would bang on as to how he single-handedly invented Rock and Roll and everyone was just copying him. Penniman and Lennon: legends in their own minds. LOL!
@@jaelge John is our national treasure even though in many ways he could be seen to be the architect of his own destruction but then he was born during the blitz in Liverpool which was far times worse than London was. So go work it out.
@@factorylad5071:
What you say may be true, but it doesn't contradict anything I said either.
@@jaelge In his own mind, and the mind of everyone else too.
@@ots1634:
Many, yes. Everyone, hardly.
This is mind-blowing, john mentioning the B-52s! I really forgot that they got started way ealy on. Crazy.
He was still tuned in for sure
“We all want to change the world. But when you talk about destruction, don’t you know that you you can count me out…in”
~ John Lennon • Revolution
Lennon is always open to new stuff, I love how he works with others in Let It Be.
Except when he wipes a tape clean lol
I can just hear John in 1983 ... "Pawl's been playin' stuff with that Jackson 5 kid when he should be chatting with that Prince fellow."
Reminds me of a 1972 interview with John where he actually referred to "Little Stevie Wonder".
Wow! Listening to John talk about the B52's and madass is wild.
Wow, must be cool for a guy to get him tapes to listen to
that is a really unique f'in' interview
I believe that John had a very high IQ.
That's what's fun about listening to him.
It just flows out. JohnYoko4Ever
He was highly intelligent, you can just tell
@@Beatlestories Thx
Interesting that John was reminded of the Beatles' Hamburg days when watching the punk rockers. Though I think their behavior in Hamburg was more a byproduct of having to work for days on end without rest than any conscious decision to be punk.
Crazy to think of all the music he hasn't heard.
He didnt need to....He invented it
And that the last he heard was also a pistol's song
@@finianlacy8827 wheesht
I never heard in any John Lennon interviews that he ever mention on his opinion of the band The Police.
New wave John would’ve been cool
It's quite interesting in this period, with McCartney still a major part of the current scene - Back to the Egg was influenced by New Wave - whereas Lennon had dipped out for a period of time, but then belatedly discovered it.
Billy Idol covered "Gimme Some Truth"
so what
Lene Lovich, hugely underrated check out The Bird Song
Billy Joel said he regrets not getting with John in the late 70's. He thought he would eventually get around to it someday.
eww gross. that is one name that does not fit with the others mentioned here
Well, he already knew only the good die young............
The Beatles song 'Taxman' had plenty of punk spirit
Awesome to hear Johns voice and his options, he was such a normal intelligent person.
Good stuff. Missed out on some great music probably made by Lennon in the 80’s. Could only Imagine
What's crazy is that the new bands weren't pushing the Beatle's out. Now Paul Mccartney and Ringo, (to a less obvious extent) are still interviewed, heralded as gods and their music is timeless and adored. The new bands that came a decade later didn't expand on and displace The Beatles, almost every band/genre since has been a fad- John never lived to see that the new stuff would fade and he would remain peerless.
I still listen to the bands he was talking about. Just bought the Pretender's debut album last month. I knew their music back in the day but just never bought their albums. Good thing too cuz now I get to listen to it as if it's new. Just as timeless as the Beatles IMO. While some of the new bands at the time did want to push the old bands out, others loved them. The B52s were big Beatles fans, as was Kurt Cobain of Nirvana. The Ramones actually got their name from the Beatles (they used the fake name Ramone when booking hotels).
@@stevecarey2030 Paul McCartney breifly went by the name of Paul Ramone.
@@markzappasodi Yep, that was to remain incognito. Booking a hotel as Paul McCartney would likely get leaked to the public.
@@stevecarey2030 he was Paul Ramone BEFORE he was famous.
@@markzappasodi Oh, didn't know that.
I wish he was still with us. What a wonderful person!
excellent stuff
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He mentioned Lene Lovich! I loved her 😍 she was so underrated
Very sad to say that John Lennon would die two days after this interview.
I am a Liverpudlian age 72 now & 2 dates are locked into my head, the day JFK was assainated & Johns.
@@hookywookywithmalarkyman704 the Two Johnnies. ( I’m second generation Canadian Montreal grew up with British everything including the telly) somehow I think John L would have seen the humor. I’m 60 and it hit me when he died. I grew up from 3 years old with them being played constantly by my older sister. Even saw them land at Doval (Montreal) airport with my family in 64 when I was 3. They were the musical backdrop of my formative years.
@@johngore7744 I live Thailand now last 17 years & folks love my scouse accent, take care bro !
thank you for posting this
i get bashed all the time for pointing out that before epstein molded the band, they were pretty much "punk"
john was a bit confused
pistols never played max's....sid did
pistols didnt try to make it in ny...malcolm booked them into the worst venues going through the southwest and destroyed the band
madness didnt cut a record until 79
sad that john resided in nyc and didnt catch any of the american "punk" bands that were playing in local clubs starting in 75
Except the Beatles' music was great, and punk rock sounded like sh**.
Anyone that followed The Beatles from their Hamburg days knew they were rock n roll punkers. It's just that it wasn't called punk back then.
“I dig it.”
Like a rolling stone
@@Danjoker. Matt Busby.
This just confirms what I believed all along. Very early Hamburg era Beatles were very punk.
what if Lennon HAD listened two years earlier??
I'll bet Double Fantasy would have been wildly different (better) than the MOR 'hit' it was
Andy Peebles was the interviewer.
So john was proto-proto punk
I'm sure Lennon would have loved acts such as Radiohead, Beck, Flaming Lips. He probably would have liked the Shoegaze and Dream Pop scene or even the hip hop evolution. He seemed like a very devoted music explorer that (just like his friend Bowie) would have been always surrounded by new obscure trends and doing his stuff with modern influences unlike many classical musicians. Sad for all the music he could not hear.
John still missed
This is awesome. Never knew John was around all of this at the time
John always had a bit of a grudge after the fact that he “adapted” himself to get the record contract by changing how they dressed, behaved and most importantly - sounded. He didn’t mind while it was happening and they had the success they did, but once bands like the Stones go successful and we’re able to spin their story as bad boys and back it up in their much rawer playing, it pissed John off inside. By 65 and definately in 66, he in particular started to embrace his true self and project it externally as well through his songs (help) and his opinions (bigger then Christ). And when folks rebelled because good Beatles lads were not supposed to misbehave, it posed him off even more. Good on him. Deep down, he was really just pissed with himself for not being himself all the way through. Regardless, a legend in my book
It’s a shame John Lydon is so dismissive of the Beatles though, although I’m sure some of that is just shock value as he’s not complimentary about much music that isn’t his!
I’d have loved for John Lennon to have heard The Jam and to then hear his opinion on them as Weller in particular was a massive Beatles fan and cites them as his number one influence.
Lydon has always been a hack. Glen Matlock was the only talented songwriter in that band.
Lydon's a tool. He's a Lennon wannabe with his 'say something controversial and shocking' shtick. It's totally manufactured, whereas it was 100% natural and genuine for Lennon.
Like anyone - least of all John Lennon - gives a #%@ what that total sell-out says about anything! He is dismissive of EVERYTHING, up to and including The Sex Pistols, but after all his grand talk, he sold-out and got back together with them to make some money, didn't he?
To quote Neil Young regarding Johnny Rotten, _"it's better to burn out, than to fade away",_ but sadly he's still around, fading away very slowly, running his mouth at every opportunity, whenever someone is stupid enough to stick a microphone in front of him. He's turned himself from a legend into sad old man, and he's not in the same solar system as the ballpark where Lennon is...
@@raindrops21_9 “say something controversial and shocking shtick” makes him a Lennon-wannabe? lol
@@cheyne3985 uh...yeah. English comprehension an issue for you? He *wants* to be like Lennon because Lennon didn't give a shit what people thought. Lydon does it as a publicity stunt. Comprehend?
Funny thing is if you look at some old pictures of the Beatles in Hamburg in 1960 or 61 they looked a lot like a punk band like the Sex Pistols with the leather jackets and dour looks not the smiling lads were all know and love now.
Lennon was always playing for a reaction by saying the unexpected-always hard to tell whether he was truthful or not.
Had hell of the humour though 🤣
no reason to doubt his sincerity in this clip.
If "Cold Turkey" isn't a protopunk song, I don't know what is.
Heavier and more raw !!!
The Fred Seaman book is intersting
It's a load of bollocks
i think it wos Chas smash who said he wos well chuffed to hear that he had heard that Lennon admired Madness....who wouldn't be!!....Loved Lennon, madness, clash, pistols all that stuff...all superb!!!
Too bad we don't hear John reviewing heavy metal/rock bands from the 70's like Deep Purple, Judas Priest or even Motorhead or Black Sabbath.
He had better taste than that, we hope!
Perhaps because none of these bands were new. You probably mean the NWOBHM crowd like Def Leppard, Samson and Saxon and all that nonsense.
I remember when I worked at Phil Spector's office, seeing John and Oko standing in an elevator , door opens , no room for me, closes. Took me 10 seconds to realize it was them looking at me face to face !
John had open ears and open mind. Great bloke all 'round!
Yeah. And he was a highly intelligent man too :)
I remember when John would roll shoe his first cases in a dime flip. It was after he kept turn color and stamp blinkers with his side crumbles. His own serious juice sting was a train set.
What…….?
Not that old story again .....Always with the side crumbles.
He always sounds like he's defending himself, to me. Always sounds like he thinks he's being attacked.
Might have had something to do with J. Edgar Hoover having been out to get him in the early to mid 1970's. Hoover was still FBI director when he died in 1976.
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry That and I think he had aome serious abandonment issues with his dad leaving and his mom dying ypung and all. He had alot of emotional/ mental health issues from these things not to mention all the drugs. All that can definitely make someone alot more caustic. Kurt Cobain is also a good example of that sorta thing.
Wow! Lennon mentioned "B 52's, The Pretenders, Sid Vicious, Madness", I could have never tell.