NA Has Hit Rock Bottom
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2022
- We’ve always wondered what rock bottom feels like as fans of North American League of Legends - and now we know.
North America is out of Worlds at the group stage once again - but with a combined score of 3 wins and 15 losses, this is literally the worst year yet…
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As the saying goes :
Our expectations were low, but holy shit.
my expectation was another 0-6 NA team. That never happened so, take the small win.
As the saying goes:
NA = Near Airport.
Don't lose hope ... NA can get the 0-18 next year
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I remember back in s3 there was a eu vs na rivarly. O man i stopped caring for na lcs; always getting stomped every year so i dnt even bother watching it anymore. We are truly the wildcard region
@@Astelch no even wildcards beat you up lmao.
the dream :D
Nonsense, the 0-18 dream is still around a year away from happening
Let's gooo!!! 2023 is the year babyyyyy!
😂😂😂😂😂
this comment made my day 😂😂😂😂
Quite frankly, I want more! 0-24 RIOT LETS GO
is that 18 Ws or Ls?
Some teams just had to ruin the 0-18 run smh.
We could have been great.
Well, at least it's all of them this year...
i’m sayin 😒
By some teams u mean EU? Cus they choke in week 2
I mean... its C9 for a reason.... they limit it on 9 lose streak🤣
I Love NA league, they make me think i too could be a pro as long as I work hard and keep losing
no need to work hard, just lose hard
@@blindeyes404 work to lose hard
Just be good to hype the crowd with a tweet about how would you beat a stronger team and then proceed to be utterly destroyed by that said team and repeat
Lose game win fame.
@@J................... lose game, lose more fame
l think if we pitted the best 4 Na teams against the last 4 LCK teams l think that would be a better show to watch
Yah there is a high chance that all the NA teams will be demolish by LCK teams
Would make it even more embarrassing lol
TSM lost to a challenger Korean team in 2016
@@user-dc5pp1ny2y To be fair that was a dubious loss and it was 6 years ago
Ik this is a joke but bottom tier lck teams are pretty garbo, top lcs teams would do fine, just look how eg (na3) with a an academy sub smashed mad (eu4) 3-0 despite eu not generally being perceived as a top heavy region
Its gotten to the point where riot games has given up on the LCS and prioritising valorant for NA.
NA should become a minor region now
Because NA Valorant has won international events and have seriously dedicated and talented players that want to win
@@adriancunto8128 ye, the total opposite of the situation in league
@@adriancunto8128 weird, its almost like American's are just really good at FPS games. Almost like FPS is the one gaming genre that is pushed the hardest in our country compared to strategy games in other countries. Some people said it years ago, turn league into a FPS game and watch America dominate the scene and low and behold Riot did it and America is a strong region in it
@@ShadowKhi618 Yeah like they are tottaly dominant in Csgo, Overwatch, Apex,...
Me, a long time NA fan: Oh shit, we got three wins. Nice.
Is eu> na settled then? LMAO
@@TheHighborn It would appear so unfortunately
@@TheHighborn We don’t have the energy to argue a blatantly losing battle.
@@bobjoe4409 i'm not happy about it either. Dunking on each other, in a never ending tug of war was like 95% of the fun
@@TheHighborn chicken > chicken
Crazy how the regions that play the least amount of games during the year tend to do the worst at international tournaments.
NA=shit
Yeah not like LCK and LPL had best of 1s too back in the day and still dominated before (well LCK did) and also other regions tried Bo3s but didn't work out.
@@magnusengedal4964 Don’t pretend as if EU isn’t shit as well. Literally went 1-9 Week 2, and RGE never would’ve made it past Groups had TES beat GAM lmao.
@@dyanco9155 RGE would of never picked Nasus support if there was a chance for a tie breaker.
@@Domizzzzzzz Still irrelevant. Have you seen how the entirety of EU performed in week 2? Absolutely dogshit. TES just ramped up too late, but it was evident that RGE would’ve never made it out with the way they were playing, and drafting in week 2.
NA is doing a service to the rest of the world. We just out there helping teams warmup for the big games.
when the most hype moments fans got were destroying tier 2 turrets and Blaber killing crabs
Riot wondered why LCS viewership goes low every year.
At this point, riot have given up
That NA are losing 🤣
That's NA problem to be weak & trash... Not Riot 😂
@@zhafranabiyyudarwisyh1250 yup. But riot have tried to do something about lcs. The fact that they are moving the lcs to weekdays shows that lcs is no longer something riot really cares about
@@justsomedude168 also they made the player from the oceania local and not from another region. They killed an entire region and still sucks
i thought the reason NA was so bad because of the environment and coaching, but after seeing that 90 percent of pros barely even use champions que, a perfect place for pratice with high level opponents, no Randoms being toxic, perfect ping, ive realized they just really dont give a damn about winning, i cant think of one logical reason why NA pros wouldnt play champions que but ever since its introduction the player base has gotten smaller and smaller for. no one to lame but themselves for how bad they did at worlds
there is a reason why other region say lets go to LCS to retire.
Last year : NA has hit rock bottom
This year, NA: Nah, you underestimated my potential
The 0-18 dream will be ours by next year baby
man way back worlds 2018 when C9 made that superb run I was hopeful that NA would actually be a threat from now on. I thought that western teams now has a chance at Worlds (seeing that in the Top 4, there are three western teams)
Same here, I thought people would finally look at what C9 was doing right since at the time, NA was playing solely for domestic success rather than international. Now, no one’s playing for international success in NA.
@@yuzujuice admittedly, im not a fan of lcs, but seeing that run, LoL C9 beating Korea's second seed i think, gave me hope for NA. I remember thinking along the lines of "if their csgo team did it (boston major), their lol team can do it too"
Please. The reason NA is awful is because riot and NA prioritizes rewarding bad players. People can have 40% winrates in ranked and go 0-13 for 50 games in a row and still get ranked rewards. However, if you point that out, your entire team will turn on you for being toxic. Theres such a fear of holding people accountable in NA league so why should anyone strive to improve?
exactly people in my ranked games for fun picking champs they never played before just because but when i call them out and decide not to make an effort to win bc they wanna troll me i get 2 week ban this region is doomed i couldn’t care less if we ever got better bc everyone in the region doesn’t care about that
@@andrewchatman622 the making no effort part is 100% toxic time to accept it mate
@@Zaid-bb7ri why try when my team doesn’t care about winning no need to i save that effort for teammates that actually wanna win the game
Lol this post felt like a personal cry, just
Stop getting banned.
I highkey enjoy watching LCS, it feels refreshing, relives stress and even makes some good giggles sometimes.
The goofiest thing is that our best bot lane was an academy ADC and a Canadian support… imports lmao
I think it was an interview with peanut before quarter finals where he was asked about NA failing at worlds and from what I remember, he told the interviewer that it was because of NA's work ethic compared to Korea's work ethic both in terms of practice and scrims plus we could also factor in solo queue game quality. Honestly, in my opinion If NA wants to succeed you can't just bring in imports to play on NA, NA needs to either make the players train in Korea, expose the players in an environment that majority of their games is gonna make them try hard for them to actually learn something and improve.
Currently on TI good lord WEU is a monster.
NA also Skyrocketed out of Dota TI11 with all 3 of their teams. 2 from groupstage, 1 in main event with 0 wins on mainstage vs 2nd tier teams.
P.S. The only team that wasn t eliminated in groups (EG) in think has 5/5 outnof NA players.
As an NA CS fan ive experienced this pain far too many times lol
At least NA has won a major before in csgo. NA never has had a top team in league
@@brandonshen1918 NA actually have won TI once with Evil Geniuses. Nowadays NA are considered to be a very weak region in Dota which is kinda sad.
Everytime you see an NA team play twitch chat just spams "Near Airport" and everytime a South American team plays everyone just spams "Soon Airport".
right now, like LS said, there is literally no western team that can beat a LCK/LPL team in a bo5 and that is sadly ruining my viewer experience of worlds over the past few years. I just know way too often how a game will end.
The problem is that the LCS is treating the pro scene like a basketball or football season and their academy league is their shitty version of the NBA’s G-League. They need to treat league more like international football, like what the LEC is doing: 1 major league and a bunch of minor/regional leagues that develop and foster young talent while also having a scene for “bad” LCS players to improve. Cause holy shit I am so tired of washed up players like DARSHAN waste an academy spot on cloud 9.
To be fair. Doublelift literally get destroyed bot every worlds lol
His TL worlds he was one of the best bots and only thing keeping his team going they made the MSI finals also never forget that cuz of his play vs IG.
@@hussain26049321 if you not first, you’re last. NA is trash because we care about accolades like how DL and stuff did. Sure he won a lot domestically, but none of them have done shit internationally. Everyone get so hyped about what they do domestically just for NA to do Ntn at all. Sometimes coaches and stuff have to instill that into the system, especially when the system is so bad that the same 3-4 teams make it. I’ve not seen top players like DL decide “I’m so good I’m gonna go to a bottom tier team and win”.
Overall though, DL and all those good players didn’t win anything internationally when they were thought to be ahead of the east and now that NA is clearly behind, he tries making comments when he had a easier chance to win and still choked.
I think it’s pretty easy to see it’s a difference in culture and there’s not as much drive to win in NA as other regions especially when we have the highest payed players and don’t expect them to perform to the amount there payed lol
Like every year, I didn't expect much from NA, and yet they still managed to disappoint.
For me, the main problem is that a lot of players in LCS dont play a lot of ranked to the extend that people in other regions do.. Ive heard from various pros, that they dont like playing SoloQ which for me sounds like playing soccer professionally but never going to practice...
This right here.
Not to mention all the pros that have never touched champsQ. They just get Korean BBQ after a loss and call it a day. It's 100% a culture difference.
At this point Riot should just kill off entire NA region for other minors simply bcz no one there wants to play anymore
Cause soloQ in NA is trash lol. Nothing riot Can do to change that, League is different in NA compared to the east.
@@MrDT2012 Every SoloQ is trash in League, not only NA...
More tourneys would be great, but I dont know how logistics work with the regular season
more rookies and new players what we need honestly
@@xtrocty5086 I think it's just the environment and work ethic in the region. Culture wise also contribute to this. As much as pro player grind in the game, their structure especially coaching staff cannot compare to eastern staff. Eastern team takes it as a real sport and their coach will lecture their player for real. No spot for being soft if you desire to be top team
@@kaltrouble9236 Not to mention the player base. Performance at worlds is highly related to how competitive a region's server was. In this case NA has among the lowest player counts by a large margin.
@@xtrocty5086 What has rookies have to do with anything? NA has no way to develop talent. LCS has 10 teams with 5 players making it 50 players that can compete. LCS academy is a retirement home for 90% of NA's old players and the 10% players with some potential for LCS. Beyond that, where can players develop? And yeah as the other guy said, there is cultural differences, training methods and player willingness to lose any kind of social life outside of the game to compete.
I saw it worded on twitter as "Na plays to not lose, everyone else is playing to win" and I think that sums up a lot of why I dont like watching Na league anymore. 2 Chess players both trying the best they can tow in is interesting. 1 Chess player trying to win and another just sacrificing piece after piece to gain nothing put a few pawns here or there, all in a desperate attempt not to claim the enemy king but to keep his alive, isnt
NA also has 5 representative in DoTA 2 TI11 and no one come through..
SAYING THIS IS NAs rock bottom shows yall are very new to Worlds and league of legends as a whole. NA has been a meme for well over a decade. Only the very beginning and a few teams in the last couple years. Basically before they started trying to buy talent and stuck with mostly NA players
curious on the outcome where if LS remained and changed the systems c9 has "placed" for years whether the competitiveness in NA would have risen or not🤔
Tell me a joke
NA teams in worlds😂😂😂
Bo1s 🤣
Proud moment for Na. Today, In Dota the International EG topped group stages and got eliminated with a straight 0-4 losses on the main stage. Seems to be a common trend over here.
Yea just now we look at Dota2 NA team were losing, MAX COPIUM
Damn
NA needs to be limited to 2 teams cuz its so ungodly awful that the third spot is a waste of a space
Funny how they were the best performing team despite being the third seed.
@@Lamb666 EG weren't a bad team compare to C9 and 100T, they just had a very obvious weakness with Danny's champ pool during playoff
Yea, but where will that seed go??? CN won't get it without KR getting it too, EU obviously don't need it, VN and PCS also doesn't need it, all of the other Wildcards don't need it too... The only solution is we probably need to add another region... 🤔🤔🤔
@@ddddirge they could do an online tournament fight for the spot
@@haoye2413 have who fight for it?
Just one thing to add: The format created by Riot is designed inherently to do just this. Isolate good regions from bad ones and prevent the ascendency from bad regions.
If you can't play regularly against high tier teams, how exactly are you supposed to understand/improve?
There's only so much you can learn by watching their VODs.
Similar format to the FIFA World Cup. Which NA also struggles the same if not worse. Only solution is to push for a stronger local competitive scene.
@@pike2367 There won't be one.
Soccer you can every now and then schedule some matches against international teams and the players are playing in several organizations across the world.
At League, you get stuck at your own region having to improve in something you know nothing about. Heck, people can't even point the direction in which to improve.
How often do regions face eachother in League? Must be more than once right, can't only be for worlds.
@@henrikswanstrom9218 twice a year. During MSI mid year and then on worlds.
@@raphaelvsantos Definitely not enough. If you want other regions to be able to compete with the dominant regions, you gotta give every region more opportunities to play against them to improve.
Dota is a good example where the constantly have Majors inviting teams from 6 competetive regions(China, SEA, WEU, CIS, NA, SA) that all are competetive.
That's how you allow for "worse" regions to get up to speed. A good example is South American Dota which was a joke 2 years ago(Pretty much like NA LOL) but who this TI got 3 teams into the playoffs and had one team get top6 first time ever. It's insane how fast weak regions in Dota improve.
More International Tournaments would be great.... For the fans 😂 ( NA is more like Not Available)
All NA teams should play the preview event to qualify to worlds with the oceanic, south america and other less competitive regions for the spots on the main event till they grew their lvl
I rather play arams now but I'm older in my 30s. I noticed that most of the coaching staff are guys that were fired from one team and picked up to another. Then the teams have the same issue on why those coaches were fired. The samething happens in nfl and nba. Getting "proven" coaches instead of taking chances on others is the issue
I just started watching league esports and it’s embarrassing that my region is this bad
Unironically better than I expected lmao
There's a lot to be said, but I do think the region's attitude toward League is a factor. For basically every other esport NA has a foot in, we have something to hang onto. In League, it's hoping we don't get absolutely dumpstered in Quarterfinals again (or even just hoping we make it that far).
The problem is that a lot of this goes to systemic issues within the region that could take years to meaningfully address, and that process should have started back in, like, 2014. Server ping, regional amateur leagues (Academy clearly isn't doing much), improving the Ranked experience, etc. There's a lot and everyone has different ideas.
Personally I do think NA really needs to scale back player pay, shake up the format, and invest in long-term fixes on a systemic level. I would also like it if we stopped taking ourselves so damn seriously. Yeah sure, the players are professionals, but esports isn't ESPN, it never has been, and it never will be. You wanna pump viewership up? Having some fun is a great place to start. Maybe not having champ select take 20 goddamn minutes (smaller issue imo).
Sorry, a lot of thoughts. I'm also thinking of the fact that the average NA fan probably won't watch much more that we're out of Worlds. That's another issue, of course.
There is a serious lack in Home grown talent
@@sytherwusky agreed, and that's part of why I think any real solution is a years-long process. Investing in developing local talent will take a while, especially when you'd be talking about a comprehensive culture shift as well
“Esports isn’t ESPN” he says as E-League Major is broadcasted on ESPN.
@@5PctJuice there are allegations that some North American players won’t scrim with Academy players because they’re afraid the Academy players are good enough to take their jobs
@@sytherwusky I've heard those allegations and it wouldn't surprise me at all. Honestly it points to a lot of insecurity in NA, and that's something I think could be fixed with some culture shifts, better infrastructure, and an overall better approach to the competitive side of League in the region.
Basically, if you get the practice you need, on good servers with good support around you, there's no reason you should be so insecure that you refuse to scrim against supposed amateurs (I know Academy is just a revolving door for main-stage players, but humor me here).
NA is a mid tier region in a tournament for high-top tier regions and the gap between mid and high keeps widening.
i think the biggest issue is that the NA teams dont bother to nurture the NA rookie scene like EU teams does with its own region( regional amateur leagues ). Not to mention the negative culture that exists around e-sports.
Some teams are signing Former LCS talents to their Academy rosters instead of rookies
I stopped watching na LOL for about over 3 years or more I lost count, to avoid the heartbreak year after year, I was hoping I’d randomly see a video of an NA league team winning worlds but then I saw this
NA shouldnt have 3 seeds by this point, better to give it to other regions that might have actual interesting teams to watch
How many slots has EU?
@@Donkey_Kinsir this year 4, but it might go down to 3 next year because of the performance this year. I dont know the exact "goals" tou have to hit performance wise but EU some years gets 3 and some years 4.
@@cavalairvt
Strange.
But thanks ^^
like the middle east. or South america. or North Korea
@@cavalairvt EU gets another seat whenever a region cannot send teams. Like russia this year.
WE CAN ONLY GO UP FROM HERE BABY COPIUM
You want to get better? You have to play against better talent. Solo queue is still a big source of practice and NA solo queue is a joke. Its an entertainment industry where streamers often 1-5 in the lead because fuck it, I want the hype youtube clip that is going to make me money. And they're not on internet cafes playing in limited time frames so they don't have to take every game seriously. When you can do dumb shit and still win, it makes you lazy as a player. Theres a reason these teams often go to other countries to boot camp. Because NA talent overall is bad. But a few weeks of good competition isn't gonna raise you to the level of people who play there all the time. NALCS is barely watchable anymore.
No Tier 2 Week 1 is jst a stepping stone for the 0-18 that this region is bound to achieve next year
At this point we should allow at least one team with 100% import just to see whether it can make a difference for NA.
This is just how it goes, NA preforms abysmally at worlds and then everyone rallies together to try and figure out how to solve this issue and to help the overall skill level of NA improve
And as usual, either temporary solutions or completely nothing happens and we go back to this same cycle.
Cheering for any NA team at worlds is such a sad experience, the last time I was semi hopeful was when LS set the standards for C9 to at LEAST reach semi finals, that was the last time I was somewhat optimistic about NA
See yall next year when we do even worse and try to fix every problem to no avail
It is time to consider NA a wildcard region, the less teams that you send to worlds, the less pain you may feel
Riot isn’t gonna do that cause the LCS is franchised and that means riot and the shareholders (the orgs who bought shares in the league) has a lot riding on the continued success on the NA lcs
Does this case replicate with other mobas as well?
I haven't tuned in for a few years. When I did it was usually to root for a minor region cinderella story rather than NA.
Imagine being the team who got the first t2 turret destroyed by na
Gotta be an awkward feeling
2:29 I never thought prople could get so excited over tier 2 turrent, which I found hilarious
this is just a warm-up for next year's 0-18.
My suggestion for Worlds would be as following:
LCK & LPL get 3 solid spots straight into Group Stage as they are the clear stronger regions
LEC & LCS get 2 solid spots straight into Group Stage and 1 placed in Play-in Stage
PCS & VCS get 1 solid spot straight into Group Stage and 1 placed in Play-in Stage
This ends you with 12 teams pre-placed into Group Stages with 4 spots left to fight for
The Play-in Stage would have the 2 groups of 5 setup with 2 making it out of each group
1 LEC, 1 LCS, 1 PCS, 1 VCS, and the 6 minor regions LCL, LJL, LCO, TCL, LLA, CBLOL
It should be the easiest tweak around the current standing system to ensure the most regions can have a horse in the race, yes ofcourse this will benefit LEC, LCS, PCS and VCS, it also increases the odds a minor region team like Loud makes it into Group Stages. Once into Group Stages there are 3 Chinese and 3 Korean seeds for 4 groups so that makes sure that the other regions can enjoy some meaningful fights to see who will make Quarter Finals. All in all i think it would positively effect viewership as it includes all mid and minor regions giving them better odds to last longer into the tournament.
It was the jet lag
As long as there is one more potential game to lose, we will not stop trying.
when taking down a turret is more hyped than winging
_Near Airport_ teams even had gone harder
NA in League 🤣🤣
NA in Dota 2 😂😂
NA 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Atleast NA in Dota won TI 5
@@fuu6490 but NA won rift rivals years back. dont take that away !!!
Here in Brazil there's a meme where people nickname the NA LCS as "CBDOL", because it's just CBLOL but with dollar.
just saw this after NRG qualified for quarter finals. Too bad wbg knocked them out but they were the only western team to make it.
Fast foward to 2023 and NA still has 3 teams at worlds while all the other wildcards have only 1 :)
2:28 cast is savage :"D
Its only up from here 🙌
Ever since franchising, NA had only 1 team go to worlds playoffs, and that was C9 2021 which started 0-3
I had to come back because another NA team was just eliminated from The International 2022. Evil Geniuses from leading the Group A at group stage to being winless at Main Stage. From League of Legends to now DotA 2 😂
I think maybe one reason is they thinking importing like 2 players would instantly make them good. If they build up challengers players instead of signing old pros to their challengers team then they might be similiar to korea, china, and europe, then they wouldnt have to spend money importing players from other regions as much. I mean dont get me wrong i dont think they are awful by any means but if u stack them against eastern teams they are just outclassed. I can also understand that modes like aram urf are more fun so theres really no incentive to play ranked especially with the toxic randoms every now and then except to get the icon and skin for the season.
Whew, I thought it was a video about csgo or smth but turns out it doesn’t matter
NA is also out of TI11 Dota 2 today
This is why I gave up on becoming pro and making League a career.
Our region never makes finals and it pisses me off at times to where this region shouldn’t even matter anymore.
1. We Have No Talent: NA buys out imports and recycles washed up pros to build a team. They do this because the NA talent pool is worthless. Who the fuck wants Tyler1, Pokimane, or Lilypichu on Cloud9 or EG? It makes absolutely no sense and it pisses me the fuck off.
I tried going pro myself, but all I did was peak P3 and even with the skills of a Diamond player I still failed to hit challenger.
Why is this the case? Why does NA not try harder to do better? People want to play casual in rank, but that is nonsense.
2. NA Is A Soft Region: NA is softer than a newborns skull and that’s a fact. Our coaches are no where near as good as the one in LPL or LCK. Those coaches will literally criticize their players and tell them to do better, but in NA we don’t do that.
Instead, we brush it off, ignorantly state that we’ll do better next year, and guess what? We shit the fucking bed! Quit making excuses and actually kick these bum ass players off the teams and find some fresh new talent!!
Recycling and Putting washed up players on a team makes zero sense.
3. NA High Elo Is Gated: I’ve had forty-six accounts and not one of them has made anything higher than Platinum3. I’ve never been Diamond, Master, or Challenger.
Our community for some reason gates people away from high elo, as if we give a shit about the people within those Elos.
NA high elo is full of one trick clowns and mindless garbage. Nobody wants to see Lilypichu and her dogshit Lux, so why the fuck would I care about some lame ass streamers?
4. NA Community Is Trash: Trolls, Feeders, AFKs, you name it! This community doesn’t give room for people to improve or climb, if anything this community is one of the reasons why NA will never win worlds.
These same people preferred to watch C9 Sneaky cosplay instead of watching him train his ass off and improve.
Why are we trying to promote someone’s lame ass cosplay ideas and not their improvement at a game?
NA is ass backwards and their so stupid they can’t even see it 🤦🏻♂️
I don’t even care anymore, NA is a dead region and doesn’t deserve to be in the LCS. We have no business playing this game and that’s a fact.
The big issue is that a lot of the NA teams win their local tournament by getting good talent from other regions. The problem with that is that while Berserker is a god here, he was the third choice for T1
Average NA game looked like my platinum EU promos.
Ablazeolive's logic is not sound: if x/15 players gets you a x-15 record, 15/15 gets you a 15-15 record, not 15-0. 15-0 isn't even possible since you know, 3 teams placed in different groups would play a total of 18 games. In order to achieve a 15-15 record, the following would need to happen: each team goes 5-2 in groups (either 4-2 and a win in the tiebreaker, or 5-1 and a loss in the tiebreaker) and proceeds to be swept in the quarterfinals.
The only thing that bothers me about NA performance is that they are still labeled as a major region by riot.
They should be a minor region with 2 spots at most. The region will not get better as this is a culture issue, and support for the league is only going down on all sides (viewership, investment, interest, quality of gameplay).
I would rather have NA competition where worlds matters less (because we would be a minor region with few spots and as such much less expectations) and have worlds have more korean/chinese team delivering insane matches like the ones we saw last week. Focus on making the LCS crown being the most important thing for an NA team so the league can be enjoyable again.
Dont watch league much but if imports cant fix the problem it has to be the coaching staff and culture
having 4 teams from each major region (not counting NA) was a big slap in the face for all minor regions.
ive never seen someone so hyped about destroying a tier 2 turret 😭
the problem is, the great showing in play ins, gave up hope. then the group stage happened......
when ur getting a 7 figure contract and cant even get more than a single win at worlds is insane as NA
It's been 10 years, NA has moved on with this game.
Good excuse.
Cope
Then what explains the fact that even back then Na hasnt ever won
People say cope but it's true. LoL has never been very popular in NA. My friends that play just see it as a joke, playing ARAM or URF on the side.
Yeah but NA kind of sucks at all esports for some reason, whether it is popular or not.
NA first seed should be in group stage and the remaining 4 or 3 teams must be in play-in stage.
I'm an American, but I watch and cheer for the Korean teams. They have always been more interesting and exciting to watch, even when they play super-safe, as is typical for them.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
I would think they only play safe because over there you'd be punished for any mistake. To let a champ get away with something basic in game just hands over an advantage they could press into a lead. Share it well with the team and something small snowballs into every lane.
I haven't watched in ages not because NA is bad but because somebody stole my account and said an F word once and they perma banned me. One infraction everything lost. I logged in the next day and found out. Who ever it was helped me quit an addiction. All that time and money, I would been there a few more years if not for that.
C9 is just a huge meme right now, not gonna lie.
the 0-18 dream is still alive mate I still believe 😊
Yeah it's painful to be an LCS fan but can we please just give credit to how insanely unreasonably talented LCK and LPL is? They make the west seem worse than they really are.
Talent? No
Competitive environment? Yes
Remember, korea saw computer games as sports since the early 2000's while the west was still debating that discussion by mid 2010's
@@PortrialWhat are you talking about. If you don't count lck and lcs players as talent because esports was a thing for a longer time in that region then wtf even is talent in your definition? This just stinks of NA copium
@@sharpasacueball talent is just a shallow term. It doesnt exist. What we see as "talent" is basically just the product of hard work and dedicated practice.
In korea, being a pro gamer is a legitimate, albeit low paying, occupation. In order for them to thrive in a competitive environment, they litterally have to play/practice more than 12 hours per day just to be considered a top level pro gamer. That is not talent, that is hard work
Hope Ph can play on Lol world tournament as well
honestly i was at least hoping that we would go 2-16 or worse, which would have been the worst record of any region at Worlds of all time, but we can't even be good at being spectacularly bad
I still don't know why Riot doesn't organize majors like every other important eSport, Like I know about franchises model but what is the whole freaking point of looking at LCS or LEC compete between themselves when we all know the best games are on LCK and LPL it feels so pointless to watch or analize. I guess is too much to ask to an Indie company for regular International eSport events.
oce fans watching the chiefs get a nearly perfect streak in lco and then losing everything in worlds:
Just make NA a wildcard at this point, there are more exciting teams can take advantage of the aditional space. GAM was 1-5 aswell but they definitely seemed more competitive than the NA teams. The NA fans can enjoy the league like the French League.
3 slots for NA at Worlds just feels disrespectful, they are just too relaxed about it. Korea and China are both extremely competitive to the point where sometimes every team can beat every team. NA imported a lot of stars and feels more like "Hey EU/KR player, have this money and play a bit of league, don't stress out too much, it's just marketing".
I think the regions get the results based on the effort that they put, I'm sure that NA teams put time and effort into getting better and I don't think they are lazy, they just seem lazy because of all the extra effort the teams in the east put.
At the end of the day we should recognize that we just have less skilled players which already puts us at a disadvantage. Now throw in the amount of time those players put in (for example, let's say the average NA player does 8 hours of practice with the team a day, and the avg Korean player does 12 hours). That extra 4 hours a day equates to over 1,000 extra hours of gameplay by the time we get to Worlds. So not only are the players worse skill wise, they also are not putting in the work needed to overcome that. They aren't even matching the effort of Eastern teams. So it's never going to change unless it's a particularly down year for a region like 2018 was when C9 made semifinals.
it’s the lead in the water supply
you know it's bad when the crowd is cheering for a 2nd turret