Correction about using sub-ambient temps (like LN2): considerably lowering the chip's temperature lowers the internal resistance of the chip nd thus its power consumption. Therefore,if you were to cool the chip with LN2, you would still see some performance gains, in theory. Power limits aren't only present on the chip but might also apply to the power delivery. It just depends how the system monitors and handles power. If you want more information, watch Roman Hartung (aka Der8auer) on the subject
Thank you! This confirms my recommendation of skipping the 13" M1-MBPro as it's nearly identical to the M1-MBAir. The performance characteristics are going to be the same regardless of the MBPro's fan. So you're paying $300 more for a TouchBar, Fan, and slightly better display. IMHO - the 13" M1-MBPro should not even exist.
Exactly! This was my reasoning for purchasing the 13" M1-MBAir. It's way cheaper, especially with the student discount and the money you save is worth every penny. Paying extra for a very slightly better computer simply was not worth it to me as a student.
@@lamarshealey3332 Full disclosure - I bought the M1 Mac Mini and M1 MBPro the day they came out. I was pretty sad when the MBAir came out and realized I'd paid too much. BUT - I kept the MBPro and am happy with it... for now!
You also get that extra gpu core so they’re effectively the same price but the pro having the brighter screen, fan, better battery and touch bar if that’s your thing with a different shape
m1 air is my first mac this is the most powerful laptop I ever had if you are a student I highly recommend you the base model is enough for almost everything if you are a college student you cannot get any laptop like m1 air at this price point 🔥
For most students it makes perfect sense. Of course if you need windows bootcamp or any software that can’t be translated with Rosetta it’s not a good option haha. Simple stuff like an illustrator plugin my department used was only comparable with a previous version of illustrator that wasn’t an option to install in M1. Definitely a case by case basis
The real M1 biggest issue is unfixable. It's that the SSD contains weird hidden volumes paired to the firmware. If the SSD dies, there is NO WAY to use your device, you can't even boot to an external drive anymore because the device won't turn on at all! If you have soldering skills to replace the SSD... it doesn't fix it, these volumes are PAIRED to the firmware! That means... STAY AWAY!
Honestly it probably wouldn't be hard to make a dock or case that makes contact with the MacBook chassis that uses a water-cooling system to dissipate heat further from the chassis and actually make this a practical set up.
Would be cool to see a MagSafe style magnet on the bottom cover to align an external cooler when trying to milk it for performance at home or the office. Thermal pads on the inside could be the medium and still produce gains in performance without the cooler. Someone could make some money if they 3d printed a stand with a cooler and the alignment magnets. Even if its raised up for external keyboard and mouse use.
basically just apply thermal pads so that bottom of the laptop is actually your heat sink and you are good no other cooling necessary gonna do that mod for mine
Imagine if this was done to the M2 MacBook Air… pls do this I wanna see how much it helps out.
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I've bought Air to not have any fans... I was aware about throttling but I don't play any games and this is not computer suited for 3D rendering... for this I would buy few graphics cards and fast CPU like Threadripper 3995... This machine was designed for mobility....
There are a few concerns I have with your process. First of all, the black tape on the bottom cover has heat reflecting properties to keep the bottom temperatures more comfy to use on a lap. Second, obviously the aio is very overkill but a thermal pad is a very poor thermal conductor compared to paste. I believe if you spend more time and effort it can make a more informative video.
I stated in the video that the M1 chip is recessed into the chassis. Therefore, the only way to make contact with an AIO cold plate is by bridging the gap with a thermal pad.
@@atacant Thanks for the feedback! It certainly would have been great to attach it via thermal paste, but I don't think it would have made a big difference due to the limited wattage of the M1 chip. Also very messy to clean up!
Love the summary of why the thermal headroom doesn’t speed it up. That was so confusing. I bought a stand with a fan on it and never noticed much of an improvement. I figured I see at least some! Now I know it’s not worth pursuing. Thanks! Fun break down.
I modified a semiconductor refrigeration cooling bracket to work better. Just put the macbookair on the stand, turn on the switch, and the whole enclosure is frozen
My thermal pad modded closed M1 Air does 7770+ in default 10min run of Cinebench R23, makes me think how much better can my Gelid Ultimate pad be compared to the Thermalright 12.8W/mk? The Gelid has 15W/mK heat transfer specs and I used 2mm thickness instead of just 1.5mm. And only on the higher part of the heatsink, ignoring the "side square" where you put 3mm heatpad.
Apple COULD REALLY "THINK DIFFERENT" and add vapour chamber etched in bottom panel, graphene sheet reviewed on LTT for lateral heat transfer to the back of display, limit Air to 7 core GPU and downclock it to 3.0 GHz.... in any case that still means that Apple Silicon or not, MacBook Air and smalller ones (iPads, iPhones) are just being VASTLY overheated by built in SoCs. Thermodynamics is a beach...
I wonder if thermally connecting the vrms to the bottom, then water cooling would give a functional boost. Really not much of a reason to remove the bottom.
Hey, thanks so much for this video. I really enjoyed it. Out of curiosity, how would a laptop stand with air cooler together with the thermal pads mod perform? It would be more practical for daily use.
@@dmitriabujamra I think that this is the way to go, as you can just place the macbook on the cooler when you get home and you're good to go. I will try this out today since I have everything for that lying around
Since the thermal pad dissipates heat to the mac bottom cover, wouldn’t it mean that you’re subjecting the battery to more heat which degrades the battery?
Battery temp only increases by 1-2 degrees max, and that’s ONLY when the system is under full load e.g rendering a video. For the other 99.9% of the time, battery temp is the exact same.
Can you make a video on how to cool an iMac M1 basic edition? My new iMac is ridiculously overheating without me pushing it. I cannot use this setup in this video because the head of this cooler cannot be placed back the hottest spot behind the Mac cos the is power cable and the leg that holds the screen attached. :)
After massive after updates in apple MacBook air m1, MacBook not hotter than previous times, apple lots of improvements in the latest updates, also now in davinci resolve app uses , MacBook Air m1 is not get too hot than previous one, i already use macbook air m1 from last 9 months, i know that when m1 chip lauch in macbook air m1 then user faced lots problems in heat sink issues, i also face lot issues, but after lots updates released in macbook air m1, then now i am not facing any heating issue, so experiments are not required for this MacBook.
Actually, I'm planning on getting a thermal mod for my base model Space Grey M1 MacBook Air. But as I thought of that, why didn't they make thermal mods to the 12-inch MacBook, which is also fanelss? Anyways, my M1 MacBook Air has lasted me for nearly 10 months, and planning to use it for more than 2-5 years (as people thought it would last that long)
lol' you would have a heartt attack watchin jjay duct tape a computer to an air condioner or linus just dipping the chassi into ice water if you think this is janky
yes it would, look for other vids on his channel. HOWEVER if you plan to do the thermal pad mod it basically makes the back of your laptop a stove top and it will be very hot on your lap.
has the fragile screen rumor been debunked or is it real that the m1 air's screen is more fragile than older models? It's the only thing keeping me from buying it :(
Yes its true. Aluminum skin is thinner some friends/ coworkers have reported this little dings on the lid. The race for thinner macs have not ended. Stop defending apple with no evidence. Let me guess Apple makes no mistake for you dont you? Anybody with long experience with macs know they re fragile and they need to use keyboard protectors. I hang a lot with the Mac staff technical support guys that have 25 years experience and they know better about mac than you by far!!
@Teluric 1 Do you realize the ridiculous irony of your comment? You accuse Apple of something, and then ask ME to provide evidence proving otherwise. YOU should be the one providing evidence. Also, do try to come up with something better than "my friend dinged his MacBook lid" LOL. You don't really know how this whole "accusation" thing works do ya buddy... In addition, using a keyboard protector is one of the worst things you can do, but I'm not surprised you recommended this judging from the rest of your comment.
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Here is another test you could try turning the bottom case into copper like heat sink
I’d be curious the difference between a stock M1 Pro/Max and a water cooled one since those laptops use fans
Man, 10 seconds in and the cinematic B-roll looks insane. Amazing
Correction about using sub-ambient temps (like LN2):
considerably lowering the chip's temperature lowers the internal resistance of the chip nd thus its power consumption. Therefore,if you were to cool the chip with LN2, you would still see some performance gains, in theory. Power limits aren't only present on the chip but might also apply to the power delivery. It just depends how the system monitors and handles power.
If you want more information, watch Roman Hartung (aka Der8auer) on the subject
Thank you! This confirms my recommendation of skipping the 13" M1-MBPro as it's nearly identical to the M1-MBAir. The performance characteristics are going to be the same regardless of the MBPro's fan. So you're paying $300 more for a TouchBar, Fan, and slightly better display. IMHO - the 13" M1-MBPro should not even exist.
Exactly! This was my reasoning for purchasing the 13" M1-MBAir. It's way cheaper, especially with the student discount and the money you save is worth every penny. Paying extra for a very slightly better computer simply was not worth it to me as a student.
When I bought my MBP it was on sale for the same price. 👍🏾👍🏾
@@lamarshealey3332 Full disclosure - I bought the M1 Mac Mini and M1 MBPro the day they came out. I was pretty sad when the MBAir came out and realized I'd paid too much. BUT - I kept the MBPro and am happy with it... for now!
I'm glad the M1 MBP exists. I could not work with the M1 Air because it overheats on my workload.
You also get that extra gpu core so they’re effectively the same price but the pro having the brighter screen, fan, better battery and touch bar if that’s your thing with a different shape
m1 air is my first mac
this is the most powerful laptop I ever had
if you are a student I highly recommend you
the base model is enough for almost everything if you are a college student
you cannot get any laptop like m1 air at this price point 🔥
.... if you have compatible software.
For most students it makes perfect sense. Of course if you need windows bootcamp or any software that can’t be translated with Rosetta it’s not a good option haha.
Simple stuff like an illustrator plugin my department used was only comparable with a previous version of illustrator that wasn’t an option to install in M1. Definitely a case by case basis
I cant wait to see the difference in the M1 Pro and Max, cuz i feel the difference can be more there
The real M1 biggest issue is unfixable.
It's that the SSD contains weird hidden volumes paired to the firmware. If the SSD dies, there is NO WAY to use your device, you can't even boot to an external drive anymore because the device won't turn on at all!
If you have soldering skills to replace the SSD... it doesn't fix it, these volumes are PAIRED to the firmware!
That means... STAY AWAY!
Honestly it probably wouldn't be hard to make a dock or case that makes contact with the MacBook chassis that uses a water-cooling system to dissipate heat further from the chassis and actually make this a practical set up.
Honestly thought about the same thing for the M1 max after seeing the mech 15 laptop in Dave2d’s video
mr. steve nexus guy will be so angry when he sees that aio placement orientation lmao.
great video. looking forward a m1 MacBook Air internal fan mod :DDD
Testing on M1 Pro and M1 Max could also be interesting.
M1 Pro/Max already have proper heatpipes and fans that rarely need to go at full speed - don't think additional cooling would make much difference.
@@PetrKlapper Yes, you are right, Those chips need a fan or two.
Is it possible to increase the TDP for more performance?
Would be cool to see a MagSafe style magnet on the bottom cover to align an external cooler when trying to milk it for performance at home or the office. Thermal pads on the inside could be the medium and still produce gains in performance without the cooler. Someone could make some money if they 3d printed a stand with a cooler and the alignment magnets. Even if its raised up for external keyboard and mouse use.
try a storage resolder!(for upgrade) if you are interested , it will be a great video
basically just apply thermal pads so that bottom of the laptop is actually your heat sink and you are good
no other cooling necessary
gonna do that mod for mine
I guess that any tower air cooler will do same job, maybe you can compare it.
WHAT IF WE USE THOSE SMALL GAMING PHONE COOLERS AND MOD IT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN PLACE IT RIGHT WHERE THE TEMPERATURE IS THE HIGHEST
I use copper sheets instead of thermal grease pads
love this channel, i'm watching this from my m1 air waiting for thermal pads to mod it ;)
im suprised that ltt hasnt done this yet! wow very interesting experiment
This might be more practical with the M1 Mac Mini.
Imagine if this was done to the M2 MacBook Air… pls do this I wanna see how much it helps out.
I've bought Air to not have any fans... I was aware about throttling but I don't play any games and this is not computer suited for 3D rendering... for this I would buy few graphics cards and fast CPU like Threadripper 3995... This machine was designed for mobility....
Yeah but this might make sent for a rendering station you only set up on a separate desk for intense tasks.
There are a few concerns I have with your process. First of all, the black tape on the bottom cover has heat reflecting properties to keep the bottom temperatures more comfy to use on a lap. Second, obviously the aio is very overkill but a thermal pad is a very poor thermal conductor compared to paste. I believe if you spend more time and effort it can make a more informative video.
I stated in the video that the M1 chip is recessed into the chassis. Therefore, the only way to make contact with an AIO cold plate is by bridging the gap with a thermal pad.
@@CreatedTech thanks for clarifying. It was a fun and well made video either way.
@@atacant Thanks for the feedback! It certainly would have been great to attach it via thermal paste, but I don't think it would have made a big difference due to the limited wattage of the M1 chip. Also very messy to clean up!
3:05 Anybody can confirm if the oil stains from the long term thermal pad mod can be cleaned or does it leave a permanent mark ?
Now its MacBook Water
Love the summary of why the thermal headroom doesn’t speed it up. That was so confusing. I bought a stand with a fan on it and never noticed much of an improvement. I figured I see at least some! Now I know it’s not worth pursuing. Thanks! Fun break down.
I Literally Thought Of This Few Days Ago
Fixing the M1 MacBook Air's BIGGEST Issue!
By creating another issue - you'll have to carry an AIO cooler around
I modified a semiconductor refrigeration cooling bracket to work better. Just put the macbookair on the stand, turn on the switch, and the whole enclosure is frozen
M1 Macbook Air's biggest issue: Air
We need this same test on M2 Mac Air! :D
My thermal pad modded closed M1 Air does 7770+ in default 10min run of Cinebench R23, makes me think how much better can my Gelid Ultimate pad be compared to the Thermalright 12.8W/mk?
The Gelid has 15W/mK heat transfer specs and I used 2mm thickness instead of just 1.5mm. And only on the higher part of the heatsink, ignoring the "side square" where you put 3mm heatpad.
Another great video by Dave2D
whould like to see a modded m1/m2 mac air watercooled, BUT! with the case on
Apple COULD REALLY "THINK DIFFERENT" and add vapour chamber etched in bottom panel, graphene sheet reviewed on LTT for lateral heat transfer to the back of display, limit Air to 7 core GPU and downclock it to 3.0 GHz.... in any case that still means that Apple Silicon or not, MacBook Air and smalller ones (iPads, iPhones) are just being VASTLY overheated by built in SoCs. Thermodynamics is a beach...
The fans from the cooler and the open bottom will definitely drop the temps
I wonder if thermally connecting the vrms to the bottom, then water cooling would give a functional boost. Really not much of a reason to remove the bottom.
Why don’t you build an m2 pro Mac mini in a pc case with a water cooler?
Great review
Hey, thanks so much for this video. I really enjoyed it. Out of curiosity, how would a laptop stand with air cooler together with the thermal pads mod perform? It would be more practical for daily use.
I was wondering the same thing
@@dmitriabujamra I think that this is the way to go, as you can just place the macbook on the cooler when you get home and you're good to go. I will try this out today since I have everything for that lying around
this is ridiculous. you should have done it in the mac mini instead.
Better yet, would like to see this on the M1 Ultra.
use Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut .It's a pad .
I’m curious does the metal on the bottom of the MacBook get messed up when you use the thermal pad mod?
Great idea and video! 😄
Now do this with the M1 Pro and Max
Need to see a water cooled m1 max on a 14 inch! (and compare to the 16 inch!)
Since the thermal pad dissipates heat to the mac bottom cover, wouldn’t it mean that you’re subjecting the battery to more heat which degrades the battery?
The battery doesn’t make contact to the cover itself so the heat is isolated. Plus the battery temps are really low to begin with.
Battery temp only increases by 1-2 degrees max, and that’s ONLY when the system is under full load e.g rendering a video. For the other 99.9% of the time, battery temp is the exact same.
Why’d you say ‘aluminum’ when your Australia haha
Can you make a video on how to cool an iMac M1 basic edition? My new iMac is ridiculously overheating without me pushing it. I cannot use this setup in this video because the head of this cooler cannot be placed back the hottest spot behind the Mac cos the is power cable and the leg that holds the screen attached. :)
Try using TEC (thermoelectric cooler) like on smartphone
After massive after updates in apple MacBook air m1, MacBook not hotter than previous times, apple lots of improvements in the latest updates, also now in davinci resolve app uses , MacBook Air m1 is not get too hot than previous one, i already use macbook air m1 from last 9 months, i know that when m1 chip lauch in macbook air m1 then user faced lots problems in heat sink issues, i also face lot issues, but after lots updates released in macbook air m1, then now i am not facing any heating issue, so experiments are not required for this MacBook.
2 things,
Whats are these posters in the back?
And can you do the same thing for the Core i9 MacBook Pro
You should do this to a Mac mini
I would think the results would be the same since they're identical architectures
Great job 🔥
put liquid metal on it and test that also
Everyone to created tech: please leave macbook air 😅
Id like to by complicated cooler kit for mac but it should be with normal stub platform
Try this on the M1 Max
can M1 Macbook Air Running After Effect smoothly? just simple project ,,,,,,thanks for the answer CT
At last you had fun doing something absolut useless. :D
i bet theres big differences on 16/32gb ram
This version should be modified for mac studio or m1 mac mini
But why?
can you also do this with a m1 macbook pro ?
If only you could overclock these
dude, do it on m1 pro and max
Actually, I'm planning on getting a thermal mod for my base model Space Grey M1 MacBook Air. But as I thought of that, why didn't they make thermal mods to the 12-inch MacBook, which is also fanelss? Anyways, my M1 MacBook Air has lasted me for nearly 10 months, and planning to use it for more than 2-5 years (as people thought it would last that long)
Do the same with the MacBook Pro 14 inches full gpus
I just keep mine in the feezer whenever I render something out
Hahahahaha...
Omg you read my mind
Interesting 🤔 I guess M1 on air is limited performance. You should try with M1 pro o max.
lol' you would have a heartt attack watchin jjay duct tape a computer to an air condioner or linus just dipping the chassi into ice water if you think this is janky
do you think the modded one(with the pads) would increase the performance using blender/rendering in blender?
yes it would, look for other vids on his channel. HOWEVER if you plan to do the thermal pad mod it basically makes the back of your laptop a stove top and it will be very hot on your lap.
Fun. Thanks
At 4:56 you said GPU under the bleu thermal pad? There is noting under it
I didn't say that. I said that both are the heatsinks for the CPU and GPU, as both CPU/GPU are contained on the same M1 chip.
has the fragile screen rumor been debunked or is it real that the m1 air's screen is more fragile than older models? It's the only thing keeping me from buying it :(
It’s a ridiculous rumour and has no evidence to back it up. There’s no problem with the screen.
Yes its true. Aluminum skin is thinner some friends/ coworkers have reported this little dings on the lid.
The race for thinner macs
have not ended.
Stop defending apple with no evidence.
Let me guess Apple makes no mistake for you dont you?
Anybody with long experience with macs know they re fragile and they need to use keyboard protectors.
I hang a lot with the Mac staff technical support guys that have 25 years experience and they know better about mac than you by far!!
@Teluric 1 Do you realize the ridiculous irony of your comment? You accuse Apple of something, and then ask ME to provide evidence proving otherwise. YOU should be the one providing evidence. Also, do try to come up with something better than "my friend dinged his MacBook lid" LOL. You don't really know how this whole "accusation" thing works do ya buddy...
In addition, using a keyboard protector is one of the worst things you can do, but I'm not surprised you recommended this judging from the rest of your comment.
@@CreatedTech thank youuu!!
@@CreatedTech NIce reply man! Boils my blood when I see comments like this! Ughhh!!
@CreatedTech how did you conect an power the fans in the set up?
Just a note that it's not "twice as cold" since Celsius doesn't start at 0 degrees rather it starts -273.15.
Which means it's around %12 cooler
Interesting and creative
Just it fun, because, the amount of money to buy the Watercool then We buy Macbook pro M1, it's better
Upgrade ram in MacBook air
lmfao this is wild
Why?
Why not?
Why me?
These are just fun videos bro
Why are you missleading people? the M2 chips is not having much thermal profile. Saying it would be a biggest issue is a lie
lol hes not misleading anyone you potato. he literally says that and explains why in the video. r u blind dumdum??
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Women: why do men earn more?
Me: Shows them this video.
Women: sexism
bullshit
Why do I keep watching these pointless videos. My life is such a waste.
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