On The Trail - Investigating The Child Who Vanished At Crater Lake (Sam Boehlke)
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This video covers the case of Sam Boehlke in Crater Lake National Park.
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That is an incredibly thick forest. Seeing it really puts into perspective how someone could be missing for so long.
As an Oregonian thank you for showing off our state, even if it's missing/dead people. Can't wait for you to drag the Lore Lodge guys out West so they can see what real mountains and forests look like.
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I think the strange and absolutely inexplicable part of this case is why no footprints were found. Even more and absolutely inexplicable is one of the dogs were not able to pick up a scent for very long. This is one of the absolutely inexplicable cases and did something pick the boy up and carry him in that case there wouldn't be any tracks. Now I'm going to offer of somewhat unlikely scenario the Indians always claim that Sasquatch took children. I don't understand why the dogs couldn't find the boy or his scent and I don't understand why tracks were not found. Even if you found a place and he should be tracks leading up to it. I'm sure they had very good trackers up there to kind of people that can track an ant through a cornfield. Can all dogs can do is pick up the scent and they are usually very successful but what makes the 411 cases so mysterious is even though the dog can't fail it does fail. And I know if I was out there it would be Erie to me but I would look behind every log and everything and I'm sure I wouldn't find anything if 200 people could not. When you're out there you would think okay I'm just going over one more Hill and then you see something that makes the next Hill look good and so you go there. Seeing how no clothes or no tracks or even a scent was found makes it extremely strange.
@@danielwebster5748 So, you're saying there are no tracks cause 'something' picked up the boy, yet, there are no tracks of this so-called 'something' that supposingly carried him away oO You didn't think that out, did you? Dogs did pick up Sam's scent, sporadically, but since it 'snowed' it kind of made things a lil difficult for the dogs to do their job. BTW Dogs are not one hundred percent effective in finding a scent.
They should have had his mother on a loud speaker saying "Sam, you won. You are the best hider. Now, come out, dear and let's go home!" No matter if he was scared of loud noises or not, he would have heard his mother's voice and that would have made all the difference.
My thought too.
I thought that before finding out the story about him hiding. Not that specific but have his parents' voices telling him to come out. Seems really obvious I wonder if they did anything like it.
@@thecaptainsnark -Good point. I agree with you. Sometimes rescuers make mistakes, too.
At some point his parents must of been allowed to shout for him, certainly when night falls that would happen.
That poor boy. Imagine at first thinking you’re playing a game of “catch me” only to later realize you yourself are lost and alone in the cold dark night. Rest in peace, Sam.
This clown puts an ad every 3 minutes. This greedy creator who just recycles stories from other channels and he has another ad to start the video. This channel will not grow
Natural selection is a beast.
Wouldn't have happened if he didn't run off like a dummy.
Steven Seagal 😂
@@mistrjt9213 Forgive him, the boy was autistic.
What you describe of Sam hiding and thinking he’s playing a game, does make excluding the parents from the search seem like a grave error.
AUTISM
My thoughts exactly. I think they should of had his mom try again like she did the last time he'd hidden and they couldn't find em. Police and fire crew couldn't find em the first time. Why they thought they'd find em this time is beyond me.
@@joshuabryant9845 Exactly. Mom should have been able to call for him from the get. Especially after an hour or two of searching proved unfruitful. I wonder if whoever made that decision for the search, is haunted by it.
If the searchers had been told that Sam didn't like loud noises etc. and they'd realised they couldn't use airhorns and whistles and the like then they would have been anticipating an overreliance on their search dogs, because they wouldn't have had many other options. So I can understand them prioritising giving the dogs the best possible chance by keeping Sam's parents away. After that, if Sam's mother didn't mention the story about Sam coming out at her call then there's no way they would have known so they wouldn't have factored that in to their strategy. It's a messy situation. I'm certain the searchers did the best they could and made the best decisions they could with the information they had.
@@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S.problem is a parent calling out to a child is such a simple tactic it shouldn’t have needed to be mentioned to try it. That’s info any normal person would be thinking at some point not to far off from start, if not from the start.
So by technicality, no, the rescuers did not do the best they could with the info they had, they had a simple option that was basic info anyone would know and didn’t act on it, whether purposefully or not, that is a slight fail. I say slight cause sadly, even if that was done, I have a feeling he still wouldn’t have been found, for whatever reason, that and I do think parents could’ve been a bit more pushy themselves. At least in the context of throwing ideas out, whether they should be ones the rescuers are already thinking or not, simple or complex.
To find Sam at the park, his mom screamed out that he was the best hider. Screamed. I wonder if the parents had been allowed to search and the mom did the same thing again, they might have had better luck than they did by keeping the parents away and searching in relative quiet. We'll never know.
That was the only thing I could think about through the whole thing!
Same here. They could have used bull horns or loud speakers to say the same thing again. I don't think it was smart to leave the parents and their voices out of the initial search. Too late now..
I'm pertty sure any parent showing up to a search area designated for their son or daughter, would have initially screamed out for them. I'm thinking the SAR members didn't want the parents to expose themselves to the possiblility of becoming a medical emergency during their search efforts.
No the mom didn’t participate in the search and couldn’t recollect her original idea that worked.
I know that park, Sellwood Park, very well. Very tall trees, almost always in shade. It is interesting that park, and Crater Lake both have very very tall trees.
I can’t imagine being this boy’s poor parents and having to live with that the rest of their lives 😢
The dad , not being able to catch him ,
@@Camodeep7583 😢😢
Poor boy? Ever heard of natural selection?
Awful parents let their special needs kid think it’s fun to hide and dig 🤦♂️
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I think you are spot on regarding this case. I do think it is likely the searchers underestimated the distances the boy may have traveled. While the search area was about 2 miles beyond the road, for a active 8 yr old, that is not far to travel in a short time. If his remains are found after some 17 years, I think they will likely be outside of the initial search area.
When I was 8 and my brother was 6 we used to cover like 5 or 6 miles round trip in like 4 hrs easy exploring the massive cattle grazing lands behind our land. Literally just exploring for fun. We'd take a water bottle and carry big sticks in case we ran into critters, and that was an easy relaxing weekend activity to us. If we had been lost out there trying to get home I'd put money on us covering way more ground, especially if we got desperate.
That scenario seems to be what happens more often then not. Last year there was a women from Idaho who went missing they found her car about an hour south of my location in oregon. They searched for a few weeks by ground and Air and found nothing. Then Just last month the family hired a private drone operator that took video of a large portion of the area where her car was found. The operator then sent it to a company called Aloft Drone Search that analyzed the footage and they sent coordinates to the Sheriff's department of where they believed possible human remains were located on the video. Sure enough it was her and the Sheriff's department said in a press release that the location was just out side the official search area.
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22 minutes later: I think you nailed it. The child gets far enough out and hides somewhere, then avoids coming out when hearing searchers. It gets very, very cold there. Tragedy can happen quickly in this situation. Very hard to even think about.
I still find it odd the dogs couldn’t find him. Unless he fell into some kind of crevice or cave.
@@cowboydan507 great point. These “lava tubes” that The Enigma mentioned perhaps?
I agree @ac-v5360
@@cowboydan507dogs aren't full proof. Searchers aren't full proof either. They make mistakes.
I enjoy you’re straight fwd compassionate no nonsense way of telling these stories. And it always helps to be able to see the terrain.
Thanks
If you’re a parent knowing that this is something you’re child could do why risk bringing your kid somewhere like this? At some point the rescue workers could have tried making noises just to get him to move so they could possibly see him. I don’t know this case sounds really bizarre. Prayers to the families🙏🏻
After the first time, I feel like teaching him the importance of coming back - maybe to a safe word- or something, and not taking him places like this until it was drilled into him. I know hindsight is easy, but it just seems like there were no repercussions or changes from the first time.
Yeah that thought came to me when ME mentioned that they needed the fire department and police when they couldn't find him playing hide and seek. If you know your kid has hidden so well they got them involved maybe it's not the best idea to take them to a place like that, at least not without a child leash. Hell this whole situation might have never happened if they had him on a literal leash.
I was literally just wondering the exact same thing. I would not have taken him there without a leash on his clothes. If at all. I certainly would not have let him out of my sight out there.
My mom literally put a leash on me since I used to do the same thing. Not to the same extent of never coming out, but I freaked my parents out enough that they sometimes put a leash on me. It worked.
There's no way you could make me not search for my own child.
I know, if one of my kids was missing nothing would stop me from looking of him.
Nothing!
They could have recorded his mother or father's voice saying certain things that might attract him, but if it truly messes up the dog's tracking it is not worth risking.
@@Arlong1776yeah, I'm sure their intentions made sense, but I agree with you that the sound of their voices would be important.
Plus, if it was your kid, I just can't imagine being rational. I wouldn't be able to not look.
You would have to shoot me to keep me from searching
Considering it was the mother’s voice that brought him out of hiding previously, you’d think they’d have at least let her call out for him after the dogs had covered a certain area.
It's a lot easier than people think to get turned around in the woods and wander deeper into danger. I think Sam likely did this and walked well outside of the search area and died from exposure.
The search area is TINY, ive seen too many cases solved by people searching OUTSIDE the initial search area....seems "authorities" consistently underestimate how far a child can travel.
@@markjackson3531 Yeah, I forget the name but one case of a family with a "sickly"(questions about how sick exist) daughter went to a tropical forest area for a vacation. The daughter apparently opened the window in the middle of the night and wandered off to explore the tropical forest. It took weeks to find her because searchers drastically under-estimated how far she could go. So the initial search was far too close.
@@marhawkman303 i think i remember that case, suspicious if you ask me....was that the one where the parents were suspected of giving her sedatives and then going out to bars? Easy to understand how someone could kill her (or she died unintentionally from the sedatives) and leave her in the rain forest for weeks, destroying any evidence of what happened.....the cops in those areas will do anything to cover up murders of tourists because they dont want business scared away.
@@marhawkman303 I'm fairly certain she was kidnapped and killed in that case imo
@@cleanerben9636 That's what made the case so weird... there's no sign of another person involved. She didn't have any sign of having been murdered, there was nothing but an open window that had been opened from the inside.
Weird as it seems, she apparently just walked off into the woods on her own. Was she trying to get killed? almost certainly not. But accidents happen I guess.
I really really appreciate that youre not hinting at the possibility than an undiscovered ape species kidnapped a kid. Instead of a kid getting lost in the woods. It drives me nuts that anytime someone gets lost, theres a mystery around it. Appreciate it man thanks
It was eerie and sad knowing that he is probably right there somewhere in or very near to the area you walked through. Hopefully one day something of him will be found to lend resolution and some closure. Love your videos. Thank you.
Thank you for covering another Oregon case. I feel strongly for anyone who has suffered or is suffering right now in our forests lost and alone, especially the children. Never underestimate the Oregon woods, be cautious always!
He never seems concerned about his well being while he's out where someone went missing. Unless he's that good at hiding it
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 Because he's unlikely to go missing, just like any of the other hundreds of thousands of people who walk through these sites every year. If he were in serious bear territory, or out of season, maybe he would be more concerned. He's certainly not going to be wary in case flying Bigfoots swoop on him.
Someone is filming him, so he isn't alone. When he went to Craters of the Moon Park, same thing, someone was following along filming and it was daytime not at sunset.@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
@@Mr.MFuckingYTchangedmynameNo, but mountain lions will kill children and drag the body somewhere inaccessible.
Oh my goodness, my autistic son went thru a hide & seek phase when he was around 4-5yrs old. We'd be running around everywhere, looking. Finally figured out if I yelled "Where's K___?" he'd pop up & yell back "Here I am!" every time. It was still scary, though, thinking maybe this time he wouldn't yell back. He's 14 now & thankfully that was a short-lived phase.
I think you're right, they'll find him in a little cave, under shrubbery.. some little hidey-hole. It's so sad. The video y'all took of Crater Lake & the area is so beautiful & no one wants to think something that tragic could happen in such a picturesque, serene spot.
Would you have ever taken him to the wilderness alone during that phase?
@@angelmartin7310 : That's a very good question. Now, here's another question for you. Kenneth Boehlke says he took his autistic 8-year-old son Samuel hiking and sight-seeing in Crater Lake National Park. Why would he have done that, knowing Sam's nature? And here's another question: Is there any independent verification that Samuel Boehlke ever got within 30 miles of Crater Lake National Park? Soooo much of this story comes from the testimony of just 1 man that it's frightening.
Crater Lake is eerie, make no mistake about that.
@@RobbieHatleyOh! A conspiracy! I like it!
@@MeanBeanComedy : Normally, conspiracies, when real, quickly unravel, and the more people are involved the faster they unravel, because people blab.
However, if only _one_ person is involved, conspiracies often remain mysteries forever.
Example #1: Jack The Ripper. He murdered at least 5 people in London in the 1880s. But even after 135 years of sleuthing by thousands of professionals and millions of amateurs, we _still_ don't know who he was. He was "a conspiracy of one".
Example #2: The Zodiac Killer. He murdered at least 5 people in my state (California) in the 1960s and 1970s. But even after 60 years of investigating, we _still_ don't know who he was. He was "a conspiracy of one".
In the Sam Boehlke case, how many people corroborate the testimony of Kenneth Boehlke? On most issues, zero. Most of the "information" (misinformation, maybe?) we have in this case comes from one source only: Kenneth Boehlke. Is he of good character? I dunno. Is he telling the truth? I dunno. Did he have motive and opportunity to do something foul to Sam Boehlke and cover it up? Lots of both!
So in my mind, Kenneth Boehlke is a major suspect in the Sam Boehlke case, primarily because he's the "information bottleneck". If his information had been confirmed by others, that would be a different situation. But as it stands, I suspect him of being "a conspiracy of one", yes.
Having been invovled in searching for a man missing in the Bankhead National Forest I can tell you first hand that it is like looking a a needle in a haystack. It is hard to understand unless you have actually been involved in a search of how it is possilbe in a wooded area to be extremely close to the location of a person and still not see them. Second, if a person is lost and still moving they can travel miles from where you think they should be located , and may be it a different direction then you expected them to travel. I can truly understand how a person can get lost in the wilderness and then never be found or be found by chance years later. You do a great job explaining all the information on these cases and then offer reasonable explainations.
As someone with mild autism that doesn't sound like mild autism
It sounds much more severe..
I think "mild" here might mean "well, he isn't non-verbal".
I've roomed with a fellow with "mild autism". He wasn't afraid of lights or sounds, and didn't run and hide. Though he did (and does) like to spend most of his time playing games instead of working, doing chores, or interacting with people. That's "mild autism". Sam Boehlke, on the other hand, sounds like he suffered "moderate autism". And I have another friend who has a son with "moderate-to-severe autism"; that boy is having a "good day" if he can go a whole day without smashing things and manages to speak in full sentences; other days, he goes completely berserk. So there's all kinds of behaviors on The Spectrum.
@@RobbieHatley My mom works with severely autistic non verbal seniors, my cousins are mildly autistic, the spectrum is vast..
Was your roommate 8 years old? If not I don't think it's a very good comparison. @@RobbieHatley
My nephew has autism and when he was younger, he used to run off at every opportunity, so I can relate to this tragic story. It just so happens that his name is Sam too.
My nephew has autism as well and when he was a child he would run off and disappear as soon as no one was looking.
My daughter has autism and her name is also Sam, I never let her hands go when we walk around, I feel so sad to find this story out, I can't even imagine the pain.
I appreciate the fact that you actually took viewers to the park. These national parks are true wilderness and really rugged. I don’t know why we would be surprised that people go missing in them, particularly when that person is on the autism spectrum and likes to hide and is afraid of loud noises…
I agree with the conclusion. It's easy to picture the circumstances leading up to the kid finding an epic hiding spot, then maybe experiencing hypothermia due to the weather. I've also been to Crater Lake multiple times and that forest does seem quite rugged. Just a very sad case.
It’s still odd the dogs couldn’t find him.
@@cowboydan507 Dog's are nowhere close to being a hundred percent effective.
@@deerichardz Yeah, this is the sort of terrain dogs are super iffy. his footprints probably won't have enough scent, so they'd have to get close enough to smell him directly.
@@marhawkman303 It's the kind of condition that depends on which way the wind blows. Nice to see someone understand how dogs are not a 'guarantee'.
Man, you Americans are lucky to live near such amazing natural beauty.
Some of us are. The Pacific North West is ridiculously pretty. But nothing in America is close really I live up here and crater lake is a 5 hour drive 😂
In many of our cases, we're not close. America is huge but if able & inclined, yeah there are some amazing places to go. On the flip, I'm intrigued by old European cities 😂
I do feel blessed we have so many different landscapes to experience in the US. I talk with a lot of older folks and it's a shame many of them never left their state and had no desire to.
Define Near. I live about 2000km from there and I'm still in the NW quadrent of the US. US mainland is big
I definitely feel lucky.
I could imagine the exhilaration Sammy must’ve felt for a while, seeing how beautiful that area is and how fun it would be to climb & hide. Poor wee fella…when that exhilaration gave way to abject fear, being all alone. Thanks so much for sharing his story!
A rather sad case and heartbreaking for the parents. As a copper i know from Glasgow told me never underestimate what a child can do or where they might go.
Yes, but then again, a UFO might have beamed him up. Or Bigfoot. 😂
I genuinely think people underestimate just how much ground kids can cover.
@Mr.MFuckingYTchangedmyname k but hear me out... these are potentional causes, you honestly never know. Some people wouldn't think about stuff like that and it's a definite possibility, like I believe in ufos and bigfoot 100%. I believe they have under ground tunnels where they steal kids in woods, I will believe anything if it's been convinced and there's sightings cause the world is full of unbelievable things and they stay hidden because no one believes.
@@SuicideVanand fearlessness. Doing things adults would not even consider.
@@SuicideVan They certainly do. in this case, a roughly 4 mile search area? WAY too small, I've seen many cases solved by people searching well outside the initial search area that was deemed "too far" for the child to have traveled.
One of these days he's going to inadvertently find the remains of one of the missing people.
Maybe if he searches _south_ of Crater Lake, he actually will. Just a hunch. (No point searching _north_ , because that's already been searched, because that's where the authorities were _told_ the missing child was. But something tells me that wasn't exactly true.)
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Whoever made that decision to sideline the parents because they were worried about throwing the tracking dogs off the scent was incompetent. You mean the parents calling for the boy with a megaphone or something would be a hindrance and would have scared the boy into running off and hiding?! Loud noises and your parents voices calling for you are not the same thing come on!!!
Loud noises are still loud noises. One thing people don't seem to understand is that to an autistic person, things are different. I literally went through a phase of about five years where I could not wear jeans because they felt funny. Not a case of "No thanks, I don't like them." But getting grounded for cutting up any jeans my parents bought to avoid wearing them.
If he had issues as severe as mentioned with loud noises, even his parents voice on a megaphone would likely have the same effect as an air horn. While most people could tell the difference, autistic people have a different brain and things get processed VERY differently.
If they failed to find him while the tracking of the dogs was destroyed (it's not something which then would be okay later) the authorities would have been blamed for allowing the parents. It's hard to know what the answer may have been... maybe the kid had gone well out of the search range.
I’ll tell you who is incompetent-
The father who takes his kid that likes to hide to the woods and then lets him run off!
@@planexshifter Accidents happen.
@@Plaprad I have a autistic brother so am fairly familiar with the intricacies/peculiarities of the illness and how it changes on a case by case basis but desperate situations call for desperate measures. I'm not saying pull it out on day one but in a life and death situation after two days of turning up nothing I believe they should have tried every resource available. Who knows maybe the loud noises would have scared the boy out of his hiding place let's say and caused him to run and he could have been spotted then who knows. The police just dropped the ball on this one in my opinion
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Good take on this one, on the 2nd day, they should have called out and used sounds, regardless of the child's previous issues, when he got hungry and cold he would likely revert back to human instinct and move toward sound. If fowl play is not to blame here, his remains cant be more than 10 miles from that spot. Very sad to and scary to see how people can just vanish into the woods and never be seen again.
Thank you once again for such a well delivered sad tale. I always remember being introduced to a young girl who was autistic, many years ago and being told by her mother, "My daughter takes everything literally, so please be thoughtful of your words." That was back in the early 80's and those words have remained with me. Words of wisdom from a caring mother about her child who had challenges. May the spirit of young Sam soar.
Thank you for covering this case with such compassion and insight. Both of my parents are college friends of Sam’s dad, he’s a really talented local sports artist who’s done quite a few portraits for us of some of our favorite athletes. Sammy was also pretty close to the age of my younger sister, who also has a developmental disability.
It’s so frustrating that the parents weren’t allowed to partake more directly in the search, especially for those first few days. I hope that his remains are recovered someday and his family can find closure.
Your ability to share these cases the way you do is on an entire different level than what is readily available. You are the channel that gets everything put on standby to watch when posted. Thanks for that, i think🤔.. 😆
I don't want to sound awful, like i really don't want to do that but if the kid had a history of doing stuff like this and his parents know this then why did his dad let him get that far ahead of him in the first place, in fact why would he take him to a forest at all...at least take another adult or two with you. As someone with ADHD and Autism, i know we can be tricky to deal with but my god they literally had to get the Police and Fire Brigade out over a game of hide and seek and he was apparantly behind a damn tree the whole time.
If that were me i'd have taken precautions to make sure he can't bolt knowing fine rightly i might not be able to find him.
Like i cannot stress enough i am not saying its his fault, it's unfortunate what happened and odds are the dad panicked when he saw Sammy start to run. But surely if your kid (whether on the spectrum or not) had a history of doing stuff like this thinking it was a game, you would at least get one of those kid leash things to prevent him going too far from you, or at the very least he could have asked Sammy to show him what he'd seen.
I know its easy for me to say this being on the internet and hindsight, but his parents clearly knew he treated situations like this like games and they took no precautions to stop him from being able to bolt and then his dad takes him to a massive forest with infinite places for a kid like him to hide.
Tbh i don't know what to say, it's really unfortunate, and again coming from the perspective of someone who has ADHD and Autism, sometimes you really do have to be firm especially when it comes to potential life and death situations. Like they talk about him being stubborn and argumentive well sometimes you have to be stubborn right back. To me whether he had Autism or not it just strikes me as a habbit they never took seriously enough to try and get him to stop. And it really sucks. It sucks for him, and it sucks for them.
Don't explain yourself. You're blaming the father
@@ladyseeker2927 not really, every person involved in this is to blame. The kid has a history of doing this so his parents should have done something to stop this behaviour. Whether they're divorced or not, they still could have and should have done something about this behaviour especially if they suspected he was on the spectrum.
I am on the spectrum and i know it can be hard to navigate that, but it sounds like his ability to hide was something they praised. I'm sorry but after the incident where the Police and Fire Brigade had to be called out they should have done something about that.
The Searchers also handled their part poorly. Not letting the parents at least record their voices saying the game is over.
I'm not blaming any one parent because this clearly could have easily happened on the mums watch too. It was just unfortunate his dad was the one that took him to the forest, which i'm sorry but that should never have been an option in the first place without multiple adults watching him and a damn child leash.
I got lost once when i was a kid while at Blackpool with my mums sister, she wasn't watching me, i got distracted thought i was following my auntie (it wasn't, it just looked like her) and because i was mute at the time when i realised my mistake i shut down and panicked because i couldn't ask for help. It was half an hour before she realised i was gone, and she laughed about it to my mum who was understandably annoyed. I wasn't even allowed to go on a School Trip after that until i was much older and less inclined to go mute when i panicked, i was not allowed out of her sight after that. She accepted that some of the fault lay with her, however everybody in the family knew i was prone to mix-ups like this (usually it was in a local area where a neighbour would recognise me) so realistically there was zero reason this should have happened. And this was long before anyone in the family suspected i had ADHD and Autism, even now people don't completely trust me because i've literally nearly burnt my house down by making mistakes tied to my ADHD and Autism one time i put my kettle in the fridge by mistake and started crying because i thought i'd been robbed when i couldn't find it, and i'm a freakin' adult now but i've beem told by my specialists there is no way in hell i'm going to be allowed to live alone.
My point is this kid had a habbit of doing this and the impression i got from this video is that nobody tried to intervene and make him understand how dangerous this is, honestly it sounds like everybody praised his ability to do this, it doesn't sound like any real attempt get him to understand that he can't freakin' do stuff like this was made. It's no one persons fault it just sounds like a whole string of bad decisions by everybody that lead to a devastating outcome. I ain't blaming no one person because everybody involved with this kid handled his situation poorly from the sounds of it, and i definitely could have done a better job explaining that in my original comment.
@@natbatlightwood5288 People just don't seem to understand how minds can be wired differently. My parents still refuse to believe I'm autistic even though I've been diagnosed for twenty years.
I wouldn't say you're blaming the father, it's not his fault that this happened and he has to live with it. But more could have been done to prevent something like this. But, you're right about hindsight. It's easy to say after the fact.
One memory this dredged up was when I got in trouble for running off and hiding. My grandfather grounded me for a week IIRC. But the one part that sticks out was driving home he told me I wasn't being punished for being found, but because he HAD to find me. Somehow that clicked in my brain.
@@ladyseeker2927Do you have children? Maybe you don't understand the deep seated fears we deal with regarding our children and how odd it is to take a child like him into a situation perfectly suited to make your worst fear a reality?
I agree that something about this is incredibly uncomfortable no matter how terrible I feel for the response.
Why wouldn't an incident involving this child needing involvement of authorities to find him be mentioned immediately?? Why stop there knowing that you're traveling with your son who's a runner? There's a lot here that just left a gross aftertaste at the end regardless of wanting otherwise.
Poor baby.
I can't imagine what it must have been like to not be able to search your kid and just sit in a hotel room.. the parents should have been there, they understood best how their son behaved. You need to understand autism to be able to think like the kid might have thought..
Especially the digging and hiding part. Makes me think he crawled into a little marmot cavern dug under a boulder and pushed the loose earth and bedding to cover the entrance.
Totally agree, great post. I feel it's likely his mom/parents were the only people who could have persuaded him out of hiding, as his mother had successfully done 2 years before, when he hid so well that emergency services were called to look for him. Excluding his parents from the search was madness, in my view.
Autistic kids can fear new people, and it's entirely possible Sam went deeper under cover on seeing/hearing the strangers searching for him. Such a sad story.
@@danielescobar7618 Totally.
@@glamdolly30 Exactly.
@@einienj3281 have you been in this area? Marmots are adorable and all over the place. I think it's the giant yellow belly breed. They make little caves that are big enough for coyotes to take over as brood dens. They sun bathe on the rocks and you can spot occupied ones by the poop on them. We call em poop rocks.
Pardon me if I word this incorrectly. I love your work, and I feel that your videos (and videos like these) can help the family and friends of the people that vanish like this. I feel that it helps to give some perspective on how something like this can happen. Rather than an official telling the family members about how dense the forest is, and all that they have done to find them, these videos give a different perspective that maybe helps people that only go out to the wilderness about once as year. I think it can help give people closure once they see the evidence presented like this. Having someone you love just disappear - I can only begin to imagine what that does to you and what thoughts you must have. I just feel that what you do is far, far more important than entertainment and can be used to as a means to help people grieve, and get some semblance of closure if something terrible like this happens to them. Thank you very much for what you do.
My God dude. No way you have a life. Haha. Looooseerrrr.
I find closure a difficult term to accept. Since so many stimuli can awaken a memory, even years after an event - sounds, aromas, photos ... Closure is a word but not a reality for the human mind.
This is a heart breaking story. I have a special needs child too and I could relate. This would be my worst fear come true.
And I'm guessing you would never have taken him or allowed his fad to take him alone to the wilderness right? That seems so bizarre to me.
100% agree. This story doesn’t sit right.
@@angelmartin7310 no way!!!
It's really cool that you go to and film the various locations. Being able to see what the terrain looks like in real life makes the stories you cover seem all the more real. Makes them more than just stories.
Totally does
This dude's hair is on point.
Why didn't they try the same trick and get his mother to call out over a bullhorn that "he won?"
It bothers me when nothing is found. It makes me doubt the original story. As a mom, I would still be out there this many years later with a metal detector trying to find the pant zipper, the shoe buttons, the coat buttons. I wouldn't be able to leave. This story breaks my heart.
Just visited Crater Lake last summer. Amazing. Even the most beautiful pictures do not do it justice.
Nick in every other video: "the camera doesn't do the hill justice."
Me: "that's steep AF!!!" The bases of the trees really show the topography.
You're doing fantastic work, love your channel. 👍
This is why you're the best mystery channel. No bs or dramatic non-sense.
Nah. Missing 411 is a David Paulides creation. He will always be the pioneer of these cases.
@DIVISIONINCISION paulides has been known to omit or even add in fake details to make cases more interesting. Which is fine if you're into that stuff but I'd prefer to the shown the facts from a non biased party, not someone trying to sell a book or miniseries.
@@yommmrr When you research cases from years ago, you may not find all the information, especially when you are covering hundreds/thousands of them like Paulides has done. None of these other pretenders has put in the work that he has, nor published the books. As I said, Paulides created the 411 genre that these other guys are trying to profit off of. You can stick with the Mr. ballens of the world who can't even produce a video effectively.
@DIVISIONINCISION what ever you say brother. Have a good Christmas.
@@DIVISIONINCISIONat least the "pretender" can accurately retell information.
I am so appreciative of the effort you put in to visiting the locations and giving context to the case. Being able to see how these areas are to traverse on foot is even better than seeing seeing documentary b roll from a neutral perspective. I hope you're enjoying the opportunities as well. Thanks for your hard work and your empathetic coverage of these cases!
My heart breaks for Sammy and his family. This video really demonstrates how dense and lonely that area is. May God bless Sammy and his family with peace ❤
Very nice job documenting the area. In your video, I see many, large, fallen trees due to sandy soil and steep inclines. When a storm comes, the wind knocks many of them down, making idea hiding places, particularly for a small child. You might not see the crevice under a tree unless you look closely.
Maybe it's a bad idea to bring a kid who loves to hide into a forest, particularly when he doesn't respond to his own name. That is quite negligent if you ask me.
Yeah,keep'm locked up,that'll help.
@@ms-jl6dlhow about take some measure to always be able to track or find him after the first time he vanished and refused to come out? Or just not take him into the wilderness all alone ?!
Very dumb comment@@ms-jl6dl
Accidents do follow poor judgment and negligence.
Most people don’t realize how thick our national Forrest’s are.
I’ve been in the woods where you can’t even hear gunshots less than a mile away.
Just up a gravel road and around a bend and your effectively alone.
This channel is amazing! Very refreshing, very unique, always impartial. And dont get me started on the on site visits for cases like this one. You can see how can a person could be just lost or fall in a steep, thanks for the video!
This is the best missing person video I've ever seen in my entire life. I've never had a 4k tour of the woods. Wonderful.
Thank you so much for taking us to the location. It gives me a new perspective. RIP Sammy
Thank you for showing the area where he disappeared. Could easily get disoriented in those woods. Sad to think his body is there somewhere, probably never to be discovered. Feel sorry for his parents. RIP Sam.
I have children and i feel for his parents and loved ones , but with his erractic behavioral traits was it it the wisest decision to go to woods that are so easy to disappear .Hope that they get some kind of closure so sad. Prayers for the family .
Makes me wonder the motive. I might be way off I don't know. Knowing how somewhat erratic his nature could be it's puzzling to me that's all.
I agree. I literally can't imagine doing or allowing it. Especially in an area so dangerous. Not without a leash or GPS tag.
@earnold1896 No I had the same thought. I would be in constant fear if my child was.prone to this kind of hiding behavior even just at the grocery store or playground. I would never take them to the wilderness.
@@angelmartin7310Certainly a bit odd. Always in the back of my mind is a case I did read about a few decades ago. It concerned a wee boy who was savagely tortured by evil parents
and one day they took him to a forest and drove away. So vile.
Not saying of course that Sam was tortured but he might've been a liability. No child should be. Perhaps I'm just thinking of the one I did read about. I had that thought in the Dennis Martin case. Maybe Dennis was abducted though.
@earnold1896 I just find it unbelievable both parents were ok with this trip into the wilderness with a boy prone to running away and hiding so good it was impossible to locate him and nearly impossible to get him to come out. I do think children with special needs are at a higher risk of parents seeing them as burdens especially post-divorce. I would like to know if child support payments factored in.
My dad knew his grandparents. Forget how though. Really saddening to think stuff like this happens in the most beautiful parts of the world.
Great job with this video, love the pictures and footage from the lake. You keep getting better and better!
Congratulations for the commitment put in every case and for shooting the footage on location, it really helps and enhances the quality of every report👍👍. Those woods are creepy man, but Crater Lake is just a place out of this world
Woods in southern Oregon are thick. Very easy for a grown man to get lost let alone an adventurous child. This is a tragedy, thank you for shedding some light on this case.
Anytime someone brings up missing 411 I always recommend your channel. Love your videos. You take such care with the image/legacy of the victims.
I do not think ,that the boy with that specific charakteristic should of been alowed up the hill in the wildness and out of side at any given moment . In any event , very sad sytuation all around . Great coverage , as always .
As the father of a nonverbal autistic boy my heart goes out to these parents. With a child suffering from this all it takes is 10 seconds and I've had my share of "What If" moments. Batting .999 simply isn't good enough with an autistic child.....just tragic.
Tragic that they wouldn't let his mom go in to call for him.
Great job going to the actual sites, real adds a Lot to the case
Its unfortunately common for children playing hide and seek tonhide somewhere and become trapped. Thats probably what happened here. Those old pines are massive. If he hid under a log like that, a minor shift could cause him to be crushed. Or if he got up inside a log and got trapped, that would also explain why there was never any trace found. Unfortunateky cold weather hinders the cadaver search too. In a warmer season you could expect tonfind him by the smell after 3-4 days. In the winter, scavangers might get to him before a noticeable stench is observed.
Why would you bring a child with those behaviors into a wooded area?
Because child-support payments need only be made if a child is alive, and it's so easy for children to become dead in cold, isolated places. Trick the child into running into the woods _south_ of the lake, tell everyone it happened _north_ , then just sit and watch for the next week while the searchers (of course) find nothing, knowing the child will never be found. Why did the search dogs _not_ bark in the night? Because the child was never within 8 miles of them.
@@RobbieHatley But, the dogs did pick up on his scent??? Your logic doesn't add up.
@@RobbieHatleybut they also searched the south of the road extensively.
Perhaps if they hadn’t gone to a forest in the middle of nowhere, knowing he liked to hide, he wouldn’t have disappeared
I remember these case because every time I go to check my Yahoo email the news popped up for like a week straight, I always thought that the dad harmed him and then made up the disappearance when he was on the way back home.
I live near Crater Lake (in Eugene) and have gone up there many times. Mostly in the summer but a few times in the winter and once on a school trip, snowshoeing in the winter. That year about 25 years ago the snow was DEEP, very dense and we all stumbled a lot in the snowshoes. You could most definity get lost or fall over the edge, we almost had someone trip then fall right at the edge of a steep incline.
I found my visit to crater lake disturbing. As if a dark history hung in the air waiting to take its revenge. But it’s truly a beautiful place.
Always great to see Missing Enigma upload a video after getting off work ❤
That park is beautiful. Wow.
This one breaks my heart. I'm autistic and I have an autistic child, and I was, myself, a VERY good hider as a child. I don't think cops ever had to be called but people definitely had to wait me out often enough. I'd get somewhere cozy and just zone out into daydreams for hours until I got really really hungry (just a little hungry wasn't enough to lose the game, in my mind.) I can clearly see that the searchers did not factor this in well. Yes, not using whistles and horns and such, but if this child was able to hide so well that no one could find him until his mom called out for him? Why wasn't his mother allowed to be there for the search? Or, like others have said, record her voice and play that out? Just hordes of strangers and dogs all over the place, of course Sam didn't come out. Infuriating.
Don't you think it's bizarre his father would take him somewhere like that alone after the cops had already been called once after he went missing hiding like that?
I think it's bizarre that you take my comment about my own experiences with autism and similar behaviours displayed in this video and then ask me if I think the father deliberately set up his child to go missing. That's bizarre. @@angelmartin7310
Thank you for your straightforward presentations and the work you put into each video. Your videos are the best out there.
I live in Portland Oregon and I remember this case very well. A very difficult ending for the parents and the little boy.
I love the woods. Pine forests, especially! So much peace and beauty. In the deep woods is where my heart lives.
I just love this channel. The intro music, the research, the narration, the artwork...all of it.
I have to give you credit for the hands-on initiative.
Thanks for posting, even the tragic stories. If it makes ONE person act more kindly to their family, it was worth it.
Excellent work. Adding detailed maps and filming on location adds a whole new dimension to the missing 411. This is a great channel. Thank you
It adds so much more depth to the story with you actually going to the area!
Spectacular views. America simply has it all; forests, mountains, deserts, impressive cities and coastlines. Geographically it can't be beaten. I'm English and we have some lovely rural areas that are thankfully protected by the National trust. Poor family. Poor kid. May he rest in peace.
And all our major cities have strung out homeless sleeping on sidewalks, untreated severe mental illness, rampant crime, and violence. If you are able to avoid people, yeah, America is lovely.
The way you cover these cases is so impressing! Thanks a lot for your good work.
Another excellent video. You always show the utmost respect to those involved.
Thanks for the great work.
How did Sam escape his father's attention given his past history?
Reading a map, watching traffic, trying to park.
A myriad of reasons he could be disposed while a halfwit rushes out to god knows ehat
Why bring such an unpredictable child to such a dangerous and vast area without any other adults to help?
@@TheAlgorath "A halfwit", PMSL, you will catch some flak for that, I'm sure. I'm glad I'm not the only one who says things that aren't PC. My description would be "retard", but apparently that's a no-no these days. Call a spade a spade, I say.
@@Eidolon1andOnly More like why hadn't they disciplined the child to establish a game before commiting?
They were 8, not 4. Despite the 'tism, their parenting style killed this kid
@@TheAlgorath They didn't even bother to get the kid officially diagnosed, which would've opened up a plethora of treatment options.
The mother should have been allowed to go to different areas for her son at first or the next day since he wasn't found initially due to what happened at the school. He only came out for her. At the park, he could have been scared of the noise or didn't understand (more than likely) the reason or magnitude of why others were yelling for him. Very sad 😢
I'm loving the visits to the spots where these people vanished. Great work as always, keep on keeping on.
Thank you for the upload. Have a good rest of the week.
Thank you for going to the area Sam was lost in. It is vast and that area had fresh snowfall right after he went missing. I am sure at this point his remains have been scattered by animals and may never be found. As a child I would go fishing with my dad and wander off into the woods. I always found my way back but thinking back I realize I could have just as easily been lost. After watching so many of these missing person cases, I will never go hiking.
You are an under appreciated channel for sure. Your time is coming for sure. You will blow up and all the hard work will make your dreams come to fruition. Keep on keeping on 👽🤙
I don't subscribe to many channels. I just subscribed to this one. Your videos are simply the best. Intro, music, narration, HONESTY. Love it all man.
Seeing the area is so CRITICAL...TY
Too bad his dad is 300# and unable to keep up with a small child. Never let yourself go.
Finally our man is back!
Great episode and i truly appreciate your time and resources to make these possible. Take care, be well
This is my favorite channel on UA-cam! Awesome job as usual!
You do a nice job, ME. The onsite visits do add something to the videos.
Can you not just... walk past a road closure?
The care you give to these mini docu-videos is exceptional. I just have a strong feeling in my gut that one of these days you'll be fortunate enough to find someone or bring closure to people feeling lost or grieving a missing family member or friend
Great coverage!
So much work and insight you give us here. Amazing channel. Paulides should give half of his income to you for such realistic and honest work. Totally great you take us to the real places to see for our own eyes even when you never were at the continent even as me as a German where missing 411 also is very prominent now already.
Quite obvious to what was happening here since we now know what happened in the past with him hiding so well.
I don't understand why his dad would ever take him out there. Sammy had a habit of running of, had no recall, and didnt understand when others had enough. I am a parent, my oldest would do the same things and I wouldn't allow certain activities. When she was in kindergarten they did regular walks around the neighborhood, I wouldnt allow her to go because she had a habit of legging and not paying attention to her surroundings.
It's driving me crazy. It makes no sense. I wonder about child support payments...
@@angelmartin7310 : Well, if there is no child to support (any more), then I imagine there are no child support payments. If this child's bones ever are found within 30 miles of Crater Lake, I'd not be too surprised to learn that they were found 5 miles _south_ of the lake, not north. Because, of course, no one would search _south_ if told the lost child is _north_ .
Cause Sam was behaving well earlier in the vacation. The father probably got a little over confident, resulting in this accident.
@deerichardz I mean that's a good point too, I just feel like the question of why a kid with such a terrifying pattern of behavior was even taken to one of the most dangerous wilderness areas in the US with only 1 parent to supervise, should have been front and center in the coverage. Like did anyone ask? Just seems worth asking. Before this I had never even imagined a child having such a dangerous tendency, it made my blood run cold even imagining our son having that proclivity, so it just boggled my mind not only the father but the mother would think a trip like that was OK. The fact that he hadn't been diagnosed with autism even after his first disappearing act suggests maybe they were in denial about his condition and maybe that explains the risky decision.
@@angelmartin7310 What I see a lot of in the comments, is why was Sam in that area, with the way he behaved. Let's look at the 'way' he behaved.
Two years earlier before this incident, that's two years, he pulled a hiding routine that shocked many people. I don't see two years between substantial incidents as a pattern. Yes, he liked to hide from things that scared or startled him. There are a lot of people that are initially startled easily, but when you add 'hiding' into the mix, it's a bit of a twist. So the assumption of him having a case of mild autism is acceptable, even though it was not officially diagnosed. So when Sam was six years old, he was able to hide from everyone. Up until he vanished for good, that was the only incident where people took notice of how well he could hide. Two years later, with Sam being eight years old, he attempted to hide from his father, soley because he didn't want to go home, he didn't want the day to end cause he was having fun. What kid doesn't do this when it's time to go home? But this time, Sam got himself into a pickle, he got lost. Yes, the terrain he was in offered many places for him to hide, but that same terrain enabled him to get away farther than he probably expected, due to his father not being in the best physical shape and couldn't handle that steep slope quicker than what Sam expected.
I see the whole thing as an accident and I really place no bame on the father. It was an oversight into the situation that Sam would be given ample time to make a run for it, and eventually get himself lost. If there really was an issue of Sam wanting to run given every opportunity, I think someone would have said something besides what the woman from the community centre claimed, that yeah, it didn't surprise anyone that Sam wanted to play hide and seek. Remember, when he was six years old and hid from everyone, he wasn't 'lost' in that event. When he was eight years old, he had quite the jump on his father, and in addition, quite a substantial amount of time, an hour or so to get further lost, while a father was searching for his son.
Always so excited to see a new video from you! I know they take a great deal of research and preparation but selfishly I wish you could post more often!
Its awsome that you go on location to these places, brings these stories to a new level. You have a great voice for storytelling.