There's a few news articles about the crash and cause but nothing about the mechanics. You would hope he faced some consequences but I can't find anything online.
@@philfrizzell4571 if you’re referring to the weight limit on checked baggage, that’s incorrect. Most companies allow a checked bag up to 40-50lbs, depending on the airline. This is to allow the baggage handlers to do their jobs without excess strain and fatigue. You can check multiple 40lb bags, especially on larger planes such as a 737 or an A320, since you’ll rarely ever come close to the maximum payload capacity. If they reach or exceed that limit, they’ll take enough checked bags to bring the flight to within the payload limits off and put them on another flight heading to that destination, and you’ll be made aware of it.
@@philfrizzell4571 I'm always paranoid about weight which seems to be a major factor here. I ask my two pilots keep a scale for people and a separate scale for luggage by each of planes/jets. One of my pilots always says "If you are not comfortable getting on a scale, I'm not comfortable flying you". I (really the pilots) won't take more than 3 friends on any of the single engine planes. Actually we don't even like to take more than 6 people on our Falcon 2000 and it should (technicall) be fine with 10 plus luggage. Something I didn't realize that one of our pilots told me is that even if you are within the weight limits, flying close to the weight limit changes almost everything... From handling to performance to stress on an aircraft. And also "a nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once". Also, if you think women (especially the onlyfans 'models' and adult film stars on my flights) lie about their weight, just ask them what their luggage weighs and then put it on the scale.
Just wondering...why do co pilots figuring weight not use a calculator?Human beings figuring numbers in their head always at risk to calculate in error. Blows my mind to see him adding numbers in his head.
I used a calculator in school even in the 70s. That was almost 50 years ago! Calculating weight for a safe flight is a lot more important than school works.
The weight is indicated in charts. Fuel weight, human weight, aircraft weight, cargo weight etc. The most problematic is the human weight because humans have massively gained weight, so a single passenger doesn’t weight what is estimated by the FAA charts. Many times FAA had to update the estimated weight of a passenger.
I'm always paranoid about weight which seems to be a major factor here. I ask my two pilots keep a scale for people and a separate scale for luggage by each of planes/jets. One of my pilots always says "If you are not comfortable getting on a scale, I'm not comfortable flying you". I (really the pilots) won't take more than 3 friends on any of the single engine planes. Actually we don't even like to take more than 6 people on our Falcon 2000 and it should (technicall) be fine with 10 plus luggage. Something I didn't realize that one of our pilots told me is that even if you are within the weight limits, flying close to the weight limit changes almost everything... From handling to performance to stress on an aircraft. And also "a nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once". Also, if you think women (especially the onlyfans 'models' and adult film stars on my flights) lie about their weight, just ask them what their luggage weighs and then put it on the scale.
i've never flown as i'm scared to death of heights but also.....watching these types of re-enactments have also made me realize there's waaaaaay to many people YOU have to have absolute and total faith in. from design persons to baggage handlers, and allllll in between.....there's just too many people to ASSume are doing the job properly but that's jus' me.....
Yep. An apprentice of mine used to work as a baggage handler at the major airport in my area. The stories he told me only confirmed that my decision to never set foot on an airplane was the right one.
But that’s most things other drivers, doctors etc. but these crashes happen years apart and fix relatively quickly by a giant industry standard. Old saying is safety is written in blood so every crash that happens that same incident is less likely to happen
The take off weight has to be the same aft of the center of gravity as a head of it. It can shift! Especially when you hit wake from a larger jet throwing everything around. I'd have never went until the wake settled. It's common sense.
And to think that airlines want to put MORE and SMALLER seats on airplanes. HA! What about the day when a passenger can’t fit into the bathroom and ends up having their own “accident” inside the cabin?
The baggage handlers are trusted to load baggage properly especially on the smaller commuter flights they should also note any significant differences in baggage weight. The airplane was also apparently tail heavy. The baggage should be evenly distributed across the storage compartment or have the heaviest closest to the wings. It's nice to have close to even weight in front and behind the wings. That is not always possible that is why they have HORSEPOWER.
The reason they were so lax about weight distribution is it normally not an issue. you should note that there hasn't been a crash caused solely by bad weight distribution, it may cause some undesirable flight characteristics, but when the plane is normally functioning it can compensate for a weight imbalance.
because it was both. the plane was probably bound to have an accident regardless if the elevator issue continued to go unnoticed, but it was specifically the weight that triggered the domino effect here. had the weight not been miscalculated, this flight probably wouldn't have gone down when it did.
@@sonnyburnett8725 it’s both. People had been getting heavier but the FAA stuck to previous guidelines and weights. So calculations were off. And yes the mechanic supervisor was lazy, but as well aircraft maintenance is cut throat. “When the plane isn’t in the air, it’s not making money”
Gee, maybe the airline's should fire maintenance and ramp agents and have the pilots do all their work too. The delays would only be around 2 hours or so. You would miss check-in time or a business meeting, maybe even your return flight but hey what's time anyway?
They want click bait. They don't want us to watch new episodes. There are lots of new episodes that are not in the playlist. Just the ones we've seen before. It's best to go to Paramount Plus if you want to see a new episode from a new season of Mayday.
Time prevents that. Scheduling is everything to an airline's profit which enables an airline to stay in business. Ramp Agents are responsible for the luggage. Pilots have preflight checks that are important.
People get upset at re-uploads but my perspective is I’m so happy we don’t have any new crashes to reenact💕
@@anaisjbeauty excellent point
@@lisaborsella5412I do like the watch these videos.. only if I’m selfish and mad Im watching reruns
Amen
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I don't even Mind the Reruns honestly because it is a way to keep the memory alive of all the people who have died in these accidents
Was the lazy boss mechanic who inspected himself fired? He should have gone to prison.
There's a few news articles about the crash and cause but nothing about the mechanics. You would hope he faced some consequences but I can't find anything online.
That's why they have limits of baggage you can bring now
@@philfrizzell4571 if you’re referring to the weight limit on checked baggage, that’s incorrect. Most companies allow a checked bag up to 40-50lbs, depending on the airline. This is to allow the baggage handlers to do their jobs without excess strain and fatigue. You can check multiple 40lb bags, especially on larger planes such as a 737 or an A320, since you’ll rarely ever come close to the maximum payload capacity. If they reach or exceed that limit, they’ll take enough checked bags to bring the flight to within the payload limits off and put them on another flight heading to that destination, and you’ll be made aware of it.
@@philfrizzell4571 I'm always paranoid about weight which seems to be a major factor here. I ask my two pilots keep a scale for people and a separate scale for luggage by each of planes/jets.
One of my pilots always says "If you are not comfortable getting on a scale, I'm not comfortable flying you". I (really the pilots) won't take more than 3 friends on any of the single engine planes. Actually we don't even like to take more than 6 people on our Falcon 2000 and it should (technicall) be fine with 10 plus luggage. Something I didn't realize that one of our pilots told me is that even if you are within the weight limits, flying close to the weight limit changes almost everything... From handling to performance to stress on an aircraft. And also "a nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once".
Also, if you think women (especially the onlyfans 'models' and adult film stars on my flights) lie about their weight, just ask them what their luggage weighs and then put it on the scale.
Just wondering...why do co pilots figuring weight not use a calculator?Human beings figuring numbers in their head always at risk to calculate in error. Blows my mind to see him adding numbers in his head.
I used a calculator in school even in the 70s. That was almost 50 years ago! Calculating weight for a safe flight is a lot more important than school works.
The weight is indicated in charts. Fuel weight, human weight, aircraft weight, cargo weight etc.
The most problematic is the human weight because humans have massively gained weight, so a single passenger doesn’t weight what is estimated by the FAA charts. Many times FAA had to update the estimated weight of a passenger.
I'm always paranoid about weight which seems to be a major factor here. I ask my two pilots keep a scale for people and a separate scale for luggage by each of planes/jets.
One of my pilots always says "If you are not comfortable getting on a scale, I'm not comfortable flying you". I (really the pilots) won't take more than 3 friends on any of the single engine planes. Actually we don't even like to take more than 6 people on our Falcon 2000 and it should (technicall) be fine with 10 plus luggage. Something I didn't realize that one of our pilots told me is that even if you are within the weight limits, flying close to the weight limit changes almost everything... From handling to performance to stress on an aircraft. And also "a nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once".
Also, if you think women (especially the onlyfans 'models' and adult film stars on my flights) lie about their weight, just ask them what their luggage weighs and then put it on the scale.
i've never flown as i'm scared to death of heights but also.....watching these types of re-enactments have also made me realize there's waaaaaay to many people YOU have to have absolute and total faith in. from design persons to baggage handlers, and allllll in between.....there's just too many people to ASSume are doing the job properly but that's jus' me.....
Yep. An apprentice of mine used to work as a baggage handler at the major airport in my area. The stories he told me only confirmed that my decision to never set foot on an airplane was the right one.
!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
But that’s most things other drivers, doctors etc. but these crashes happen years apart and fix relatively quickly by a giant industry standard. Old saying is safety is written in blood so every crash that happens that same incident is less likely to happen
The take off weight has to be the same aft of the center of gravity as a head of it. It can shift! Especially when you hit wake from a larger jet throwing everything around. I'd have never went until the wake settled. It's common sense.
Anyhow, from now on I'll check the flight controls to see if they are consistent with my position indicators
Greenville-Spartanburg is in SC, not NC. How did that get past production.
Blame it on the Brit AI voice. Sounds good to me 🤣
@@bman5333The thing is, it's not AI. The narrators name is Jonathan Aris.
@@bman5333 bro, what is wrong with you?
Bman
!!! 🤣🤣🤣. Everyone shut up
I guess pilots do more than just fly a plane
And to think that airlines want to put MORE and SMALLER seats on airplanes. HA! What about the day when a passenger can’t fit into the bathroom and ends up having their own “accident” inside the cabin?
Risk-profit tradeoff just like any other market 🤷🏿♂️🤑☠️
They could not do pre fight but say they did
I have never seen this one
2008.
I am unclear about what they were saying about the baggage-weight distribution on this flight. Was it too far to the rear, and if so, why?
The baggage handlers are trusted to load baggage properly especially on the smaller commuter flights they should also note any significant differences in baggage weight. The airplane was also apparently tail heavy. The baggage should be evenly distributed across the storage compartment or have the heaviest closest to the wings. It's nice to have close to even weight in front and behind the wings. That is not always possible that is why they have HORSEPOWER.
The reason they were so lax about weight distribution is it normally not an issue. you should note that there hasn't been a crash caused solely by bad weight distribution, it may cause some undesirable flight characteristics, but when the plane is normally functioning it can compensate for a weight imbalance.
You’ve got to distribute the weight evenly, but if it’s too far to one side, it would struggle to pull to the other side or wouldn’t at all.
those extra midnight snacks killed 😅
Why are people calling this a weight issue when it was a maintenance mistake that caused the accident.
because it was both. the plane was probably bound to have an accident regardless if the elevator issue continued to go unnoticed, but it was specifically the weight that triggered the domino effect here. had the weight not been miscalculated, this flight probably wouldn't have gone down when it did.
@@sonnyburnett8725 it’s both. People had been getting heavier but the FAA stuck to previous guidelines and weights. So calculations were off. And yes the mechanic supervisor was lazy, but as well aircraft maintenance is cut throat. “When the plane isn’t in the air, it’s not making money”
Pilot should have checked luggage her self not just assuming and taking word of baggage handlers. That's only guessing
How could the pilots check it? What they need(ed) to do is weigh the baggage, not use averages, especially on shuttle craft like this.
@@PaulWhitcomb-ty6md i dont think it was 1 to 1 recreated but even with the averages they wrote down they did the math wrong
Gee, maybe the airline's should fire maintenance and ramp agents and have the pilots do all their work too. The delays would only be around 2 hours or so. You would miss check-in time or a business meeting, maybe even your return flight but hey what's time anyway?
Another re-load
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They want click bait. They don't want us to watch new episodes. There are lots of new episodes that are not in the playlist. Just the ones we've seen before. It's best to go to Paramount Plus if you want to see a new episode from a new season of Mayday.
dumb az pilots should had went outside to watch and look at the luggage's while it was being loaded and had them each weighed outside. No common sense
Time prevents that. Scheduling is everything to an airline's profit which enables an airline to stay in business.
Ramp Agents are responsible for the luggage. Pilots have preflight checks that are important.
LOL
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