25:21 "How do we end the patriarchy?" Actually, the movie denies a proper answer on purpose. I'd say that in the stream of consciousness Greta Gerwig employed for writing the movie, she knew any answer would be preachy and hypocrite to the movie's themes themselves. There's honest art in avoiding any level of conclussion for one of the biggest social discussions in human history. The movie denounces the deepest issues of its times, maybe in 20 or 30 years those issues will be different, but so far the biggest acchievement in the movie is to have a proper humbleness onf such a complicated matter. Maybe in 20 or 30 years, the movie will be analized acccording to the social values of another generations that has better answers than we have today. In a way, the last scene makes a statement on women starting to appreciate womanhood on the basis of having a medical check according to genitalia (have any cis-gender male ever have been happy for an appointment with an andrologist?) that made a lot of LGBTIQ folks angry. Will that be seen as a wrong move? Will it be analyzed in a metamodern view and hence be forgiven? Who knows! Barbie Land is no place halfway towards a gender Utopia, it's a dystopic place where gender lack of equality becomes extreme and a naïve society falls short due idealism. A mayority of human societies have had some sort of patriarchy and we have no proper precedent to cultures where familiar, economic and psychological pressures, rights and duties are gender equal. In a deeply egotistical, self-righteous, individualistic capitalist society like ours, the very fact that no one has the answer IS the only honest answer.
I appreciate that you were able to dumb down the symbolism in this movie, because a lot of guys who’ve seen Barbie never get the whole point that “Ken” serves to the plot of the movie. They just see him as an incredible icon, and it’s just adding to guys that love resonating with characters that are literally making fun of them…
Sad that he has to... the symbolism was very obvious, to a degree that couldve been annoying if it wasnt tounge in cheek. Good he did it, sad to see the need for it.
@@reinhardt3090 I can’t speak for everyone, but a lot of the people I personally know that get the “kenergy” hoodies and stuff like that, don’t understand what the point of the movie is.
i love your videos, they have a good message and funny bits spliced between, it's what i look for in video essays and your videos are really well made, i hope more people find your channel
I like how you compared Allen to nonbinary people but there’s also a different view of Allen representing the entire trans community and how many of us even tho we may pass and present as one gender we might not to treated fully as it. As a trans man I relate a lot to Allen and how he technically is one of the “kens” (men) but he doesn’t fully fit in with them, he also understands Barbie’s (women) and their struggle but he isn’t one of them. Great video btw !!!
I think the patriarchy influences and shapes the ways men and women cope with their depression differently. Studies have shown that men specifically tend to gravitate towards obsessions with the gym as a coping mechanism; many men become fixated on their bodies/fitness as a means of trying to fight or hide how unhappy they are. Great video!
@nhanNguyen-wo8fy No, it's misogynistic to push the idea that men have a sensical outlet for their depression and women don't. The "yeah men fix it, women just talk about it" narrative is gross. Not only do men NEED therapy desperately, tons of women also bury themselves in work to ignore their depression too. But the gym bro hyperfixation on strength is specifically one depression coping mechanism mostly only seen in men. Nothing wrong with talking about that.
@@jijitters maybe because a strong body and being healthy just helps us get outta being depressed? It looks like we go to the gym so it can help us, actually help our health and everything, why do I wanna talk about my problems all day? Ik what my problems are, yea someone else can help with perspective but they are not u, only u can help yourself, let’s be real most women go to therapy, most men go to gym and other stuff, it’s just true
Watching ken discover patriarchy and implementing it, reminded me of watching my younger brother grow up. Were 10 years apart and i saw him change in so many ways. Hes become a great person I'm proud of, he has his issues but hes 23 and learning. Side note totally normalize calling horse boys, horse boys😂
Men don't seem to acknowledge the financial burden shift because social perception is still "men should be able to provide for their families." For all the progress we've made, there are things that still need to be changed.
14:09 what happened is that the men (who are clearly the women irl) had a rough deal by having no personality other than doting over barbie. Not saying she’s at fault but she was essentially empress. Far from a utopia.
Evaluating "Gone with the Wind" and "The Wizard of Oz" as expressions of feminism might be worth your while.'' or not... Scarlett O'Hare did her own thing in a society where the Patriarchy was no joke. The toxic environment of 19th Century Georgia and cataclysmic changes wrought by a collision between power factions produced a proudly independent woman who took what she wanted--and because the author of "Gone with the Wind" was a southern woman, the story had to end in tragedy. Scarlett worked so hard, suffered so much pain, that when she achieved what she needed she was blind to her hard-earned fortune, pursuing what she thought she wanted. Scarlett didn't lose everything, but she did lose much, as did everybody in Georgia. Dorothy was a powerless little girl growing up in Kansas. Baum--and then later an eclectic accumulation of screen writers and directors--told Dorothy's story of leaving her troubles behind and travelling to a land ruled over by four powerful women--and one fraudster who was male. All of the male characters in Oz were flawed--the Scarecrow had no brain, the Woodsman had no heart, and the Lion had no courage. The Wizard's fraud wasn't discovered by the Wicked Witch of the West or he would have been toast in seconds, so I guess the old showman knew how to run a scam. The 1939 movie omitted the Good Witch of the South and the Wicked Witch of the East basically had only a cameo. Even so, Oz was a matriarchy. Don't believe me? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marvelous_Land_of_Oz Plot spoiler--Tip is trans! Too bad that Tip wasn't featured in an MGM movie following Oz, but a bloated budget essentially made "the Wizard of Oz" a failure even with a good box office haul. Ozma was the true ruler of Oz. I don't know how much the Barbie Movie returned in profits--success makes a difference. The characters were SUPPOSED to be cardboard stereotypes--but two of the characters had developmental arcs. What would have made the movie better? I liked the inclusion of the Ghost of Ruth. Ruth Handler's role in Mattel is underappreciated. One takeaway from the Barbie Movie is we're all trapped on this world. If you need material for another review, consider the two movies mentioned above.
I felt like the part at the end that you critique wasn't an oversight as much. The Ken's not apologizing, I agree is wacky and feels like something is missing. However, the Ken's remaining with little power I interpreted as tongue in cheek. Moreso like, "If as a man you don't like that- remember, the real world still has patriarchy issues and this is a mirror of that."
I’ve always interpreted the ending of the movie where the Kens still maintained a little bit of power than the Barbie was a way to end the character arc of Ryan Gosling’s Ken. He’s the reason why the Kens were given a seat at the table in Barbie World, even though it’s only one seat. He was able establish his own identity by being the official representative for all of the Kens that gave him his own purpose in life that he’s no longer living in Barbie’s shadow.
the amount of people who refuse to examine their internalized sexism in the comment section is baffling. at this point, you're not just missing the message of the movie-you're looking at some random straw man in the background and crying blasphemy
@@reinhardt3090 , I didn't make up those words. Just because you are unfamiliar with some jargon, it doesn't mean that other people can't use them. I wasn't disagreeing with you, fyi. I was actually agreeing with you. Allosexual simply means "not asexual" i.e. generally being able to feel sexual attraction to others. Alloromantic simply means "not aromantic" i.e. generally being able to feel romantic attraction to others.
@@ishmamahmed9306bro the oppisite of asexual is just sexual no need to complicate things and unromantic is a far more common and easily understandable this is a youtube comment section not a essay
It's hilarious that you make a 30 min video breaking down Barbie's critique of patriarchy forcing men to compete with each other and draw their own value based on their ability to gain the attention of Barbies (women) and the horrible results this may lead to, but then you refer to film critics and detractors as "incels", basically devaluing their opinions based on them not being able to get the attention of women. The irony is delicious. I found you through the incest video and was planning to sub to you, but I don't think I will now.
His use of "incels" and other societally coined terms were both of irony and of extenuating a point/topic. Further, he states that he invites critiques of the movie from men, but made a clear show of the difference between intelligent analysis and "Barbie = boobies" - to which is when he made use of terms such as "incel". Not to mention - were talking about subconscious bias based on societal influence and standards, which means we all have a lot to learn, including him! So, instead of the threat of not giving a sub or watching more of his videos, why not have a conversation? Give him a chance to respond to you! To have an open dialogue about what you're saying and take it as a chance to teach and/or learn. Either way, valid comment and great discussion topic!
there are so many blatant generalisations made in this video, it's just as ridiculous as the people being criticized for not getting the point of Barbie... "Ken exemplifying typical male behaviour in relationships" excuse me, so you're saying all men are like this, like children?... "guys who like horses are cool but girls who like horses are weird", I have literally never come across anyone thinking that... "the absence of a father figure shouldn't be blaimed on the mothers" well of course in a lot of cases it's on the father but there are also a lot of cases where the mother is just as much at fault, you can't just universally indemnify all mothers and say "poor thing you've got so much on your plate, you share no responisibility, it's all on the fathers fault"
I see the point, I just don't think the approach given is a solution. All you're doing is subjugating one side or the other instead of trying to seek an accord. Why has everyone given up on love all of a sudden? It's like all men fear women and all women fear men at the same time. Absolutely bonkers.
@@Icidulon Bruh it is satiiiire. The movie is obviously saying that antogonism between the genders is bad, and that barbieland, JUST LIKE OUR WORLD, is unjust and shouldn't be that way. WHICH IMPLIES THAT THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD IS ONE WITHOUT GENDERED SUBJUGATION. Fucks sake, ''i get the point' no you clearly dont
@@s0fa_king Excuse me for not taking what's obnoxiously spoonfed to me like all other media-literate children, and instead going for the elephant in the room. Remain upset.
@@Icidulon you are getting mad at made up shit because you dont get the movie dude 😂 no amount if 'ackshually i do understand' will prove your point. "remain upset" nice projection buddy
Bro you should listen to this. I found this comment. This is real woman. The real. "You really have to be a man hater to root for the Barbies in this movie. Barbie admits she has no idea where the Kens even live, and she doesn't seem to care either. The Kens constantly work so hard to impress and earn the Barbies' attention and appreciation, and the Barbies don't care. During Barbie's dance party, all the females get amazing outfits, and all the Kens have to wear the same comparatively plain jumpsuit. The Barbies want "girls' night" every night. They don't allow the Kens any voice in Barbieland, and even during the "happy ending" the Barbies still won't allow the Kens to have equal rights and political positions within Barbieland. The Kens are oppressed so much in Barbieland that they lose their minds when they learn that in the real world men have a say in the world around them and are respected. Even when the Kens temporarily take over, their favorite thing to do is help the Barbies learn new things (which obviously is supposed to come across as mansplaining, but only seems like an effort to be helpful and nice). The Kens' major weakness is literally a female in distress and in need of help. Barbieland is the feminist fantasy world, and it is every bit as horrible as when men ran everything and women had no say in the real world. And that BS quote about how mothers stand still so their daughters can look back and see how far they've come? As a mother, I HATE THIS QUOTE WITH A PASSION. Why should I have to stand still just because I've had kids? I started a small business after having two kids, and I still managed to both raise them well AND build that business into a 6 figure income producing asset that I can pass on to my kids someday."
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video! Your clear explanations and engaging presentation style made the content easy to follow and highly informative. Keep up the great work!
I'm sorry, but what's the name of the second video essayist you mention at the ending of the video? I already follow and love Khadija Mbowe's reflections, so I got quite curious for the other one. As for your video: it's amazing! As usual. Heck, your considerations are food for thought. Especially when it's so hard to find other men who acknowledge how much of an advanced critique Barbie is-which, at the same time, fails to escape the very reality it critics.
I like the majority of your commentary and also the honesty with which you put forth your perspective, but I don't believe "equality" will solve anything, and further, I don't think subjugating or disenfranchising either group will solve such problems at all. It's good to treat people as people, and to look towards individual strengths and weaknesses before even thinking about putting people in a box to categorize them (or abuse them), but the patriarchy isn't real. It's a talisman, if you will. A scapegoat. The reality is, everyone is being subjugated at the same time for different reasons. Sometimes by themselves, sometimes by others, sometimes by the abusive people that are important to them or not. Trying to dismantle something that's a stand-in for a more complex problem is going to end with everyone involved getting hurt. And everyone has been getting hurt. A lot. Men and women are different: They have different strengths, different weaknesses, and it's fine that they're different. Hell, it's a good thing considering the advantages dimorphism brings. Attacking one aspect of these relations without addressing the fact that we are inherently different and have different advantages means you'll never truly find an accord, because what you're seeking doesn't include understanding or even a certain level of free association. You're seeking, at the end of the day, a different kind of subjugation. One to the other, or people unto themselves. It's not healthy. It's not realistic. It's not even a good idea. You pass the buck of abuse onto a later, probably more damaged generation and pat yourself on the back. It's not a societal issue, it's an individual issue backed by a lot of loveless, cultureless people who otherwise perpetuate it because they know only isolation and cultureless being. There's no top-down fix, there's no adversarial nature to it, and the problem is rooted in consistent individual ignorance coupled by inherent biological drives.
"I don't think subjugating or disenfranchising either group will solve such problems at all." You are fighting shadows my guy. No one except actual tyrants want subjugation of others. Not Andrew, not feminists and not the barbie move either. Like everyone agrees that you should treat people as individuals, i dont know why youre writing like this like youre a brave intellectual warrior bringing hard truths to the table when noone disagrees on these points. 'The patriarchy' is a hyperobject, like capitalism, climate-change, or even something like wind. It is the product of an insane amount of different processes and events, which in a macro-perspective acts like an entity that produces observable effects. But, because it is not a singular object, you can never point to and nail it down, which also makes causality establishment difficult. Just like you cannot hold the weather in your hand, yet feel the rain when it rains. In this sense, it is both real and unreal, like the weather, climate change, and even society as a general concept. You can show me lots of trees, yet you can never show me the whole forest, and you can show me lots of people, yet you can never show me society. It both does and does not exists. But we all feel the effects. The disproportionate suicide rate of men over women could easily be explained as an effect of the patriarchy. There are decades of social structure dictating that you as a man should be dangerous to get respect, and should always 'get the job done', combined with a tendency to not be vulnurable, cause if you are you are percieved as a lesser man. This leads to a lot of depressed men, well, getting the job done. As gendered norms are an essential part of what makes up this hyperobject we call the patriarchy, one would through this lense of analysis say those stats are produced, in part, by the historical and current patriarchy of western society. "Men and women are different: They have different strengths, different weaknesses, and it's fine that they're different. Hell, it's a good thing considering the advantages dimorphism brings." You are, once again, fighting shadow people and strawmen. 95% of feminists do not ignore biological or psycho-pharmalogical differences between the sexes. You know how i know? Because trans people on hormone therapy talk all the time about how differently they feel and how their bodies are changing, and noones ignores or disputes this. "Attacking one aspect of these relations without addressing the fact that we are inherently different and have different advantages means you'll never truly find an accord, because what you're seeking doesn't include understanding or even a certain level of free association. You're seeking, at the end of the day, a different kind of subjugation." This is just about nonsense. Who are attacking what relations? How are they doing it without trying to understand the other perspective? How is it done without understanding or free association? Where in Barbie or the above video do you see ANYTHING that connects to these? Really bro, this video is not about you. The amount of unrelated talking points thrown in willy nilly gives me the impression that you took this video personally, like youre trying to argue that you're not a bad person or something and have to explain your whole entire worldview and why it makes sense.
@@s0fa_king Your conclusion tells me that you're projecting. All the constructs within the movie, and the arguments made in this video derive almost exclusively from culture which we have no influence over these days because of a lack of free association. Everyone's forced to be in the same space as each-other when they're not hiding at home, and so we get animosity, resentment and isolation instead of, I dunno, anything good. If you actually wanted to attack the roots of these hyper-objects, you'd go for the source, which is individuals. Specifically, the ability to remove them from your community or include ones that are more like you and your ideals and virtues than others. Every other option leads to conflict. It doesn't sound nice, but that's reality.
@@Icidulon More brainfarts and nonsense What is 'my conclusion' and how it does it reflect projection on my part? What constructs in the movie and arguments made are you talking about, and how do you demonstrate their origin in lack of free association? How do you demonstrate that this lack of free association exists at all? Any statistics or sources? Also demonstrate how people are "forced to be in the same space as each-other", and if it is a real thing at all, why it would necessarily be a negative? Im also yet to see a demonstration how this leads to your so called social animosity and isolation. Could there be other sources? Probably. If not, i'd need to see causality established. The sources of hyperobjects are not necessarily humans either, and boiling it down to that being the source and solution shows me that you've never read or engaged with the philosophical texts describing them. If you want to learn, heres a resource: www.societyandspace.org/articles/hyperobjects-by-timothy-morton As it stands, youve said nothing but 'the world is this way cause i say so', and have also not explained how any of this relates to the barbie movie or andrews video, other than that you dont like the mention of, or engagement with, feminist ideas.
@@Icidulon It wont let me comment for some reason, so i had to make a burner, cause this is some grade a nonsense What conclusion of mine, demonstrates in what way, that i'm projecting? Which movie constructs and video arguments are you speaking of, and how do you demonstrate that their origin is almost exclusively lack of free association? How do you demonstrate that this supposed lack of free association even exists? Further, i need demonstration on how 'Everyone's forced to be in the same space as each-other'. By gun or what are we talking? Also demonstrate how this is the only source of this animosity and resentment you mention, thereby proving these relevance. Could there be other sources for these? Probably, which is why we would need to see some causality established. The source of hyperobjects are not necessarily humans, and that you try to boil it down to us being the only source and solution shows me that you've never meaningfully engaged with the philosophical texts describing them. If you'd like to learn, Timothy mortons - hyperobjects is a good resource. At this point, all you've managed to say is 'i view the world this way, and thats fact because i say so'. You've also not explained how this worldview of yours has any connection to the video in which comment section we are in, or the barbie movie for that matter, other than that you don't like feminist ideas in general.
@@SofaKingBurner "The source of hyper-objects is not necessarily humans" Absurd. Everything that isn't the natural order is humanity. It's a human problem. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away, the root is hubris and thinking one is superior to nature.
My mother, sisters and wife have been women their whole lives, and yet I’ve never seen any of them struggle or be discriminated against. In fact they’re living on easy mode. All of them married a rich guy and only go to work because they like to. And you know what crazy, even if my wife decided she doesn’t want to work and let me pay all the bills, society wouldn’t label her a lazy deadbeat or a loser.
Bell Hooks, a black woman who's been writing about feminism since the 80's, has wrote that men don't have it great under patriarchy either, they just have different issues. Men are judged by the ability to financially provide, women are judged by their ability to nurture and upkeep. A messy home, empty fridge and matters of children, the wife tends to get more of the blame. Men are cheered for having sex and lots of it, women are judged poorly for the same. If you ever been to a club single, you know the social pressure to dance with a girl. Girls can dance with each other socially, but men can feel like they can't. So some men often try to force a girl to dance with them. Men not living up to harmful social standards can be frustrating, and emotionally depressing. Instead of rejecting those standards, some men pressure or harm women so that they "had them". Men also are taught not to cry, and are taught to bottle up their emotions, except they are allowed to get angry. Women can cry, to the point where it's normal to manipulate men with them. An emotionally cold man is stoic, but an emotionally cold woman is a bitch. A man's "duty" is to protect, to the point where they're expected to hurt or even kill themselves for others. So a disabled, or frail old man feels like less of a man for not being able to so such. So some women can instigate an argument that boils up to an actual fight, and expects her boyfriend, her brothers, or any guys who she's with to fight and hurt themselves to defend her ego. Men are also expected to fight to defend their own ego too in general. Just because you never "seen" your mom or sisters discriminated against, doesn't mean they aren't. Are they expected to do more than their share of housework or parental work? Do they feel like they can go through the day without being judged for not wearing makeup? Have you ever asked them? Feminism isn't about "men bad", it's that social gendered norms can oppress and should be questioned and maybe eliminated- (though some people who call themselves "feminists" do just say "men bad" haven't actually read much or any of the philosophy)
i like your content but you have very strong political beleifs that i heavily disagree with, i hope your chanel does well but i cant watch it yours sincerely, someone who isnt a liberal
@@s0fa_king Wrong. You can call something stupid and give no explanation. The fact that you chose to not give further explanation doesn't prove anything. Nobody forces you to explain yourself in youtube comments. I can criticize something I dont like and I can leave. I owe no explanation to nobody. Now if what I am saying can be proven right or wrong that depends whether I chose to engage in an argument thread in that comment section.
I'm a Barbie boy, in a Barbie world
25:21 "How do we end the patriarchy?" Actually, the movie denies a proper answer on purpose. I'd say that in the stream of consciousness Greta Gerwig employed for writing the movie, she knew any answer would be preachy and hypocrite to the movie's themes themselves. There's honest art in avoiding any level of conclussion for one of the biggest social discussions in human history. The movie denounces the deepest issues of its times, maybe in 20 or 30 years those issues will be different, but so far the biggest acchievement in the movie is to have a proper humbleness onf such a complicated matter. Maybe in 20 or 30 years, the movie will be analized acccording to the social values of another generations that has better answers than we have today.
In a way, the last scene makes a statement on women starting to appreciate womanhood on the basis of having a medical check according to genitalia (have any cis-gender male ever have been happy for an appointment with an andrologist?) that made a lot of LGBTIQ folks angry. Will that be seen as a wrong move? Will it be analyzed in a metamodern view and hence be forgiven? Who knows!
Barbie Land is no place halfway towards a gender Utopia, it's a dystopic place where gender lack of equality becomes extreme and a naïve society falls short due idealism. A mayority of human societies have had some sort of patriarchy and we have no proper precedent to cultures where familiar, economic and psychological pressures, rights and duties are gender equal. In a deeply egotistical, self-righteous, individualistic capitalist society like ours, the very fact that no one has the answer IS the only honest answer.
I appreciate that you were able to dumb down the symbolism in this movie, because a lot of guys who’ve seen Barbie never get the whole point that “Ken” serves to the plot of the movie. They just see him as an incredible icon, and it’s just adding to guys that love resonating with characters that are literally making fun of them…
Sad that he has to... the symbolism was very obvious, to a degree that couldve been annoying if it wasnt tounge in cheek. Good he did it, sad to see the need for it.
It isn't that they don't know that the movie is trying to make fun of them, they just don't care.
@@reinhardt3090 I can’t speak for everyone, but a lot of the people I personally know that get the “kenergy” hoodies and stuff like that, don’t understand what the point of the movie is.
@@Cinema_Stan_Blake Any man getting a barbie movie shirt is stupid regardless of whether they understood the movie or not.
@@reinhardt3090I disagree. That thing is actually quite cute.
i love your videos, they have a good message and funny bits spliced between, it's what i look for in video essays and your videos are really well made, i hope more people find your channel
I like how you compared Allen to nonbinary people but there’s also a different view of Allen representing the entire trans community and how many of us even tho we may pass and present as one gender we might not to treated fully as it.
As a trans man I relate a lot to Allen and how he technically is one of the “kens” (men) but he doesn’t fully fit in with them, he also understands Barbie’s (women) and their struggle but he isn’t one of them.
Great video btw !!!
I think the patriarchy influences and shapes the ways men and women cope with their depression differently. Studies have shown that men specifically tend to gravitate towards obsessions with the gym as a coping mechanism; many men become fixated on their bodies/fitness as a means of trying to fight or hide how unhappy they are.
Great video!
@samratdas8286 You're saying psychologists are wrong because you have a misogynist view of humanity. Hm.
@@jijittersu using that word instantly just made u lose the argument it’s sad how much y’all toss that out
@@jijitters Why? Why men try to fix depression by trying to changing lifestyle work out, working on important job is misogynist?
@nhanNguyen-wo8fy No, it's misogynistic to push the idea that men have a sensical outlet for their depression and women don't. The "yeah men fix it, women just talk about it" narrative is gross. Not only do men NEED therapy desperately, tons of women also bury themselves in work to ignore their depression too. But the gym bro hyperfixation on strength is specifically one depression coping mechanism mostly only seen in men. Nothing wrong with talking about that.
@@jijitters maybe because a strong body and being healthy just helps us get outta being depressed? It looks like we go to the gym so it can help us, actually help our health and everything, why do I wanna talk about my problems all day? Ik what my problems are, yea someone else can help with perspective but they are not u, only u can help yourself, let’s be real most women go to therapy, most men go to gym and other stuff, it’s just true
Wow this is a criminally underated channel and video. Great job guy!
Watching ken discover patriarchy and implementing it, reminded me of watching my younger brother grow up. Were 10 years apart and i saw him change in so many ways. Hes become a great person I'm proud of, he has his issues but hes 23 and learning.
Side note totally normalize calling horse boys, horse boys😂
Men don't seem to acknowledge the financial burden shift because social perception is still "men should be able to provide for their families."
For all the progress we've made, there are things that still need to be changed.
14:09 what happened is that the men (who are clearly the women irl) had a rough deal by having no personality other than doting over barbie. Not saying she’s at fault but she was essentially empress. Far from a utopia.
Evaluating "Gone with the Wind" and "The Wizard of Oz" as expressions of feminism might be worth your while.''
or not...
Scarlett O'Hare did her own thing in a society where the Patriarchy was no joke. The toxic environment of 19th Century Georgia and cataclysmic changes wrought by a collision between power factions produced a proudly independent woman who took what she wanted--and because the author of "Gone with the Wind" was a southern woman, the story had to end in tragedy. Scarlett worked so hard, suffered so much pain, that when she achieved what she needed she was blind to her hard-earned fortune, pursuing what she thought she wanted. Scarlett didn't lose everything, but she did lose much, as did everybody in Georgia.
Dorothy was a powerless little girl growing up in Kansas. Baum--and then later an eclectic accumulation of screen writers and directors--told Dorothy's story of leaving her troubles behind and travelling to a land ruled over by four powerful women--and one fraudster who was male. All of the male characters in Oz were flawed--the Scarecrow had no brain, the Woodsman had no heart, and the Lion had no courage. The Wizard's fraud wasn't discovered by the Wicked Witch of the West or he would have been toast in seconds, so I guess the old showman knew how to run a scam. The 1939 movie omitted the Good Witch of the South and the Wicked Witch of the East basically had only a cameo. Even so, Oz was a matriarchy. Don't believe me?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marvelous_Land_of_Oz
Plot spoiler--Tip is trans! Too bad that Tip wasn't featured in an MGM movie following Oz, but a bloated budget essentially made "the Wizard of Oz" a failure even with a good box office haul. Ozma was the true ruler of Oz.
I don't know how much the Barbie Movie returned in profits--success makes a difference. The characters were SUPPOSED to be cardboard stereotypes--but two of the characters had developmental arcs. What would have made the movie better? I liked the inclusion of the Ghost of Ruth. Ruth Handler's role in Mattel is underappreciated. One takeaway from the Barbie Movie is we're all trapped on this world.
If you need material for another review, consider the two movies mentioned above.
I felt like the part at the end that you critique wasn't an oversight as much. The Ken's not apologizing, I agree is wacky and feels like something is missing.
However, the Ken's remaining with little power I interpreted as tongue in cheek. Moreso like, "If as a man you don't like that- remember, the real world still has patriarchy issues and this is a mirror of that."
yeah, didn't the narrator say like 'one day the kens will have as much power as women have in the real world'
I’ve always interpreted the ending of the movie where the Kens still maintained a little bit of power than the Barbie was a way to end the character arc of Ryan Gosling’s Ken. He’s the reason why the Kens were given a seat at the table in Barbie World, even though it’s only one seat. He was able establish his own identity by being the official representative for all of the Kens that gave him his own purpose in life that he’s no longer living in Barbie’s shadow.
the amount of people who refuse to examine their internalized sexism in the comment section is baffling. at this point, you're not just missing the message of the movie-you're looking at some random straw man in the background and crying blasphemy
I was confused about the outrage when I finally watched this movie earlier this year
Now I need to see the movie
this is literally such an underrated channel, bros spitting on every single video
"let go of the need to have a partner" bruhhhhhh
Getting allosexual alloromantic people to just give up is quite the bummer
@@ishmamahmed9306 bro stop making up words
@@reinhardt3090 , I didn't make up those words. Just because you are unfamiliar with some jargon, it doesn't mean that other people can't use them.
I wasn't disagreeing with you, fyi. I was actually agreeing with you.
Allosexual simply means "not asexual" i.e. generally being able to feel sexual attraction to others. Alloromantic simply means "not aromantic" i.e. generally being able to feel romantic attraction to others.
@@ishmamahmed9306 ah mb, I was just being a retard
@@ishmamahmed9306bro the oppisite of asexual is just sexual no need to complicate things
and unromantic is a far more common and easily understandable
this is a youtube comment section not a essay
It's hilarious that you make a 30 min video breaking down Barbie's critique of patriarchy forcing men to compete with each other and draw their own value based on their ability to gain the attention of Barbies (women) and the horrible results this may lead to, but then you refer to film critics and detractors as "incels", basically devaluing their opinions based on them not being able to get the attention of women. The irony is delicious.
I found you through the incest video and was planning to sub to you, but I don't think I will now.
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His use of "incels" and other societally coined terms were both of irony and of extenuating a point/topic. Further, he states that he invites critiques of the movie from men, but made a clear show of the difference between intelligent analysis and "Barbie = boobies" - to which is when he made use of terms such as "incel".
Not to mention - were talking about subconscious bias based on societal influence and standards, which means we all have a lot to learn, including him! So, instead of the threat of not giving a sub or watching more of his videos, why not have a conversation? Give him a chance to respond to you! To have an open dialogue about what you're saying and take it as a chance to teach and/or learn.
Either way, valid comment and great discussion topic!
I also unsubbed.
horses are greeeeat
there are so many blatant generalisations made in this video, it's just as ridiculous as the people being criticized for not getting the point of Barbie... "Ken exemplifying typical male behaviour in relationships" excuse me, so you're saying all men are like this, like children?... "guys who like horses are cool but girls who like horses are weird", I have literally never come across anyone thinking that... "the absence of a father figure shouldn't be blaimed on the mothers" well of course in a lot of cases it's on the father but there are also a lot of cases where the mother is just as much at fault, you can't just universally indemnify all mothers and say "poor thing you've got so much on your plate, you share no responisibility, it's all on the fathers fault"
Bruh, the comment section here is so insufferable, so many misogynist missing the point
I see the point, I just don't think the approach given is a solution. All you're doing is subjugating one side or the other instead of trying to seek an accord.
Why has everyone given up on love all of a sudden? It's like all men fear women and all women fear men at the same time.
Absolutely bonkers.
@@Icidulon Bruh it is satiiiire. The movie is obviously saying that antogonism between the genders is bad, and that barbieland, JUST LIKE OUR WORLD, is unjust and shouldn't be that way. WHICH IMPLIES THAT THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD IS ONE WITHOUT GENDERED SUBJUGATION.
Fucks sake, ''i get the point' no you clearly dont
Absolutely crazy... Literally on the media literacy level of small children
@@s0fa_king Excuse me for not taking what's obnoxiously spoonfed to me like all other media-literate children, and instead going for the elephant in the room.
Remain upset.
@@Icidulon you are getting mad at made up shit because you dont get the movie dude 😂 no amount if 'ackshually i do understand' will prove your point.
"remain upset" nice projection buddy
Reality for males must be some kind of wild shroom trip 😂
Bro you should listen to this. I found this comment. This is real woman. The real.
"You really have to be a man hater to root for the Barbies in this movie. Barbie admits she has no idea where the Kens even live, and she doesn't seem to care either. The Kens constantly work so hard to impress and earn the Barbies' attention and appreciation, and the Barbies don't care. During Barbie's dance party, all the females get amazing outfits, and all the Kens have to wear the same comparatively plain jumpsuit. The Barbies want "girls' night" every night. They don't allow the Kens any voice in Barbieland, and even during the "happy ending" the Barbies still won't allow the Kens to have equal rights and political positions within Barbieland.
The Kens are oppressed so much in Barbieland that they lose their minds when they learn that in the real world men have a say in the world around them and are respected. Even when the Kens temporarily take over, their favorite thing to do is help the Barbies learn new things (which obviously is supposed to come across as mansplaining, but only seems like an effort to be helpful and nice). The Kens' major weakness is literally a female in distress and in need of help.
Barbieland is the feminist fantasy world, and it is every bit as horrible as when men ran everything and women had no say in the real world. And that BS quote about how mothers stand still so their daughters can look back and see how far they've come? As a mother, I HATE THIS QUOTE WITH A PASSION. Why should I have to stand still just because I've had kids? I started a small business after having two kids, and I still managed to both raise them well AND build that business into a 6 figure income producing asset that I can pass on to my kids someday."
Hey everone! Look a this goober over here! they've never encountered satire before and interprets it seriously!
Real.
@@s0fa_king your denial is insane. 😆
@@nhanNguyen-wo8fy it was in reference to the comment you copied, not necessarily you (cant figure out if you agree or not)
@@s0fa_king I can feel the soul of a good mother in her words.
Are you sure you understand "satire"?
Barbie land is not a patriarchy. It’s a matriarchy change my mind xd
This is amazing. Please keep doing what you're doing
take a shot every time he says patriarchy and you'd be wasted in the first two minutes
Not great script writing.
watched the whole video. Bad Video.
This man is a narcissist and a bully.
Hey. I really like your analysis of the movie. What is your take on oscar snub?
I feel that movie is good but not a cinematic masterpiece.
L Barbie movie but Barbie's FAIRY TOPIA was GOD TIER of a Barbie
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video! Your clear explanations and engaging presentation style made the content easy to follow and highly informative. Keep up the great work!
I'm sorry, but what's the name of the second video essayist you mention at the ending of the video? I already follow and love Khadija Mbowe's reflections, so I got quite curious for the other one. As for your video: it's amazing! As usual. Heck, your considerations are food for thought. Especially when it's so hard to find other men who acknowledge how much of an advanced critique Barbie is-which, at the same time, fails to escape the very reality it critics.
you did well on this man
I like the majority of your commentary and also the honesty with which you put forth your perspective, but I don't believe "equality" will solve anything, and further, I don't think subjugating or disenfranchising either group will solve such problems at all. It's good to treat people as people, and to look towards individual strengths and weaknesses before even thinking about putting people in a box to categorize them (or abuse them), but the patriarchy isn't real. It's a talisman, if you will. A scapegoat.
The reality is, everyone is being subjugated at the same time for different reasons. Sometimes by themselves, sometimes by others, sometimes by the abusive people that are important to them or not.
Trying to dismantle something that's a stand-in for a more complex problem is going to end with everyone involved getting hurt. And everyone has been getting hurt. A lot. Men and women are different: They have different strengths, different weaknesses, and it's fine that they're different. Hell, it's a good thing considering the advantages dimorphism brings. Attacking one aspect of these relations without addressing the fact that we are inherently different and have different advantages means you'll never truly find an accord, because what you're seeking doesn't include understanding or even a certain level of free association. You're seeking, at the end of the day, a different kind of subjugation. One to the other, or people unto themselves. It's not healthy. It's not realistic. It's not even a good idea.
You pass the buck of abuse onto a later, probably more damaged generation and pat yourself on the back. It's not a societal issue, it's an individual issue backed by a lot of loveless, cultureless people who otherwise perpetuate it because they know only isolation and cultureless being. There's no top-down fix, there's no adversarial nature to it, and the problem is rooted in consistent individual ignorance coupled by inherent biological drives.
"I don't think subjugating or disenfranchising either group will solve such problems at all." You are fighting shadows my guy. No one except actual tyrants want subjugation of others. Not Andrew, not feminists and not the barbie move either.
Like everyone agrees that you should treat people as individuals, i dont know why youre writing like this like youre a brave intellectual warrior bringing hard truths to the table when noone disagrees on these points.
'The patriarchy' is a hyperobject, like capitalism, climate-change, or even something like wind. It is the product of an insane amount of different processes and events, which in a macro-perspective acts like an entity that produces observable effects. But, because it is not a singular object, you can never point to and nail it down, which also makes causality establishment difficult. Just like you cannot hold the weather in your hand, yet feel the rain when it rains. In this sense, it is both real and unreal, like the weather, climate change, and even society as a general concept. You can show me lots of trees, yet you can never show me the whole forest, and you can show me lots of people, yet you can never show me society.
It both does and does not exists. But we all feel the effects. The disproportionate suicide rate of men over women could easily be explained as an effect of the patriarchy. There are decades of social structure dictating that you as a man should be dangerous to get respect, and should always 'get the job done', combined with a tendency to not be vulnurable, cause if you are you are percieved as a lesser man. This leads to a lot of depressed men, well, getting the job done. As gendered norms are an essential part of what makes up this hyperobject we call the patriarchy, one would through this lense of analysis say those stats are produced, in part, by the historical and current patriarchy of western society.
"Men and women are different: They have different strengths, different weaknesses, and it's fine that they're different. Hell, it's a good thing considering the advantages dimorphism brings."
You are, once again, fighting shadow people and strawmen. 95% of feminists do not ignore biological or psycho-pharmalogical differences between the sexes. You know how i know? Because trans people on hormone therapy talk all the time about how differently they feel and how their bodies are changing, and noones ignores or disputes this.
"Attacking one aspect of these relations without addressing the fact that we are inherently different and have different advantages means you'll never truly find an accord, because what you're seeking doesn't include understanding or even a certain level of free association. You're seeking, at the end of the day, a different kind of subjugation."
This is just about nonsense. Who are attacking what relations? How are they doing it without trying to understand the other perspective? How is it done without understanding or free association? Where in Barbie or the above video do you see ANYTHING that connects to these?
Really bro, this video is not about you. The amount of unrelated talking points thrown in willy nilly gives me the impression that you took this video personally, like youre trying to argue that you're not a bad person or something and have to explain your whole entire worldview and why it makes sense.
@@s0fa_king Your conclusion tells me that you're projecting. All the constructs within the movie, and the arguments made in this video derive almost exclusively from culture which we have no influence over these days because of a lack of free association. Everyone's forced to be in the same space as each-other when they're not hiding at home, and so we get animosity, resentment and isolation instead of, I dunno, anything good.
If you actually wanted to attack the roots of these hyper-objects, you'd go for the source, which is individuals. Specifically, the ability to remove them from your community or include ones that are more like you and your ideals and virtues than others.
Every other option leads to conflict. It doesn't sound nice, but that's reality.
@@Icidulon More brainfarts and nonsense
What is 'my conclusion' and how it does it reflect projection on my part? What constructs in the movie and arguments made are you talking about, and how do you demonstrate their origin in lack of free association? How do you demonstrate that this lack of free association exists at all? Any statistics or sources? Also demonstrate how people are "forced to be in the same space as each-other", and if it is a real thing at all, why it would necessarily be a negative? Im also yet to see a demonstration how this leads to your so called social animosity and isolation. Could there be other sources? Probably. If not, i'd need to see causality established.
The sources of hyperobjects are not necessarily humans either, and boiling it down to that being the source and solution shows me that you've never read or engaged with the philosophical texts describing them. If you want to learn, heres a resource: www.societyandspace.org/articles/hyperobjects-by-timothy-morton
As it stands, youve said nothing but 'the world is this way cause i say so', and have also not explained how any of this relates to the barbie movie or andrews video, other than that you dont like the mention of, or engagement with, feminist ideas.
@@Icidulon It wont let me comment for some reason, so i had to make a burner, cause this is some grade a nonsense
What conclusion of mine, demonstrates in what way, that i'm projecting? Which movie constructs and video arguments are you speaking of, and how do you demonstrate that their origin is almost exclusively lack of free association? How do you demonstrate that this supposed lack of free association even exists? Further, i need demonstration on how 'Everyone's forced to be in the same space as each-other'. By gun or what are we talking? Also demonstrate how this is the only source of this animosity and resentment you mention, thereby proving these relevance. Could there be other sources for these? Probably, which is why we would need to see some causality established.
The source of hyperobjects are not necessarily humans, and that you try to boil it down to us being the only source and solution shows me that you've never meaningfully engaged with the philosophical texts describing them. If you'd like to learn, Timothy mortons - hyperobjects is a good resource.
At this point, all you've managed to say is 'i view the world this way, and thats fact because i say so'. You've also not explained how this worldview of yours has any connection to the video in which comment section we are in, or the barbie movie for that matter, other than that you don't like feminist ideas in general.
@@SofaKingBurner "The source of hyper-objects is not necessarily humans"
Absurd. Everything that isn't the natural order is humanity. It's a human problem. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away, the root is hubris and thinking one is superior to nature.
My mother, sisters and wife have been women their whole lives, and yet I’ve never seen any of them struggle or be discriminated against. In fact they’re living on easy mode. All of them married a rich guy and only go to work because they like to. And you know what crazy, even if my wife decided she doesn’t want to work and let me pay all the bills, society wouldn’t label her a lazy deadbeat or a loser.
Bell Hooks, a black woman who's been writing about feminism since the 80's, has wrote that men don't have it great under patriarchy either, they just have different issues. Men are judged by the ability to financially provide, women are judged by their ability to nurture and upkeep. A messy home, empty fridge and matters of children, the wife tends to get more of the blame. Men are cheered for having sex and lots of it, women are judged poorly for the same. If you ever been to a club single, you know the social pressure to dance with a girl. Girls can dance with each other socially, but men can feel like they can't. So some men often try to force a girl to dance with them. Men not living up to harmful social standards can be frustrating, and emotionally depressing. Instead of rejecting those standards, some men pressure or harm women so that they "had them".
Men also are taught not to cry, and are taught to bottle up their emotions, except they are allowed to get angry. Women can cry, to the point where it's normal to manipulate men with them. An emotionally cold man is stoic, but an emotionally cold woman is a bitch. A man's "duty" is to protect, to the point where they're expected to hurt or even kill themselves for others. So a disabled, or frail old man feels like less of a man for not being able to so such. So some women can instigate an argument that boils up to an actual fight, and expects her boyfriend, her brothers, or any guys who she's with to fight and hurt themselves to defend her ego. Men are also expected to fight to defend their own ego too in general.
Just because you never "seen" your mom or sisters discriminated against, doesn't mean they aren't. Are they expected to do more than their share of housework or parental work? Do they feel like they can go through the day without being judged for not wearing makeup? Have you ever asked them?
Feminism isn't about "men bad", it's that social gendered norms can oppress and should be questioned and maybe eliminated- (though some people who call themselves "feminists" do just say "men bad" haven't actually read much or any of the philosophy)
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literally me ken
No he's not that memes getting old
This movie is unrealistic! The black Ken should be getting all the Barbies.
I hated the movie and I’m a female… I cringed when i went to go see it and my boyfriend ended up liking it…
No way your a woman, what type of gal calls herself female???
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He must've love Playing stupid Barbie dolls then
AMAZING CHANNEL
Yes yes, women good men bad, as always
Nice strawman! How long did it take you to build that?
@@s0fa_king wtf is a strawman
@@johnthebutse32 >wtf is a strawman
This is the most based thing I have heard in months. Godspeed!
@@khata1169 how is being extremely ignorant based? It's just a logical fallacy.
@@reinhardt3090 Not knowing a term doesn't make you ignorant on the topic.
nah, this is just cringe, dislike
i like your content but you have very strong political beleifs that i heavily disagree with, i hope your chanel does well but i cant watch it
yours sincerely, someone who isnt a liberal
Seriously.
The women at my job make several hundred dollars a day. I make half that in a week; but let's focus on fighting the patriarchy.
Wow this was stupid
To me, the movie was just boring.
Tell me you missed the point, without telling me you missed the point
@@miguelarias5000and how?
Saying something is stupid without explaining or qualifiying at all is the brain level 5 year olds operate on. Congrats!
@@s0fa_king Wrong. You can call something stupid and give no explanation. The fact that you chose to not give further explanation doesn't prove anything. Nobody forces you to explain yourself in youtube comments. I can criticize something I dont like and I can leave. I owe no explanation to nobody. Now if what I am saying can be proven right or wrong that depends whether I chose to engage in an argument thread in that comment section.
he is not funny