Interesting! I did a cam swap in my 2013 Twin Cam and it made a huge difference. If I ever need to change lifters, I’ll know a lot more about it now. Thanks!
This video is great timing. I was researching different lifters the other day looking for small diameter ones for an ambitious project I'm planning. For some reason prior to that, I thought Harley lifters would be small, having never actually seen them before. I thought they looked a lot like they were taken from a SBC, further research said yes but minor differences. Thanks for the breakdown and explanation on these, I really enjoy your technical videos
Machine tool builders do the exact same thing. If you have to replace a relay or a solenoid valve and you buy it from them you will pay 2 to 4 times what it's worth. A lot of builders have the manufacturers put a different part # on the component so it's hard to cross-reference it. If you call the manufacturer and give them the part number, they'll tell you they can't sell it to you and they can't help you cross it over to a similar item. It's not as big of an issue today since you can find anything on the internet pretty easily but 20 years ago it was a lot harder.
Amen brother. And a lot of times it's 20 to 40 times what you can buy a generic part for. So years ago, Chevy parts department....Dist cap for a 69 Caprice 327.....$8.50. Cap for a Corvette 327/ 350hp......$28....Same cap different part number.
Man you nailed it on being the bottom line is king to these companies. Excellent video! If someone made and sold those pushrod cups, they would do quite well. I'm sure Harley would be pissed though, LOL.
I have seen that with sunroof motors. An Explorer sunroof motor is right at $400 from the dealer. One of the retail chains sells them for about $220. It's the exact same motor. Even has the Ford sticker on it sometimes.
I looked around a lot and was suggested Chevy lifters for my 2005 Electra Glide Ultra Classic (88 engine), had a bad experience with my Buell XB from the same advice. I eventually spent the extra on Feuling lifters in my Harley. They were a huge amount more than Chevy lifters (like $10 vs $25 each), but should be proper oiling. With the info you just provided, I might be willing to swap internals with the less costly Chevy external. I still have the old stock lifters in a bag with oil, maybe I should gut them and store the parts for future.
Back in the flat tappet days GM made Chevrolet small block hydraulic lifters of a different part number than stock that had the black cups in them. The engine building guys referred to them at the time as the "Taxi Cab" lifter. They worked very well! Maybe that mod on them too?
I was working with a parts distributor and asked the difference between a regular oil pump and lifetime warranty pump. The box it comes in and the price.
Great video. I would recommend wpc treatment on the....EVERYTHING lol that stuff looks like it's the cat daddy for Longevity. I would like to Soak my old Shovelhead and ratchet top four speed in it, after watching videos about it. Cheek it out ✌️
Thanks, Daniel, i have heard this . I've been a Harley guy for years. Those aftermarket companies make much bigger flow oil pumps, too. I believe it's mostly the gears in the pump. I've got a 06 twin cam 88 cube motor, and i want to run a better cam. I like the 88 ci motor, but it needs head work and a little more duration for my style of riding. Have you ground any of the twin cam cams?
If you say they moved the oil band I wonder if they moved the oil band to try and keep it in the pressure channel/oil galley longer so it'll oil the rockers. I've never been in a Harley engine like that to even know if there's an oil galley there but if they moved the band they did it for a reason. I e had to scratch small block Chevy brodix aluminum block small base circle deal to get them to oil a little move in my application made huge difference in oil with the same parts
I love my Harley's but they have done this forever. their parts are 2 or 3 times as much as anything else and most of the stuff are just common parts. You are paying for the name.
Harley is a high profit oriented company. If the CEO's and the white shirts were paid more fairly, R&D would have capital to actually make thieir own inroads but their plan has been adaptability vs research.
@PowellCams early 70s, my uncle had a sportster for his wife, I remember them saying cut the skirt off side to clear the rod, bad part was the 283 had 5 yrs of run time on it, used
Could you give a explanation of the difference between a solid versus a hydraulic cam, for a comparable grind / spec? Have heard a lot of things, but ‘spect it’s 99% bullshit…
Interesting! I did a cam swap in my 2013 Twin Cam and it made a huge difference. If I ever need to change lifters, I’ll know a lot more about it now. Thanks!
This video is great timing. I was researching different lifters the other day looking for small diameter ones for an ambitious project I'm planning. For some reason prior to that, I thought Harley lifters would be small, having never actually seen them before. I thought they looked a lot like they were taken from a SBC, further research said yes but minor differences. Thanks for the breakdown and explanation on these, I really enjoy your technical videos
Glad it was helpful!
Machine tool builders do the exact same thing. If you have to replace a relay or a solenoid valve and you buy it from them you will pay 2 to 4 times what it's worth.
A lot of builders have the manufacturers put a different part # on the component so it's hard to cross-reference it. If you call the manufacturer and give them the part number,
they'll tell you they can't sell it to you and they can't help you cross it over to a similar item. It's not as big of an issue today since you can find anything on the
internet pretty easily but 20 years ago it was a lot harder.
Amen brother. And a lot of times it's 20 to 40 times what you can buy a generic part for. So years ago, Chevy parts department....Dist cap for a 69 Caprice 327.....$8.50. Cap for a Corvette 327/ 350hp......$28....Same cap different part number.
Yep, I've seen that first hand
Man you nailed it on being the bottom line is king to these companies. Excellent video! If someone made and sold those pushrod cups, they would do quite well. I'm sure Harley would be pissed though, LOL.
Absolutely 💯
Drill the oil hole larger with a carbide drill?
I don't own any GM or HD stuff, and this is still quite interesting 👍😎✊
Ty
Some Polaris stuff uses Chevy lifters also. Makes sense to use a readily available part.
Definitely
There has been 100% markup in the automotive industry on everything since I started. I wrenched for 22 years.
Absolutely 💯
nowadays it ALL about the bottom line..!..great content...!...very cool..!..thanks...!
Glad you liked it!
Kohler engines use GM style lifters as well
Interesting
I have seen that with sunroof motors. An Explorer sunroof motor is right at $400 from the dealer. One of the retail chains sells them for about $220. It's the exact same motor. Even has the Ford sticker on it sometimes.
Definitely
I looked around a lot and was suggested Chevy lifters for my 2005 Electra Glide Ultra Classic (88 engine), had a bad experience with my Buell XB from the same advice. I eventually spent the extra on Feuling lifters in my Harley. They were a huge amount more than Chevy lifters (like $10 vs $25 each), but should be proper oiling. With the info you just provided, I might be willing to swap internals with the less costly Chevy external. I still have the old stock lifters in a bag with oil, maybe I should gut them and store the parts for future.
Definitely!
Back in the flat tappet days GM made Chevrolet small block hydraulic lifters of a different part number than stock that had the black cups in them.
The engine building guys referred to them at the time as the "Taxi Cab" lifter.
They worked very well!
Maybe that mod on them too?
Interesting
I noticed that when I had my cams out a couple months back. I thought they looked the same so I grabbed some and compared
Definitely
I was working with a parts distributor and asked the difference between a regular oil pump and lifetime warranty pump. The box it comes in and the price.
@@richtyndall2961 lol, sounds right
Great video. I would recommend wpc treatment on the....EVERYTHING lol that stuff looks like it's the cat daddy for Longevity. I would like to Soak my old Shovelhead and ratchet top four speed in it, after watching videos about it. Cheek it out ✌️
Ty
Thanks, Daniel, i have heard this . I've been a Harley guy for years. Those aftermarket companies make much bigger flow oil pumps, too. I believe it's mostly the gears in the pump. I've got a 06 twin cam 88 cube motor, and i want to run a better cam. I like the 88 ci motor, but it needs head work and a little more duration for my style of riding. Have you ground any of the twin cam cams?
Great point!
Cool deal brother!!!! That is interesting.
Ty
Very interesting.
Ty
Harley started using chevy engine parts quite a while back to reduce cost and standardize the process.
It makes sense
I thought Ford baled out HD...hence Ford Harley Davidson pickup truck. You would think HD would use Ford roller lifter.
@@keith6872I have heard the 7.3 Godzilla lifters, are Chevy lifters.
If you say they moved the oil band I wonder if they moved the oil band to try and keep it in the pressure channel/oil galley longer so it'll oil the rockers. I've never been in a Harley engine like that to even know if there's an oil galley there but if they moved the band they did it for a reason. I e had to scratch small block Chevy brodix aluminum block small base circle deal to get them to oil a little move in my application made huge difference in oil with the same parts
Possible
I love my Harley's but they have done this forever. their parts are 2 or 3 times as much as anything else and most of the stuff are just common parts. You are paying for the name.
Definitely
Harley is a high profit oriented company. If the CEO's and the white shirts were paid more fairly, R&D would have capital to actually make thieir own inroads but their plan has been adaptability vs research.
Definitely
Daniel Powell, do u ever modify lifters to make them short travel? Is there a performance benefit to doing it and will it hold up on street?
@ericsmcmahan na, If we need a solid we just use one
Very, interesting content!
Glad you think so!
The lifters Harley used in the twin cam cvo's were junk, mine started squeaking with 39k on the clock.
Interesting
End user getting nailed for spare parts is SOP , the more niche the market the bigger the markup .
Absolutely
They also have different sized lifters to set the side clearance.
Yes
Does your shop still do any Harley work?
Yes, we will no problem
now you need to make the same video that s&s made to prove your results!! Not for me though im a believer!!!
Lol, probably not, but maybe 1 day
At one time Harley used a 283 Chevy piston
That would be odd, I don't know of any Harley engine that a 283 piston would come close to working in? Do tell
@PowellCams early 70s, my uncle had a sportster for his wife, I remember them saying cut the skirt off side to clear the rod, bad part was the 283 had 5 yrs of run time on it, used
Supercool 👍😎
Ty
Could you give a explanation of the difference between a solid versus a hydraulic cam, for a comparable grind / spec?
Have heard a lot of things, but ‘spect it’s 99% bullshit…
Will do
The same company makes them both for Harley & GM
Gm manufacturers there own.
@@PowellCams not what Johnson lifter told me GM subcontracts out sometimes
amazing the shit OEM'S pull to use easily available parts and charge a fortune for.
Definitely
Thank you for your knowledge and videos USA 🇺🇸 TRUMP 2024
You bet