The LS vs C9 Drama Just Got Real
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Last week, everyone and their Mum was buzzing to see another weekend of LS coaching Cloud9 and pulling out the weirdest drafts the LCS has seen in years.
But then Cloud9 released him minutes before their game and the reaction from the community has been a collective: um, uhhh ... what the actual f@*k?
The mystery has only gotten deeper this week and we’ve already reached the point where lawyers are involved. Yeah. Let’s go through it all…
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A bit of a personal anecdote, but what upsets me about this entire situation is the fact that due to this whole situation, LS will almost certainly never coach an NA team again… he had stated for a long time that in order for him to come back to NA and coach a team, a TON of specific things would need to be perfect, low and behold the current iteration of C9 forms and he’s actually willing to go all in on this team only to get thrown out
I agree I used to not really like the guy but I warmed up to him and I really wished he could bring his style to NA… it legit made me actually wanna watch NA league of legends for the first time in years
Not just na, he said any team, be it korean or american.
he said he committed too much when he was coaching so he won't ever coach again. He put so much time into it and something like this just happened. We will never see Soraka or Ivern mid ever again
@@iwalani2697 I agree. To me he just seemed so unlikable on stream or in his various podcasts. He sounded like such a know-it-all and imo it was irritating. He started coaching c9 and it seemed like his online persona mellowed out. I’m a TL fan but shit I even wanted to watch the C9 games just to see the draft. Imo that team is kinda bad because fudge is still learning mid and winsome isn’t that great plus I honestly don’t value blabber like most people do but the unorthodox drafts really worked to allow the team to beat teams that aren’t ready for it. That plus his drafts brought so much more variety to the point where several midlaners started practicing enchanters mid just to see what it’s about
@@supercereal1 teh problem is that he knows his stuff, if i had to pick anyone to know it all it would be him. a lot of silvers play his pick, loose 10 games then cry that LS doesnt know anything. He deals with a lot of people that know nothing telling him he is wrong, i am sure if you where an expert at something and had novices saying your wrong all hte time, you'd be similar
watching LS's drafts were literally the only thing about the LCS i enjoyed. no exaggeration
Absolute facts
True
Now i just watch for to see the el classico of TSM v CLG
I quite like liquids comp this season. But yeah. Not enough to actually watch it
I mean… setting on the clown music every now and then did make alot of games really funny tbh
*Puts on Tin foil hat*
It's so obvious! Riot games had him fired because they could see how much work they'd have to do every patch once LS makes all his off-meta ideas and picks meta. Open your eyes people! This is a move all the way from the top of the game.
LOL funny since I was thinking something similar. Riot obviously wants the game to be played the WAY they want you to play it
This would be hilarious if this is what happened but I doubt it
makes sense to me
Lemme put on my tin foil hat too real quick…
Yeah, this makes a lot of sense
Remember that Smite Support Singed main that they permabanned?
A part of me says this is bullshit. A part of me also goes, 'It sure would be easier on Riot on their end if they removed a possible source of trouble that would shake up the pro scene with abusing off meta characters to the point where they become meta. The amount of hard work to make changes around a sudden influx of 10+ champs into the S tier meta pool would throw Riot and its game state into a panic.'
Feels like C9 owner misunderstood LS's genius and had like a rulebook of "Coaches must use meta picks"
"Coaches must teach the comp to the team at least x amount of time before a match"
"Coaches must not force the team's players of their main unless absolutely necessary"
Or some absolute bs like this bc that's the only thing I can think of he could jave broken
I think the 2nd rule is a given. You don't just pull out pocket picks without at least telling the team about it, since it will be all but useless if they can't adapt to it.
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904
That's true, but you need to look at the other side of the coin as well.
Your job as a professional player is not to perform well on a select few champions or your "pocket pick", its to perform well on a role. It is on the player if he does not know how to play a champion in the role he is paid to learn, as much as it is on the coach for not knowing the strengths of his pieces.
@@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904 LS is smarter in terms of league than the whole C9 organization combined. I guarantee he talked to the whole team about these kinds of picks & practiced with them. The only thing I can see is C9 didn't want to take the chance at actually winning major events, but instead prioritize the player market/value of NA players in NA. Someone in another comment said it best, "Players have higher market buyout value if they play the same dogshit. An org in NA is not making money based on their result just brands."
Notice how in korea, china & even in EU teams don't prioritize putting the biggest faces of their org plastered everywhere for brand deals. They play to actually win tournaments and make it to worlds. This is the reason NA is such a joke, it's about brand $ not victories. So of course bringing in someone who wants to win and has strategies that WILL make you a top contender & actual competitor at msi & worlds won't work.
@@maekoh in short c9 wants money not fame or etc.
This pretty much is most likely the big factor of why this fell apart. LS has stated multiple times pubically that he's fully against pre-planned drafts and then playing those pre-planned drafts in scrims against other opponents. For me, its bad to do both because where either they could get leaked, or that scrim opponent will know how to prepare in there coming weeks against them.
LS is in the mindset of reacting to what the opponent is drafting and also believes you don't tons of X games on a champion. Malphite isn't hard of a champion just to first time on stage and you don't need 50+ games to understand your role as a malphite, soraka, or etc. This is just weird
I would *partially* understand if a coach was let go with a losing record, but how do you let go of a coach that helped put your current roster together and got them off to a 3-1 start? If that coach was going against my team's "rules" but was getting results, why bother changing it? At least C9 embarrassed themselves in that CLG loss. A nice big fuck you to management tbh. Not even going to blame the players for that. They lost their coach hours before a game, they cannot be expected to perform under those conditions.
Miami Dolphins: 👀
Speculation runs rampant everywhere and people can state any cause they like. I have my own hypothesis but that the thing, they are just my own. But I suspect it comes back to a small handful of things, i.e. Systems within NA and how they coach/approach the game itself
that video explanation from c9 was all bs, there is definitely something else going on back there, maybe personal reasons, or bias, or political shit, this is just weird.
A 3-1 start is actually below average for C9 for the last few seasons.
it's bc malice's feelings were hurt, and he's more popular on the team
C9's owner was mad because he though LS stood for losing streak and when C9 started winning he fired LS for not living up to the name.
they won 2 games get over it
Jack Etienne always wants results immediately. He should know that in esports, everything takes time. Ever since winning the csgo major in Boston, he handles the org differently and always wants results immediately.
@@SB3_01 but they *were* getting results immediately
@@TheJerbol yep it was shown how c9 can do it.
@@SB3_01 es3tag deal was pretty shit.
This smells just like some corporate meddling. I think c9 owner saw the picks and got the analysts to do risk/reward assessments and just folded.
Hate to see shit like this happen
Max came out and told Travis the same picks would be happening still
@@destinedtogame sounds like damage control. Only time will tell if those words are true
@@destinedtogame Waldo also said they were practicing standard drafts then the next day was contradicted by I believe Fudge.
@@zMajicz2 max said he wanted to do both. It looks like we don't really now. Sadly
IMO I don't think Cloud 9 cares at all how the team performs internationally, nor do they really care if they win. At the end of the day they want to create and build up a brand around their players enough so that they can sell them at a profit. The whole Academy swap/benching/player selling with past members like Jensen, Contractz, Licorice, Vulcan, Smoothie all show that Cloud 9 has a hold on the talent market from selling player contracts. I think LS with his one track and unique coaching style produced a team that would perform specific to the instruction and playstyle in LS's mind, therefore creating players that could be doubted for "conventional" play and would therefore look less valuable to other organizations and teams. Damn shame that C9 upper management have turned out this way...
C9 was my favorite team and now I don't even care to watch them
Same man
Any askers
Fair weather fan
@@anthonydominguez4744 yes
@@anthonydominguez4744 me. I asked
I was neutral on LS, but I have a ton of respect for how he’s handling the situation. He’s always telling people to support the org and the player and he’s even talking about what Jack did well. It’s crazy how much class he’s shown through all of this.
i mean hes probably getting paid good money to say that
One thing you forgot to mention is that C9 had WAY more to gain than LS had to joining their team, Berserker and Summit along with many korean staff members and training partners(Malice etc) joined specifically because of LS, Joe Marsh (T1 CEO) gave Berserker to C9 as a gift because of LS, If anyone should be mad, it should be Joe Marsh, he literally lost the 3rd best ADC in LCK because he trusted C9 would do LS right.
Well players had their few issues with LS's coaching according to Fudge
Your last video actually kind of got me excited for professional League of Legends. I had considered tuning in to C9s games just to witness the the new LS C9. How disappointing..
I'm still so genuinely upset about this entire situation, and I don't think I'll ever get over it honestly. Seeing LS finally able to bring his ideas to life and get the perfect fairy tale scenario to do it (all of the players he wanted, all of the staff he wanted, ect) and to see it all WORK for the games was so exciting. I was finally truly excited to watch League and LCS again and excited for all the content and interesting play out of Cloud9 to come, and Jack just ripped that all away for seemingly (according to everyone who's aware of the situation in the scene) the most bullshit reason possible.
I'm sure when we finally get to know that reason I'll be even more upset. It's genuinely so fucked up. Joe Marsh said it best, what's so fucking important about this "coaching system" of yours that you've never won Worlds or MSI, Jack? What's so important about it that you haven't had any international success other than Halo in the recent year, in ANY of your teams since 2018? It's just so insane to me.
Unfortunately, I reckon the reasons will get buried under an NDA with a settlement :(
Honestly i really dont care to watch the LCS anymore. There are no hype team accept TL that I expect to actually do something at MSI and Worlds (this being important cause I like watching to be along for the ride.) TL is fun to watch but for the most part the games are just stomps because all the LCS team are so unstable and exploitable.
This comment should be higher up! Joe Marsh the GOAT
This. Thank you for saving me the effort of trying to say the same thing half as well. Perfectly expressed.
I won't watch lcs too
Church9 is no more, and Clown9 is back
LS said on a co-stream with Caedrel that he would only return to coaching if it happened with a Korean team, but he's not interested in LEC or returning to LCS (which is a shame, LCS had a whole church song for the C9 drafts)
Jack making himself look like a bonafide dummy in that video 🤣😂
Forget playing neutral for a second, and let's get real about all of this. C9 screwed LS Royally by using him for picks, his knowledge, and essentially free coaching while in Korea. They used him for free talent and his expertise. Now when the rubber met the road and progress was made. C9 pulls the plug because of "coaching differences?"!? This is insanely disrespectful to LS and the team HE BASICALLY put together! I don't believe the team is alright with this either. It really shows the dirty underside of NALCS. It's really gross. Especially to thicken the plot that Jack also defended TSM Reginald not too long ago. Really makes you think.
If you think for a second C9 didn’t lose anything financially, you are delusional. Jack likely has lost millions due to this decision. We’re talking about so much money invested in one individual player, only to be thrown out in a matter of weeks. You better bet that LS has gotten his bag.
@@mannya3577 still C9 got players that no way in hell would join that shitshow of a team without LS.
@@Domizzzzzzz You really think that the sole reason for the Koreans joining C9 was for LS? Don’t get me wrong, he’s a very influential coach but C9 as an org has a large amount of influence as well in attracting top talent. For all we know, the players may have not even heard much about LS & his philosophies to the game. Playing in C9 getting paid much more than what you would be making in your home country seems pretty good for your career than getting offers from mid to low Korean teams or standing in Gumayushi’s shadow.
@@mannya3577 C9 had su much talent that achieved nothing internationally. Yes those players were scouted by LS and came because of LS I bet no one in C9 would of even had an idea of inviting them.
@@mannya3577 I never said that at all. Now that you mention it, it makes the L' Jack has to hold that much bigger. He was willing to make the contract risk for what then? I'm glad LS is getting the bag, but this ruined a wonderful opportunity and I'm pissed at Jack for it.
It's funny how LS was brought in to not only form the roster, but bring success to that roster. He did just that making an insanely talented roster & getting them to a 3-1 start. Just to get taken advantage of for his strats/roster/drafts by C9, it's disgusting. Then for C9 to make a bullshit response saying they don't like his coaching style. (which is the fucking point of the coach) is unprofessional and unfair to LS. I hope the players come out with their own responses instead of scripted reading what the org says, i guarantee LS was not an issue at all.
I can completely understand why he'd never want to coach again. Imagine firing the guy who was going to stop the NA airport memes at worlds because you don't like his strats.
"It wasn't our way of doing things." and C9 lost the next game with how they do things LMAO.
and managed to dominated afterwards
Well, I can understand why both parties are being vague. No one wants to be accused of libel or slander and take the high road or professionalism while things are being worked out. I hope LS gets a decent severance. Even once things settle, I'm sure there will be terms that neither party is allowed to talk about it. Though yes, unfortunate. And also that they lost hard right after.
Cloud9 were WINNING and they fire LS then proceed to lose to an 0-4 CLG!!! HOW DOES ONE ORG FUCK UP SO BAD???
Theyre 10-2
"i sat right here in this chair" while standing
And?
Sure it's not a saddle chair for posture?
LS also said if he ever is going to be a coach again it's probably going to be a Korean team. What that means is the odds of him coaching again is higher if it's a Korean team rather than an NA team, although he will probably never coach again.
I dont even like LS and am a long time C9 fan since the Hai days and even I'm disappointed. This was probably the most interesting thing to happen in a long time, and we could finally see whether LS knew his stuff. I came out of this seriously done with C9. Too many boneheaded decisions over the last several years, tired of them selling players for profit and blowing up the team every year.
Wouldn´t lawyers being involved be normal?
When questioned about why he needs a lawyer, he stated specifically he "needed a lawyer for the situation". Yes you need a lawyer when a contract termination occurs in this nature, but that wording perhaps suggest a bigger issue. Could also be grasping on thin air so take it as you will.
LS told players to smarten up and play better/play of meta and feelings got hurt. that's my guess
@@HerbaceousM8 I will point out that Korea has a history of abusive coaches to the point that the Korean Government got involved and had new laws made to protect players from abuse. That is where he has been living for most of his adult life. 🤷 IDK I don't think we will ever know what really went down till years after LoL is gone.
@@chrisc9769 Hasn't the team bootcamped and trained under ls already back in korea? I don't see how they wouldn't know how couching would be.
@@hinro like I said IDK. I know Summit was still in Korea. Like I said I was just pointing out that fact. IDK what the guys in Korea were or were not telling people back State side. Could of been hidden from them. Or state side knew and were trying to work it out. Jack very diplomatically did say that they were trying to come to some compromise on the couching style before they let him go. 🤷
Real weird to get three outta no-where releases in esports in the same week, with the 100Thieves stuff only a few days ago.
God, I hope we aren't gonna have a WWE situation
LS refused to stop “exposing C9 strategies” on stage that they wanted to hold onto until they ‘needed’ to use them. C9 wanted his spicy picks, unique drafts, and clever counters, but not shown on stage. That’s their coaching strategy difference. Practicing unique picks on stage was not allowed, only in private internal scrims. They couldn’t just come out and say “we don’t like LS drafts” or keep him as head coach but refuse to let him handle drafts, because that’s a huge part of his coaching style. More nuances but that’s the gist of it.
I believe he was saying on stream this had something to do with malice. People take shots at LS all this time, but this time from what I've gathered so far he's somewhat in the right.
that malice thing is a different beast in itself
The last major team issue in the LCS was the 2018 100T worlds toxic team issues. But I believe this LS situation beat it.
Shame how Cloud 9 has taken the stance on prioritizing their hold on the player talent market as opposed to creating a solid team with a chance at winning internationally. Very crafty how the company went from a startup domestic North American team, to manipulating player starting salary and contracts in order to flip and profiting off of them. Cloud 9 as an org doesn't care about worlds, msi, or titles. Just cares that their players look good enough for other teams to be interested. Can't sell your players if they follow a playstyle unique to only one coach and that's why I think they removed LS and said it "wasn't our way of doing things."
LS aka Legally Silenced is an Ex LCS coach for the team Cloud 9 who was recently let go of for [REDACTED] who is waiting for his (L)awyers (S)ignal to (L)eak (S)tory
It sounds like a cultural difference. If LS was Korean trained, he might have tried to implement certain things that aren’t accepted by Americans. It’s just a guess, but I really feel like it’s closer towards the truth.
I fear for Max Waldo's job I seriously think if he can't pull similar results to LS he could be outright replaced from the team for another coach come summer split
I disagree. Jack stated in the interview "max waldo thrives in our(C9's) coaching system . He's already been bend over.
Imo this whole situation has vibe of someone in C9, someone important(Management/player etc.), not liking LS personally or coaching wise and throwing a fit to get him out. The Fudge interview kinda gives me that feel, Fudge states he knew about the move before hand but kept his mouth shut, this points to him either being apart of a group who wanted this or knowing the person who had enough sway to do it themselves. Real shitty either way though that C9 just pulled the cord, guess winning doesn't fix everything.
it does seem like fudge would be involved with it. something about that interview felt off. during the draft for the clg game too. the other players seemed down going into it and fudge seemed normal. Seems like he didn't like having to play champs around his skill level.
What if C9 really used LS for getting a good roster, but then they didn't like his coaching style so they just thought they'd kick him and have the good roster forward. Immorale corporation.
Historical record of underpaying domestic players can cycling through great talent.
I'm pretty sure the Lawyers are going to take this video and play it in a court room for the jury
I just wish the best for LS and hope he change his mind at one point about not coaching again :(
Keep up the great work LS and score👌
what people don't get is, C9's "management" their goal is to "make money" by buying/selling playersn, and with LS drafts it doesn't work.
Yeah, it's a shitty thing. Hope they go broke
I swear they only got LS to get players that they would have never got had LS not been the coach. Now they stuck in NA.
Your haircut looks clean af btw
Haven't watched/played league in 7+ years now, glad to hear LS is still an amazing genius who I respect dearly.
LS aka Last Spy the mission of destroy NA from inside was discovered for that reason he was fired.
With how abrupt the announcement was, probably a higher management decision.
Your subscription randomness was so seamless and charming that I subbed instantly xD
The lack of professionalism in esports has pissed me off and pushed me away tbh
You looking super fresh though, even if it's too short.
Probably players didnt Like LS and his style of coaching
he can definitely be disrespectful/harsh on a ridiculous level, for all the bottled lightning he brings to the table it might not be worth the effect he has on the teams inter-personal situation.
Actually all 5 players were completely bought into LS and his style, so that is not likely
So sad to see C9 like this
How can anyone possibly surprised by this? LS has always been a negative shithead, of course he wouldn't be a good for C9.
TBH *THIS IS THE WORST DECISION* C9 ever did
I gotta admit i rarely watch LCS but when they announced that LS will be their new coach I'm friggin pumped to watch LCS again his off meta picks are sometimes ridiculous yet amazing at the same time but i guess it's time for me to go back to watching LCK again after that incident
And I'm pretty sure that the CLG vs C9 fight about a few days ago was *AN ACT OF PROTEST* for firing LS
My immediate reaction after seeing the thumbnail: ayo wut
Something probably went down behind the scene.. So I'll reserve my judgement until it gets out..
The c9 players sitting around jack look like theyre being held hostage
To everyone who keeps saying C9 has never been a great org and terrible management either must be new to the esports scene or just trying to sound like they know a lot from very little. Before the days of the current LCS, all the esports Orgs were complete jokes in terms of professionalism. Decisions were made by people's girlfriends. People couldn't show up to events because they couldn't figure out how to buy plane tickets. Players were treated like complete shit from the owners and got screwed over all the time. It was a complete shit show. Jack was one of the first general managers who actually acted like an adult and created a structure. He was literally doing anything and everything to make sure the players only had to focus on the game. His wife was making meals for the team back then, while other teams were eating junk food 24/7. He bought tickets to Korea for his LCS team before they even qualified for worlds. He has shown by far much more kindness and generosity than malice and selfishness. At the end of the day this is a business. If guys like Jack don't know how to handle business and create income, then the esports scene wouldn't exist.
In the glory days of the Korean Esports scene, those players got paid barely minimum wage, and were treated like dogs. Team owners like Jack and Steve were the ones who brought in the big money into the league scene. They are the ones who got this franchise system which created a housing for the big money to come in. I'm saying the fact that these coaches and players make as much as they do now should be credited to the work that people like Jack have put in. Sure he isnt perfect but C9 as an org is far from being a bad organization.
Don’t conflate financial literacy with the ability to actual run a long term and successful esports organisation and all the nuances it comes with.
What are you even trying to say?
C9 is already a successful long term organization, and its because those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. They have championships in multiple titles.
An esports organization is a business. A long term successful business is run with financial literacy, not feelings and fairy dust. If you have no money in a business, then it's not a business.
This channel is perfect for those who never grew out of high school and need that petty drama in their lives to feel complete.
This guy got the best paintings in the back. That David Mitchell painting go hard
I mean dude upended his life to move back to america to coach and got fired three weeks into the move. On a saturday, hours before the next game. I don't understand the firing or why they hired him in the first place with a 3 year deal if your going to back out the second he gets started.... I was really enjoying LS and the off-meta picks and strategies. He is completely done at this point now. This last one was a huge slap in the face.
What is smells to me is that’s it’s good old upper management thinking they know all and they know best. And they leveraged LS’ nativity and expertise to come up with a roster and kick the main guy aside. Typical corporate tactics tbh. Buts it’s so disappointing and I don’t think I’ll ever be able to root for any of the C9 rosters ever again.
To me, the only logical reason is LS and someone higher in the system have come in to one or more arguments and things where said that couldn't be taken back. Of course there are going to be Lawyers involved when a Contract is being "torn to pieces" and most likely there are some "shut up money" on both sides, which is why we don't get any information. This does also explain why Fudge says it does not come as a surprise if he or other players have witness one or more arguments.
C9 have always been decisive when it comes to decisions, like when they send most of their starting roster to academy.
And yes this will cost C9 a lot of money, both to LS but also in views etc.
The Video from C9 was just a joke no more no less, it provides 0 information of any kind it was literally "bla bla bla" like watching a monologue with 3 extras that just were for the sake of being there.
"Let the frustration increase" , I TRULY BELIEVE THE PLAYERS HAD NEGATIVE OPINIONS ON LS. THEY BACKSTABBED HIM.
Coaching style not fitting with C9 = 3-1 start
New coach with C9 coaching style = 0-3
"best for our team" - so losing is best for the team?
C9 just shot their selves in both feet and are saying it is better for the team.
I think they want to be a meme with these kinds of moves.
It sounds like they didn’t want to agree to change that would improve the team push the team to a level that would make them champions
Yeah. Was just watching the C9 LS video an hour before seeing the announcement of LS being kicked. This is the most disappointing thing from Cloud9
Bo1 cheese is not a way to win a world championship time and time it's been proven. C9 realized that and how early game actually matters especially when teams at international events are able to end games. LS has good ideas about how to play games differently from the usual, but he's only ever going to win NA never worlds
Cheesing multiple times in a row differently will win games in a row so.
I think the lawyers being involved is basic separation for a high end employee/position. Figuring out the package and such.
I’m so happy to see this wasn’t just clickbait. 😂😂 Finally some new insight and info
It’s so amazing how C9 just tanked their entire season. Honestly this isn’t the first time jack has made a stupid decision. Dude has the business decision Iq of a walnut. Actually no a walnut would have probably made a better decision than him ! Jack fired LS because he doesn’t like it when he can’t be in control of everything. LS didn’t coach the way jack wanted him to so jack fired him. Honestly that’s all I think coaching in esports and professional sports alike is. You coach the way your owners want you to coach or you lose your job! Cloud 9 has lost my respect as an org
Theyre 10-2
@@shgalagalaa I still stand on what I said
Thanks for your great journalism !
We didn’t see eye to eye, he meant “I’m tired of seeing soraka mid ruining my solo queue games smfh”
NA LCS just continues its downward spiral. It’s been unwatchable and the League/Orgs have only themselves to blame.
"the timing was bad but was the best for our team" *loses the game* bruhhhhhh
10-2
Alright its been 2 years. Have we gotten a straight answer?
Sounds like LS was going Wild West and C9 wanted him to be boring and predictable and safe. And LS wasn’t down with that so shit hit the fan and boom he got let go.
Wonder if the reason they are so hush about it, is because they know it will go negative in the eye of the public, I remember t1 being surprised saying it should have been a warning
Honestly I missed if there was ever a resolution to this issue. Being two months later I would also point out C9 didn't make it through playoffs and gave one of the worst drafting/performances we've seen.
LS was changing the way League is played, making teams think and adapt, and changing the meta, so of course since he wasn't playing standard... So either C9 used LS to form the team and/or Riot needed him to go.
I was so excited for LS, I was disappointed that he had to stop streaming, but I thought that the ability to see LS picks in the LCS would interesting and fun. Alas, no more LS picks, though he is streaming again.
Cloud 9 ceo - for years we have a way of doing thing here translation we like being losers and we gonna sell of fudge for bank baby
The mata is never the meta, the meta is whatever counters the current meta.
I’ve lost all hope in NA tbh. NA winning worlds is a pipe dream. Rip our one chance of winning.
Join the TL squad brother. The team is looking tight and I can actually see them performing. We ride or die with our wide boi and with a super consistent support like core you can’t go wrong. Idk about winning worlds because that’s so far away and things change but they’re looking reaaaaaal strong
@@supercereal1 can't trust NA really, years passed, still haven't done any significant thing in Worlds.
I'm just waiting for the prediction "I think C9 will go 0-6" and let deja vu repeat itself.
Rumors are that his teachings or well his style doesn't match the NA coaching style. Take it with a grain of salt, there shouldn't be anything more controversial than that. If there is, C9 is risking their brand. Too much to lose on both sides..
Ye but the NA coaching style hasn’t won anything internationally… maybe we need something like this kind of coaching style
Welcome to corporate America lol. Mediocrity in everything, even sports entertainment. The suits and investors care more about numbers and ratios than they do actually being competitive and innovative. I understand they wanna make money and be inoffensive, but such a snoozefest.
@@Conantas 100%
@@Conantas Very different...Esports and actual sports is very different when it comes to investors and what they are looking for.
That's a fresh cut Danny m8, I rate it
havent watched yet but did they break in any new info or behind the scene stuff or just summarized what happened ?
There Better be a massively justifiable reason for firing LS or it’s hard to see C9 recovering in the public eye anytime soon
He probably just said the wrong thing to the wrong person that wrote his paycheck and they said GTFO. Manage a business someday people, happens all the time.
LS is quie short tempered, it could be that C9 management wanted to push their Coaching method/structure to LS and he disagreed with it in a non-professional manner, so they just Fired him.
So I think there are a couple of thing being left out here, 1) LS overall seems not to be spiteful towards C9 (still replies to Jack's tweets, praises Max waldo and thinks he will be the next best coach of the west, and praised jack for really caring about the player) 2) The rumors that have been heard do seems to explain certain things that somewhat justified the decision (According to kobe, mark and azael on the dive). I think people who are saying "How did you not know this was going to happen when LS has actively shown who he is and what he believes in all on stream and vods?". My arguement to this is that just because someone presents themselves in the public doesnt mean they are that same person in private. Remember Jack spent millions of dollars on this project, if you think for a second that Jack did not try to remedy the situation multiple times then you really dont know anything about C9 as an org. People also forget that Jack was the same person to give full control to repeer when benching jensen and sneaky in 2018 when they were at the bottom of the split and weren't looking like they were going to make playoffs, which led them to getting to the worlds semifinals.
Pretty good speculation but if there is no spite between anyone and no anger then what was the problem? If there were disagreements about stuff then LS would've probably known that he would be let go soon. But he was blindsided by it. I'm starting to think that maybe this was caused by outside influence ie, riot, lol esports, some sponsors, or maybe some country issues between US or Korea. (I say this because he went back to Korea the same day even though he has family in US which I would expect he would want to spent more time with before leaving) (Also because Fudge and other members said they had expected it but they seemed to think that they were powerless and couldn't do anything to stop it)
Overall this is one of the most confusing situations, the coach who was kicked doesn't seem to care (just went back to his old life without taking anytime to think anything over), the team was winning, the team seems like they also don't care or actually support it, LS said nothing to anyone about the decision being unfair.
@@deliberation6022 so if you listen to fudge’s interviews and what jack said in the video it seems like LS may not have been cut out for all the responsibilities for a head coach. You have to remember that being a head coach doesn’t just revolves around practices and drafts, but a bunch of other requirements. I think LS might have had huger issues with interpersonal skills and willingness to make compromises with the coaching staff and players. In the fudge interview today after beating dig he sights that one of the things they did way better this weeks compared to other weeks is actually prepare properly. I think LS probably had an unorthodox way of practicing and players/ coaching staff were having an issue with it.
@@slj1537 That sounds plausible. I bet the regime he wanted include mostly just playing and less group activities which they may require.
LS is like the Einstein of LoL. He’s too smart nobody at his time believe him
What i dont respect is one of their management saying "it would totally make sense after an explanation"
YehhhNO , bullshit.
C9 mismanaging a team? Whaaaaat? This is sooooooo shocking!!
The only churches I worship is faker and chovy
C9 has never been a good company to work for as it has never cared about its personnel. Sad to see this happen to LS, but can't say that I'm surprised given C9's track record.
looks like he had a joint before shooting. Waiting for a confirmation
I guess c9 will never gonna pop off on this game
If cloud9 mutually agreed to release him and lawyers are involved something fucked up probably happened
They’re living up to the nickname “clown9”
This is like if the Oakland A's fired Billy Beane once they started winning
C9 is not exactly known for its transparency
The only thing I think I disagree with is that LS said before that coaching C9 was his last hoorah so I wouldn’t necessarily say C9 releasing him is what caused him to say he’s never coaching again although this is how he worded it on stream I think it was more like he already decided this was going to be the last time anyway. I believe it was from Doublelift’s podcast episode when he talked about this but if I’m wrong sorry
Seems like they brought in a guy to head coach and then didn’t want to let him coach