How Deep Is The Melee Iceberg?

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  • I was informed of something that's called "The Melee Iceberg". It's an image depicting the DEEP LORE within Melee's game and the competitive community. Is it 100% accurate? Let's find out.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 151

  • @WyattHoldW
    @WyattHoldW 3 роки тому +164

    “marth is a Martian” is because when you edit Marth textures, his skin names are titled “mars” not marth

    • @omarg2079
      @omarg2079 3 роки тому +5

      Same with his name in the debug menu

    • @kestrel7493
      @kestrel7493 3 роки тому +29

      Iirc that's his name in Japan

    • @MeesterTweester
      @MeesterTweester 3 роки тому +2

      When the Fire Emblem anime was localized to English (before any of the games were) Marth was called Mars

    • @kameqblindweaver8296
      @kameqblindweaver8296 Рік тому

      Mars roman god of war reference

  • @kestrel7493
    @kestrel7493 3 роки тому +52

    I feel like Asum Saus has switched loads of this up, I know about loads of the deep stuff but missing some of the early stuff because I sort of joined the scene through asum saus videos

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому +5

      Yeah I made a lot of this Iceberg before I even heard of the AsumSaus channel - I suppose some of these items could be higher now that they have proper, non-forum exposure.

  • @andrewferguson6901
    @andrewferguson6901 3 роки тому +33

    13:20 the rusty chemical smell from the CRT is from Ozone, which is 3 oxygen atom per molecule instead of the standard 2. Ozone is created when electrons or high energy photons come into contact with the O2 oxygen molecules in the air.
    It's interesting that you'd describe it as rusty because rust is oxidized iron and ozone is oxidized oxygen. Noses are very sophisticated chemical detectors.

  • @omarg2079
    @omarg2079 3 роки тому +38

    The all-messages speedrun is easily the most cursed thing on the list.

  • @CursedWulfGaming
    @CursedWulfGaming 3 роки тому +8

    Broke: "Blood tastes like iron" - Ping Pong the animation
    Woke: "Melee smells like iron" - Toph

  • @kaaaaos
    @kaaaaos 3 роки тому +11

    Fox having an infinite on the Geodude's bicep definitely belongs in the iceberg lmao

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah that’s going on the next update - definitely deserves it

    • @GustoFormula
      @GustoFormula 3 роки тому

      to be fair he has an infinite on any stage with a wall but yeah add it anyway

  • @heggles_1574
    @heggles_1574 3 роки тому +23

    Not only is one of the dreamland platforms lower than the other, all three are slightly different lengths

  • @MusicalRiolu
    @MusicalRiolu 3 роки тому +54

    atthe bottom is that bond, none and wizzyfan are legit different people

    • @spacevadr10
      @spacevadr10 3 роки тому +10

      it's true, ive seent them stream individually at the same time

  • @deep_cuts2019
    @deep_cuts2019 3 роки тому +42

    I can’t believe I know a couple melee things Toph doesn’t!
    Missile spawn limit is how samus can only have I think 3 missiles onscreen at any time, and shooting a fourth missile will make the oldest one instantly destruct.
    Ganon’s second jab is how in earlier versions of melee, if you put a bunny hood on Ganon and slow the game down in training mode (I think), you can see he had a second jab that was abandoned and it has an animation but no hit box.
    Cool video Toph! It was interesting to hear your perspective as someone who’s been in the community for so long, since I’ve mostly spectated for a long time.

    • @PurplingYellow
      @PurplingYellow 3 роки тому +5

      these truly are, some deep cuts

    • @deep_cuts2019
      @deep_cuts2019 3 роки тому +1

      @@PurplingYellowthank you, goodnight

    • @MeesterTweester
      @MeesterTweester 3 роки тому +1

      I don't think you need to slow it down

    • @deep_cuts2019
      @deep_cuts2019 3 роки тому

      @@MeesterTweester ok, I wasn’t sure about that part. Maybe it just helps you see the second jab for longer instead of it going by really fast. Pretty sure I saw this in the video that I found out about it from. Probably one of B&D’s melee facts videos

    • @Battlestriker18
      @Battlestriker18 2 роки тому

      @@PurplingYellow k
      0v. B

  • @metricleader8243
    @metricleader8243 3 роки тому +7

    The iceberg should have the legend
    "A skilled Roy can beat any Fox"

  • @TheAlex010
    @TheAlex010 3 роки тому +18

    why is "sakurai doesn't like competitive melee" at the bottom????

  • @Acryte
    @Acryte 3 роки тому +3

    Toph you keep that blasphemy away from my triangle jumps.

  • @PigsSSBM
    @PigsSSBM 3 роки тому +23

    As a modder, I can proudly say I’m very very very deep

  • @sdw-hv5ko
    @sdw-hv5ko 3 роки тому +3

    Another reason the Pichu hack worked for so long is that few people have played enough Pichu to notice small changes to frame data and damage and stuff. If someone had tried to hack Fox or any popular character they probably would've noticed much sooner

  • @danb1809
    @danb1809 3 роки тому +15

    I wonder if there is a Sm4sh iceberg because there was a lot of crazy stuff that went on during the game's lifespan like the one dude who got banned from the 3ds online for 136 years

    • @andrewfirth9858
      @andrewfirth9858 3 роки тому +2

      i wish there was a brawl iceberg because a lot of brawl history isn't known that well to a lot of the newbies like me

    • @danb1809
      @danb1809 3 роки тому +2

      @@andrewfirth9858 that era of the internet in general was so different looking back and I miss it a lot. I'd love to see Brawl history get the attention it deserves, especially with the machinima and newgrounds content from that time that are largely forgotten
      Fun fact: a Subspace fanfiction was the longest work of literature ever made (with 4.1M words) until last year

    • @andrewfirth9858
      @andrewfirth9858 3 роки тому

      @@danb1809 what surpassed the fanfic if you know? i wish false had made the brawl doc but too bad he wasn't a very good person so maybe in the end its better he didnt make the doc

    • @danb1809
      @danb1809 3 роки тому

      @@andrewfirth9858 according to google it's some loud house fanfic

    • @andrewfirth9858
      @andrewfirth9858 3 роки тому

      @@danb1809 thats LAME AS HELL

  • @pIayingwithmahwii
    @pIayingwithmahwii 3 роки тому +4

    Toph the distinct tournament smell is more particular to small locals in college dorms, small shop, etc., NOT big convention centers.
    Having a local at my friends small ass house with no AC in 90 degree weather, with 10+ CRTs and burning hot wiis and gamecubes, with guys who would have been sweating anyway cause of how tryhard they’re going… the smell was intense. Not gonna lie.
    I wore thick jeans and a button down cause I thought the house had AC. I was so hot that I gladly put on my friend’s dirty gym clothes that he changed from

  • @EsperSpirit
    @EsperSpirit 3 роки тому +4

    I joined the community in 2008 (god, I feel old) and this video really takes me back with all the crazy stuff from back then. Good stuff!

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      A lot of the data from this list also came from players who haven’t played since 2008 or earlier - just to gauge what details about the game and community stuck with them. It made feel old too lol

  • @2ndThoughtsVFX
    @2ndThoughtsVFX 3 роки тому +35

    Toph is so far in the upper echelon of melee that he doesn't have to deal with the stinky smash players. SMH - True top player privilege right here.

  • @ericksantiago9130
    @ericksantiago9130 3 роки тому +5

    Gonna make a vid about Leffen winning Guilty Gear at Evo? Love all the non-melee related content too

    • @seanathan1
      @seanathan1 3 роки тому +3

      no narcs but uhhh
      editing that rn ;)

  • @bradleyshaffer2414
    @bradleyshaffer2414 3 роки тому +1

    triangle jump explanation is pretty funny- triangle jumping was an old marvel2 tech (super jump forward, airdash diagonal down) and it totally makes sense that FGC heads would've tried to make it a thing in melee too

  • @jpserrano1605
    @jpserrano1605 3 роки тому +14

    If I remember correctly Ganon's second jab refers to the fact that he actually was supposed to have a second jab. I saw a video on that I think a Asumsaus one.

    • @GoodMorningJoel
      @GoodMorningJoel 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, in version 1.0 I think? If you give him the bunny ears item, he gains a second jab animation. I remember seeing this in one of those "melee is broken" videos as well

    • @dophinprincess
      @dophinprincess 3 роки тому +1

      on version 1.01 of melee i think with a bunny hat on and maybe some other specifications, you can do his second jab

    • @jpserrano1605
      @jpserrano1605 3 роки тому

      Yeah that's how it is I remember now! You can actually see the hitbox of the jab but it does nothing

  • @YourGuyWedge
    @YourGuyWedge 3 роки тому +17

    How is mango is the protagonist at THE BOTTOM. Literally everyone likes mango.

    • @spoonermcgee
      @spoonermcgee 3 роки тому +3

      I was flabbergasted as well, Mango is Melee and it makes the scene so fun for it.

    • @TheHandyMan101
      @TheHandyMan101 3 роки тому +1

      it’s a reference to the script probably

    • @YourGuyWedge
      @YourGuyWedge 3 роки тому

      @@TheHandyMan101 yea it would make more sense if it said mango has the plot armor

    • @johnglace7122
      @johnglace7122 3 роки тому

      That’s the mango

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      @@TheHandyMan101 exactly

  • @ProScubaEngineer
    @ProScubaEngineer 3 роки тому +2

    melee lore videos is a sick idea

  • @smashmouthegg570
    @smashmouthegg570 3 роки тому +3

    Final Smashes were actually meant to debut in smash 64 if I remember correctly.

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      Yeah that’s correct - Toph is also using an outdated version that didn’t have this point corrected

  • @coachmcguirk6297
    @coachmcguirk6297 3 роки тому

    I like how toph suddenly turns into jonsey when he talks about Falco master.

  • @200_MXP
    @200_MXP 3 роки тому +4

    I need a break from getting my ass beat by foxes online, always nice to have some Toph content

  • @kestrel7493
    @kestrel7493 3 роки тому +6

    How is mango being the protagonist in the deepest tier?

    • @AliMohamed-fu5lc
      @AliMohamed-fu5lc 3 роки тому +2

      An hbox fan who, in the darkest place in his heart, learned of the truth, but will never admit it, so it stays below the iceberg.
      Kappa

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      It’s the plot armor part of it - yeah, everyone knows about “The Script” as a joke, but this entry implies that he actually is THE protagonist of life. It is a steaming pile of shitpost.

  • @greenoftreeblackofblue6625
    @greenoftreeblackofblue6625 3 роки тому +2

    Where's the one that claim Hungrybox is a alt universe Mango?

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      Oh is that a thing? I might have to put that on the Iceberg if I can find more info on it. Lol I love community memes like that

  • @gumbo64
    @gumbo64 3 роки тому +3

    Isn't the projared gannondorf challenge the one where you have to beat like 3 99 stock ganondorfs or something like that
    edit: you just beat a lvl 9 cpu on level 9 handicap on hyrule while you are on lower handicap levels

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому +1

      Before I did my digging to make the Iceberg, I personally underestimated just how many people knew about this - I even had some coworkers who were non-gamers that knew about it. It was one of those things where, if you brought up Melee, someone might say “oh god, _______ have you heard of the Ganondorf Challenge?!” I don’t know why, but this was the case in multiple circles of people who have never spoken. . .

    • @gumbo64
      @gumbo64 3 роки тому

      @@Lynx11364 Yeah I remember it being bigger but now when I look it up its mainly just smashboards posts and only a handful on youtube

  • @Uberjunge
    @Uberjunge 3 роки тому +1

    b&d games is melting this iceberg

  • @n0lain
    @n0lain 3 роки тому

    Right off the bat, I didn't know about L or R for secret music lmao

    • @n0lain
      @n0lain 3 роки тому

      Also I'm pretty sure Isai and Shai drops are different. Isai Dropping is like what you described, but Shai Drops are like instant shield drops. Basically if you're holding right and you shield and immediately roll down the stick, you'll shield drop but the shield never fully activates.

  • @greenoftreeblackofblue6625
    @greenoftreeblackofblue6625 3 роки тому +1

    That list was so wrong when it came to how publicly known things are.

  • @jackwayne4570
    @jackwayne4570 3 роки тому +3

    what about the korean melee release?

  • @mrHugefro
    @mrHugefro 3 роки тому +1

    Lesser known lore is a great video topic for sure

  • @DoomJoy666
    @DoomJoy666 3 роки тому +2

    i remember triangle jumping lol, sex kicks got their name from macD i think, basically because just like an erection, a sex kick, gets weaker the longer its out.
    For ganons second jab i assumed most players knew that in early builds and even still in the code of the game, ganon was meant to do two jabs just like falcon. they changed this for the one super jab he has now. you can see frame data footage that shows this, however i dont think it has a hitbox cuz it was cut pretty early.
    '

    • @Jibbert
      @Jibbert 3 роки тому

      i never knew that was the reasoning behind the term sex kick that's funny as hell LMAO i thought it was more stuff like the ding dong in S4 where it didnt have a reason

  • @Jayluna98
    @Jayluna98 3 роки тому

    This was such a fun video to watch! I've been playing since the beginning of 2015 and I knew a whole bunch of this but never heard of some of this. Crazy!

  • @vitorodino9851
    @vitorodino9851 3 роки тому +1

    The Starcraft Brood War scene is similarly filled with lore. I miss the reign of the five dragons (five Protoss gods)

  • @Hyperion856
    @Hyperion856 7 місяців тому

    I have no idea what the haunted ganondorf trophy is.

  • @MeesterTweester
    @MeesterTweester 3 роки тому

    Everyone has a unique entrance animation in every game except Melee. It's just Melee where they're all the same lol

  • @fashionweek0
    @fashionweek0 3 роки тому +2

    more melee lore videos please

  • @Jakerunio
    @Jakerunio 2 роки тому

    Dreamland being asymmetrical became relevant to me when I was trying to practice zelda teleport cancels on the side plats lol.

  • @nillabeany
    @nillabeany 3 роки тому +3

    There is more than 1 Dedede on Dreamland

  • @lukagiasson8944
    @lukagiasson8944 2 роки тому

    Yess please!!!! I'd really like to see lore videos

  • @JANJANOJAN
    @JANJANOJAN 2 роки тому

    0:54 Wobbling i feel is more you gotta be in the know and the bhole glitch is famous in casual players idk i feel wobbling isnt as funny or cool to people but yea both are p common imo

  • @blob4477
    @blob4477 3 роки тому +5

    We needed this

  • @austinuhr8459
    @austinuhr8459 3 роки тому +1

    I think the "Link is Top Tier" is referencing the old April Fools' Tier List from around 2006

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      Why yes, that is part of it

  • @illford
    @illford 2 роки тому

    Isn't the Falco feathers a reference to that commentary moment?

  • @derous
    @derous 3 роки тому +2

    toph looks tired :( hopefully you've been resting well

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому +1

      I hope my Iceberg didn’t break the poor man

  • @Se7enRemain
    @Se7enRemain 3 роки тому

    Tournaments smell like a Hollywood Rental video

  • @laskeese7930
    @laskeese7930 3 роки тому +1

    Lore vids would be so sick

  • @_Majunior
    @_Majunior 3 роки тому

    What a time to be a green falcon main

  • @Zega_
    @Zega_ 3 роки тому

    Ganondorf has a second jab when wearing bunny hood but I think only in old versions of melee

  • @ThePortjumper
    @ThePortjumper 3 роки тому +3

    Dude, yes.

  • @michaelmurray9730
    @michaelmurray9730 3 роки тому

    Keen for loremaster Toph.

  • @shaan__real
    @shaan__real 2 роки тому

    Pretty happy how i did cause im a slippi player. Knew quite a bit into the bottom

  • @Budymryo
    @Budymryo 3 роки тому +5

    Haha goes deep enough to the topic of melee commentators refusing to talk about jisu haha

    • @woobiehastelly
      @woobiehastelly 3 роки тому

      haahha look a sack of shit with a lack of conscience saying they are okay with zero killing himself hahahahha
      so good

  • @pIayingwithmahwii
    @pIayingwithmahwii 3 роки тому

    I thought cactuar dash was specifically wavedash back, dash forward, for the purpose of making your forward dash smaller for better positioning or whatever.

    • @stayontrack
      @stayontrack 3 роки тому

      No its crouch to cancel run

  • @billymcneil7693
    @billymcneil7693 3 роки тому

    Awesomesause ( I now it’s missspelled) video we’re perfect for learning about a lot of these things

  • @adelinehaley9428
    @adelinehaley9428 3 роки тому

    So glad Double Dedede could make the list

  • @zachstarattack7320
    @zachstarattack7320 3 роки тому

    Thanks for invterviewing me! great video! love the channel and the great melee anime

  • @milk4you1200
    @milk4you1200 3 роки тому +2

    Great video

  • @Banquet_
    @Banquet_ 3 роки тому

    They forgot about falcomaster3000

  • @f_bog
    @f_bog 3 роки тому

    i'm pretty sure CRT displays ionize the air no BS and it has a smell

  • @linkluver_izn
    @linkluver_izn 3 роки тому +3

    only know isai dropping cuz of the marth guru site thing

    • @dophinprincess
      @dophinprincess 3 роки тому

      what a great website

    • @linkluver_izn
      @linkluver_izn 3 роки тому

      @@dophinprincess for sure, i wish it was still continually updated but the catalog of tech to learn and tips is so great despite that

  • @dayne0987654321
    @dayne0987654321 3 роки тому

    Fighting for the 70% of 40 dollars should be there especially after summit lol

  • @sinfinite7516
    @sinfinite7516 3 роки тому +4

    Lmao I love iceberg videos

  • @godslayerbiotch43
    @godslayerbiotch43 3 роки тому +1

    wish you would have just explained every entry tbh

  • @WillOfDavy
    @WillOfDavy 3 роки тому +1

    Blood tastes like iron.

  • @buffbear7890
    @buffbear7890 3 роки тому +8

    2:07 LMAO people just call everything racist now is it? why tf is Vudu dash racist?? its named after the guy who started it--VUDUJIN

  • @TsaDude
    @TsaDude 3 роки тому +3

    You underestimate the average player/viewer of melee i feel like. Everyone knows about splitting brinstar from when they were playing melee originally and the hyrule jump? That's something we all tried to figure out with jiggly when we first saw the stage. IDK feels like you've been in the community too long to be able to accurately judge it lol

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому +1

      Yes, thank you for saying that. Sincerely: the Iceberg’s creator.

  • @AlphaGamerfly
    @AlphaGamerfly 3 роки тому

    Wtf is the Westballz/M2k crack...pipe???

  • @Check_5_
    @Check_5_ 3 роки тому

    Been waiting for this one ☝️

  • @andrewfirth9858
    @andrewfirth9858 3 роки тому +1

    I am not crazy! I know he swapped Pichu's weights. I knew it was 55. One before ZeRo's win streak. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the TO desk to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. The fall speed! Are you telling me that a sheik just happens to miss a chaingrab? No! He orchestrated it! PICHU! He ALTERED game files through a MEM CARD! And I played him in bracket! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own tournament! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his gamecube controller off port 4! But not our low tier player! Couldn't be precious low tier player! CHEATING THEM BLIND! And HE gets to move on in bracket? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! You have to stop him- you-

    • @0rnami
      @0rnami 3 роки тому

      Or you could just comment like a normal person.

    • @qwsa283
      @qwsa283 Рік тому

      truly blessed post

  • @BruhMoment-pl6pb
    @BruhMoment-pl6pb 3 роки тому

    I doubt you’ll see this question and I’m pretty sure you’ve already answered this question but how do you pronounce your name? I’ve been pronouncing it like the character from avatar the last airbender

  • @MattBaker-o7
    @MattBaker-o7 3 роки тому

    Melee lore. Kreygasm

  • @Ryan_Mares
    @Ryan_Mares 3 роки тому

    What's xyb victory screen?

    • @colinmurphy2214
      @colinmurphy2214 3 роки тому +6

      Depending on which button you hold right at the end of the game you get to choose your victory screen (obv not applicable on slippi)

  • @connorlucas5035
    @connorlucas5035 3 роки тому

    I thought amsa tech was fron amsa the yoshi.
    Way to not say where it came from

    • @0rnami
      @0rnami 3 роки тому +1

      Amsah the Sheik player from Amsterdam. When you get hit by a move with strong horizontal knockback, you tech off the ground and DI/SDI toward your opponent.

  • @stayontrack
    @stayontrack 3 роки тому

    Leff and spacies propaganda def at the bottom

  • @CommandoBlack123
    @CommandoBlack123 2 роки тому

    Wow, that iceberg is bad

  • @samhardie5423
    @samhardie5423 3 роки тому +1

    This might be the worst image ever made. Amsah tech is in the deepest tier? the smash documentary is less known than pro Jared ganandorf challenge? I can’t tell if they made it bad on purpose

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      I know lots more people from outside of the community that know about the ProJared challenge than know about the Smash Documentary. And by all means; if you can make a better Iceberg, please do it - we could certainly use it

  • @DunkChai
    @DunkChai 3 роки тому +1

    this list sucks

    • @Lynx11364
      @Lynx11364 3 роки тому

      Good to know - thanks for the feedback