You took the words right out my mouth. Nobody knew anybody on the Texans until CJ came. When we played them I was amazed by how fast Tank Dell was!! I never knew the guy until we played them. CJ makes he teammates better
@@lumineer_3if we sign Higgins or Evans in the season along with signing some defensive studs and drafting another receiver our offense could propel even higher
Houston fans are thrilled CJ dropped in our laps after 8 games. Remember when everyone said Carolina had a more talented team than Houston during the draft? Now what are they saying. Tepper is like the old Oilers Owner Bud Adams. Always meddling. Thank god Tepper had the final say with the first pick
Yeah bro the only people that didn't forget that is Houston 😂. We remembered all that shit they were talking about our team. Supposedly Bryce was the far superior QB and CJ is already a bust because he's a OSU QB going to the Texans that have the worst WR group in the entire NFL 😂. The worst part is that they still believe Bryce is better because he beat the Texans on Stroud's worst game. On Bryce's best game he could only score 15 points
Texans will ruin it though. They don’t build teams and have zero culture. Stroud will carry but he won’t be able to mask the issues they have. If he’s smart he goes to a real franchise. Texans are just a pay day. But as a rook you gotta tough it out
I'm at a point where I miss the days when we could be bad one season and be good the next and make the playoffs... seems like a lifetime ago the way things have gone smh. Appreciate that Tepper!! You really came through on your promise, because we're certainly not mediocre anymore... we're just bad...
Yeah, that begat the cardiac cats. I remember it through the Fox years, Rivera picked it up, and it was always good for the watercolor on Monday. Now it just sux.
Whats funny the ole guy I talk to said that guy is small he is going to get hurt in there why would they pick him and I looked at him and said you think so he is really swift on his feet and good pocket presence 🤷♂️ I guess he is proving me wrong
@@ASTRALASPIE137he already as lol buddy is about to be rookie of the year and possibly mvp that’s checkmate. Y’all talking about panthers beating the Texans isn’t on stroud lol
@@ASTRALASPIE137lol. No one cares who won that game. The broncos beat the chiefs last week and no one thinks they are the better team. This is the nfl. Any given Sunday.
@@ASTRALASPIE137lol that's the only thing that helps yall feel good about the Bryce pick. Oh well, give Bryce the ROY over Stroud because he beat the Texans 😂
Here’s the problem. It’s not the line, receivers, coaching. It’s the fact his skill set is so limited you can’t put together a good game plan like you did with Andy Dalton when he dropped 400 and the offense looked serviceable. Too small to stand in pocket, too slow to run RPO/Scramble, arm too weak to throw deep so no vertical game. His play processing isn’t what it’s supposed to be either. So the only option is short passes and he’s turning it over so that’s also not working. This primarily is on one guy
I feel your pain, but I respectfully disagree. Football is a team sport. To say that bad O-line play has no effect on a rookie QB and then blame everything on the QB seems a little disingenuous and looks like taking the easy way out to me. I can and will just as easily blame the O-line for the majority of this team's woes. Case in point, during his Super Bowl run with the Eagles last season, Miles Sanders averaged 75 ypg and was a 1k+ yard rusher. He was supposed to come to Carolina and restore faith in the running game after we traded away CMC. However, behind our O-line ONE season later, he is currently averaging 28 ypg. 28! Against the Bears, he rushed for a whopping -5 yards! So, this only proves that he isn’t what we thought he was and needs a top-tier O-line to be effective, which was the knock on him before and during the trade. Meanwhile, D'Andre Swift for the Eagles, who is virtually the same height, build, and speed as Sanders, is averaging 68 ypg! Before Swift got to Philly, he was NOT this good. So, you can blame Bryce all day long, but until we get some better protection and some more weapons (Theilen has 42% of the teams receiving yards, so defenses don’t have to guess where he’s going to throw the ball), I don’t care if you find Cam Newton and run RPO’s all day, behind this O-line will continue to suck and lose games.
What will y all do? If, Will Levis is a better quarterback than Bryce Young? A quarterback y all could have drafted, and still have Moore, and still have a first round pick? Wow.
Honest I wanted stroud, we got young wasn’t too happy about but now I’m numb to this season & this team I’m pretty done for the season it is what it is at this point 😑
I think part of the problem with Bryce is how specialized the team has to be around him. He was playing with the best recruits/team built for his style of play. He is not gifted athleticall(compared to other QBs) and doesn’t have the height. Until panthers can cater towards that I think he will stay bad. And basically that means they have to completely change their offensive personal. Which I don’t think is possible. There is no reason young should have been the first pick let alone give up what they did to get him.
For a six-foot and-under quarterback to succeed in the NFL, he typically needs to have some uncommon ability to overcome the height/size issue. I never saw what Bryce Young did at an uncommon level that overcame his shortcomings.
Texan fan here. Hang in there. Lots of myopia in being a sports fan. Patience is tough when your franchise is fresh off such an important draft. Nice show...like your clear headed thinking
It was so obvious to pick CJ Stroud. I said it from way before the draft, he was more NFL ready for in game situations. On paper, Young looks great but he always looked average under pressure in the pocket.
The question you should be asking is if you could go back in time & redraft would you still pick Bryce Young. And if not then that tells you all you need to know !
Same. Stroud showed by far the best mechanics from drop back to release, he was smooth and quick. That alone would have been the reason I take him 1st overall, without taking their physical characteristics into consideration.
“Did the Carolina Panthers draft the wrong quarterback with Bryce Young instead of CJ Stroud?” -- You think? It takes you that long to finally realizing it, huh? Duh!
CJ has weapons that can get seperation, better protection, better coaching, better run game. & i can point to countless statistics that prove my point if you wanna argue with me. If Bryce still looks like this next yr then sure.... Talk that sh*t
@@panther189_man hell naw they been struggling to run the ball and honestly nobody praised they’re weapons before he got there Noah brown Nico collins come on man Lmao the coaching is the only clear advantage
@@bizzyboomin9277 F*ck no. They had robert woods as well lol. Whos better than every wr/te on the panthers minus Thielen.. Dalton Schultz is better than every wr/te but Thielen. Nico Collins only problem was he couldn't stay healthy. Hes a great deep threat.. Hes better than everyone but Thielen as well. Tank Dell another speedy wr. Even if he is a rookie. You could argue the run game is equal , but id consider singletary & pierce to be better than Hubbard & Sanders who was nothing more than a product of Philly anyways. The O line has unquestionably played better for Houston. Bryce has been sacked 8 more times despite playing 1 less game & their the 4th most penalized team on offense in the league. All we have is Thielen who doesnt have the speed he use to anymore. Theres a reason he has 42 more catches than the next closet guy on the team lol. & theres a reason why our wrs have the least seperation in the league & nobody can get open🤣they all sorry. Chark whos a 1 yr wonder who never played a full season? Tmarsh 2nd round bust? Hurst 1st round bust? Ian Thomas & tommy tremble? Blocking tes? Mingo who never did anything in college & got over drafted off traits in round 2 & has does nothing so far?? Viska 2nd round bust... Like stop it🤣the Texans unquestioningly have more talent on offense
You’re right about flipping the QBS, CJ is all around way better. He’s smarter and has better decision making. If anything everyone was doubting us coming into the season. Panthers were more promising before and after the draft. But too bad so sad we’re a lot better because of CJ.
As a Houston fan I’ll say this. Stroud has more weapons and probably a better o line. But young doesn’t have the arm strength, poise, and moxie that cj has.
@@darnejackson1why? I'm a Texans fan too and when they lost to the Panthers. Here came the Panther fans to our social media pages talking shit even tho we never talked shit to them. I guess it helps them feel better about drafting Young
Of course it should be. He thinks that because he was successful in one field, he's automatically good in every field. He has an over inflated since of himself. Running a successful NFL team is a lot different than running a hedge fund.
For once, probably ever, the Texans owner, McNair stepped in and forced the Texans to go after a qb this year instead of only drafting Will Anderson jr. at 2. If not for this the Texans probably would have tried to grab a qb in free agency and/or the 2024 draft. So without McNair sticking his nose in to force a move the coaches weren't 100% down with, the Texans could have missed one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. (this is assuming of course he continues to either play at his current level or, god forbid, gets even better as he gains more experience. Something to consider though is how many times ownership has done this in the past with Houston football teams and it has worked out positively almost never.
Stroud did his buddy a favor and in his belief is to give and you will be rewarded. He took a loss for his friend and was given History. Believe in your faith and he will reward you.
@@einsteinsuc7078 he went from 140yds to 470 5TD. He was throwing dines. The Carolina game oh I miss a few throws. That doesn't look good. That handshake at the end of the game was like I gotcha man. Good luck!
I heard a statistic yesterday that got me. Frank Riech's last 4 games the team didn't get a single 1st down before getting canned last year. Why would we hire him? Fire Reich!!
Broncos beat the chiefs last week. No one cares. It happens lol. It’s hard not to look over and be upset . If they have up nothing to get Bryce young they could still be upset. But they gave up soooooo much to get him.
@calebhoffman6368 I've seen the tape on qb school on Young. The tape is good, it's just he has no help. This Him vs Georgia in the national championship a couple years ago when all his weapons were hurt in the rematch of the SEC championship When he had his weapons he torched Georgia and their 30 future nfl draft prospects on D. In the title game, he struggled but still had moments. The concerning thing is the happy feet. Howell has been sacked 15 more times than Young and he does t have happy feet and it hasn't affected him.. Carolina needs weapons and some online improvements.
I don't think drafting Young was the problem per se. The issue is they gave up four premium draft picks and their best receiver just to get him and then saddled him with with a sub-par offensive line. Put that together and they have pretty much guaranteed his rookie year and probably next season will be a disaster. They've put him into a Tim Couch or David Carr situation.
The worst part is you don’t have your first round pick. What is the plan to put more talent around Bryce. Glad I’m a Texans fan! Thanks Mr Tepper! Thanks Lovie!
LOL Y'all funny. I aint gone lie.I was flip flopping during the draft. I'm so glad we didn't go number one. The media had me loving Bryce Young. I was like well CJ Stroud did look good out there.He's gotta be better than Davis Mills. Davis was extremely Awful. CJ has definitely filled the void for Deshaun Watson . GO TEXANS!
I wanted my Texans to draft Stroud from the get go. Based strictly on CJs ball placement and Height. Bryce still might be a good QB. He's 8 games in to his career.
Big difference in the players that the Panthers have vs the Texans. We had a legit #1 and traded him away. We replaced him with an end of career slot receiver that fell into #1 (not necessarily an X, just the highest target share). DJ Chark has never been THE guy, just a gadget. Miles Sanders got traded because he wasn't needed to win (we have Hubbard who was playing well BEFORE we got AND released D'Onta Foreman - another mistake). Spend the 2nd on Mingo and do idk what after we spent another pick on Marshall previously to do ? We got a new coach who was a complete bust with his last coaching opportunity. The Texans at least looked capable in small chunks last year with their young RB and the returning WR. They added so many pieces to support through the draft, we didn't do that because we sold the farm. We're gonna be bad this year, I didn't expect that much else given how trash the line is to compile on the lack of weapons, small QB and bad play calling with no identity at the run game. I wanted CJ but think these are 2 elite options, one just has a higher floor. CJ was more NFL ready and joined a team that was closer to competing. Not like it makes a huge difference but Bryce DID win their first head to head in the NFL, even if it was 13-15 lol I'm not panicking. 1 season doesn't show your future, less yet half of one.
I'm a Texan fan. I think y'all are bailing too soon on Bryce. He looked great against us. Yes, we are very happy with Stroud, but, Bryce doesn't appear to be a scrub, from what I saw. Now, I can't speak to your coaching situation, GM, or ownership, that's a whole other situation. But Bryce could turn into something good.
I have to disagree. Our front office took the QB that walked around the combine with his book bag instead of competing. We passed on a QB that put on a show in the GA game and the combine by showing he can make passes all over the field. I like Bryce but how many years is it going to take him to reach the level CJ is playing now? Don’t be mad at the fanbase or Bryce, be mad at the management.
@@tyjackson7696 Oh don't get me wrong I'm furious at management for not giving Bryce any help but I'm tired of fans acting like we wouldn't be in a similar situation with Stroud.
@unc54 bro you hit the nail on the head I read these comments and it's just a bunch of insufferable people who want to bitch about everything. They want to throw it all on bryce I've never had confidence in our coaching staff and tepper. Like how do you turn around and hire a coach that got fired from his last job for losing. It's also like we got the worst because there was nothing better out there we literally hired Reich first. Then no moves for o line in the off season or a real WR1 but because we are losing everything has to be bryces fault. Stroud is better because he is in a situation where people have a plan and believe in it. I honestly don't think he'd shine for us either Reich doesn't seem to fire anyone up.
It’s so fucking hard to be a panthers fan us missing on cj is a big let down I wanted him from the jump to an now look what we did I’d give him to next year but gosh damn man if we still had dj moore an have up burns we probably be in a better spot this shit really makes me want to pick a different team 😂😂 but I can’t hopefully after his rookie year he starts balling out I guess will see we better get the best wr in free agent for Bryce an a better o line men
Tbf I’ve always liked the Texans receivers. And Nico Collins is in his 1st year as a pro. Noah Brown came in clutch a few times for Dak and I don’t like the Cowboys
As a Texans fan who has watched the majority of the Panthers games this year (I have a Panthers fan as a friend and we watch them together) I still fully believe Bryce will be really good once yall fix the O-line and get him some weapons. I myself will give a rookie QB more than half a season with lackluster coaching, O-line play and 1 decent receiver before I judge.
The race is over. I know Hindsight is twenty-twenty but my gut feeling when both were coming out was CJ projected better to the NFL game. Bryce is built differently in terms of overall performance in college but CJ's entire arsenal is built for Sundays. The Panthers made a huge mistake passing on Stroud
This is the craziest football take I have seen this year. CJ stroud made Ohio state WRs look better? Who did CJ stroud have at Ohio State, Chris Olave, Garret Wilson, JXN, Emeke Egbuka, Marvin Harrison Jr, etc.
@@reasonablegentleman well look at J Smith Njigba in Seattle now, he doesn't look good with other qb. And Look at Texans no name wrs playing with CJ who has better numbers?
@@AndyTN64 Njigba is third on the team in catches and yards behind Metcalf and Lockett, nobody expected anything else. He is also on pace for 600 yards and 4 tds as on a team that had two clearcut WRs
@@AndyTN64 That doesn't make any sense because 2 of Strouds Wrs from last year already had 1000 and 1100 yard seasons in the NFL and are on their way to their second 1000 yard season this year. Marvin Harrison JR is about to be a top 5 pick, despite only really playing 2 to 3 quarters per game, and the guy that you think is not playing well is on pace for 600 yards 4 tds as the 3rd wr on a team that had two probowl talents ahead of him. CJ stroud didn't make those guys, 80% of NFL GMs would trade their entire WR room for CJ strouds 2021 WRs(JXN,Chris Olave,Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison, Emeka Egbuka)
Stroud is simply in a better situation, saying they made a mistake taking bryce over stroud...is pretty damn dumb. Bryce is the better qb, once the situation gets better so will he.
Bryce didn’t play good at all I get that but we have to realize the moves our owner, GM, and coaches made this year during the offseason were terrible. No o line help to protect Bryce when we knew Corbett would be out some games and you sign a 33 year old receiver who is slow as molasses being the #1 in this offense. There’s no excuses made for Bryce he has to be better but no quarterback can be good in the offense if you ask me with the amount of pressure Bryce is enduring. Stroud is gonna be good in this league but let’s stop writing off Bryce and put together a competent front office and better players then say he’s a bust if that don’t work out
But this wasn’t what we was sold on draft night. Watch all the draft coverage before draft too. Bryce was hyped as a player that could come in and make the team better. This he has not done.
The offensive line is more the problem than young he stays on his rump more than his feet,,they need the right coaches and some more beef on the offensive line
Bryce is better than what has shown, look Steve Smith said best when you compare both rosters, the Texans have a much better defense, offensively Stroud have better weapons, and a much better o-line, Carolina has a ways to go and has to start in the off-season, so panther fans temper those expectations
2 pic sixes on same Type of play flat to the running back. Tell him there is 100 yards of field not just 5 yards. He’s trash. Can’t blame the coaches if tepper told them to take him
Yes they did make a mistake and Houston loves Carolina for that mistake. Thank you David Tepper
LMAO!
Bears thank them to for Caleb Williams.
The pain will really set in when the Panthers finish last and the Bears are picking 1st.
😂😂
They knew 😉
They'll have the first and second overall picks. 😑
Cardinals have entered the chat lol
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
You took the words right out my mouth. Nobody knew anybody on the Texans until CJ came. When we played them I was amazed by how fast Tank Dell was!! I never knew the guy until we played them. CJ makes he teammates better
I believe Stroud and Dell connected while attending a few pre draft camps. I read that Stroud spoke to Houston about drafting Dell,
As a texans fan during the rebuild with QB Davis Mills… Nico was legit, just never had a QB.
@@lumineer_3if we sign Higgins or Evans in the season along with signing some defensive studs and drafting another receiver our offense could propel even higher
Dameon Pierce is a notable mention.
Tank a Rookie ofcourse no one know who he was
Did the Panthers make a mistake? Of course they did.
How could he have watched Stroud against Georgia and not pick him first?
Houston fans are thrilled CJ dropped in our laps after 8 games. Remember when everyone said Carolina had a more talented team than Houston during the draft? Now what are they saying. Tepper is like the old Oilers Owner Bud Adams. Always meddling. Thank god Tepper had the final say with the first pick
They forgot that
They are supposed to be a playoff team. Because, the division was up in the air.
A little different situation, though. At least the Oilers could field competitive teams.
Yeah bro the only people that didn't forget that is Houston 😂. We remembered all that shit they were talking about our team. Supposedly Bryce was the far superior QB and CJ is already a bust because he's a OSU QB going to the Texans that have the worst WR group in the entire NFL 😂. The worst part is that they still believe Bryce is better because he beat the Texans on Stroud's worst game. On Bryce's best game he could only score 15 points
Texans will ruin it though. They don’t build teams and have zero culture. Stroud will carry but he won’t be able to mask the issues they have. If he’s smart he goes to a real franchise. Texans are just a pay day. But as a rook you gotta tough it out
I'm at a point where I miss the days when we could be bad one season and be good the next and make the playoffs... seems like a lifetime ago the way things have gone smh. Appreciate that Tepper!! You really came through on your promise, because we're certainly not mediocre anymore... we're just bad...
Yeah, that begat the cardiac cats. I remember it through the Fox years, Rivera picked it up, and it was always good for the watercolor on Monday. Now it just sux.
😆 dude you're right on the money..
I don't blame Young, it is all on Tepper and his annoying AF wife Nicole. 😒
@@jairusbarringer7525Fitterer is responsible as well.
He's 5'9 180 pounds. Only delusional football fans thought he was that guy. He's getting worse every game. 🤷♂️
We have plentiful of delusional fans wanted Bryce Young. 😂😂😂
Whats funny the ole guy I talk to said that guy is small he is going to get hurt in there why would they pick him and I looked at him and said you think so he is really swift on his feet and good pocket presence 🤷♂️ I guess he is proving me wrong
The race is definitely over. 470yds and 5 TDs says so.
Race ain't over til he beats Bryce
@@ASTRALASPIE137he already as lol buddy is about to be rookie of the year and possibly mvp that’s checkmate. Y’all talking about panthers beating the Texans isn’t on stroud lol
@@ASTRALASPIE137lol. No one cares who won that game. The broncos beat the chiefs last week and no one thinks they are the better team. This is the nfl. Any given Sunday.
@@ASTRALASPIE137lol that's the only thing that helps yall feel good about the Bryce pick. Oh well, give Bryce the ROY over Stroud because he beat the Texans 😂
Here’s the problem. It’s not the line, receivers, coaching. It’s the fact his skill set is so limited you can’t put together a good game plan like you did with Andy Dalton when he dropped 400 and the offense looked serviceable. Too small to stand in pocket, too slow to run RPO/Scramble, arm too weak to throw deep so no vertical game. His play processing isn’t what it’s supposed to be either. So the only option is short passes and he’s turning it over so that’s also not working. This primarily is on one guy
He needs Kyle Murray, speed.
I feel your pain, but I respectfully disagree. Football is a team sport. To say that bad O-line play has no effect on a rookie QB and then blame everything on the QB seems a little disingenuous and looks like taking the easy way out to me. I can and will just as easily blame the O-line for the majority of this team's woes. Case in point, during his Super Bowl run with the Eagles last season, Miles Sanders averaged 75 ypg and was a 1k+ yard rusher. He was supposed to come to Carolina and restore faith in the running game after we traded away CMC. However, behind our O-line ONE season later, he is currently averaging 28 ypg. 28! Against the Bears, he rushed for a whopping -5 yards! So, this only proves that he isn’t what we thought he was and needs a top-tier O-line to be effective, which was the knock on him before and during the trade. Meanwhile, D'Andre Swift for the Eagles, who is virtually the same height, build, and speed as Sanders, is averaging 68 ypg! Before Swift got to Philly, he was NOT this good. So, you can blame Bryce all day long, but until we get some better protection and some more weapons (Theilen has 42% of the teams receiving yards, so defenses don’t have to guess where he’s going to throw the ball), I don’t care if you find Cam Newton and run RPO’s all day, behind this O-line will continue to suck and lose games.
What will y all do? If, Will Levis is a better quarterback than Bryce Young?
A quarterback y all could have drafted, and still have Moore, and still have a first round pick?
Wow.
Honest I wanted stroud, we got young wasn’t too happy about but now I’m numb to this season & this team I’m pretty done for the season it is what it is at this point 😑
They first made the mistake not taking SAM HOWELL in the third round of the 2022 draft. In 2023 we could have taken Jalen Carter.
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I completely agree
Yes because Sam Howell has lit the world up. The most sacked QB other than Daniel Jones
No they made mistake on not drafting Fields with Cam gone and or passing on Michah Parsons with Luke Kuechly departed and instead drafting Jaycee Horn
@@adriankendrick428144+ sacks and dudes still alive, that's an achievement
Doesn’t matter now. We’ll be bad for awhile because of this mistake
And many others.
I think part of the problem with Bryce is how specialized the team has to be around him. He was playing with the best recruits/team built for his style of play. He is not gifted athleticall(compared to other QBs) and doesn’t have the height. Until panthers can cater towards that I think he will stay bad. And basically that means they have to completely change their offensive personal. Which I don’t think is possible. There is no reason young should have been the first pick let alone give up what they did to get him.
For a six-foot and-under quarterback to succeed in the NFL, he typically needs to have some uncommon ability to overcome the height/size issue. I never saw what Bryce Young did at an uncommon level that overcame his shortcomings.
Thank you Carolina for CJ
Sincerely Houston fanbase
Texan fan here. Hang in there. Lots of myopia in being a sports fan. Patience is tough when your franchise is fresh off such an important draft. Nice show...like your clear headed thinking
Bryce Young will never be THAT. He doesn't have the physical tools to be THAT.
Hell yes tepper messed this one up Stroud was the pick
It was so obvious to pick CJ Stroud. I said it from way before the draft, he was more NFL ready for in game situations. On paper, Young looks great but he always looked average under pressure in the pocket.
Our awesome front office thought CJ was bumb and picked the only QB to piss off the combine
Did they not watch OSU play Georgia? Stroud put on a heck of a show.
Texans OL is ranked #10, Panthers OL is ranked #32. Fire Fitterer TODAY!!!
4:02 The coaches wanted the adult size QB. Tepper insisted on drafting Young
Thank you for the honest opinion. Unfortunately, I don’t see Bryce ever being a good QB.
Hey now, he might be pretty good if you put him in the USFL!
@@grandwonder5858And if the opposing team was The Little Sisters of the Poor Convent Team.
The question you should be asking is if you could go back in time & redraft would you still pick Bryce Young. And if not then that tells you all you need to know !
I wanted Stroud from the beginning because he seemed more NFL ready. Hope Bryce comes around 🙏
Same. Stroud showed by far the best mechanics from drop back to release, he was smooth and quick. That alone would have been the reason I take him 1st overall, without taking their physical characteristics into consideration.
“ Hope Bryce comes around.” --- He will…. once he has moved on to a more fitting league for him in the USFL!
I think Bryce will come around but I dont think he'll ever be up to CJ's level.
lol is Bryce even better than will Levis?
No and that’s the scary part
“Did the Carolina Panthers draft the wrong quarterback with Bryce Young instead of CJ Stroud?” -- You think? It takes you that long to finally realizing it, huh? Duh!
Bryce Young is the new Zach Wilson. This isn't going to end well.
He's worse imo. As for physical ability/talent....Zack is superior lol
Finally I was wondering when you would admit the truth😂🤘🏽
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let the excuses roll in
Cj is that dude glad panthers passed on him
CJ has weapons that can get seperation, better protection, better coaching, better run game. & i can point to countless statistics that prove my point if you wanna argue with me. If Bryce still looks like this next yr then sure.... Talk that sh*t
@@panther189_man hell naw they been struggling to run the ball and honestly nobody praised they’re weapons before he got there Noah brown Nico collins come on man Lmao the coaching is the only clear advantage
@@bizzyboomin9277 F*ck no. They had robert woods as well lol. Whos better than every wr/te on the panthers minus Thielen.. Dalton Schultz is better than every wr/te but Thielen. Nico Collins only problem was he couldn't stay healthy. Hes a great deep threat.. Hes better than everyone but Thielen as well. Tank Dell another speedy wr. Even if he is a rookie. You could argue the run game is equal , but id consider singletary & pierce to be better than Hubbard & Sanders who was nothing more than a product of Philly anyways. The O line has unquestionably played better for Houston. Bryce has been sacked 8 more times despite playing 1 less game & their the 4th most penalized team on offense in the league. All we have is Thielen who doesnt have the speed he use to anymore. Theres a reason he has 42 more catches than the next closet guy on the team lol. & theres a reason why our wrs have the least seperation in the league & nobody can get open🤣they all sorry. Chark whos a 1 yr wonder who never played a full season? Tmarsh 2nd round bust? Hurst 1st round bust? Ian Thomas & tommy tremble? Blocking tes? Mingo who never did anything in college & got over drafted off traits in round 2 & has does nothing so far?? Viska 2nd round bust... Like stop it🤣the Texans unquestioningly have more talent on offense
@@panther189_wah wah wah
You’re right about flipping the QBS, CJ is all around way better. He’s smarter and has better decision making. If anything everyone was doubting us coming into the season. Panthers were more promising before and after the draft. But too bad so sad we’re a lot better because of CJ.
As a Houston fan I’ll say this. Stroud has more weapons and probably a better o line. But young doesn’t have the arm strength, poise, and moxie that cj has.
It’s weird because he had that it factor at Alabama now he looks like a scared mouse
CJ is making his weapons the “weapons”. Thats what a good QB does. “Don’t overhype the Texans supporting cast”. He himself said that in this video lol
I’m a Texans fan. Please stay out of other teams business
CJ is the ‘weapon’! He elevates everyone around him!
@@darnejackson1why? I'm a Texans fan too and when they lost to the Panthers. Here came the Panther fans to our social media pages talking shit even tho we never talked shit to them. I guess it helps them feel better about drafting Young
I was so annoyed on draft night. I was like what are you doing! 😮💨 CJ was the pick not the 5 10 guy!
Seems like Tepper means well, but his football judgement has to be questioned after 5 years of failure.
Of course it should be. He thinks that because he was successful in one field, he's automatically good in every field. He has an over inflated since of himself. Running a successful NFL team is a lot different than running a hedge fund.
The trade up to draft Bryce will do lots of damages. I'm a Texans fan, but I hope Bryce do well and help the team. I feel bad for the dude
For once, probably ever, the Texans owner, McNair stepped in and forced the Texans to go after a qb this year instead of only drafting Will Anderson jr. at 2. If not for this the Texans probably would have tried to grab a qb in free agency and/or the 2024 draft.
So without McNair sticking his nose in to force a move the coaches weren't 100% down with, the Texans could have missed one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. (this is assuming of course he continues to either play at his current level or, god forbid, gets even better as he gains more experience.
Something to consider though is how many times ownership has done this in the past with Houston football teams and it has worked out positively almost never.
The answer is of corse. CJ had an all time performance, it’s not like good for a rookie, it’s just good.
Dont blame the coaches. David Tepper stepped in. Owners have the right to do that but it often doesnt work out😂
Stroud did his buddy a favor and in his belief is to give and you will be rewarded. He took a loss for his friend and was given History. Believe in your faith and he will reward you.
😂🤞🏾
@@einsteinsuc7078 he went from 140yds to 470 5TD. He was throwing dines. The Carolina game oh I miss a few throws. That doesn't look good. That handshake at the end of the game was like I gotcha man. Good luck!
He's such a good christian😂
@@torah6077 you can call it what you want. I call it Karma.
@@torah6077 you can also see it the other way. Young made a deal then had one of his worst performances.
This was on tepper and whatever rocket scientists in the front office telling him that they were one QB away from being a winning team for sure.
I heard a statistic yesterday that got me. Frank Riech's last 4 games the team didn't get a single 1st down before getting canned last year. Why would we hire him? Fire Reich!!
It will take a while for the gamecto slow down for Young. Stroud clearly makes those around him, better.
I think they gave up too much to get Young..he has no protection around him
Didnt you guys beat Stroud last week?? Try not to get too caught in comparing yourselves to other. Just worry about how this team can get better..
Broncos beat the chiefs last week. No one cares. It happens lol. It’s hard not to look over and be upset . If they have up nothing to get Bryce young they could still be upset. But they gave up soooooo much to get him.
@calebhoffman6368 I've seen the tape on qb school on Young. The tape is good, it's just he has no help. This Him vs Georgia in the national championship a couple years ago when all his weapons were hurt in the rematch of the SEC championship
When he had his weapons he torched Georgia and their 30 future nfl draft prospects on D. In the title game, he struggled but still had moments. The concerning thing is the happy feet. Howell has been sacked 15 more times than Young and he does t have happy feet and it hasn't affected him.. Carolina needs weapons and some online improvements.
The fact you have to ask yourself this question already tells you.
Texans OL runs circles around Carolina
They said b4 the draft panthers wanted cj , what happened?
Tepper
“Hello darkness my old friend”
I don't think drafting Young was the problem per se. The issue is they gave up four premium draft picks and their best receiver just to get him and then saddled him with with a sub-par offensive line. Put that together and they have pretty much guaranteed his rookie year and probably next season will be a disaster. They've put him into a Tim Couch or David Carr situation.
Ask a GA fan, when Bryce was under pressure from them Dawgs he was not good.
Yep, and if that OSU reciever had not just fallen down the Buckeyes would have beaten UGA in that national semifinal game.
@@sidviscous5959that had nothing to with reciever that was bad 4th qtr coaching decision
Why do we even keep asking the question?
The worst part is you don’t have your first round pick. What is the plan to put more talent around Bryce.
Glad I’m a Texans fan! Thanks Mr Tepper! Thanks Lovie!
He would be running for his life just like Bryce is they were switched.
I respect you alot because you keep it 100. Unlike that Chris Lea guy who’s biased and delusional.
Too early to evaluate on Young. Thats it and that's all.
LOL Y'all funny. I aint gone lie.I was flip flopping during the draft. I'm so glad we didn't go number one. The media had me loving Bryce Young. I was like well CJ Stroud did look good out there.He's gotta be better than Davis Mills. Davis was extremely Awful. CJ has definitely filled the void for Deshaun Watson . GO TEXANS!
He's been throwing screen pass interceptions thats pathetic 😂😂😂😂
I wanted my Texans to draft Stroud from the get go. Based strictly on CJs ball placement and Height. Bryce still might be a good QB. He's 8 games in to his career.
I think Bryce might be pretty good if he plays in the USFL! The NFL might be way over his head!
@@grandwonder5858He'd be 🔥 in the XFL like PJ Walker
4:01-4:08, they didnt want bryce, they wanted cj stroud it was tepper who made that decision
All year long with this debate 😅 but in the end, it really comes down to one. qb is just better than the other an ppl cant except that
Too little
Hopefully this will be the end of first-round quarterbacks under 6 ft tall because that's just ridiculous 💯
Big difference in the players that the Panthers have vs the Texans. We had a legit #1 and traded him away. We replaced him with an end of career slot receiver that fell into #1 (not necessarily an X, just the highest target share). DJ Chark has never been THE guy, just a gadget. Miles Sanders got traded because he wasn't needed to win (we have Hubbard who was playing well BEFORE we got AND released D'Onta Foreman - another mistake). Spend the 2nd on Mingo and do idk what after we spent another pick on Marshall previously to do ? We got a new coach who was a complete bust with his last coaching opportunity.
The Texans at least looked capable in small chunks last year with their young RB and the returning WR. They added so many pieces to support through the draft, we didn't do that because we sold the farm. We're gonna be bad this year, I didn't expect that much else given how trash the line is to compile on the lack of weapons, small QB and bad play calling with no identity at the run game.
I wanted CJ but think these are 2 elite options, one just has a higher floor. CJ was more NFL ready and joined a team that was closer to competing. Not like it makes a huge difference but Bryce DID win their first head to head in the NFL, even if it was 13-15 lol I'm not panicking. 1 season doesn't show your future, less yet half of one.
I'm a Texan fan. I think y'all are bailing too soon on Bryce. He looked great against us. Yes, we are very happy with Stroud, but, Bryce doesn't appear to be a scrub, from what I saw. Now, I can't speak to your coaching situation, GM, or ownership, that's a whole other situation. But Bryce could turn into something good.
We scored 15 points and Bryce was still unable to throw deep or do more than dink and dunk. You can’t win anything with a QB like that.
You’re right! Bryce might have a bright future in the USFL!
@@grandwonder5858Are you a bot programmed to make only one point?
that's my backup quarterback on your meter there pal
It is what it is attitude is not the right attitude to have. Can quickly lose the fans
Bryce will be fine after y'all get him better protection and a #1 WR.
This guy is joking about,"cj is above average".
He just hatin cj elite mvp contender boutta win the division
There are 3 ways to answer the questions....yes, yes and yes.
He just needs a new HC , linemen , WRs, TE, rb. Then you can evaluate him. But for now like Bryce says “it is what it is”
This fanbase is a joke. I hope y'all keep the same energy if Bryce turns it around. Sickening how fast y'all turned on a rookie QB.
I have to disagree. Our front office took the QB that walked around the combine with his book bag instead of competing. We passed on a QB that put on a show in the GA game and the combine by showing he can make passes all over the field. I like Bryce but how many years is it going to take him to reach the level CJ is playing now? Don’t be mad at the fanbase or Bryce, be mad at the management.
@@tyjackson7696 Oh don't get me wrong I'm furious at management for not giving Bryce any help but I'm tired of fans acting like we wouldn't be in a similar situation with Stroud.
@unc54 bro you hit the nail on the head I read these comments and it's just a bunch of insufferable people who want to bitch about everything. They want to throw it all on bryce I've never had confidence in our coaching staff and tepper. Like how do you turn around and hire a coach that got fired from his last job for losing. It's also like we got the worst because there was nothing better out there we literally hired Reich first. Then no moves for o line in the off season or a real WR1 but because we are losing everything has to be bryces fault. Stroud is better because he is in a situation where people have a plan and believe in it. I honestly don't think he'd shine for us either Reich doesn't seem to fire anyone up.
Andy Dalton 360 yards passing against Seattle says 👋
It’s a bad scheme for panthers how often are they trying to cover their weaknesses by trying move the pocket and rolling out
It’s so fucking hard to be a panthers fan us missing on cj is a big let down I wanted him from the jump to an now look what we did I’d give him to next year but gosh damn man if we still had dj moore an have up burns we probably be in a better spot this shit really makes me want to pick a different team 😂😂 but I can’t hopefully after his rookie year he starts balling out I guess will see we better get the best wr in free agent for Bryce an a better o line men
Tbf I’ve always liked the Texans receivers. And Nico Collins is in his 1st year as a pro. Noah Brown came in clutch a few times for Dak and I don’t like the Cowboys
As a Texans fan who has watched the majority of the Panthers games this year (I have a Panthers fan as a friend and we watch them together) I still fully believe Bryce will be really good once yall fix the O-line and get him some weapons. I myself will give a rookie QB more than half a season with lackluster coaching, O-line play and 1 decent receiver before I judge.
Bryce will be pretty good once he starts playing in NFL Europe!
The race is over. I know Hindsight is twenty-twenty but my gut feeling when both were coming out was CJ projected better to the NFL game. Bryce is built differently in terms of overall performance in college but CJ's entire arsenal is built for Sundays. The Panthers made a huge mistake passing on Stroud
Mistake? Do we really know if it was a mistake? Because its only there first season
CJ Stroud make offense look better, just like in Ohio St CJ make Ohio St WRs look better.
This is the craziest football take I have seen this year. CJ stroud made Ohio state WRs look better? Who did CJ stroud have at Ohio State, Chris Olave, Garret Wilson, JXN, Emeke Egbuka, Marvin Harrison Jr, etc.
@@reasonablegentleman well look at J Smith Njigba in Seattle now, he doesn't look good with other qb. And Look at Texans no name wrs playing with CJ who has better numbers?
@@AndyTN64 Njigba is third on the team in catches and yards behind Metcalf and Lockett, nobody expected anything else. He is also on pace for 600 yards and 4 tds as on a team that had two clearcut WRs
@@reasonablegentleman exactly my points Ohio St WRs didn't make CJ look good, CJ make any WRs in Ohio St. or NFL look better than normal.
@@AndyTN64 That doesn't make any sense because 2 of Strouds Wrs from last year already had 1000 and 1100 yard seasons in the NFL and are on their way to their second 1000 yard season this year. Marvin Harrison JR is about to be a top 5 pick, despite only really playing 2 to 3 quarters per game, and the guy that you think is not playing well is on pace for 600 yards 4 tds as the 3rd wr on a team that had two probowl talents ahead of him. CJ stroud didn't make those guys, 80% of NFL GMs would trade their entire WR room for CJ strouds 2021 WRs(JXN,Chris Olave,Garrett Wilson, Marvin Harrison, Emeka Egbuka)
Stroud is simply in a better situation, saying they made a mistake taking bryce over stroud...is pretty damn dumb. Bryce is the better qb, once the situation gets better so will he.
Riech and mccown wanted stroud. Tepper and wife forced them to get young
Panthers are bad everywhere and they traded the future for a game manager
I’ve been saying this all year this was perfect
we moved that meter way up for one good drive so this should be interesting
Yes they drafted the wrong guy.
Bryce didn’t play good at all I get that but we have to realize the moves our owner, GM, and coaches made this year during the offseason were terrible. No o line help to protect Bryce when we knew Corbett would be out some games and you sign a 33 year old receiver who is slow as molasses being the #1 in this offense. There’s no excuses made for Bryce he has to be better but no quarterback can be good in the offense if you ask me with the amount of pressure Bryce is enduring. Stroud is gonna be good in this league but let’s stop writing off Bryce and put together a competent front office and better players then say he’s a bust if that don’t work out
But this wasn’t what we was sold on draft night. Watch all the draft coverage before draft too. Bryce was hyped as a player that could come in and make the team better. This he has not done.
@@robertpatterson3106 yea I’m not denying that either. You’re 100% right. Tepper emphasized “point guard”
I'll admit I might be wrong about Bryce over CJ. But i also admit i wanted Richardson and Levis over both.
How can you even ask that question? The answer is so obvious that they made a mistake not taking stroud
The offensive line is more the problem than young he stays on his rump more than his feet,,they need the right coaches and some more beef on the offensive line
Panthers roster sucks man they have no offensive line or wide receiver shouldn't of hired Frank Reich as well
Bryce is better than what has shown, look Steve Smith said best when you compare both rosters, the Texans have a much better defense, offensively Stroud have better weapons, and a much better o-line, Carolina has a ways to go and has to start in the off-season, so panther fans temper those expectations
Did the Bears and 10 other teams make a mistake not drafting Mahomes?
yeah, sure, and Michael Jordan was the third overall draft pick in the NBA when he came out.
2 pic sixes on same Type of play flat to the running back. Tell him there is 100 yards of field not just 5 yards. He’s trash. Can’t blame the coaches if tepper told them to take him
Watch both CJ and the #1 pick next year win 10 super bowls
I knew this before the draft,but you just cant stop that sec hype train.
Im a Ohio state fan and laughed when you choose that Alabama qb 🤣
Also Bennett outplayed Young in the Natty!
Look at the tape then tell me he can do much better than what he’s already doing with what he has for protection and a receiving core.
This piece is 1000% spot on. I wanted Stroud. 70% of Panthers fans wanted Bryce. We got Bryce. Give Bryce time. But darn it all!
Thanks panthers 😘
Not even a question.
Dave Tepper is football AlDS
Bryce Young will never be a top quarterback in the NFL. He’s too small.