Making a Flat White and Café Latte

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  • @adyp81
    @adyp81 6 років тому +15

    I’ve been making lattes for years at home and always thought the difference between a latte and a flat white apart from the milk was the latte was made with espresso and flat white was ristretto. Im going to my machine now and pulling a ristretto latte. Thanks guys, always learning and appreciating

  • @tmkok
    @tmkok 4 роки тому +11

    Thanks! I know the difference now.
    If you prefer a cup -> flat white
    If you prefer a glasses -> latte

    • @varunprasadathi1161
      @varunprasadathi1161 3 роки тому

      that's not the main difference. a flatwhite is bound to be more sharp and have more coffee-flavor, because there's lesser foam than in a latte. a latte usually has more milk than a flat white as well.

  • @AE1OU
    @AE1OU 5 років тому +53

    I'm confused. Both have the same measurements of coffee and milk and the only difference that differentiate flat white and latte are the cups?

    • @MrTwins95
      @MrTwins95 5 років тому +2

      ΔΘΛΞΠΣΦΨΩ well the cup for the latte is 0.8 oz bigger. I think that’s the only difference. Would be a bit more milk.

    • @TaLeBogan710
      @TaLeBogan710 5 років тому +11

      Latte has 1 espresso shot and flat white has a double ristretto shots in it. Less water and stronger coffee flavour is the difference.

    • @MichelleFriesen7
      @MichelleFriesen7 5 років тому +11

      The texture of the milk is different. Flat whites have less froth than a latte, and a cappuccino would have the most froth. While maintaining the silkiness of the milk and small uniform bubbles.

    • @therealchickentender
      @therealchickentender 5 років тому +9

      it's almost like you didn't watch the video.

    • @gstanchev420
      @gstanchev420 4 роки тому

      @@MrTwins95 nope. They said 6,5 oz for the Flat White and 6,8 oz for the Latte so 0,3 oz diference ;)

  • @breadman5048
    @breadman5048 3 роки тому

    This is the best video on flat white I’ve ever seen

  • @mmwrangler
    @mmwrangler 3 роки тому

    Excellent explanation 👍👍 .

  • @DrJ2368
    @DrJ2368 6 років тому +29

    How do you pour differently for flat white vs latte? To me, the milk looks the same texture and the same amount of stretching. If the flat white glass was transparent, would you expect less of a layer instead if the one inch found on a latte? If so, what are the technical differences to achieve this pour?
    Glass size is fairly negligible between the two - is the only difference the foam thickness? Thanks for clarifying.

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому +16

      I would suggest that the foam created in steaming is the same however the difference in the cup is the foam on the flat white is spread out over a larger plane and the latte foam is concentrated at the top of the cylinder like glass. I should of mentioned this in the video. Essentially this is what is dictating the flavour experience. Sipping your coffee through thin layered or thicker layered foam :)

    • @rangithompson453
      @rangithompson453 5 років тому +1

      @Baabak Saghafian No, both would not have been the same. As with a standard flat white cup, there is a larger surface area for the foam to be distributed, hense thinner than a latte in the end, as typically latte glasses have a smaller surface area.

  • @gen1969try
    @gen1969try 5 років тому +7

    Very interesting!! Please teach this to the Americans. They have no idea. I am American myself but thank God I live in Australia.

    • @therealchickentender
      @therealchickentender 5 років тому +2

      Indeed. I never cared for lattes, but after living in NZ for 2 years the flat white became my everyday coffee. The only baristas in cafes I've found in American since returning are Ozzie or Kiwis or a couple others in those same cafes that were taught by an ozzie or kiwi. The Starbucks "flat white" is anything but (not that any Starbucks coffee resembles good). I've only had a handful of proper flat whites in the states in the 8 years I've been back, but at the very least it seems to be being talked about at least.

    • @rielledoucette9414
      @rielledoucette9414 4 роки тому

      therealchickentender starbucks drinks don’t even come close to their actual namesake! if you want a proper espresso drink i recommend seeking out a local cafe, all of the ones in my area stay true to real coffee. i live in canada and work at a coffee shop so i’m not sure if that makes me biased but oh well :)

  • @nadav6782
    @nadav6782 4 роки тому +9

    I’m a new barista and I’ve been taught that a latte has little to no foam... and every video I see is different. I don't know what to believe 😩

    • @jacobs2180
      @jacobs2180 3 роки тому +1

      Flat whites have little to no foam, its good if they do have a little bit but normally they’re served with no foam. Latte’s have a little bit of foam but not as much as a cappuccino.

    • @antoniakeane3480
      @antoniakeane3480 2 роки тому

      Cappuccino are the only coffees that have foam, these videos are just confusing

  • @813rabbit
    @813rabbit 3 роки тому

    I worked in a local coffee shop in Austria NT, I have been taught the regular flat white is one shot and Large is 2 shots!
    If like you said~Regular is 2 shots, so Large need to 3 shots? 🤔
    but customers order Large for stronger coffee and actually taste more weak right? cause same double shots but add more milk in for the Large size !
    I am so confused

  • @chubu09
    @chubu09 5 років тому

    Tnx for this video. It helps me so much. I am a barista at SB but we don't have a flat white in our menu here in Japan and I always wonder what is the differences between flat white and latte. Coz I encountered so many foreign customer in out store and they always request for flat white.
    Tnx for this.

  • @jagatsvlog5006
    @jagatsvlog5006 6 років тому +5

    My coffee support told me to use double espresso for the small size coffee drink.

  • @OperaLover84
    @OperaLover84 6 років тому +17

    I'm so confused! It seems like the only difference is a 6.5oz cup vs. a 6.8 oz cup. You don't explain any other major differences. You also steam the milk the same and pour it similarly, but then imply that the foam is more incorporated in the flat white and more "on the top" with a latte. What's the real difference...?

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому +4

      The vessel it is served in is the real difference. It makes the experience difference. Much like different wine glasses for different wines.

    • @shalshammari9826
      @shalshammari9826 6 років тому

      The different between latte an flat white is , flat white dabble espresso and a 100ml of milk , so latte is single espresso and milk is around 120 ml so the different test is flat white more of coffee testing , that’s my information and maybe I’m wrong but that’s what i do and what I know

    • @MasterPiece-rg7ed
      @MasterPiece-rg7ed 5 років тому +1

      So the difference is that latte has more milk and flat white has same amount of espresso and milk.
      Cappuccino has more foam on the top.
      Am i correct?

    • @Visualmetal
      @Visualmetal 5 років тому

      @@shalshammari9826 u can get the flat white with a single shot. The difference is the milk, latte has more milk. He said the point of a flat white is to taste more espresso and with latte the milk gets more attention

    • @gregfawcett116
      @gregfawcett116 3 роки тому

      The deference's are…flat white is just that flat, crema only.a latte has aprox 10mm froth and a chino is more froth and if done correctly should have a peak and appear like an island sitting in a ring of crema. They are traditional methods unfortunately today everyone makes up their own take on it and swears its right. It all comes down to the trainer if he or she is wrong it will carry through to the pupils.

  • @ScytheSalinas
    @ScytheSalinas 5 років тому +1

    My compliments to whoever edited this video

  • @sallunetta7333
    @sallunetta7333 5 років тому +3

    Like he said, their basically the same just served in different glasses 👍👍👍

    • @GearsOfCake
      @GearsOfCake 5 років тому +2

      No, no foam on top of the flat white, same consistency the whole way through.

  • @johnpiatt4583
    @johnpiatt4583 4 роки тому

    I enjoyed the video, but am not sure these drinks would taste any differently. And what drinks would require average shots (1 oz) of espresso? Thank you.

  • @brucelee2550
    @brucelee2550 4 роки тому

    whats the difference between a large flat white and a latte beside the amount of foam in each 12oz cup?

  • @NapoleonRinconHomeBarista
    @NapoleonRinconHomeBarista 6 років тому +6

    I love this! Can’t wait to go home and try this technique. Thanks for sharing!

  • @jayaychare7318
    @jayaychare7318 5 років тому

    essentially im seeing the different shape of drinking vessel allows the milk/foam to provide a different drink experience.

  • @bargeonline
    @bargeonline 3 роки тому

    So the large is going to have a different taste to the regular, with the same amount of caffeine.

  • @aarongutierrez5959
    @aarongutierrez5959 4 роки тому

    Hello. I always see this but what does (+/- 5 degrees) mean? I have a home espresso SUnbeam e6910 and I am having a hard time perfecting my steaming my milk because I guess of the steam is not as strong as a commercial one. Maybe I have to make adjustment so I can get a proper and strong steam release. Thank you

    • @krisdeaglephotography4539
      @krisdeaglephotography4539 3 роки тому

      Means that if it’s +/- 5 degrees for a 60 degree temperature, you can make the milk temp anywhere from 55 degrees to 65 degrees.

  • @thibodaux3424
    @thibodaux3424 6 років тому +14

    Great videos! However most cafes in Melbourne use double espresso shots as the norm in 6.5oz cups. Double ristretto is too weak.

  • @yimingzhh
    @yimingzhh 6 років тому

    Interesting, in US the definitions are different. Flat white is served in glass and latte is served in cup. The coffee/milk ratios are different here.

  • @riffmeisterkl
    @riffmeisterkl 4 роки тому

    Question - if I use a 8 Oz cup, what should the espresso yield be? Since the 8oz is 25% more than the 6.5oz, should I brew a 24g ristretto?

  • @okohjusticeisaac2845
    @okohjusticeisaac2845 4 роки тому

    What's the different between cappuccino and flat White latte

  • @cz982
    @cz982 4 роки тому

    So I followed this video to make a latte, 20g coffee with 20g yield, plus milk to fill an 8oz cup. The coffee comes out slightly stronger than what I’d normally taste in a store bought latte in Melbourne. What am I doing wrong here..

  • @mywayohanasemarang2543
    @mywayohanasemarang2543 4 роки тому

    What kind of coffee you use?

  • @chaimilch6008
    @chaimilch6008 6 років тому +6

    now we just need ml specifications for the cups and we are happy

  • @SiddKundu
    @SiddKundu 6 років тому

    Hi, I find my flat whites more balanced with a double ristretto shot. Thanks for your video. Can you please advise what will the brew ratio be for a long black?

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому

      Great to hear! Yes, we will be doing the Long Black video shortly stay tuned!

  • @bartkam
    @bartkam 5 років тому +5

    What’s the difference between 12oz Flat White and 12oz Caffe Latte? I can see fw in a cup and latte in the glass. Is stretching the milk time the same for both ? Thank you for answer :)

  • @arulmani8730
    @arulmani8730 4 роки тому

    Thank you

  • @samimshahnowaj7655
    @samimshahnowaj7655 5 років тому

    Thanks again sir to teach me well

  • @alfredcharles1144
    @alfredcharles1144 6 років тому +1

    I think a full inch of foam on a latte would be too much, I don't think I have ever made or been served one with that much foam.. and certainly haven't been trained to have that much. Most seem to recommend a 1cm minimum, 2cm maximum. Maybe there is a reason behind your inch though, if so i'd love to know.

    • @jdeki
      @jdeki 6 років тому +1

      With an inch of foam or more it makes me think cappuccino, not latte.

    • @chaimilch6008
      @chaimilch6008 6 років тому

      @@jdeki albeit the cappuccino never ever was the 3 thirds thing. foamy layer should also be thin. it is small cup + ESPRESSO + ST milk

  • @behonest9185
    @behonest9185 5 років тому +1

    Hi there, what is double ristretto ???

    • @Gypsymojo
      @Gypsymojo 5 років тому +1

      Double ristretto is the first 2/3 of a double espresso, the best part of the extraction.

  • @ethanlarsen7379
    @ethanlarsen7379 6 років тому

    Hey, great videos! I have been checking a lot of them out recently. I was hoping you could answer a few questions.
    1) Why 6.5oz cups as opposed to 10-12? I've heard mixed opinions on the proper size for latte, flat white and cappicunos and was just curious if this was personal preference?
    2) Why ristretto shots? I understand the intense, sweeter flavour, just always assumed people would use regular, unless the reduced water has to do with ratios based off of cup size? Thanks again!

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому +2

      Thanks for your comments and questions Ethan! so :
      1) Our 6.5oz would be considered out standard size or regular size dine-in (there being no small, medium and large.) The larger size cup available for dine-in is a 10oz cup. We use a double espresso in the large 10oz cup. So you can order a FW, CAP or LAT in either a 6.5oz or 10oz cup.
      2) It is based off the ratio of the cup size yes. Double espreso, single espresso, single riz wouldn't necessarily work. Not only can you test out right ratio of milk to coffee by tasting it; by using an equation you can accurately measure the strength of the beverage. Knowing your extraction yield you can target a strength with dilution of milk.

    • @ethanlarsen7379
      @ethanlarsen7379 6 років тому

      @@WolffCoffeeRoasters awesome, thanks for the info. Much appreciated!

  • @deathkid411
    @deathkid411 6 років тому +1

    I prefer a espresso in my flat white. I like how the coffee comes forward more.

    • @mariai9549
      @mariai9549 6 років тому

      yeah but doesn't there have to be a standard? otherwise if there are 10 options for every drink you might as well not name ANY drinks.

    • @deathkid411
      @deathkid411 6 років тому

      maria I agree. When I was first learning of the flat white here in the states, that is what I learned. 6oz up single shot and wet cap milk.

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому +1

      You right in saying that it is a short milk coffee that has wet milk as opposed to large amounts of foam that is dry. So the flat whites flavour experiences is aimed to highlight the notes /strength / flavour of the coffee much more than the milk. If you achieve this by using a single espresso then that is great. Another option to think about is: a customer should be less inclined to order an extra shot with a flat white than with a latte or cap.

    • @Jochemp88
      @Jochemp88 6 років тому +2

      I learned that every drink should have espresso sized shots in order to make it consistent. What they say in this video is very true about the balance between coffee and milk, but that's personal taste and every café does it different. That makes your business unique! :) Long story short: just make and drink what you prefer and enjoy the most! 👍

  • @nickwillwright
    @nickwillwright 4 роки тому

    Hey there, I really struggle with the amount of milk I need - what size pitcher do you recommend for the flat white to avoid wastage & get good latte art?

  • @bishoyhabib3952
    @bishoyhabib3952 5 років тому

    Thank you for your video, but what is the different in large size between flat wite and latte? in large size the same cup.espress and milk, so what the different in the taste?

    • @hussainalkabai3747
      @hussainalkabai3747 5 років тому

      Bishoy Habib the amount of foam makes the taste either more coffeish or milk balanced so you taste both and coffee or more of the shot

  • @kalebkaighn8739
    @kalebkaighn8739 5 років тому

    Song in the intro please?

  • @mariai9549
    @mariai9549 6 років тому +2

    Thanks for your educational videos.:)

  • @therealchickentender
    @therealchickentender 5 років тому

    Flat white is bang-on. Latte should use espresso shot and lean much more to the milk.

  • @azizvlog2934
    @azizvlog2934 4 роки тому

    Flat White and Café Latte
    Same here

  • @张有仙
    @张有仙 6 років тому

    Great video! One question: Do you use the same grind setting for both large and normal cup? Cause in my opinion, you definitely need to adjust grind setting if you change your brew ratio from 1:1 to 1:2.

  • @jackpast
    @jackpast 6 років тому +2

    Do you get that ristretto pour by a finer grind and/or a different tamping pressure? Thanks!

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому +3

      Not at all. The coffee has been dialled in to the espresso parameters of 20gm in | 40 grams out in 30secs. We will stop the shot earlier, around 16 - 20 secs to catch the first 20grams of the espresso only. It is not at optimum extraction levels however the trade off to extraction is the balance of flavours with the milk in this size cup.

    • @jdeki
      @jdeki 6 років тому

      If I were to drink that shot straight no milk, wouldn’t it taste sour?
      Common extraction myth:
      Under 20 = bitter/sour
      25 = just about right
      over 30/35 = burnt

    • @Prnii
      @Prnii 6 років тому

      @@jdeki My understanding is that it shouldn't be sour if the grind is properly dialed in. The shot is just 'restricted' to 20 seconds, instead of the suggested 27-30 seconds. This should give the espresso a different flavour profile, not sour or bad in any way, but different.
      I need to try this out myself!

  • @Goggans
    @Goggans 5 років тому

    ♡♡♡Love it♡♡♡ great job

  • @mercurimike3027
    @mercurimike3027 6 років тому +1

    Great Video!!! Keep it up

  • @gregp693
    @gregp693 6 років тому

    I was tired till I watched a few videos thanks

  • @hoomantheulf7391
    @hoomantheulf7391 5 років тому

    So the ONLY difference is the amount of foam?

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  5 років тому +1

      Yes. Traditionally a latte is served in a larger glass that makes it more of a milkier drink.

  • @ofisalavea9970
    @ofisalavea9970 5 років тому +7

    Some of ya’ll in the comments needa learn that different cafes interpret their beverages in different ways. Wolff College uses A double Ris, some of you may yous a double shot spro. My cafe uses a single shot for a 6oz takeaway and a double shot for a 6oz dine in mug. Its ALL DIFFERENT. Get over it

  • @ameeca1
    @ameeca1 6 років тому

    what is double ristretto?

  • @ReneRingnyu
    @ReneRingnyu 6 років тому +1

    Perfect

  • @ooseevip
    @ooseevip 5 років тому +2

    Or use 17gm double Espresso! Dah

  • @Neur0bit
    @Neur0bit 6 років тому +1

    A ristretto should take the same time to extract as an expresso, (~25-30 sec), so the only variable should be adjusting for a finer grind. According to the chart here, it shows 16-20, seconds, which would make the shot way under-extracted in my opinion.

    • @michellewood220
      @michellewood220 6 років тому

      Neur0bit 'espresso' not expresso.

    • @Neur0bit
      @Neur0bit 6 років тому

      michelle wood - You’re correct. IOS Autocorrect at work... 😊

    • @Neur0bit
      @Neur0bit 6 років тому +1

      Stan Vanillo - Not an excuse, but whatever. Cheers.

    • @patoteppe7944
      @patoteppe7944 6 років тому

      You really need to read more about Coffee, you should try about knowing how to make each drink.

    • @adamnemeth9965
      @adamnemeth9965 6 років тому +1

      @Neur0bit My thoughts exactly! However, the same time would end in a way more extracted beverage than the espresso because of the finer grind (taking the same time onto a lot bigger surface of coffee). So yeah, time should be way more than 16-20 secs, but maybe a bit less than 27-30 secs. Cheers!

  • @johngalt103
    @johngalt103 6 років тому +1

    Perfect👌

  • @Brockdorf
    @Brockdorf 6 років тому +2

    I usually love your stuff, but not this one. Based of this one, the only difference you stated is that your regular latte is .2oz bigger and your large is exactly the same? You implied there is more foam in a latte, but considering this is the only difference maybe you could have expanded? What is frustrating about this video is that Flat White is the hardest drink to get right when ordering and was really hoping you would help in this struggle.

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому +4

      Hi Soren, I appreciate your feedback. It is contained in the comments below yes I admit there could have ben more emphasis on the differences. The implications of even the small ones I've pointed out go along way in changing the 'flavour experience' for the customer.
      This video is intended for Barista or industry people to learn or reflect on what they do and should not be considered a 'how to order a flat white' better.
      To expand, Flat Whites should be a coffee strong milk beverage, drunk in a small porcelain or ceramic cup with well textured foam that lasts but is not thick or dry foam. The large version of this and the latte are upscaled versions of the same thing, maintaining each of the respective flavour experiences.
      Just like wine, the vessel you drink out of changes the way you experience the taste of the beverage. You're right in saying the are not a lot of ingredient or method differences in making these two drinks but the simplest difference here also is the largest.

  • @AbhishekMukherjee
    @AbhishekMukherjee 5 років тому

    So basically the latte is ever so slightly diluted, and the pouring technique is different. I thought latte had one espresso.

  • @mubsheraliraza8709
    @mubsheraliraza8709 6 років тому +1

    Good experience my brother I am happy

  • @petervilili2126
    @petervilili2126 6 років тому

    great

  • @estheragyei4049
    @estheragyei4049 3 роки тому

    Cortado and machiato

  • @noraalhajeri8122
    @noraalhajeri8122 5 років тому

    I thought that a ristretto is half a shot of espresso !!!!!

  • @puntoycoma9491
    @puntoycoma9491 6 років тому +1

    I love you guys ToT

  • @johnwhitlock6984
    @johnwhitlock6984 4 роки тому

    Welp that didn't help

  • @kyuthein7966
    @kyuthein7966 5 років тому

    But Sir as my knowledge flat white is no form

  • @jolyblack4
    @jolyblack4 6 років тому +1

    both of these drinks I would personally class as flat whites. The latte art is lovely and very effective but a latte (or 'cafe latte' meaning coffee with milk) should be a longer drink with much more milk. I love the way you serve it in a glass which is how it should be served but there is no size difference (yh yh 0.2 oz but thats neglible)
    A latte should have similar milk to the flat white but in a much larger glass, if you want it to be really effective pour the milk into the glass and then the coffee to achieve that classic latte layering, but then that means no latte art (boo hoo!)

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому

      Great! thanks Joly Black! I couldn't agree more. Though the industry in Australia has adopted an approach where you can get a small, medium, large and extra large of any style drink essentially. An extra large cappuccino isn't really a thing if you borrow Italian standards, yet we place chocolate on it and you can buy in by the bucket.. I love how different cultures enjoy coffee in various ways.

  • @ahmadhusaini8420
    @ahmadhusaini8420 6 років тому +1

    20 yield 20? Damn

  • @mandaalpiansah3088
    @mandaalpiansah3088 5 років тому

    Hai bisa hubungi sy

  • @iced_latteZ
    @iced_latteZ 6 років тому +1

    Nothing is explained lol.

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  6 років тому

      Hi Adam, nothing is a broad term, we were hoping to explain and share how we make our Flat whites and lattes. I feel we did okay with that. What is it you hoping the explanation would be?

  • @davidfulloption
    @davidfulloption 5 років тому

    im pretty sure u can t call this latte art my friend , not even close lol

    • @WolffCoffeeRoasters
      @WolffCoffeeRoasters  5 років тому

      Not my best anyway.. but far from what many hope to do, so at least this way we get to show them it is possible to get better from here hahahaha