First off, I LOVE episodes I-VI! The thing is... I had no expectations for the ST. I watched the teaser for "TFA" and nothing else because as with every other "Star Wars" film, I wanted to experience it all for the first time. I actually stuck up for "the black stormtrooper" because he was obviously a Rebel since Palpatine's regime was racist. Then I saw the movie. So, Finn is a kidnapped, brainwashed child soldier that is horrified when a fellow trooper is killed. I was thinking that I might've just found my favorite character! But then... he goes to the very person who killed his boy and turns a T.I.E. fighter's arsenal on... his fellow troopers?!?! He is then just a joke for the rest of the trilogy! They have Rose explain the war machine to him. To a former child soldier, for crying out loud!!!! Not one time does he try to turn a single trooper to the "right side". Not even in "TROS", after he meets other former troopers, does he try one time! I completely understand why John Boyega is upset with Disney and Lucasfilm! That's just one aspect that I hate in Disney's utter decimation of "Star Wars". I mean, they go and dump the EU, and then picked from it, like a buffet, but without understanding the meaning of why it was like that in the first place. For instance, Ben. In the EU Luke names his son Ben because that's what he knew Obi-Wan by. Leia and Han only knew him as Obi-Wan, so why would they name their son Ben? Disney literally sucked all the depth from the name by giving it to someone else. Don't even get me started on a third Death Star directly after a movie with it. I avoided trailers for what was basically a remake/reboot which doesn't make sense because it's the 7th chapter in a story. That's like Harry Potter remaking the first one in part 5! Then there's Luke. Everyone says that "Rian Johnson had no choice! Luke had to be a hermit because of how JJ wrote 'TFA'!" Except that no one seems to remember their "favorite " movie where Luke rushed into a fight with an unknown enemy and lost his hand and nearly his life! A simple, "I realized that when Ben was taken by the Dark Side, that I still had much to learn. So, I came here to know my enemy." See? No need to destroy a hero! He taunts his nephew before he "becomes one with the Force "?! That's not Luke Skywalker! Like his father, he loves his family and would die for them. The end of the ST was pathetic. Palpatine created a clone that is old and decrepit? Why not put himself into a younger body like he did in the EU? Also, "I am all the Sith"; "And I... am all the Jedi" was such a rip off the MCU, and it didn't make sense because the Sith don't work together because they wanna kill each other. We saw this in the prequels where Dooku, Palpatine, and Anakin were trying to slay and replace each other. Notice how I did all of that without bringing up Rey? ;) While I don't like her, I think most everything awful about her character has been said by now. I was dragged to all 3 by a friend who likes "Star Wars" for the ships and the action, but since I'm in it for the lore, the characters and the story, I had a miserable time at every showing. It was disappointing because it failed at continuing a fantastic saga in any meaningful way.
Ha! Yeah, you're right, it's an imperfect solution. But I'd rather enjoy the movies on some level, even if it's only as dumb entertainment, than feel angry about them not being as good as I want them to be. Whether or not it's Stockholm syndrome, it's certainly a coping mechanism of some sort!
Not really. It's just accepting ridiculousness and reveling in it. All mediums of art become so much better when you insert yourself into the world. Once your realize the world is crazy and insane, you can either look at it distastefully or take a trip inside of it. Once you've accepted the rules of the world, you begin to find that there's a whole lot of good there. And the thing about Star Wars is that it has always been crazy and insane. To arbitrarily draw the line in the sand now that it leaned into its insanity more overtly, now that's crazy.
Yeah, I feel like I'd rather focus on the 35% of a Star Wars movie that I enjoy rather than the 65% that I don't. (If nothing else, it's better for my stress!) We got the films we got, and no matter how well-reasoned the complaints are, they can't change that fact.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos Sorry good puppet sir, but who/where is trying to "change that fact"?? My grandmother's dead and I can't change THAT; again, no point made, just an obvious statement...
I tried to turn my brain off and it just broke my heart knowing that's the only way to enjoy my favorite thing now. I was never angry at episode 9. Just disappointed.
I’d say for me The Force Awakens is a good time if not a good movie, The Last Jedi is a good movie that doesn’t belong in this series, and Rise of Skywalker is just a mess of a movie that I mostly choose to ignore.
I've done a lot of improv and progressive storytelling, and TROS is the perfect example of what NOT to do when you don't like what the last person did. Abrams wasted so much time trying to negate what he didn't like about TLJ that he forgot he was there to tell a story and have a point of view.
I wish I shared the same sentiment. The Disney movies are pretty "eye candy", but that's surface level. Great job to all of the overworked CGI artists, and the on-set film crew. But I can't get behind these films. I don't rewatch them. I don't dislike your video, but this all rang as one big "cope". It's okay to be disappointed and move on.
I think you OD'd on COPIUM before making this video. The fact you're asking people to turn off their brains to enjoy these movies is baffling. Just *ACCEPT* they are not good movies. For all the technical merits they may have, when the storytelling is so bad and poorly constructed, everything falls apart. It's like building a beautiful mansion on quicksand.
Wasn't just expectations! The shows had a lot of great visuals but no substance. Lights on noone home. Wasted unforgivable amounts of time on inconsequential characters and no where near enough time on real story. What story was there was weak
Yeah, these are absolutely flawed movies. If the choice is between having these films or having better ones, I'd choose to have better ones. But unfortunately we're stuck with the trilogy we got, so I'd rather get some small enjoyment out of them if I can.
Yes; I remember some pretty virulent hatred of the sequels when they came out, too. (I'm also just old enough to remember that not everybody loved ESB the first time around.) I think the main difference is that social media in 1999-2005 didn't have quite the same reach or influence it did in 2015-2019. One angry fan's scathing hot take reached and influenced fewer people, and it didn't receive instant, massive waves of affirmation. which led people to give the movies a second, more open-minded look and see that there were good points along with the bad.
Well here's my hot take I love the Sequel Trillogy . I had a big smile through a lot of it I felt a variety emotions and I loved Ben and Reys character Development. I am personally tired of the exhausting discourse around these movies and honestly it just feels like the early 2000's again with the prequel trilogy all over agai. I like the Prequels and appreciate a lot of the world building. I personally don't understand peoples gripes about these movies most of the things that I don't like in these movies aren't that big of deal with and the story beats do fit into over all narvitive when you watch all three movies. Oddlly enuff I like each movie better in accession, rise of Skywalker is my favorite movie out of the three and the force awakens is my least favorite.
The Star Wars fandom has become so toxic I've had to take a step back from it for the sake of my own sanity, and I know I'm far from the only one. Unsurprisingly, that often leaves the loudest, angriest voices to dominate the conversation. Given the staggering amount of often self-contradictory canon that's been pumped out over the decades, it's practically unavoidable that some fans will dislike certain parts and other fans will dislike certain other parts. My approach is to simply not engage with the ones that bother me.
Yeah, fandoms are getting more toxic all over the place. To me, it's fine to dislike something and to give it a bad review. But when fans obsess over something they hate, even years later... that's what I don't quite get. I agree with not engaging with the stuff you dislike, that seems like a smart way to approach enjoying a franchise. To me, even if you hate part of "the canon," it's often still possible to find some fun in it. I mean, I dislike 70% of the Star Wars sequel trilogy... but there's still 30% that makes it worth a watch. Just because I don't like some of the storytelling choices doesn't mean I should deprive myself of some amazing creature designs, fantastic practical effects, and fun action scenes.
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I have found throughout my life that expectations are the leading cause of disappointment
Ha! I hate to be cynical, but that's probably true, especially when it comes to franchises.
First off, I LOVE episodes I-VI! The thing is... I had no expectations for the ST. I watched the teaser for "TFA" and nothing else because as with every other "Star Wars" film, I wanted to experience it all for the first time. I actually stuck up for "the black stormtrooper" because he was obviously a Rebel since Palpatine's regime was racist.
Then I saw the movie. So, Finn is a kidnapped, brainwashed child soldier that is horrified when a fellow trooper is killed. I was thinking that I might've just found my favorite character! But then... he goes to the very person who killed his boy and turns a T.I.E. fighter's arsenal on... his fellow troopers?!?! He is then just a joke for the rest of the trilogy! They have Rose explain the war machine to him. To a former child soldier, for crying out loud!!!! Not one time does he try to turn a single trooper to the "right side". Not even in "TROS", after he meets other former troopers, does he try one time! I completely understand why John Boyega is upset with Disney and Lucasfilm!
That's just one aspect that I hate in Disney's utter decimation of "Star Wars". I mean, they go and dump the EU, and then picked from it, like a buffet, but without understanding the meaning of why it was like that in the first place. For instance, Ben. In the EU Luke names his son Ben because that's what he knew Obi-Wan by. Leia and Han only knew him as Obi-Wan, so why would they name their son Ben? Disney literally sucked all the depth from the name by giving it to someone else. Don't even get me started on a third Death Star directly after a movie with it. I avoided trailers for what was basically a remake/reboot which doesn't make sense because it's the 7th chapter in a story. That's like Harry Potter remaking the first one in part 5! Then there's Luke.
Everyone says that "Rian Johnson had no choice! Luke had to be a hermit because of how JJ wrote 'TFA'!" Except that no one seems to remember their "favorite " movie where Luke rushed into a fight with an unknown enemy and lost his hand and nearly his life! A simple, "I realized that when Ben was taken by the Dark Side, that I still had much to learn. So, I came here to know my enemy." See? No need to destroy a hero! He taunts his nephew before he "becomes one with the Force "?! That's not Luke Skywalker! Like his father, he loves his family and would die for them.
The end of the ST was pathetic. Palpatine created a clone that is old and decrepit? Why not put himself into a younger body like he did in the EU? Also, "I am all the Sith"; "And I... am all the Jedi" was such a rip off the MCU, and it didn't make sense because the Sith don't work together because they wanna kill each other. We saw this in the prequels where Dooku, Palpatine, and Anakin were trying to slay and replace each other.
Notice how I did all of that without bringing up Rey? ;) While I don't like her, I think most everything awful about her character has been said by now.
I was dragged to all 3 by a friend who likes "Star Wars" for the ships and the action, but since I'm in it for the lore, the characters and the story, I had a miserable time at every showing. It was disappointing because it failed at continuing a fantastic saga in any meaningful way.
Oh, so I just turn off my brain and I can find things to appreciate? This is Stockholm syndrome.
Ha! Yeah, you're right, it's an imperfect solution. But I'd rather enjoy the movies on some level, even if it's only as dumb entertainment, than feel angry about them not being as good as I want them to be. Whether or not it's Stockholm syndrome, it's certainly a coping mechanism of some sort!
Not really. It's just accepting ridiculousness and reveling in it. All mediums of art become so much better when you insert yourself into the world. Once your realize the world is crazy and insane, you can either look at it distastefully or take a trip inside of it. Once you've accepted the rules of the world, you begin to find that there's a whole lot of good there. And the thing about Star Wars is that it has always been crazy and insane. To arbitrarily draw the line in the sand now that it leaned into its insanity more overtly, now that's crazy.
Talk about your tough love moment with this discussion. It’s hard to accept, but it is the reality that we are living in.
Yeah, I feel like I'd rather focus on the 35% of a Star Wars movie that I enjoy rather than the 65% that I don't. (If nothing else, it's better for my stress!) We got the films we got, and no matter how well-reasoned the complaints are, they can't change that fact.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos Sorry good puppet sir, but who/where is trying to "change that fact"??
My grandmother's dead and I can't change THAT; again, no point made, just an obvious statement...
I tried to turn my brain off and it just broke my heart knowing that's the only way to enjoy my favorite thing now. I was never angry at episode 9. Just disappointed.
I’d say for me The Force Awakens is a good time if not a good movie, The Last Jedi is a good movie that doesn’t belong in this series, and Rise of Skywalker is just a mess of a movie that I mostly choose to ignore.
I've done a lot of improv and progressive storytelling, and TROS is the perfect example of what NOT to do when you don't like what the last person did. Abrams wasted so much time trying to negate what he didn't like about TLJ that he forgot he was there to tell a story and have a point of view.
I wish I shared the same sentiment. The Disney movies are pretty "eye candy", but that's surface level. Great job to all of the overworked CGI artists, and the on-set film crew. But I can't get behind these films. I don't rewatch them. I don't dislike your video, but this all rang as one big "cope". It's okay to be disappointed and move on.
Well if count the books and comics it fulls the gap
I hope to see the day Disney no longer exist
Thank you for this video
I think you OD'd on COPIUM before making this video. The fact you're asking people to turn off their brains to enjoy these movies is baffling. Just *ACCEPT* they are not good movies. For all the technical merits they may have, when the storytelling is so bad and poorly constructed, everything falls apart. It's like building a beautiful mansion on quicksand.
Wasn't just expectations! The shows had a lot of great visuals but no substance. Lights on noone home. Wasted unforgivable amounts of time on inconsequential characters and no where near enough time on real story. What story was there was weak
Yeah, these are absolutely flawed movies. If the choice is between having these films or having better ones, I'd choose to have better ones. But unfortunately we're stuck with the trilogy we got, so I'd rather get some small enjoyment out of them if I can.
Even if this generation doesn't enjoy it now, the next generation will find a way to make it work. Such is the way of the evolution of Star Wars lore.
I think that's a good point. I'm interested in how kids are gonna take this trilogy and make it their own.
Nostalgia is when you like something just because it's from the past, and not because it's actually good.
Yes; I remember some pretty virulent hatred of the sequels when they came out, too. (I'm also just old enough to remember that not everybody loved ESB the first time around.) I think the main difference is that social media in 1999-2005 didn't have quite the same reach or influence it did in 2015-2019. One angry fan's scathing hot take reached and influenced fewer people, and it didn't receive instant, massive waves of affirmation. which led people to give the movies a second, more open-minded look and see that there were good points along with the bad.
Well here's my hot take I love the Sequel Trillogy . I had a big smile through a lot of it I felt a variety emotions and I loved Ben and Reys character Development. I am personally tired of the exhausting discourse around these movies and honestly it just feels like the early 2000's again with the prequel trilogy all over agai. I like the Prequels and appreciate a lot of the world building. I personally don't understand peoples gripes about these movies most of the things that I don't like in these movies aren't that big of deal with and the story beats do fit into over all narvitive when you watch all three movies. Oddlly enuff I like each movie better in accession, rise of Skywalker is my favorite movie out of the three and the force awakens is my least favorite.
I watched TLJ once a week for over a year, and it's still one of my favorites.
The Star Wars fandom has become so toxic I've had to take a step back from it for the sake of my own sanity, and I know I'm far from the only one. Unsurprisingly, that often leaves the loudest, angriest voices to dominate the conversation.
Given the staggering amount of often self-contradictory canon that's been pumped out over the decades, it's practically unavoidable that some fans will dislike certain parts and other fans will dislike certain other parts. My approach is to simply not engage with the ones that bother me.
Yeah, fandoms are getting more toxic all over the place. To me, it's fine to dislike something and to give it a bad review. But when fans obsess over something they hate, even years later... that's what I don't quite get.
I agree with not engaging with the stuff you dislike, that seems like a smart way to approach enjoying a franchise.
To me, even if you hate part of "the canon," it's often still possible to find some fun in it. I mean, I dislike 70% of the Star Wars sequel trilogy... but there's still 30% that makes it worth a watch. Just because I don't like some of the storytelling choices doesn't mean I should deprive myself of some amazing creature designs, fantastic practical effects, and fun action scenes.
My opinion standing now is The Last Jedi is a rather good standalone film and the other 2 are bad.