Having one guy control traffic on two different screens and have to roll back and forth is insane. And to not have ANY form of telephone isnt a lot better.
The moment the work crew informed him they were going to be working on the radar so it wouldn't be as effective, he should have had someone call the other controller back in. One controller handling 2 screens that far apart is bad enough when everything is working at optimal efficiency.
So, a little detail that very few people are aware of here. Back in 1980, McCarren Airport (Las Vegas International Airport, as some of us sometimes call it, as we refuse to refer to it by the name we outright refused on the ballot, and was overwhelmingly refused, but was forced anyway) had a problem where you had ATC's who were responsible for more than one screen. It was a miracle that very few accidents occurred, but someone eventually blew the whistle and it resulted in major changes (oh and the person who did that disappeared)
@@musiclove4887Doubt. The maintenance guys were just there to do their jobs. It was not the person or people but rather the entire agency of Sky Guide is to blame for allowing a practice that increases the risk of a disaster to propogate in the company. All they had to do was be strict with the break periods for the ATC. 1 hour is 1 hour. No negotiations of "Well, it's not that busy so we can havelonger breaks." I won't buy that reasoning. 1 hour is 1 hour, whether it is a busy day or a day where there is no planes flying around.
I remember this one vividly. We were living in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany, about 20 miles from lake Constance at the time and that evening having a barbecue at a friends of my mums house, us kids were playing inside and when we went back out in the garden all the adults were looking at the sky, saying oh my god, it must have been an aircraft. I still remember the look of sheer horror in all their faces. Later they turned on the tv and sent us all off to bed. We stayed at that friends house that night. Truly heartbreaking. I can't believe people are defending that russian father, though. I remember seeing his face on the news. No remorse, he thought he was a hero for killing that poor sky guide operator in front of his children. Disgusting human being.
This entire situation is beyond horrible. I feel so sorry for everyone involved. It is so sad. The victims didn't deserve it. The families didn't deserve it. The air traffic controller didn't deserve it. So many unfortunate circumstances conspired together to cause the disaster.
Lack of manpower in the control tower really impacts the incident the most. Human error, yes. But it was not truly his fault. Also the machine can be part of it too.
I feel sorry for so many of those kids who lost their lives in that mid air collision. In my mind one of the worst mid air collisions in aviation history
SkyGuide Management is fully responsible for this tragedy. Sadly, it was the controller and 2 planes full of people that paid the price. RIP to all those lost.
You can rightly blame anyone you want. Federal authorities should never have allowed a controller to be by themselves. The airspace should be automatically closed.
@@MegaLokopoThe sad thing is that back then this wasn't allowed in Germany, but in Switzerland it was, so if the switch to the swiss Controller would have taken place at the border, the accident would have never occured.
I can certainly agree about my own life. Sadly things like this still happen. Corporate greed has driven some companies to consider flying passenger planes with a single pilot, something that would diminish security. And children all around the world are being trapped in conflict zones where destruction is deliberate.
I think they had different narrators depending on which country they were selling it to. Jonathan Aris is my favourite narrator too. He is just great. He has done all the Australian released ones since season 2. I think they are now up to season 22. They are so well done, interesting and frightening all at once. Greg Fieth is my favourite investigator. He now has a UA-cam channel with a couple of other retired investigators. I must have watched this one 10 times. It’s beyond tragic on so many levels. All the best to a fellow J. Aris appreciator. 🌈🦘
@@Soffity I can't even watch if someone else presents the documentary. This gentleman really feels with us. and these documentaries are monumental ; we pray, we suffer, we share victims' pain. it is very important.
All of those children 😭 And Peter Nielson! He was just as much a victim as all the people on those two planes! Sky Guide should have never allowed for one controller to have to manage all of that all on his own! I hope the families can someday find peace 💔 And rest in peace to Nielson, who now will never get the chance to....
i feel honestly so bad for everyone involved in the case; the poor controller, that wasn't responsible, and got killed anyway, the captains, that were oblivious, the passengers that lost their lives and the families that had to accept everything do suddenly...
A very well constructed and educational docu and the reenactment is powerful and yet so sad. Sympathy to all the families ; I was especially struck by the man (the architect) who lost his entire family.
What a miracle that the dad found his little girl's necklace.. Poor man lost his entire family.. What a mess.. All those bright children, God help the families.. 😞
So SkyGuide management had mysterious technicians come in to do random maintenance of which the controllers were unaware? Yet they threw Peter under the bus. This system maintenance should have been properly coordinated to ensure all hands were on deck due to the faulty delayed system and downed phone lines. Peter is not at all to be blamed.
@@greenpegatrix3773About a year prior 2 Japanese aircrafts nearly collided with one another when one pilot took TCAS instruction &the other didn't and the reason they avoided collision was because one pilot performed abrupt maneuvering that left 100 people injured,he managed cause it was not during the night &he could see another aircraft approaching.What caused more confusion was what ATC manual stated when emphasizing role of ATC vs TCAS:It considered TCAS as an additional aid&then different chapter of the same manual forbade maneuvers contrary to TCAS.BFU on the other hand said to resolve this conflict pilots should follow TCAS instructions even if they contrary to ATC commands.
@stephenmapeka7774 That depended on which country you were in. In America, TCAS was the priority, while in most Eastern countries, ATC always has the final say. It wasn't until two planes collided in Europe?, one containing children, and the other simply a cargo plane, that the international community decided that TCAS would always have the final say in a potential collision situation. One plane followed TCAS, while the other followed ATC.
Something we could learn by this is that you should know, even generally, how your systems and alerts work. Even before it was standardized (listening to TCAS first), knowing how TCAS works would help you make an informed decision (which may conflict with ATC) since at the end of it all, the pilot has control of the aircraft.
The air traffic controller should have had his name changed and gone into hiding. Noone wanted this to happen but people tend to use anger & blame when dealing with grief. So tragic.😢
Love this channel!🎉 I don’t mind watching reruns, it’s good there aren’t new plane crashes! 👍 these crashes has helped prevent future ones (for the most part).
I will never understand why those Russian pilots didn't say, "But TCAS is telling us to climb!" Then Nielsen would've known that TCAS was telling the other pilots to descend. Why did they muddle through without expressing their concern and confusion to ATC? I know it's easy to armchair quarterback, but this seems so obvious. In any event, the people truly responsible for this tragedy are the management at ATC. They NEVER should have arranged for critical equipment to be shut down without ensuring extra personnel would be on duty that night to handle any issues.
Because this was not the procedure? People do what they are trained to do under stress but everyone is smart in their armchair (especially when there are some Russians to blame).
I feel so sorry for the families who had loved ones on the aircraft… it is just so sad for them… I hope whoever reads this will be with your loved ones…
This accident symbolizes why it's always important to do everything humanly possible to prevent mid-air collisions, including listening to TCAS and constant live updates for all air traffic. RIP and condolences to the dead and affected forever.
The issue between air traffic controllers and TCAS had already been exposed via the near collision involving the 2 Japanese planes. It's the authorities who had FAILED to see a clear communication issue and did nothing to clarify WHICH instruction should be followed. This is where the problem originated, by well paid authorities sitting on their hands. I have been a safety officer in an entirely different field, and I became aware of the 'brick walls' encountered at company and controlling authority level when safety requires changes. Too lazy, too arrogant and too self important to be concerned with a 'possible' safety issue raised from those below their lofty pay scale. I resigned my position simply because of these pigheaded attitudes.
There were five pilots in the cockpit on Qantas 32 when engine 2 exploded after take off from Singapore. The two check captains knew the captain in the left seat was in charge and the five of them worked and resourced together to bring 😊 the crippled A 380 back to Singapore with all on board safe and sound. This accident in 2002 certainly brought following TCAS over ATC to the fore but like most accidents it was a chapter of faults starting with the wrong airport. However Sky Guide to me should never have had Peter working alone with all the maintenance going on around him and his colleague on an extended break. I still don’t understand why the two planes were at the same altitude in the first place, I thought they had corridors in the sky where depending on which direction you were going you had to be at a specific altitude. If anyone can explain this over sight to me I’d be interested to read it. This happened 22 years ago. I hope the families have found some peace.
@Soffity sticking to your final topic (why both were at the same altitude) you need to understand Flight Levels: Flight Level 260 equals 26000 ft at standard atmospheric pressure (1013 hPa or 29.92 inHg), so Flight Level 320 equals 32000 ft and so on. All aircraft en-route set their altimeter to standard atmospheric pressure so all aircraft get identical altitude indication on their instruments. The next important rule is the semi-circular rule: flying west (Track 180-359 degrees) you need to keep an even Flight Level (260, 280, 300, …). Both aircraft were heading west and therefore, according to the semi-circular rule, had to choose an even Flight Level. Now depending on wind and for fuel efficiency reasons both crews chose FL360 for their journey (coincidentally) and unfortunately arrived at the crossing of their paths simultaneously, that happens more often than you might think but that’s why there are systems like TCAS for avoiding mid-air conflicts (before TCAS there only were the ATCs instructions, which worked very well nonetheless). I hope this helps you understand why both were allowed to fly the same altitude.
Why didn't the controller call back the other controller who was on a break as soon as the workload picked expectantly and surely when the maintenance people requested to remove from service several critical systems???
not only was he insanely busy, the other guy was prob outside not near a phone. Also quite experienced so maybe he thought he could handle it. the vid said he was unaware that smthg needed wasn't working properly
So Sad 😢 if the travel agency didn't bumble the first jet and caused the children to miss it, they would all probably still be alive.. so sad I can only imagine the person responsible for that mistake feels a tremendous amount of guilt 😢💔
The controller wasn't put in the best conditions for this. Even so, he felt bad enough. The only good that came of this, as with all disasters, is the updated safety regulations that are SUPPOSE to be followed, but we know companies will find loopholes and shortcuts.
You mean the company responsible for this. Skyguide put one controller in charge of two radars, then removed most of the tools he needed to control air traffic, then gave him a coin to flip to decide on a last minute emergency. That collision is Skyguide's fault, and the death of those children is the end result of a weird string of random events (travel agency made them miss their flight, etc.)
So sad! I know Peter Nielsen shouldn't have died either, but if losing one’s entire family isn’t enough to drive a person insane, I don’t know what is. This really was mostly on Sky Guide management, and the Russian crew for not obeying their TCAS. It doesn’t matter how urgent or dispassionate a voice is: listen to the tech that's in the air with you.
@@ShadowCatGold2006 the manual of TU-154 tells that TCAS's commands must be considered recommended, while ATC's commands are must-to-follow. Russian pilots were just following the instructions they were trained on.
it breaks my heart every time. i just hope their families could find at least a little piece of peace in that suffering. I can't even imagine how terrible must be to lose your loved one in such situation. 😢
I've seen this episode a couple of times and I know it sounds callous but the single mother has never properly grieved her son. She is still acting like he might come back. There is so much needless death in this episode. The controller was a victim as well, as everyone seems to forget about the DHL crew. Oh ffs Kaloyev was found guilty of manslaughter but with a reduced sentence due to "diminished responsibility". He goes home and is treated like a hero. Becomes a minister. Ends up with the highest medal available to the state.
In my opinion, when the TCAS warning comes, then pilots should follow the instructions of TCAS immediately instead of being confused in order to prevent mid air collisions ........In this case, the dhl crew followed the instruction of descending but the bashkarian crew was confused and they later followed the instruction of air traffic controller that was also descending that was opposite to the instruction of TCAS but in vain
19:22 Unfortunately, not exactly. In 2022 the full CVRs for both flights leaked. The DHL's cuts out 8 seconds after impact(the engine powering it fell off) , but the Russian plane's recorder was in the cockpit and battery powered, and ran for over a minute after the impact(albeit not quite to the end). They were awake immediately after the crash(One of them says "I TOLD YOU HE WAS ON THE LEFT") and after seemingly briefly passing out 30 seconds later they wake up and someone says "I'm sorry I didn't listen" and then "I'm sorry". And there's more. On the CVR leak, if you up the volume and cut out the static near the end, you can hear two call outs of "Bravo Tango Charlie 2937". 20:12 and 20:16 . The pilots were awake and heard Peter calling for them(he was calling them specifically because they were completely gone on radar, the DHL was still visible until it crashed), and seemingly attempted to answer at one point as they groggily speak a bit, though we don't know exactly what happened in that final minute as the CVR cuts out around this time, and with the noise we can't tell if they were trying to grab the radio.
Sure, they can start with the playlist. There, they can find this exact SAME EPISODE with a DIFFERENT TITLE! So stop complaining about why other "BRATS" you call them complaining about reuploads. Keep scrolling if you don't like it. Simple as that.
This reupload video episode is way better than before and pretty hard to watch😢. This is also one of the most tragic aviation accidents that i have ever learn. That controller was not really guilty for the accident.
Peter was murdered for something he wasn’t even responsible for. He tried to get help and had poor functioning equipment and tried to do everything he could . The coworker that took a long break should be to blame
More reuploads. I guess UA-cam don't want to put in new episodes or new seasons in. Here's a thought. If you're wondering why people are complaining about reuploads, go to the playlist. You'd be shocked by how many times these episodes get played over and over with a different or misleading titles.
My late uncle was a private pilot. Anytime that he had passengers, they did not get to just sit back and enjoy the ride. He would have them be his additional eyes in the sky to watch for other air traffic to avoid the possibility of things just like this from happening.
The list of problems in this case is all but summed in one word: AVOIDABLE. Every issues can be solved or should've been solved BEFORE the Uberlingen disaster.
If its not written policy someplace (BEFORE the accident) that you HAVE to obey TCAS over ATC, then no, it was not an "error" for the Russian crew to obey ATC over TCAS and given Russian (and worse - Soviet) culture it was very predictable what would happen. I can understand nobody having thought of it beforehand. But after the Japan incident, it should have been obvious. All these overlapping governmental agencies want control of everything they can get their hands on, this would have been one place where ICAO actually SHOULD have taken the initiative and issued a policy. One month would have been a reasonable time period. 2 years is a joke, make them give their budget back, fire everyone and replace them with workers, instead of bureaucrats.
Did the outgoing shift not brief the incoming shift that capabilities were drastically reduced? What do they do at shift change, just high five at the door?
Having one guy control traffic on two different screens and have to roll back and forth is insane. And to not have ANY form of telephone isnt a lot better.
Decisions made by those who don't do the actual work. They are called "Managers".
The moment the work crew informed him they were going to be working on the radar so it wouldn't be as effective, he should have had someone call the other controller back in. One controller handling 2 screens that far apart is bad enough when everything is working at optimal efficiency.
I agree. They set him up for failure. Being an air traffic controller is stressful enough without having all these other obstacles put in their way.
The traffic controller who took the "Lengthy" break should have been paged for him to return to his workplace the moment it got busier!
So, a little detail that very few people are aware of here. Back in 1980, McCarren Airport (Las Vegas International Airport, as some of us sometimes call it, as we refuse to refer to it by the name we outright refused on the ballot, and was overwhelmingly refused, but was forced anyway) had a problem where you had ATC's who were responsible for more than one screen. It was a miracle that very few accidents occurred, but someone eventually blew the whistle and it resulted in major changes (oh and the person who did that disappeared)
It seems to me that the Sky Guide management should be held criminally liable. The actual controller was just another victim.
Alain Rossier is to blame.
@@revjohnlee it's the two maintenance guys who came in n started deactivating key systems including the phones. They are the real murderers !!
it's the two maintenance guys who came in n started deactivating key systems including the phones. They are the real murderers !!
@@musiclove4887Doubt. The maintenance guys were just there to do their jobs. It was not the person or people but rather the entire agency of Sky Guide is to blame for allowing a practice that increases the risk of a disaster to propogate in the company. All they had to do was be strict with the break periods for the ATC. 1 hour is 1 hour. No negotiations of "Well, it's not that busy so we can havelonger breaks." I won't buy that reasoning. 1 hour is 1 hour, whether it is a busy day or a day where there is no planes flying around.
The actors’ resemblance to the pilots is remarkable
The Controller was also a victim. And so many people blamed the victim instead of the real culprit: a corporation.
damn media anyway....seems like more often than not they make the problem worse 😕
And laws to follow ATC instead of TCAS in Russia?
@@josephamendolea3431ALWAYS WITH EVERYTHING
Not even the corp, it's the controllers lazy a$$ college who thought it was a good idea to take a break for 15 minutes
@@toptiergaming6900 agree... they should have still worked until the time to take a break
No radar, no phone, no TCAS. Go figure something went wrong.
At least both screens were on the same floor.
They had TCAS. The Russian pilots ignored it.
@@Josh.Davidsonhave you watched the episode?
@@MegaFieldy1 yes, which is why I commented. Did you?
Think he meant no STCA for the controller
@@Josh.DavidsonI think the law for Russian pilots was they had to listen to atc
The odds of the two planes arriving at the same spot boggles the mind.
That used to be official air traffic control policy. Until 1956.
They follow virtual lines in the sky. And they go to the same places. They inevitably cross path.
@@jfh667 Still, when you consider the different speeds and angles they were moving at. The timing that was required for both planes to converge.
They don't really though, do they.
Actually very easy...there are flight paths...and every plane use them.
I remember this one vividly. We were living in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany, about 20 miles from lake Constance at the time and that evening having a barbecue at a friends of my mums house, us kids were playing inside and when we went back out in the garden all the adults were looking at the sky, saying oh my god, it must have been an aircraft. I still remember the look of sheer horror in all their faces. Later they turned on the tv and sent us all off to bed.
We stayed at that friends house that night.
Truly heartbreaking.
I can't believe people are defending that russian father, though. I remember seeing his face on the news. No remorse, he thought he was a hero for killing that poor sky guide operator in front of his children. Disgusting human being.
bodies will get blurred by safesearch
This entire situation is beyond horrible. I feel so sorry for everyone involved. It is so sad. The victims didn't deserve it. The families didn't deserve it. The air traffic controller didn't deserve it. So many unfortunate circumstances conspired together to cause the disaster.
Yes its so so terrible
Lack of manpower in the control tower really impacts the incident the most. Human error, yes. But it was not truly his fault. Also the machine can be part of it too.
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I totaly agree and don't forget the maintenace work they did that specific day .
He should have paged for the other controller to return!
@@vortex162what was he gonna do yell or get up from his seat since the phone didn’t work?
I feel sorry for so many of those kids who lost their lives in that mid air collision. In my mind one of the worst mid air collisions in aviation history
SkyGuide Management is fully responsible for this tragedy. Sadly, it was the controller and 2 planes full of people that paid the price. RIP to all those lost.
You can rightly blame anyone you want. Federal authorities should never have allowed a controller to be by themselves. The airspace should be automatically closed.
@@MegaLokopoThe sad thing is that back then this wasn't allowed in Germany, but in Switzerland it was, so if the switch to the swiss Controller would have taken place at the border, the accident would have never occured.
It's the two maintenance guys who came in n started deactivating key systems including the phones. They are the real murderers !!
..when you compare your own problems of today with what these poor folks have suffered you realize you really ain't got no problems...
True!!!!!
I can certainly agree about my own life. Sadly things like this still happen. Corporate greed has driven some companies to consider flying passenger planes with a single pilot, something that would diminish security. And children all around the world are being trapped in conflict zones where destruction is deliberate.
This one was hard to watch. So many lives touched in this one accident.
Yes, but clearly this is one of the best produced episodes I’ve ever seen.
An amazing story!
Jesus people are sensitive.I bet worst things happen , every day, near YOU!!!!!!
@@ArviPontsa bro wtf does being sensitive have to do w this lmao
Yayyy they brought the old narrator back!!!!
I think they had different narrators depending on which country they were selling it to. Jonathan Aris is my favourite narrator too. He is just great. He has done all the Australian released ones since season 2. I think they are now up to season 22. They are so well done, interesting and frightening all at once. Greg Fieth is my favourite investigator. He now has a UA-cam channel with a couple of other retired investigators. I must have watched this one 10 times. It’s beyond tragic on so many levels. All the best to a fellow J. Aris appreciator. 🌈🦘
@@Soffity I can't even watch if someone else presents the documentary. This gentleman really feels with us. and these documentaries are monumental ; we pray, we suffer, we share victims' pain. it is very important.
That's because it's a reupload.
All of those children 😭 And Peter Nielson! He was just as much a victim as all the people on those two planes! Sky Guide should have never allowed for one controller to have to manage all of that all on his own! I hope the families can someday find peace 💔 And rest in peace to Nielson, who now will never get the chance to....
i feel honestly so bad for everyone involved in the case; the poor controller, that wasn't responsible, and got killed anyway, the captains, that were oblivious, the passengers that lost their lives and the families that had to accept everything do suddenly...
A top five episode, no doubt.
A very well constructed and educational docu and the reenactment is powerful and yet so sad. Sympathy to all the families ; I was especially struck by the man (the architect) who lost his entire family.
So many unfortunate coincidences. Kids missing the plane, maintenance repairs, phone not working, a colleague taking a break...
It wasn't entirely the controller's fault. And he who killed him was entirely wrong.
People know this, the media is at fault for creating this type situation
What a miracle that the dad found his little girl's necklace.. Poor man lost his entire family.. What a mess.. All those bright children, God help the families.. 😞
One person doing the job of two people while being responsible for the safety of hundreds of lives should not be normal.
So SkyGuide management had mysterious technicians come in to do random maintenance of which the controllers were unaware? Yet they threw Peter under the bus.
This system maintenance should have been properly coordinated to ensure all hands were on deck due to the faulty delayed system and downed phone lines. Peter is not at all to be blamed.
I think it was the media vultures that threw Peter under the bus
This is exactly why TCAS RA's *_ALWAYS_* override any and all ATC instructions until it is resolved!
Unfortunately, that didn't become the international standard until after this accident.
tbh if I were a pilot in that situation I'd prob follow ATC b/c I'd figure they could see better than me how the planes are positioned
@@cheery-hex And up until this accident most non us pilots would do the same. This accident is why there is now a standard everyone knows by heart.
@@greenpegatrix3773About a year prior 2 Japanese aircrafts nearly collided with one another when one pilot took TCAS instruction &the other didn't and the reason they avoided collision was because one pilot performed abrupt maneuvering that left 100 people injured,he managed cause it was not during the night &he could see another aircraft approaching.What caused more confusion was what ATC manual stated when emphasizing role of ATC vs TCAS:It considered TCAS as an additional aid&then different chapter of the same manual forbade maneuvers contrary to TCAS.BFU on the other hand said to resolve this conflict pilots should follow TCAS instructions even if they contrary to ATC commands.
@stephenmapeka7774 That depended on which country you were in. In America, TCAS was the priority, while in most Eastern countries, ATC always has the final say. It wasn't until two planes collided in Europe?, one containing children, and the other simply a cargo plane, that the international community decided that TCAS would always have the final say in a potential collision situation. One plane followed TCAS, while the other followed ATC.
47:14 THAT “standard practice” is pure insanity.
This is the most heartbraking reenactment 😢😢😢. So sad. No survivor. Midair.
This would be the saddest episode I've watched so far. All those children...😭😭😭
Its so sad about peters dwmise. The problem here was the sky guide managements fault to do maintenance on that busy day..
Something we could learn by this is that you should know, even generally, how your systems and alerts work. Even before it was standardized (listening to TCAS first), knowing how TCAS works would help you make an informed decision (which may conflict with ATC) since at the end of it all, the pilot has control of the aircraft.
Yea, but you should do what you are trained to do, there have been plenty of crashes that were caused by pilots thinking they know better.
The air traffic controller should have had his name changed and gone into hiding. Noone wanted this to happen but people tend to use anger & blame when dealing with grief. So tragic.😢
I’m so very sorry for the victims
Love this channel!🎉
I don’t mind watching reruns, it’s good there aren’t new plane crashes! 👍 these crashes has helped prevent future ones (for the most part).
There are lots of episodes outside of UA-cam.
I will never understand why those Russian pilots didn't say, "But TCAS is telling us to climb!" Then Nielsen would've known that TCAS was telling the other pilots to descend. Why did they muddle through without expressing their concern and confusion to ATC? I know it's easy to armchair quarterback, but this seems so obvious. In any event, the people truly responsible for this tragedy are the management at ATC. They NEVER should have arranged for critical equipment to be shut down without ensuring extra personnel would be on duty that night to handle any issues.
Because this was not the procedure? People do what they are trained to do under stress but everyone is smart in their armchair (especially when there are some Russians to blame).
they were literally cut off by ATC b/c (ATC) was dealing with another plane and couldn't respond for 23 seconds. It says so in the video
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I am just glad to know TCAS is much smarter in today's time.
The pilots were trained that the ATC's guidance takes priority over TCAS. The TCAS priority was standardized because of this incident.
I feel so sorry for the families who had loved ones on the aircraft… it is just so sad for them… I hope whoever reads this will be with your loved ones…
Think about the other guy on a break….when that much equipment isn’t working, go get him
Work unpaid for 30 minutes if you going on break has any chance to risk one persons life.
Everyone has a right to their break, its the corporations fault for not hiring enough personnel
@@MoonLight-zk3gm If my job was safety critical, I wouldn't care about my break. I'd rather not take a break than risk hundreds of people dying.
So u want him to leave his seat since the phones weren’t working got it
@@MegaLokopo right, at every moment, every day? Try then…
One of the saddest air crashes which.. which could have been avoided easily
This accident symbolizes why it's always important to do everything humanly possible to prevent mid-air collisions, including listening to TCAS and constant live updates for all air traffic. RIP and condolences to the dead and affected forever.
The issue between air traffic controllers and TCAS had already been exposed via the near collision involving the 2 Japanese planes. It's the authorities who had FAILED to see a clear communication issue and did nothing to clarify WHICH instruction should be followed. This is where the problem originated, by well paid authorities sitting on their hands. I have been a safety officer in an entirely different field, and I became aware of the 'brick walls' encountered at company and controlling authority level when safety requires changes. Too lazy, too arrogant and too self important to be concerned with a 'possible' safety issue raised from those below their lofty pay scale. I resigned my position simply because of these pigheaded attitudes.
Deeply touched because it was not fiction. R.I. P.
Watching videos like this will make you think twice about flying again
44:41 Peter did not deserved to die
How wrong was it to say Russian pilots ignored ATC...that was unforgivable how the media created a terrible mess and increased anguish.
"If you can blame the Russians - do it". The unchanged motto of western journalism and historiography since the Cold War
@@dimbaszpersecution complex
Who said they ignored ATC? They ignored TCAS, but again this was just a tragic accident mainly caused by Skyguide management.
@@dimbaszIt's the same in Russia,they blame the West for everything.😅
There were five pilots in the cockpit on Qantas 32 when engine 2 exploded after take off from Singapore. The two check captains knew the captain in the left seat was in charge and the five of them worked and resourced together to bring 😊 the crippled A 380 back to Singapore with all on board safe and sound.
This accident in 2002 certainly brought following TCAS over ATC to the fore but like most accidents it was a chapter of faults starting with the wrong airport. However Sky Guide to me should never have had Peter working alone with all the maintenance going on around him and his colleague on an extended break.
I still don’t understand why the two planes were at the same altitude in the first place, I thought they had corridors in the sky where depending on which direction you were going you had to be at a specific altitude. If anyone can explain this over sight to me I’d be interested to read it. This happened 22 years ago. I hope the families have found some peace.
@Soffity sticking to your final topic (why both were at the same altitude) you need to understand Flight Levels: Flight Level 260 equals 26000 ft at standard atmospheric pressure (1013 hPa or 29.92 inHg), so Flight Level 320 equals 32000 ft and so on. All aircraft en-route set their altimeter to standard atmospheric pressure so all aircraft get identical altitude indication on their instruments.
The next important rule is the semi-circular rule: flying west (Track 180-359 degrees) you need to keep an even Flight Level (260, 280, 300, …). Both aircraft were heading west and therefore, according to the semi-circular rule, had to choose an even Flight Level. Now depending on wind and for fuel efficiency reasons both crews chose FL360 for their journey (coincidentally) and unfortunately arrived at the crossing of their paths simultaneously, that happens more often than you might think but that’s why there are systems like TCAS for avoiding mid-air conflicts (before TCAS there only were the ATCs instructions, which worked very well nonetheless).
I hope this helps you understand why both were allowed to fly the same altitude.
8:28 Wow, that kid was a really smart artist
was
19:04 They're collided in midair.
i wish all these families find peace and strength.
Why didn't the controller call back the other controller who was on a break as soon as the workload picked expectantly and surely when the maintenance people requested to remove from service several critical systems???
not only was he insanely busy, the other guy was prob outside not near a phone. Also quite experienced so maybe he thought he could handle it. the vid said he was unaware that smthg needed wasn't working properly
@@cheery-hex not to mention the maintenance crew caused the phones to crap out altogether
You might have missed it but they did mention he did try to pass off some planes to another air traffic controller. The phones weren’t working
It's the corporations fault for not hiring enough personnel, people have a right to their break at any job
So Sad 😢 if the travel agency didn't bumble the first jet and caused the children to miss it, they would all probably still be alive.. so sad I can only imagine the person responsible for that mistake feels a tremendous amount of guilt 😢💔
The controller wasn't put in the best conditions for this. Even so, he felt bad enough. The only good that came of this, as with all disasters, is the updated safety regulations that are SUPPOSE to be followed, but we know companies will find loopholes and shortcuts.
I hate the travel agency
You mean the company responsible for this. Skyguide put one controller in charge of two radars, then removed most of the tools he needed to control air traffic, then gave him a coin to flip to decide on a last minute emergency. That collision is Skyguide's fault, and the death of those children is the end result of a weird string of random events (travel agency made them miss their flight, etc.)
I am amazed, how closely similar looking those actors are to those people ..especially those pilots
Such a haunting tragedy!
2 Planes, 1 Disaster..... what a title
So sad! I know Peter Nielsen shouldn't have died either, but if losing one’s entire family isn’t enough to drive a person insane, I don’t know what is. This really was mostly on Sky Guide management, and the Russian crew for not obeying their TCAS. It doesn’t matter how urgent or dispassionate a voice is: listen to the tech that's in the air with you.
He doesn’t care he made a new family 😂
@@ShadowCatGold2006 the manual of TU-154 tells that TCAS's commands must be considered recommended, while ATC's commands are must-to-follow. Russian pilots were just following the instructions they were trained on.
This episode script of crash is a probably the best one in the series. Acting is soo good.
Its insane that anywhere might be a place where thousands died even where your standing at might be where millions died😔
it breaks my heart every time. i just hope their families could find at least a little piece of peace in that suffering. I can't even imagine how terrible must be to lose your loved one in such situation. 😢
I've seen this episode a couple of times and I know it sounds callous but the single mother has never properly grieved her son. She is still acting like he might come back. There is so much needless death in this episode. The controller was a victim as well, as everyone seems to forget about the DHL crew.
Oh ffs Kaloyev was found guilty of manslaughter but with a reduced sentence due to "diminished responsibility". He goes home and is treated like a hero. Becomes a minister. Ends up with the highest medal available to the state.
Saddest episode so far.
In my opinion, when the TCAS warning comes, then pilots should follow the instructions of TCAS immediately instead of being confused in order to prevent mid air collisions ........In this case, the dhl crew followed the instruction of descending but the bashkarian crew was confused and they later followed the instruction of air traffic controller that was also descending that was opposite to the instruction of TCAS but in vain
19:22 Unfortunately, not exactly.
In 2022 the full CVRs for both flights leaked. The DHL's cuts out 8 seconds after impact(the engine powering it fell off) , but the Russian plane's recorder was in the cockpit and battery powered, and ran for over a minute after the impact(albeit not quite to the end). They were awake immediately after the crash(One of them says "I TOLD YOU HE WAS ON THE LEFT") and after seemingly briefly passing out 30 seconds later they wake up and someone says "I'm sorry I didn't listen" and then "I'm sorry". And there's more. On the CVR leak, if you up the volume and cut out the static near the end, you can hear two call outs of "Bravo Tango Charlie 2937".
20:12 and 20:16 . The pilots were awake and heard Peter calling for them(he was calling them specifically because they were completely gone on radar, the DHL was still visible until it crashed), and seemingly attempted to answer at one point as they groggily speak a bit, though we don't know exactly what happened in that final minute as the CVR cuts out around this time, and with the noise we can't tell if they were trying to grab the radio.
Waiting for all the brats who will complain they've seen this already. Watch something else then. Simple as that.👊
There seem to be rerunning season 1. At least they made it available internationally this time.
Sure, they can start with the playlist. There, they can find this exact SAME EPISODE with a DIFFERENT TITLE! So stop complaining about why other "BRATS" you call them complaining about reuploads. Keep scrolling if you don't like it. Simple as that.
@@katrinarucker2326 unsubscribe from the channel if it upsets you that much.
@@katrinarucker2326you should take your own advice. ✌🏻
My grandfather used to fly a TU-154 in the Soviet days.
The king of put up without pushing down
What a horrible tragedy for everyone involved, directly or indirectly as in the area where the victims and wreckage came down.
Rip to the passengers and pilots
What air traffic controller is so casual in handling
It's sad story over all all those kids Robbed of a bright future
This was touching. Not only because of children
This reupload video episode is way better than before and pretty hard to watch😢. This is also one of the most tragic aviation accidents that i have ever learn. That controller was not really guilty for the accident.
Pilots need to proceed with extreme caution..!
Idk why I come back, it’s all reuplods
Aviation addiction?
I don't even know it's just a morbid thing to watch ig
..hope....and one maybe ya missed is on....^^
@@jlthomas531I think I read the tone wrong, but probably
@@gregmiller9710yeah
Peter was murdered for something he wasn’t even responsible for. He tried to get help and had poor functioning equipment and tried to do everything he could . The coworker that took a long break should be to blame
At least one parent did not accept the apology.
He is not important than anyone else who lost family also he remarried lol
The families should be compensated by the SkyGuide
VERY GOOD
RIP those who have died a tragic crash
Rest in peace 😢😢
The child's last painting has the same colors as German flag, was he imagining his country of death?? ☠️ 💀😮...
Sky guide company bears the most culpability. Peter only fault is agreeing to support the other atc controller take a break under the circumstances
Skyguide had only one job, guide the skies
It's easy to dive than to climb. The response is instantaneous. When in cross collision situation, prefer sudden dive if you're at higher altitude..
It’s so gross how often they have the airline or ATC PR ppl or lawyers interviewed.
There is a movie based on this called Aftermath with Arnold schwarzenegger
More reuploads. I guess UA-cam don't want to put in new episodes or new seasons in. Here's a thought. If you're wondering why people are complaining about reuploads, go to the playlist. You'd be shocked by how many times these episodes get played over and over with a different or misleading titles.
What was that 10 O'clock 2 o'clock error by the controller?
I can’t watch this video so sad
me:just some random kids walking around 3:07-3:08 he:no
If there aren't enough controllers, the airspace should be automatically closed.
2 planes colliding still makes my brain feel wiggly
My late uncle was a private pilot. Anytime that he had passengers, they did not get to just sit back and enjoy the ride. He would have them be his additional eyes in the sky to watch for other air traffic to avoid the possibility of things just like this from happening.
Your uncle is a smart guy making use of all available information he can get. Bless him!
That's common sense not to leave one man monitoring more than one screen that is common sense.
The list of problems in this case is all but summed in one word: AVOIDABLE.
Every issues can be solved or should've been solved BEFORE the Uberlingen disaster.
If its not written policy someplace (BEFORE the accident) that you HAVE to obey TCAS over ATC, then no, it was not an "error" for the Russian crew to obey ATC over TCAS and given Russian (and worse - Soviet) culture it was very predictable what would happen.
I can understand nobody having thought of it beforehand. But after the Japan incident, it should have been obvious. All these overlapping governmental agencies want control of everything they can get their hands on, this would have been one place where ICAO actually SHOULD have taken the initiative and issued a policy. One month would have been a reasonable time period. 2 years is a joke, make them give their budget back, fire everyone and replace them with workers, instead of bureaucrats.
To think that if the agency didn't mess up and they got on the right plane, that maybe they could've lived... Man
Moral of the story, listen to your instruments, and not your stressed out ATC. This should have never happened. These poor people. It is so sad.
Did the outgoing shift not brief the incoming shift that capabilities were drastically reduced? What do they do at shift change, just high five at the door?
Because it happened after they changed shifts. Watch the video again.
Admit it, you searched this after seeing the 1956 Grand Canyon collision episode
😢a chain of fatalities😢
Why are these videos like 1990’s PBS documentaries.
😂🤣😂 bc they ARE 🤦🏻♀️
@@differenttakethanmost 😂
Это 2002й😊
Decided to take a....."lengthy" break.
Seems legit
Rip Peter