2022 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 vs 2022 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 - Head to Head Review!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- If you're looking to maximize enjoyment with your 718 Cayman on the street, is the GT4 worth the extra $30-40K over the GTS 4.0?
2022 GTS 4.0 mod list:
GT4 short shifter
Flat 6 OAP
JCR non-silenced race pipe
Cargraphic valve controller
TWL carbon ducklid spoiler
20" wheels + Michelin PS4S in GT4 size
DSC sport controller
Ninemeister lightweight flywheel and clutch
2022 GT4 mod list:
Stock GT4 coilovers, lowered 8mm
TE37 Ultra M-Spec 20x11 rear and 20x8.5 front
Michelin Cup 2 tires
Custom titanium OAP
BMC air filters
Cargraphic valve controller
RSNV wing risers
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Oh my god Becky look at that wing 😂😂
Gt3s too
And lotus
Don't forget even though both have the same front strut suspension setup, the 718 (982) GT4's front suspension is 100% copy and pasted from the 991.2 GT3. Same front brakes as the GT3. The adaptive dampers from the 991.2 GT3 RS. The ABS and stability control programming are RS spec also. You don't get any of that in the GTS and even with the aftermarket, you can't replicate it.
Love my CGTS4.0. I don’t have to worry about scraping the splitter, it doesn’t get unwanted attention, and the suspension is PERFECT for spirited street driving in imperfect road surfaces. It corners so flat given its weight and the center of gravity of the flat six without being overly sprung like in an M car.
As an owner of a 23' GT4 I firstly very much enjoy how much content you have made for the Cayman platform in general, especially since these cars are no longer really in the "meta" as far as trending automotive content is concerned so thank you for that.
Definitely would agree on the fact that if you are NOT going to track the car often the GTS 4.0 would be the way to go -- much less flashy and under the radar yet still has that enjoyable experience along with all the comfort / technological features that are unavailable for the GT4. However with the 18-ways instead of buckets the GT4 is still rather tolerable for normal road driving, and can be made softer with a DSC controller. Truthfully because of the longer gearing these cars DEMAND going on spirited cruises along windy roads or doing laps on the track -- as a daily commuter or even just driving on the highway the car has an existential crisis bogging at 2k RPM which makes for a very lackluster experience & not worth it for the money, in which case I think other vehicles at lower price ranges might satisfy more adequately. That being said I love the car.. Once you have it broken in and finally push it past 5-6k RPM or floor it around a curve/turn you realize what fantastic of a vehicle it is.
Agree. Moved on from a 718 spyder for the same reason. Highway cruising is lame at 2K. I couldn’t justify keeping it, though in the mountains of GA/NC, it was glorious
@@kineticUWhat car do you have to replace It ?
@@kineticU What speed r u guys doing to only be doing 2k at hwy speeds? Granted I have a 981gt4, but Im doing closer to 3k in 6th
@@angelo12321 2K,3K pretty much the same. Have to be above 3800 for any fun and 5000+ for these engines to be kept healthy LOL
GT 4 is track car. You must have a butt made out of steel if you say this is Road legal car:)
@Zygrene If the GTS 4.0 with PS4S is 85% as sharp as a GT4 with Cup 2's, how much would the difference shrink with Cup 2's on the GTS 4.0?
I'd guess Cup 2's would shrink the gap by 3-4%
Best GTS I've ever heard. Anyone who owns one should just copy and paste these exhaust mods.
Jcr (or any x-pipe) will really bring the 4.0 engine alive. If you don’t track, GTS is the better choice in every scenario. Gt4 only shines at the limit AND track scenarios. Even for canyon carvin a nicely modded GTS would still be better. Buckets+cup2 vs Sofas+ps4s will also make a huge difference for comfort.
Good review, both the 981 Cayman GTS and 718 Cayman GTS 4L are great cars, quite a few Porsche owners have one of those and by-pass the GT4 for a GT3 or GT3 RS.
I have a GTS 4.0. Years back I had a base boxster. In between I always had a GTI but added a couple alfas , a jag, two Sciroccos( one for 42 years) . I traded my manual golf r for a new GTS. The golf was fun and anonymous, carries 4 people or a fridge, sounds great and pulls hard.
Then I picked up the Cayman. What Volkswagen ?In 4 months I put 5000 k on it on Vancouver island. It’s astonishing. It dawdles in traffic, it flies on the track. Mine came with side warning radar. I have never been more comfortable in traffic. Because you sit on the floor it’s hard to see out to the side. Large blind spot, large mirrors that block the view on corners but it’s irrelevant because I Know what’s beside me.
People focus on the gearing and yeah , shorter is better but when I hit it, it goes. Stop crying about the gearing and shift damnit. And last , a base cayman with PDK is faster to 100 k because my car is a manual. But when I fly into a corner, shut down hard, snatch second and go , I feel like a kid. It makes me smile.
In short , any of these 718 cars are true sports cars but if you drive a manual you get a degree of interaction with the car that starts with a crisp incisive action from the shifter then those long gears. You could break every Canadian speed law in second gear. The engine spins freely and at 5000 k it’s really freeing up.
This is the end of an era. Manual transmission is history, V8 engines are down for the count, the clock is ticking ever louder on internal combustion but it’s not done yet .
I bought the GTS because it was the price for that lovely engine. It’s not relevant to me that a base car beats me at the lights. Good for that person, but for me I bought it for the sound.
Great review. You'd be hard pressed to find a decent MT GTS 4.0 under 100k though, normally goes for 100k to 120k. So I'd say it's more of a 20k price difference between the two for similar condition.
Gts and targa are always overpriced on the used market.
@@andrewrossnagel9433 True. This one worth it though. In my opinion, the best GTS model in any generation of Caymans and 911s, when comparing with same generation S and GT models.
@@lz5324 spec wise yes. Driver engagement, no and as I get older I couldn't care less on what ring time my car has. I'll take driver engagement of a 981 spyder over either of them. But they're all amazing vehicles
@@andrewrossnagel9433 Agree, if you enjoy open top. Note that I said in comparison with same generation S and GT models. 981 Spyder and GT4 are amazing cars.
Bought mine last year, in California. 2021, with 2000 miles. Flawless. Loaded except for the two things that I didn’t want: PDK and PCCB. $20K just in options. That’s what I paid for my 996!
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GT4RS for the track and 718 Spyder with 18 ways and 6MT with Flat 6 OAP and JCR exhaust for the road. Top down driving adds another dimension to the canyon carving experience while still retaining daily usability (provided installation of a front axle lift).
The GTS sounds amazing.
I was just watching vidoes on the 718 GTS 4.0 when I stumbled on this vid Fenton... GTS will suffice for a lot of people who will be daily driving the car with some canyon carving from time to time. The GT4 will do all of that as well, but it's too stiff for daily driving. On track tho, the GT4 is the answer. Those tall gears tho... You could practically go anywhere in the Bay Area using only 1st and 2nd gear. Lol!
I daily my gt4 in the summer... it's really not that stiff. If you've ever put coilovers on your car its basically that in soft mode. KW v3 in my e46 is stiffer, tein flex z in my STI is stiffer. Also imo the gearing is really blown out of proportion, there's plenty of theatre short shifting on the street. You're really not going to be redlining 2nd gear in any 300hp+ sports car from the last 2 decades on the street without destroying speed limits.
Those tall gears , to me, is why getting a manual trans is not much more fun against the substantial performance you get from the PDK. My PDK GTS is a rocket ship and feels faster than my other, high power v8 manual cars
@@HLinHD You're not counting the STI as a sports car? Because I seem to remember 2nd tops out around 60...
@@jonboy602 STI has amazingly short gears, and I loved them in mine for the street, can't deny that. I guess if we include highway speeds, I have to eat my words.
Still, I don't think it really changes my point, outside of an onramp pull you're going way too fast for the street. And then you're stuck driving on a highway in a straight line, in traffic, at 3500rpm droning.
The GT4 would be more fun with short gears, for sure. I just don't think its as big of a deal as every reviewer makes it out to be. When you find an opportunity to rip it, its an occasion and its still fun. I really don't hear ppl complaining about e46 m3 gearing and I'm at just as illegal of speeds at the top of 2nd gear in that car.
@@HLinHD Fair points, and good to hear an owner's perspective.
I was going to point out my wrx as an example of a modern car with short gearing, then I remembered if it had another 2k rpm to play with, instead of the 6k redline it actually has, the gears wouldn't be all that short!
Really solid, in-depth review. You helped me choose a 2023 GTS over a GT4. It's (GT4) brilliant but not worth the extra money IMO. I want the car I can live with. GTS 4.0 all the way.
Looked up the JCR exhaust system, wow that thing is expensive
Don’t leave us dangling….
Good lord. 6-7K
Many think it sounds the best of all the AM exhaust options on the 718 GTS 4.0. Lots of discussion on rennlist about this
GT4 with 18 way seats makes all the difference. Enjoyed the review but a "stock" comparison of both would be the only fair and true comparison. The low front clearance (no lift offered) is my only issue with my 2023....fortunately replacement lips are affordable.
Cayman over 911 all day every day
except for those of us who use back seats for kids all the time, OR who are a bit too tall for Cayman. But hit one tight S curve and mid-engine feels perfect w any technique while 911 requires method
How tall are you? I’m 6, 2” and there's room to spare.
Looks like you enjoyed driving on Cypress Mountain. This the head to head I had been wanting to see.
How would you compare the 718 GTS 4.0 to the 981 GT4?
I merged the line some more and went with buckets in the GTS
Agree with your conclusions and will add the GTS 4.0 is no slouch on track. For this money though, I'd be more tempted by a C8 Z06 at MSRP (yes I know people getting them for that now). That said, I haven't tried a C8Z yet
LOL. Sure, people cross--shop them all the time.
I agree. I've heard people saying what a well rounded package the GTS Cayman is and I figured they were just talking it up because they couldn't afford (or get) a GT4, but on this I would agree, it looks the better car for road use. That exhaust is glorious too. The Cayman doesn't quite add up as a proper GT to me, even the RS. I would always prefer a GT3 for that kind of car.
For me the cayman (and 911) shape needs the rear wing
Think it would have to be 981 boxster spyder for me for cool street car in that price bracket
Cayman T does not have a base suspension. It has GTS suspension
Nice vid Fenton, and looking forward to the other ones from your Vancouver visit! Hope you're able to check out the Duffy Lake Road next time, North of Whistler - It has to be one of the greatest stretches of driving roads in the entire world.
Duffy lake road not in the greatest condition these days tho…
Nice review. On the GTS would you say it might be too loud from the point of view outside the car not inside? and how much would the owner have spent on the two exhaust components and did the short shifter feel like the GT four shifter?
When CLK GTR vs McLaren F1 review?
That's the day I'll have officially graduated from Cayman comparos
@@Zygrene So when you do a F1 V10 is the day you graduate from the NSX and S2K...got it.
I'd love to own either of these cars. But I checked with my accountant and he said I better keep using my Corolla.
I’d take the gentian blue Spyder 😅 Did you drive that one as well?
Unfortunately not
Gentian blue is just gorgeous
MSRP on my lightly optioned 24 GTS was 105. not sure where u r getting those price points
Same. And for 2024 model year cars they bumped the prices again. Base MSRP is $99k.
C8 z06 2lz for $125k or manual gt4/gts4.0 for mostly street and some track days?
Unless you gotta have a manual the Z06 is a no brainer. Its better than a GT3 nevermind gt4/gts
Everyone cross-shops those. Yep.
I agree with the review and conclusions with two exceptions. I have the '21 Spyder which I autocross. The GT4/Spyder suspension, brakes, and sport buckets really come into play when competing. Otherwise, not so much as mentioned in this review. I do feel that even driving on the street, there is more of a feeling of special occasion with the Porsche GT versions. That, and having owned Porsche GT cars in the past, I believe they will depreciate less (which is supported by current resale data and other UA-cam sites). Those two factors might tilt someone to the GT4.
Um, go look at GTS 4.0 prices on the used market. Above MSRP. Especially 6-speeds.
Wheels on the GTS, please? Thanks.
When configured with comfort seats the 718 GT4 works well as a daily driver. Yes it's a bit loud and aggressive looking but that does add to the sense of occassion when driving it. The ride is more than acceptable and I usually leave it in the sport setting. I can't think of another car costing less than 200 K I'd rather have.
Off topic but seeing as it was brought up in the video, how does the Chinese food in the Vancouver area compare to San Fransisco's?
Vancouver is highly regarded as having the best Chinese food outside of Hong Kong/China.
@@williamk1800 Thanks for that. Vancouver foodies are indeed blessed.
I've driven a GTS 4.0 and own a 718 GT4 and if it's not your singular only vehicle the GT4 is the pick all day. I don't regret for a moment paying more for a GT4 as the fun car for weekend canyon drives and the once in a while track day. Honestly sounds nit picky but the fact that you can't turn off the auto rev match feature on the GTS w/o also disabling the driver aids was enough on its own to bother me into passing it up. I'm sure the GTS has a wider window of uses as its designed to do, but you'll just have FOMO and be right if you like driving hard and have purchased the car mainly for A to A type driving. If you're running errands, commuting in traffic, etc. then yeah GTS without buckets no question.
You can turn off the auto rev match feature on the GTS w/o also disabling the driver aids, switch it to Normal mode. That's how it is by default in Normal mode.
Quite the snob, aren’t we? Sheesh.
Is it twice as good as the DE5?
For my purposes, no
The 4.0 may have more torque, but it doesn’t sound as good as the prior 3.4.
992 GT3 RS video coming soon 👀
Here's hoping!
Try and do a back to back comparo with a 718 S/GTS and GTS 4.0..its never been done!
Check out PCA's UA-cam. They did a back to back of the 718 Cayman S (Turbo 2.5 L4) and the 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 (NA L6). Both are actually really close on performance. ua-cam.com/video/3uaiVyRTBas/v-deo.html
ok stop beating around the bush - just go get your self a 718 something something, lol
Waiting to win the lottery so I can pick up a 4RS
Hey can you do a canyon review of a mk7 gti?
I did a couple 4-5 years ago
awesome review. anyone know what road this is in vancouver?
cypress mountain
Dumb question, but no Sport Chrono on the GT4?
The Chrono Package on the GT4 is not a performance option like the non-GT cars. It just adds the clock on the dashboard and performance recording support for the track app. Some people skip it to have a cleaner look on the dash and use a separate track recording app.
It’s standard on the GTS.
Need I say it? Neither are Miata’s tho
Thank god. They are real sports cars.
The answer is always Miata!
2600 pounds is crazy. And they can still meet crash and safety requirements. Well done, Mazda. Ive always liked them.
These cars are very light, at 3000-3150 pounds….
718 GT4 all day.
Highly relevant comparison, thank you. My solution would be to take the wing off the GT4 and put GTS bumpers on. All easily reversible. Basically GTS looks, GT4 drive. Perfecto! The GT4 makes no downforce of relevance on the road, anyway, barely any in a track context either, to be frank. One thing I would say, spending lots to make a GTS more focussed makes no sense. Just buy a GT4 and tweak slightly. It's got most of the focus already and will retain value. Money spent modding the GTS will mostly if not entirely be lost.
A sleeper GT4 would be super interesting
Putting rays wheels on a GT4....good lord
Top Man Zygrene you know your s....
GT4 is a better track car and better looking car.
GTS4.0 is a better sports car.
I own a 4.0 and i agree w you for 718. However The 4.0 is just as fast as a 981 gt4 on track.
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Brother, you gotta try the Corvette C8 sound if you think the flat 6 sounds good.
I've reviewed both C8 Z51 and Z06 on the channel. They do sound amazing, but it's hard to compare V8 and H6
Or the sound of Audi’s amazing 5 cylinder. F6 sound decent but at certain rpm’s gets to tinny for me
Sorry but 4.0 is missing torque. It is not the best engine for Cayman. The best are light turbo 4 cylinders. Those best suits to Porsche philosophy
and that's why the 718 4 cylinders are so desired lol
Whoosh….
You should compare them stock...
In an ideal world. I've driven stock examples of both previously so that's baked into my comments.
@@Zygrene love your videos, mate, no hater here! But I cannot back up your statement about the GTS "sounding better"... Maybe THAT example with respect to a more or less stock GT4, but like for like the GT4 sounds better (no doubt from 7800 to 8000)... Cheers from Italy and keep up the good work! Great fan of yours!
Same interior and torque as 981. Not sure what you are looking at bra.