The Urban Laboratory in the Desert | Supported by Marriott Bonvoy
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Arcosanti is a countercultural exploration of what the world might look like if we built our lives with nature, rather than over it. From ambient heating and cooling to an artisan community influenced by local landscapes, this “urban laboratory” is a prototype for a society that exists in harmony with nature.
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I was on a road trip with my 6 year old in the mid 1980's & we stumbled upon this magical place out in the middle of nowhere when we were searching for some space station experimental lab out in the same area. It was closed to the public, so we continued on & spotted Arcosanti! It was smaller in those days & only had a few students living there & making bells to sell to the public. I seem to remember that they only had 8-10 sets of hanging bells & they were out of my price range. I did get some nice photos & the original house & pool were in a state of disrepair. It's wonderful that they were able to bring it back to life & get it back on it's feet again. We were the only visitors that day & I do remember having a small meal & a cool drink in their tower room that had exceptional breezes wafting through it on a 105 degree day without air conditioning or any other type of cooling system. The use of portholes & movable metal shades over the windows worked so well to keep the concrete building cool! The outdoor theater was the special feature with the bold colors & large graphic designs. It was a memorable day. One I have never forgotten, so thank you for showing it in it's present day state. I doubt I will ever be able to travel there again.
Nice memory, thanks for sharing! I've never been there, but you just reminded me of a similar place I've gone before. My dad and I drove into Luckenbach, Texas once and had a beer. It's the smallest town in Texas. Basically just a parking lot, a concert venue and a gift shop. Lol, but has lots of history. We bought the Waylon Jennings album with the song "Luckenbach Texas" on it. And listened the whole drive home 😊
You must have been looking for biosphere 2.
I lived there for five years. My apartment overlooked the amphitheater, and I ran the workshop and educational programs. My quick comments: 1) Imagine if the Jetsons and the Flintstones invited their Dead Head buddies over. 2) Living there is a great and unique experience better than most living, but just by the nature of the place it has its limits, idepending on how your life interacts with those limits it can be great, or it can suck. For most people a year seemed good, then about 4-5 years seems to be the next hump, the one longer than that tend to stay and raise kids and stuff. 3) speaking of kids, I lived in other communities as well. All in all I would say community living seems GREAT for kids under 10. Once kids start approaching their teens, it starts getting very iffy, however I have a few friends who literally grew up at Arcosanti and they all look back on their childhood thre very fondly. 4) While Arco is hardly perfect, I can see the fingerprints Arcosanti has had for example: The Burton Barr Library in Phoenix was desigend by an arco alum. Architects Jon jerdi and Ken yeang were inspired by Paolo's work. I can tell you in the year 1999 there were NO schools in America with a sustainable design program, by 2010 every major university had one, and I know for a fact that is in LARGE part due to Arcosanti alumni. So while there are aspects of it that truly suck, the place is awesome, and is still impacting society around us in subtle ways. I'm not just saying that, keep your eyes open over teh next few years.
How to you apply to live there?
Growing your own food and building things from the ground up as a community is the best.
Don’t be a smart ass
Haha I laughed out loud at this. Remember when Vice actually used to actually JOURNALISM?! I miss those days when they were bad ass.. now it's just smelly hippies that make bells in their laboratory.
230% agree
yeah , you should also see auroville ☮
@@jsweizston5410 yeah, its way better when media exclusively reinforces the panera suburbs as if there was literally no other way of living to consider.
Commune is different from cult. You're not brainwashed to be there. It's your choice to take part in the community and have the experience you wish to have. They are not praising a person, they are immersing themselves in the culture & nature
Unless that's what they want you to think. DUM DUM DUM
Until the leader turns all the members into their personal harem
Free choice is an oxymoron, choice is per definition never free. You are always constrained by external circumstances and internal motivations, to quote Schoppenhauer there is nothing more determined than free will.
If this was *1969,* they'd be praising Charles Manson.
@@Euclides287 So, you're saying that every hippie commune in the 60s and 70s followed Charles Manson?
It's a modern commune.
Which isn't inherently a bad thing, there's lots of experiments that can be done there, lots of stuff to learn and do. It can be nice for people who fits well in those sorts of jobs and for that type of living and culture.
But ultimately, it fails to scale. And it can potentially go very wrong depending on the people who are there.
What's the problem, you might ask. The same problem of every other commune that ever existed: you are either letting go of several modern conveniences and conventions, or you are necessarily taking funds from outside to keep things going. Or, as it is in the vast majority of cases, usually both. And yes, modern societies have a whole lot of problems in exchange for those conveniences and conventions, but they work specially for big cities and whatnot, and an arcology or commune like structure will never replace it.
Another big problem is highlighted right close to the end of the video - it's a selective group. You have to bring something there to be accepted, and you probably need to fullfill some sort of role. If you can't, you're out. Which is super convenient, but not exactly how societies work.
Most commune systems will only work up to a certain number of people (think tribes), with certain types of people, and much like tribes it can easily turn into a cult with the wrong leadership. It also usually has a very limited output, it cannot go past a certain technological level, and it cannot muster the level of research and development of modern societies - because that usually relies on global scale exchanges and contributions nowadays.
What people living in communes usually get wrong is that they are serving as model for societies... it's more like they are a product of modern societies and they can only live because of them. I'm not saying it's wrong for them to do it, but to be more careful on what you preach.
The two major sources of income I usually see in longstanding communes is some sort of artisanal production or stuff like organic farming, plus donations and an NGO setup or a funding for research and lab work setup, which can only be sustained by modern societies. Cut off all connections with modern societies, things start doing downhill super fast.
They are also often reliant on stuff that only modern societies can keep up - electricity, Internet, modern pumbling, those solar panels, big screen TVs, the Pyrex jar the kid is using, the bench drill press they are using to make those bells, or several products of those industries. A whole ton of the architecture done in the place, the design work, vehicles these people drive, tools they use for work, and a bunch of other stuff involved simply cannot be done in a structure like one of those arcologies or communes in general. It's all dependant on mass production, modern industries that can only exist in modern society setups.
It's great that people can live like that if they are happy there, and perhaps a better alternative for lots of people who are suffering in urban environments these days, but it is important not to become blind to the fact that they can only live like that if there is a modern society background to keep it up. It is a priviledge of sorts.
So yeah.... on an individual level, sure. People can move in setups like arcologies and live pretty well if it fits their worldview. But no, this isn't a model of future societies. This is a model of how more people could live in the future, if modern societies continue to evolve and have enough resources to sustain that method of living. And it is highly dependant on the products of that modern societies that people in communes are often saying they left behind, or shunning in some way.
excellent summary, thank you.
Think of it this way: communes could be a model to replace suburbs around cities, encouraging interaction and reducing environmental impact, and decentralize the power grid as city infrastructure changes to be more sustainable.
So a laboratory specializing in bronze bells and clay pots
lmao
Dan -Horsenwelles- Williams bronze bells, clay pots, mud sided houses, much better stuff to leave behind for folks or whatever to find ages hence, as we find them from thousands of years ago today. Much more practical and almost as long lasting as much of what we create and consume today in the United States.
W
We been making pots BC
I quit watching after about 3 minutes when I realized they‘re just abunch of hipsters that went into the dessert to claim they’re the peaceful civilization. Don’t worry I’m sure we’ll see them on the news in a few years when they decide to become a cult like most of these groups do.😂
When does the Netflix series premiere?
The video: alternative living style
The comments: no one knows what a cult is
that's how it starts then they will drink the cherry flavor kool aid.
"Alternative living style"... that's what all cults say
I kinda wanna join this cult! Beats Christianity any day
@@djbigjavi66 flavor-aid
There is a vast difference between a cult and a commune.
Wow this place is where i need to be. It is making my heart sing
Don't just think about it - go - either visit for a day, stay overnight in the Sky Suite, or take a workshop. I did Seminar Week back in Summer of 1995, and loved it. Visited in Spring 2012 for an overnight stay, and enjoyed reliving the memories.
I actually wouldn’t mind living there. To be apart of a community like that would be a dream.
Amazing architecture by Paolo Soleri. It’s common for architects to envision a utopian ideology but never ever be able to test it out ,so salute to Paolo for being brave enough to attempt a utopian commune
Cool! Seems like a nice place with positive people. Don’t mind the haters in the comments.
People: *talks about sustainability*
Video: *shows happy passionate people talking about sustainability*
Sustainability:
Here we get a rare sighting of a wholesome vice video, once thaught extinct..
My daughter did an internship at Arcosanti...it changed her life. If I win the lottery, I will give the money to them!
I went there back in the late 90s
I have that book, I lucked upon it in an old dusty bookstore and I knew I found something fascinating. I had no idea there was a real place associated.
this all looks really good packaged as a 10 min minidoc, but why do i keep smelling bleach and surf wax
I wanted to live here for a while back in the '80s- '90s but never got the chance. I've never even visited. I'll have to get there soon.
communal living at it's best, love it!
Once again there is a small, elderly, Japanese man at the center of all this.
Italian
I actually love this ...this is how we all should live growing our own food staying in peaceful place and working to help our community 😩✨💕☀️
yeah ☮
Who are their main financial backers?
I seriously wanna start my own commune in the woods somewhere. Just live and work together and support one another. Try to be as self-sustaining as possible.
Absolutely beautiful. I'm not sure though if I'd call the community self sustaining if they receive funds and food from the outside. I'm not sure about sustainability of the water source either.
To do agriculture in a desert is about using grondwater that dosent reproduce itself fast enough. So its not really sustainable.
Then create a drought tolerant food forest. Shade preserves moisture and as soil conditions improve water holding capacity increases exponentially. Try looking at permaculture
Southern CA is a desert environment we’ve been producing food for America for 100 years
but the project isn't free, so they placed in an area where the land was nearly free, sacrifices are made
not true farmers in Mexico have been doing this for hundreds of years with less water than these people.
I’ve probably attempted to make the hour trip out there 5 times now and I just keep failing. Maybe after this.
The TacomaKid you just did it so let me know 👍🏽
illyounotme thank you I was looking awhile back I see that they often host concerts and dinners out there I will need to look for one coming up!
very chill spot. can't wait to get back out there!
It's beautiful
I’d love to live in a place like this
Can anyone provide the music/setlist?
Very good journalism. Keep up the good work. Love from Islamabad Pakistan to the world🇵🇰
Wish I stumbled on that place before I got so domesticated.
Hi! Serious question here, how does schooling work for kids from 5/6 to high school ?
The architecture is dope.
I’ve been here it’s in Arizona really cool
I dont get the weird vibes of this being a cult, but i still do get some sort of weird vibes out of this. Is it the future? Is it some sort of experiment? Like from where do they get the funds to do all of this? Even by selling bells, who is funding them? How are these people staying and why do they choose to stay? What's going on behind doors? What do they learn in this place? SO MANY QUESTIONS
Please share the music used around 06:00 onwards, I need this.
Puscifer rocked this joint! Much love!
i used to intern for Paolo Soleri @ the cosanti foundation- it was all foundry work- cool as hell- paolo would usually be seen shirt off riding his bike in afternoon- i think at the time he was also giving discussions during the week, not sure though- one cool memory of that place of many was paolo sent his assistant over to me one afternoon and asked if i would mind if he asked to paint a nude pic of my gf at the time!? damn i miss that gal
I would love to check that place out sometime.
I also have a lab hidden in my room
lmaoo drop me a sample bro
I did my workshop in March 1996 and stayed an extra month. Went back for an additional 6 months in 1998. Through the decades, I find it amazing how much of an impact those experiences shaped me, even though it only comprised of 8 months of my existence.
Thats one of the communities in Fallout 4
So y'all want to be amish but with technology lol
Well that wouldn't be Amish it all, would it? I think what you thinking of is Mennonites.
I mean, that's more realistic and socially friendly than being Amish these days. You don't have to cut yourself off from the rest of the world as much.
What a beautiful world we live on
That's the meaning of it after all 🌎
Meaning? what is this meaning you speak of??
Tim Bell! Articulate and kind! Arcosanti is a great place! Visit!
Looks quite cool
I bet everything in my wallet if this urban laboratory gets enough fame it will turn into a resort and become what they aim not to become.
A la capitalistic end-point greed. The sociology of human impulse. With growth, they're bound to face the challenge indeed.
"sponsored by Marriott"
It seems like one of those utopistic socialist villages back at the beginning of socialism itself... Kinda cool actually.
This kind of shows a hint of what a not for profit society may look like, much more compelling for me than the current uber capitalistic one most of us live in.
Whatever happened to the prototype city built into one giant mega structure that Soleri was advocating at Arcosanti? It's like 0.1% ever actually got built. Just saying. Not being judgmental.
Norman Mattson - I believe it’s still being built, just slowly. (Think of Antoni Gaudí, and his _Sagrada Familia_ cathedral, construction for which began in Barcelona in 1882… and is ongoing!) There are other Arcosanti videos on UA-cam, and some of them elaborate a little further on the envisioned timeline. While I’m anxious to see the finished project too (although how do we know when a city is finished?) I imagine a city - meaning a community, not just buildings - has to be developed somewhat slowly, especially one that’s a sort of work-share community, so that ideas can germinate into ideals and then into a solid community ethos. I’m frankly interested in planting the seeds of a city myself, I have a location, but it’s in a totally different climate than Arizona’s and would require some radically different solutions in order to reach similar fruition.
Awesome and beautifull
Just beautiful! Going back to the iron/bronze age....but with machinery. Do you guys need TV’s though? Lovely community!🙏🏼❤️👍🏼🍀
Vice headquarter
Vice headquarters is in nyc, ya big dummy
6:23 well, i was born in november 1994. easy math. 24 years.
That’s the Vice I like
Somebody please explain to me how this is a cult
i miss the old vice
Basically a monastery, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox monks/nuns have been doing this for 2000 years roughly.
COOL
luv the idea of paying homage to the Ancient Egyptian's through which Horus 👁 would be proud!!👌🙏
This makes me want to watch that Futurama episode Obsolutely Fabulous
So they want... socialism?
Or corpratism
Oh my god, fuck off with this bullshit. So tired of politically charged drivel. I need to just stop reading comments on everything.
Can I come?
Dope
Ive Been there
Where do i sign up
Cumbaya
Pretty easy to have a tribal utopia when you're able to select your residents based on the needs of the community. It's like a small scale communism. Gotta wonder, if someone turns into a deadbeat, is there a tribal meeting where their flame gets snuffed?
So what does the rest of society do with deadbeats? Leave them to rot on the streets? What do you think tribes used to do pre civilisation? They looked after a person and helped them to get back on their feet, that's what community is for, when you know that homeless "deadbeat", you don't leave them to rot because you care for them.
By what your saying, is it better in a capitalist society to just let the disabled, mentally ill, and elderly die? That's the most economically productive method.
That tends to be the dark side of intentional communities... you tend to end up with defacto leaders who decide who is in and who is out, even when they are officially democratic. So getting kicked out or not really ends up depending on how much the people with influence like you.
@Joe Cramp: Not saying to leave them out in the streets. There's a critical mass point where the deadbeats could drag the productive down having to take care of them. It'd be impractical for say a 1:5 productive :care-needing in any society. It really touches on Utilitarianism. If one's worth is only measured by their productivity in the commune, then it's a much shorter leash to shape up or ship out. I'd be willing to bet they don't have any severely handicapped or heroine addicts living here.
6:55 well, you are living in the dessert. That's why you are isolated in the first place
A classic hippie commune with skills still in existence. Cool.
@illyounotme true. More like a commune with urban goals, education and skills to promote sustainability. Nix the hippie part.
What type of lab?? In which desert??? Obviously not important.
ReaptheWhirlwind I’m sorry but are you illiterate? 1:53
Ya see the problem is the world can't operate a bunch of small communes.
You know vice in in bad shape when BUZZ FEED of all things made a better video than vice on a subject LOL
fucking awesome
I thought it would be a cool laboratory researching base in the desert, but it's just a hippie town? No idea why they called it laboratory but okay. It's not bad, there are many places in the world like this, but I was expecting more, like making their own clothes from scratch and stuff, making their own wool etc. Skills like that are so cool to see, but it was an alright video. Still find it ridiculous that the title says laboratory when it's just a living space selling pots and bells
I know someone who goes to a music festival there every year to do acid and listen to shitty music. I didn’t know it was a community like this, hopefully it doesn’t get ruined like burning man
Do they have internet though?
yes
This place is 99 percent invisible.
Hello everybody welcome to my world
TOP 10 BUZZ PRANK COMPILATION what?
So basically modern hippies but instead of bead selling they sell bronze bells and clay pots...😂😂
Way more useful
Soooo an artist commune
So what happens when they need a doctor or a dentist. When they need surgery or get a really bad cut? Do they have to drive 90 minutes? How do the people afford new clothes socks under ware, shoes, a toothbrush or feminine products? I still have so many questions.
No One:
Me: Well, I know where I'm headed when the zombie apocalypse happens
when experimenting with the success of a certain community you can't judge success without considering how people who choose not to live in that community would react. Someone who lives and chooses to live in a traditional, per se, the city would react completely differently to this type of society than someone who chooses to live here. Availability biased... just consider it when you view this
Bunch of people here don't know the difference between a cult and community.
Often a fine line to distinguish the details.
Either way this ain't my kinda thing, don't like the vibe of pretentiousness it gives off.
Cyber Cat pretty sure people who are saying cult are doing it as trolling pretty obvious
Dreamstate people actually thinking they are serious is worse
That's what all cults say
Best base for apocalypse?
This seems like a cutscene and level from Hitman 2
Next waco texas
I can see Tempe hippies flooding this place.
God I hope not. This kind of living is an important outlook into what the future might actually look like and deserves critical thinking, not just mindless occupation by hippies lol. Peace and love to you hippies though, don't be *too* lazy.
Sounds really cool. Especially when you're a community that gets to choose whose allowed to live amongst you. It said you can only be a resident if you can bring a special skill. I'm not hating but if certain people said that same thing it could be painted contrary to beautiful and progressive.
.. what it would be like on other planets huh? Hahaha Yeah, make bronze bells on Mars. 🤣 That'll really help the massive amount of engineering it would take for a colony there. Obviously people who go to Mars will take very little with them and have to live minimalist. However they will take with them extrodinary knowledge and technical know-how which they learned in CIVILIZATION.!! Hahahaha 😂
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with living minimalist, self sustainable ecologically friendly, naturalist, or nomadic lifestyle. I could see how that can be a beautiful thing philosophically. Let's be real people, it wasn't the hippies who contributed to going to the moon.
If you rewatch that part you can see that he is talking about using ecology and architecture in space not using this site as a prototype for life on mars
Tim Bell love what you guys are doing man. People talk about how its ineffective whilst they sit at home contributing to the destruction of the planet.
Id love to live there it's a bit like a hipster heaven
A laboratory or an art studio???
I can smell the Patchouli from here.
I stole a merriot bonvoy black card when i worked at the sheraton. Looks like I know where im going.
Where are the old people? What happens to them when they get Very old, near death? Very important to know what happens to octogenarians. I don’t see any nursing homes or a mortuary.
Jesus, really diving into the deep end with these questions here lol. Small steps man, there are like only a handful of people there.
@Tim Bell The "reality of living in a community" is to be kicked out when you become too much of a burden on the community, that's harsh.
Puscifer brought me here.
Even me
Thanks a lot vice for something good. Dunno how many times I’ve been on edge of unsubscribing.