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Exactly what is a Scout Rifle and how can you employ it in a personal-defense situation? Rob Pincus presents the special features of the Scout Rifle as defined by Col. Jeff Cooper of Gunsite. He shows how these versatile features, such as the three-point sling and redundant sighting system, make it a useful weapon for hunting, survival, and a close-quarters home defense weapon. - Спорт
So many people here are completely missing the point.
The point is NOT that a scout rifle is the ideal weapon for home defense.
Is is sensible to say, "Don't learn hand-to-hand fighting because a gun is better! Don't use martial arts for defense!". No - it's stupid and we all know it. But somehow it makes sense to say:
"A shotgun is better! Don't use a scout rifle for defense!"
"A Glock is better! Don't use a scout rifle for defense!"
"An AR15 is better! Don't use a scout rifle for defense!"
So what? A bunker and personal security force is better than all those thing, but we work with what we have.
The point of a scout rifle is a gun that functions adequately in many roles, situations, and environments because some people don't want to dump a small fortune into a Total Arsenal.
Also, why are you assuming the scout is being used for defense at HOME? You don't think you'd have to defend yourself from a crazy human or a hungry 4-legged predator while out hunting? Bears, mountain lions, and angry moose are real threats that can surprise you, and what kind of gun do you think you're going to have?
No other gun does versatility better than the scout rifle. And if a scout rifle is what you have, be it in the field or at home, learning how to use it is a GOOD IDEA.
+TwoGun Gunnar The Scout rifle was popular in Counter Strike the game, becouse of trick shots and other fancy stuff. otherwise its a noob GG no RE Gun for NOOOOOBS
+Kongen342 hahaha... when you find a fellow gamer making a joke no adult would get...
+Kongen342 hahaha... when you find a fellow gamer making a joke no adult would get...
Cory ballinger can you say that twice in a sentence?
ar15 & ak like rifles are probably more versatile. more rounds, semi
From the Old West "Beware the Man with one Gun" He probably knows how to use it.
Good to see a fellow RAR lad on this channel 👍
Here in Ireland you can only have one gun ,I thought a lot about what I should get ,I needed a all round gun and of course price was an issue so I settled for a double barrel 12 gauge ,but I've all the different type ammo for it from various birdshot ,Buck shot and rifled slugs ,so my battle rifle is a double barrel shotgun and my backup piece is the second barrel ,
But I like watching these tho I know I'll probably never get to even hold one :(
@@halfcantan1208 A Shotgun is truly versatile and if you can only have one good from mice to elephant.
@@user-gd7fx4jf5c I used to have a Russian Sniper Gaming Icon everyone thought I was Russian?
I love the scout concept, Cooper was a true genius to develop the concept. I would contest that the concept hasn't caught on, most rifle company's produce a version now and IMHO true rifleman have fully embraced the idea.
Jeff Cooper knew very well what he was doing.Light rifle,low magnification scope,fast handling ,front and rear sight for backup, use of the sling for stability.Before all that ''tactical'' madness arrive
that scope release was epic
I built mine back in the early '90s from my late grandfather's Rem 722. It's very similar to yours and I love it.
This is great for those of us in ban states, where rifles like these and shotguns are the only things legally available to us. I'd probably make a scout rifle out of a Remington 700 SPS, if not for the fact that I'll be a Florida resident very soon.
Operator NYS You can make a scout rifle out of an M1A SOCOM 16/Scout, and it's at least CA legal to have detachable 10-round mag on this semi-auto. Maybe it'll be a bit heavier than the bolt guns.
An AR with a pistol brace, less than 16" barrel, foregrip, and more than 26" overall length is legal in all these ban states. All the bans I know of (East Coast CT, NY, ETc..) specify their assault weapon bans as Rifles, Pistols, and Shotguns, the configuration I mentioned above is not considered any of those by the ATF. Its just considered a "firearm". No tax stamp, and falls outside of the wording of most Assault Weapon bans. FYI.
Living in California I bought a savage scout because it was a good price, I didn't want to have to pay to reconfigure it with each new dumb law. The burying it isn't a bad idea but if I'm going to drop a lot of cash on a gun, I'd want to enjoy it at least.
Better for what
To be fair, the ARs, AKs, are legal but your limited to 10. In other words, still better to just go with a bolt action
I think these are great. Super versatile. I think people forget that dudes were lethal fast with bolt actions during a few big wars.
Gunsite Academy out of Arizona teaches bolt action handling skills. They tell people they are NOT under-gunned at all. They tell people they CAN be tactically effective every bit as much as the semi-auto guys running their courses. Civilians don't train like a military neither do military tactics pertain to civilians. Whole different world. Gunsite has proven over and over again the things they say.
@Bill Randall The Russians used the Mosin to GREAT Affect!!!
@Bill Randall We STILL use 308 Bolts...
@bum_fungus420 Please riddle me how you took that line of questioning from the statement I made.
I have a cheap Mossberg 243....just bought this gun aswell....now that 243 and me are the def of semi auto....im really fast with it...hoping to get that fast with my new one
Lol at all the 12 year old “gun experts” with 10 years of wartime military service to back up their claims here in the comments.
Hurr durr “an AR-15 with a reddot could beat that” .... “a shotgun is better for home defense” yadda yadda yadda blah blah.....congratulations on completely missing the point of the whole video. 👍👍
The man in the video does a very good job at explaining himself very clearly and proving his points (really down to an idiot proof level). It’s really shocking that you still managed to completely miss his points.
Thanks Rob and staff of Personal Defense Network for helping learn safety
I love the versatile nature of this system . I have always had a preference for open sights . When I was shopping around for this option I also came across the Mossberg Patrol model. In my younger days I owned a few military surplus rifles with the rear gost ring sight and it worked at the time . The difference in the Scout models and the patrol is on the patrol the picatany rail is toward the rear and the rear sight is in front of the rail . I didn't think I would like the the rear sight close to the mid point of the gun, but it works . This also let's you mount a typical scope , or with the picatany rail system switch to other types quickly .Being able to use a typical rifle scope helps with the distance hunting shot . With a set of see through rings you can easily switch between scope and open sights . Which ever one you choose versatility is always a good thing .
I intend to set up a .308 Lee Enfield as a scout rifle, as it still has the magazine capacity and cycling speed of an old school battle rifle. Call me a Bubba if you like (I really don't care) but there's a certain appeal to combining the best of old and new.
Bubba
@@Swollenfishy I used my Ishapore Jungle Carbine as a proof of concept / prototype Scout Rifle in order to see if I liked the concept. As soon as I bought the Savage 10FCM, I transferred the scope to it and restored the Ishapore to its stock configuration. I want to re scoutize it one day but it performs so well stock that I want to put it through its paces stock before reconfiguring it.
Plus you have stripper clips and a 10rd mag
Definitely a good candidate
Another option if you can get one is jungle carbine copy that was made in Lithgow in 7.62x39 . They had a standard 10 round magazine and will also run ak magazines.
They are well suited for this concept of a scout rifle with added fire-power when used with the ak magazines.
My first gun was my dad's m66 super single 410 shotgun, my second gun is a 308 Savage axis xp 2. The rifle which is my preference is due to the versatility and power the rifle is capable of, I chose this type of rifle in part due to preference for bolt actions, they've always been my favorite.
I built one a 1917 Enfield on 30-06.It was sporterized decades ago, I purchased like that and improved it. Applied green camouflage paint, reduced the barrel from 25 to 18, crowned the barrel again and looks much better.
I've always loved the Scout Rifle concept, probably born from my teen years playing video games and always wanting an HK Scout. But I could never bring myself to justify the price/ purpose for it, even when the Ruger came out, your budget may vary. I eventually came across a Type 53 for about $200, added a Brass Stacker mount and a scope, and love it. It needs a cheek riser yet, probably a lighter stock, but now I have something close, and its been a fun project gun. At $350 invested I'm not afraid to beat it up a little in the woods. One day I'll probably get the Ruger, but for now this fits the itch. Great vid Rob, thanks for sharing!
Same here, ever since I spent hours playing CS, the scout rifle has always had a special place in my heart. Agreed on the Ruger rifle. I see promise in the Mossberg MVP in .308, because, it uses AR10 mag and M14 mags. Your setup sounds nice!
I have a Ruger GSR .308 with the forward mounted scope, it makes for an excellent scrub gun. Short barrel doesn't get caught up on anything and can easily bowl over multiple pigs at close range.
The original scout rifle concept, the lever action .30-30 carbine.
Just built one myself. Marlin 336 with a Burris Scout scope atop an XS pic rail. Sweet rig!
You weren't listening. According to Col. Cooper, who was the man behind the concept, a true "scout rifle" is:
1) a BOLT action,
2) chambered in a MILITARY caliber, preferably .308 Win. (aka. 7.62mm NATO), with
3) a detachable magazine (so no, the one in this video does NOT fully qualify) and
4) equipped with a forward-mounted low magnification optical sight and iron backup sights.
Nothing wrong with a good lever gun, especially if specifically set up for serious "social" use. But it's not a "scout" in the sense intended here.The Col. was reputed to be a bit prickly about such things, and out of simple respect to all the man did for all of us who take modern gunfighting seriously, I think we can at the very least honor his own terminology when discussing his concepts.
Dale Kidd i have to agree.. its gotta have a detachable mag & be a bolt for it to be a true scout rifle in jeff cooper’s perimeters.
But theres not a lot of modern offerings that meet all of his criteria’s because of the weight limit. I think little handle rifles in general could be somewhat of a scout rifle so long as it has back up iron sights & long eye relief scope set up
Just because Mr Cooper was "prickly" about what was and was not a scout doesn't give you any right to be equally pretentious, pedantic, and condescending to your fellow shooters. The man was right. Actual cavalry scouts used lever guns before bolt guns. Nowhere did he mention Cooper. You took it upon yourself to jump down his throat about it. There are advantages and disadvantages to every single component of Cooper's ideal scout rifle.
1) military calibers were the first to vanish from shelves during the ammo drought.
2)Detachable magazines, especially drop free mags, are an important part that can be lost in the field at the inadvertent touch of a button. One can carry spares but that adds weight. It's often not possible to load detachable magazines while in the rifle.
3) many scout scopes lack the ability to focus the reticle like conventional scopes. This renders them completely useless to a nearsighted person who's lost their glasses whereas a conventional scope could be focused to maintain functionality.
4) rifles that are light enough to meet Cooper's spec are some combination of expensive, fragile, inaccurate, or missing several of his other criteria.
The Cooper spec" scout rifle was a crappy idea then and even stupider now. What is it good for? Not personal defense as the bolt action is too slow operate. Not for sniping as the scope power is too low. Not for night use as the scope is useless in the dark. Not for long range as the scope allows only one point of impact. In fact Cooper taught that a scope on a fighting rifle was a bad idea as the glass would fail at the worst moment....just as well as EVERYONE I know who got suckered into buying these rifles took the scope off and put a Trijicon on..or at least a red dot.
The fact is anyone with an good lever action or SKS shorty 16 inch tube would be better off than this turd design.
I love my ARs and M1As, but if I could only have 1 gun it would be my scout rifles, particularly the Ruger Gunsite Scout. It is arguably the most balanced, without being specialized in any situation. The power, the reliability, and the weight make it my "end of the world" gun. People fantasize about Mad Max gunfights, but the reality is, if you plan on getting into gunfights, you are probably gonna get clapped pretty early on. Scout rifle forces you to be pragmatic and, well, scout things out. And with the idea of shooting game rather than people, you will probably make it through the end times.
How do you have yours set up? Does yours have the laminated wood stock? I’m looking into getting a Scout and am trying to decide between the Ruger and Steyr. Lots to consider… 😅
@@permanenceaesthetic6545 Laminate stock with iron sights. Havent found a scope to pair with it yet, but that's because I'm incredibly picky about scopes.
The Steyr has a lot of cool features like the integrated bipod and spare magazine holder in the stock (though the Steyr comes with two 5-round magazines as opposed to Ruger's one 10-round magazine, so I dont know if the spare mag holder is even beneficial), but personally I think the Ruger looks better- so that's what I went with.
That, and the Ruger is like half the price of the Steyr.
Loving my stainless barreled 16” scout with a black synthetic stock by Ruger. Love the AICS platform magazines since they are plenty and many makers turn them out in steel and or polymer. Iron sights for this old infantryman! Peace Be The Journey!
As someone who has never owned any fire arms (though been lightly entrenched in gun culture most of my life being from a military family) something really speaks to me about this Scout Rifle concept. Been really looking at getting a .22 bolt action rifle to start and moving up to a scout rifle when I'm ready. Not really sure what draws me to it so heavily though.
It is ultimately an excellent general purpose rifle. The scout rifle could be used for anything. It's an absolutely great idea.
Its practical
@Bill Randall I live in a state that only allows manually operated firearms for larger game, so a fast followup is not a consideration. With that in mind, this is essentially a hunting rifle with a bit of additional utility. You aren't wrong about the accuracy though. The "scout rifle concept" only requires a 4" group at 200 yards, which is really not precise at all. As far as a flashhider, there's nothing stopping you from installing one. I believe the Ruger Gunsite Scout comes with one preinstalled.
Angus O'Leary I’d guess that logic is probably what attracts you to this concept. When it comes to owning a minimal number of firearms, the scout rifle concept can’t be beat. Will it do what a shotgun can? No. Will it do what an AR can? No. But if you are going to have one gun and a minimal investment in ammunition and firearms related equipment, it’s probably the best way to go.
Firearms ARE NOT about what "IS THE BESTESTEST" all the way cause a bunch of know it alls think something worked in Iraq instead of France in 1944!!!!
Find what interests you! A good Bolt or lever action 22 lr or 22 MAG (WMR) is so much fun!!!
When SHTF may be our next conflict... I PRAY NOT BUT....
A good Semi Auto like a marlin 60, 10/22 or savage 64 are Awesome as well!!!
CZ . Marlin, Savage and Ruger Bolt actions are Dead ringers!!!
Very well presented and articulated!!!!
You’re vid cemented my decision in this gun.
Thanks.
I love the scout rifle concept but I incorporated it on a rifle I already had which is a Springfield M1A SOCOM. Much heavier than this setup but I personally like the extra weight especially in a semiautomatic 308.
Love the attention to safety and overall professionalism. Great vid
Thanks for the video!
Really nice video. A modern adaptation would see using a low mount red dot. In countries where semis are restricted, this could play a good role in a number of use cases.
Friend, I believe that Cooper said that the shooting sling is only useful when the left elbow is supported. I too have fiddled with an unloaded rifle and though the sling made for tighter aiming from standing, but according to the Master it does not-so both of us must be mistaken.
…..RVM45
I quite like the scout rifle concept, one thing I would like to see though is detachable mags similar to the Steyr Scout with 2 position magazine for a "mag in reserve" where you can singe load cartridges but if needed slap the mag in fully and feed from that.
Mine is a simple, unscoped, battered, ex-military FR8.
And a lot of stripper clips for faster reloads.
Hey. if it works....
+J Garcia Sampedro Can you use off the shelf .308 like a hunting round with that or do you have to stick with surplus 7.62?
Before passing to the civilian market, all went through the proof bank, and tested with .308, and marked as such on the barrel. Been using different brands and bullet weights of commercial ammo for almost 15 years without a problem.
Besides, "surplus ammo" doesn't exist here, and "expired" military ammo is dumped in a sea trench.
FR7, on the other hand, shouldn't use commercial .308, since they used weaker (and older) actions, and are only rated up to 7'62NATO ammo.
I have been thinking about getting a Spanish FR8 I was wondering if it is accurate with all the Apertures? Also have you found a hunting ammo that matches apertures out to 400 meters? Thanks
Hell Yeahh WHATEVER works for U and whatever We are Trained and Effective and efficient With!!!
Same here. I got one .243 i am planning on getting multiple mags and having irons installed.
I love this concept. Since rifles that are true to the "scout" concept are rare like the old savage scout or rather expensive like a custom setup as shown here, the ruger gunsite, steyr and new savage scout. I pressed a savage hog hunter .308 with a 1-4x scope into the same role. It is a bit heavier but being a bigger man that is not an issue. Also the scope is not mounted forward but on low power I still find it very fast. The other advantages are the short barrel with the ability to add a suppressor if you ever wanted to, easy to use iron sights and a smooth fast bolt for quick follow up shots and last but not least a great accutrigger. Also having the ability to crank the scope up to 4x if needed is nice for the longer/ more precise shots. I have found it a more than adequate pseudo-scout. Another rifle I think would serve well is the Mossberg MVP patrol in .308. That one even has a detachable mag. Just an idea.
For home defense... hmmmm. I have, and love, a Ruger GS Scout with the Hi-Lux scope. Great set up. This video makes me think there is a place for the Ruger bolt gun in 7.62x39, or the GS Scout in 5.56x45. I like the light weight of the new rifle with the synthetic stock, and AK ammo is no slouch in an urban setting. The toast is burning now.
@PersonalDefenseNet what make/model is that detachable scope base you have mounted on the forward rail? Do you suggest any other ones and what's a good price range?
Great video
thank you for the video, just started looking into Scout Rifles and this was very informative and concise. I have one question, what advantage is the 3-point sling over a 2-point sling? I am working on becoming a Rifleman, and am going to learn how to shoot iron sights on a 20" AR15 out to 500 yrds. I bought a GI cotton web sling, useful in prone as well as a hasty sling (or even hasty hasty sling), and the demonstrations in the video would work with a 2-point.
Thank you!
The 3-point sling is useful in securing the rifle as well as utilizing a “hasty sling" for a more stable shooting platform. There can be some downsides depending on the rifle, the operator (lefty vs. righty), and if wearing any type of chest rig.
Thanks for the video! I don't think you're getting full value from your sling as we usually have the forward loop high on the bicep of the supporting arm. You seem to be using the Ching as a Hasty. Personally I would also try to get my support Elbow more up under the rifle, but that's just me.
That's a really handy setup. The only thing I would object to is the 3 point sling. This concept should also work well with a quality red dot or holographic optic.
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There are a couple of "mini scout's" out there in 5.56mm NATO from Ruger and Mossberg for if you need something in a lighter calibre with detachable box magazines.
what mount is on the scope
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I don't like the 3 point sling, I can do just as much with a two point sling as I can with a three point sling.i remember donkeys years ago people making a big noise about Israeli special forces who's rifles that had no sling so that their firearm always on the ready. Made sense to me.
What is that quick detatch mount called? Thats awesome~
What kind of rings and mount you have with the scope that you can quick disconnect from the rifle is so cool!
That is a custom setup that was done in the 90's. There are many companies that do a quick release mount for scopes these days but one of the first that comes to mind is ADM. www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/browse/category/mounts/
I like it on my lever action. 44 mag.
Thanks! Nice video. Question: What scope base is that? It appears to be a Burris with some sort of quick release lever. I have a Burris on my Remington 600 (which I put together in the mid-eighties) and it has two screws that hold the rear ring in place. A quick release lever like on yours would be a huge step up.
Thanks again for putting together this video!
Glad you liked the video! That mount was custom made by a gunsmith in the 90s.
How many of you have heard about Cooper giving a lecture entitled, “The Scout Rifle in Combat” at the 1999 SOF Convention in LV and then following the talk there was an ND with Coopers personal Scout Rifle inside the banquet room?
Naw-I didn’t think you did…..
Very instructive. Thanks. What is the make/model of the scope mount and sling?
That rifle was custom made in the 90s and the scope mounts were part of the build. The sling used is a leather Ching Sling and there are a few companies making this style. Galco or Andy’s Leather in NC are the first that come to mind for the leather version of the sling. If you are looking for a nylon version The Wilderness is the only company licensed by Eric Ching (now his estate) to make them.
I got one of these with a red dot on it for close range pig shooting, hard to get parts for now tho
My new home defense gun is the Ruger PCC loaded with a 17-round 9mm HP Ruger mag and another in a pouch on the stock like a M-1 carbine. I think I can send out enough semiautomatic lead to get me out of 99% of social problems.
I chose not to switch to the Glock mags because they stick out way below the carbine and might get caught on something while a fumble with it at 3am, plus we have Ruger SR pistols so we have a ton of these mags.
Fantastic
I sort of use the updated Mini 14 for this ..
I was sold on the Scout Rifle idea back in the mid-80's. Cooper was very seldom wrong, and never about guns IMNSHO. Not a lot of true scout SCOPES out there, though. Not nearly enough. Seems like Burris and Leupold have the market pretty much bagged up for true quality scopes. And even fewer reticle choices.
Bill Randall who is this man every one keeps talking about ? I’ve never herd of him ,but every one is talking about him like he’s pope of firearms. Lol I’ve really never herd of this man but he sounds like a real turd
Anyone have an idea what make his scout rifle is? Thanx...
anyone know what kinda scope mount he is using?
what scope mount is that? i just got a savage 11 scout, and im thinking of getting a 2-7 burris scope with quick release rings but i like the one you have
That scope is a 1.5 Burris. This rifle was a custom build in the 90s so given changes in models since then it is probably most similar to Burris’ current XTR line of scopes.
There are a bunch of manufacturers out there that make high quality quick release scope mounts. The first that comes to mind is American Defense Manufacturing (www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/5/) but a quick google search will return other options.
yes but WICH ONE DID YOU USE IN THIS VIDEO?
How much sir is the total weight on your set up? Thank you
Col. Coopers ideas were sound, but not for everyone. Best to take his principle, and adapt to ones own needs. The forward mounted scope in particular is not for everyone, I would consider a wide window single point, like an Eotech. Ugly, but works.
What is brand and model of his rifle? It is a beauty
very good explanation of scout concept as applied to self defense. a very versatile rifle setup. my favorite current model is the ruger gunsite scout composite version, i recommend those interested check it out.
i am surprised no one mentioned, the instructor here takes several shots with a .308 / 7.62x51 without hearing protection. it is probably unlikely we will have time or advanced knowledge before a self defense scenario to use hearing protection, but still.. ouch .. 308 has some blast to it.
He has ear plugs in. As seen in the beginning of the video.
FitzChivalry Farseer ah you are correct, i missed it the first time i watched the video, when he brings the rifle up and they do a close up of him you can see purple ear plugs. lol
I have an m1a scout and am looking for a similar setup (especially the ability to remove the optic very rapidly). Do you feel the scope mounted so forward of the receiver imbalances the rifle at all?
The little bit of difference in mounting position isn’t so noticeable that if affects rifle
balance.
Man that things looks so much like my Rem 722 based Scout (also built in the '90s). What rear sight are you using?
That is a custom rear sight that was done by the gunsmith who worked on the rifle.
Any good optic suggestions? looking for about 5 power and not a bank burner.
The Scout Rifle is the survival rifle. It’s supposed to protect you no matter what from no matter what.
That rifle will outlast your intricate lever actions.
It’ll outlast your complicated autoloading rifles.
As long as that bolt locks in. The bullet has a chamber and a pin to fire that cartridge. It’ll fire.
Freeze tests kill most guns
Mud tests kills almost all guns
Dry dirt test kills almost all guns.
But at the end of it all.
You know, I know.
That the Bolt Rifle will be the last to break. Every time.
Hello, what brand is the cuff that carry's extra ammo? Could you provide a link to where you purchased it?
+mark oshields That cuff is made by Galco.
Loved the video! Would love your input on a "modern" scout rifle. You stated this is one of your older rifle builds, can you think of any newer rifles that might do a better job in this category?
If you wanted to go with a Scout rifle configuration, both Ruger and Savage have Scout models available, complete with iron sights, forward optics mounting options, and 10 round box magazines.
Ruger and Savage are great options, also, look into the MVP series from Mossberg. They feed from standard AR type mags and come in .223 or .308. Pretty good on price, as well.
could anyone tell me what is this rifle?
thanks!
Like golfing with a handicap. It's a neat concept. It gives me an idea for a future project gun.
What is the sling that you are using? Could you recommend a sling 2 point or 3 point for someone who is about 5 6". Thank you.
+Cica Trix The scout rifle in the video has a Ching sling on it. The 2 vs 3 point sling recommendation isn’t based on height but how will the rifle be primarily be used. As a home defense rifle where you could potentially need to do a weak hand transition (such as use around cover). The single point sling is actually the most versatile in this role.If the rifle will primarily be used in a role where it’s highly possible that you will need to quickly move the rifle out of your way (climb over an obstacle for example) then the two point works best. The three point sling works well in that scout rifle role because it allows for a way to add stability by utilizing the “hasty sling” method. There are slings on the market that allow you to quickly change between single, two, and three point configurations. Here is another PDN video that covers utilizing slings.
www.personaldefensenetwork.com/video/how-to-use-a-single-point-sling-and-two-point-carry-sling-005329/
I turned my .22 into a "scout" rifle.
Damn thing has taken out hundreds of rabbits, grouse and squirrels. 💪
Sweet fahhward mounted scope
I would really like your thoughts on the M1a Scout Squad.
Unfortunately, we have not had the opportunity to thoroughly test that rifle from Springfield Armory.
P Birdwell, I know I’m posting to a stale thread, but oh well... The abbreviated M1a variants obviously are well-received guns and represent viable options. However, maintaining Col. Cooper’s purist vision, the short barrel Springfields are quite heavy...well over the 6 lbs. Jeff Cooper envisioned.
Hello, I just purchased a brand-new 18"stainless steel Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle chambered in .308 Winchester and I ordered online today the brand-new Vortex Crossfire ll 2-7x32 Scout Scope which offers long I relief so the scope could be mounted in its forward position on top of the stock forward rail that comes on the gun. I was curious to know when it comes to this type of set up what could be the expected accuracy/distance that can be shot with this gun and particular scope configuration ?
Applying the proper skill the rifle and round should be able to get hits on human size target at 800+ yards. That said, the Scout rifle isn’t designed to be a bench rest target rifle for precision shooting at max distances. As a general principal when selecting a scope that is below 10x they can be shot offhand and at distances up to 500 yards (which fits the designed role the Scout rifle). It can be used at further distances beyond the 500 yards depending on the target size and you would most likely need to utilize a more supported platform (prone with a sandbag, bi-pod, etc).
What you said totally makes sense about my new Ruger gunsight scout .308 I actually changed my mind and I decided to go with a vortex strike Eagle mounted traditionally versus using a long eye relief Vortex scout scope that's forward mounted. From what I've been told a traditional style scope set up will make me shoot better than using a forward mounted long I eye relief scout scope set up
The thing that is good is the weight, it's freaking light.
thnk...
why does the bolt bind at the very end?
I have the same idea with a Remington 7600 carbine in 3006 though 308.is with a shorter rifle. 18 inch barrel and pump is faster shooting.
During WW2 the majority of armies except USA were armed primarily with bolt action rifles with iron sights. It was good enough for full scale war it can be good enough for self-defense if you train with it. People today might prefer semiautos but don’t neglect bolt action & lever action rifles too
These are about to catch on, people are always looking for new ways to enjoy shooting, and challenge their marksmanship.
could you send a link to the scope mount?
Hi. Sorry, the scope mount in the video was custom made in the 90’s and isn’t available.
what scope is that
We were taught that during a campaign a rifle should always be in hand. Charged, cocked on safety. True, it was already more than forty years ago.
I'm thinking of converting my Remington model 7 308win to a scout rifle but don't know where to get the sights and base to replace the rear ironsight and to convert the drop hatch to a magazine
I would recommend consulting with a gunsmith. Check with your local gun shop(s) to get recommendations and hopefully you can find someone local. Using a local source you don’t have to deal with shipping the rifle and can talk face to face with the gunsmith.
+PersonalDefenseNet thanks
muddog1able i think you would be better off just buying a scout rifle
Check on 5:45 the bolt locked trying slide back in but he played it off. Reason why i wouldn't consider for self defense
What model rifle is this in the video?
700
I think they look cool
Anyone have an equipment list or can tell what rifle, sling, scope mount. He is using? Specifically interested in the scope mount.
That scope is a 1.5 Burris. This rifle was a custom build in the 90s so given changes in models since then it is probably most similar to Burris’ current XTR line of scopes.
PersonalDefenseNet thanks for replying despite y'all posting this nearly 4 years ago.
does anybody know what scope mount he was using?
I know B Square made one. I bought one for a Remington 700 from them. Was on back order if i remember right but i got it after a short wait.
What is that scope mounting/removal system on the rifle? Does it maintain zero if you remove and reattach?
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One of the more desirable things in a scout rifle is also a detachable magazine no need for very high capacity but it is supposed to be able to handle any game up to 800 lbs and be more or a survival one gun type build than an urban gun, still a 308 round will even penetrate almost all soft body armor so even if you have a prepared home invader 10 shots of 9mm would not be as good as one 308 shot center mass
+Lukas Thorwald Hey Learn to type sir, Keep your bears in mind!
+Smiley McCabe The Savage Model 11 Scout .308. 10 round detachable magazine. Sweet rifle. I put a 3x12 Burris pistol scope for eye relief and a Burris red dot sign on a side rail that sits at about 45 degrees to the bolt side. Same sling as this guy. Very sweet rifle. With reloaded ammo I'm getting dime sized groups at 200+ yards.
+Lukas Thorwald Hey - Yup! ;)
...plus one of the nastiest & most effective personal defense, center fire rifle loads of all time is available to the scout rifle, the Hornady TAP, 168 gr tactical application police load...ultra accurate, a proven stopper well beyond anything the 5.56 could ever hope to do.
“Any game out to 800”
.338lm is not a good scout rifle cartridge.
What gun and what quick detachable mount is that??
Curtis, that is a custom rifle and mount that was built in the 90s by a shop that is no longer in the business.
What mounting system is that for the scope.
Hi, Albert. That mount was custom made by a gunsmith in the 90s.
What is that quick release scope mount?
That rifle was custom made in the 90s and the scope mounts were part of the build. There are a bunch of manufacturers out there that make high quality quick release scope mounts. The first that comes to mind is American Defense Manufacturing (www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/5/) but a quick google search will return other options.
why was the scout rifle concept built around a bolt action instead of a pump/slide action? I assume the latter would enable quicker follow-up shots?
Its hard to use a pump/lever rifle from the prone position. You have to move too much and the enemy will see you easier. Thats the main reason the bolt action was used instead any other non-semiauto action type.
what mount are you using? Thanks.
That is a custom made mount from when the rifle was built in the 90s.
Forward mounted trijicon acog instead of low power scope? Is it a good idea or stupid?
in theory, it would be great. unfortunately the rear eye piece of the acog is very small and not really suitable for a forward mount. (I tried it on my ar... :))
Red dot redicle with a magnifier you can flip out of the way.
What kind of scope rings are those?
That rifle was custom made in the 90s and the scope rings were part of
the build. There are a bunch of manufacturers out there that make high
quality quick release scope mounts that will work just as well. The
first that comes to mind is American Defense Manufacturing (www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/5/ ) but a quick google search will return other options.
what scope mount is that?
have you found out yet?
What kind of scope is it?I couldn't hear him that great
That scope is a 1.5 Burris. This rifle was a custom build in the 90s so given changes in models since then it is probably most similar to Burris’ current XTR line of scopes.
I've known guys to set up mosin nagant that way.
Anybody put their hands up at 2:16 ?
What rifle are you using in the video?
That scope is a 1.5 Burris. This rifle was a custom build in the 90s so given changes in models since then it is probably most similar to Burris’ current XTR line of scopes.
There are a bunch of manufacturers out there that make high quality quick release scope mounts. The first that comes to mind is American Defense Manufacturing (www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/5/) but a quick google search will return other options.
I have a custom scout rifle that I built on a Gibbs Rifle Company replica of the No.5 Mk.1 SMLE 'Jungle Carbine' using the Clifton Scout Mount from XS Sight Systems and a aftermarket polymer stock. (BTW, if anyone knows where one can get a good laminated wood, sporter style stock for one of these rifles please let me know!) It's still in its original .303 British caliber, and it's a handy little rifle. The original ghost ring & flip up vernier long range sights are still on the rifle and still very effective, but it's also wearing a Leupold 1.5-5x33mm VX-R Scout Scope these days. (That's an AWESOME scope by the way! I just wish they'd make a 2-7x33mm version now.) I keep that rifle & a Mossberg 500 12 gauge in my truck as my go-to long arms when I'm on the road. Travelling with an AR15, AKM or even an M1A or a Mini-14 can be sticky in some areas of the country, but, as far as I know, bolt action rifles & pump shotguns are still legal almost everywhere. (I don't go to D.C., or any other major metropolitan area anyway, ever.)
It shoots straight. It's quick, especially with that Leupold scope which works a lot like a red dot on 1.5x power. It hits hard, and it feeds from both a 10rd detachable box magazine and 5rd stripper clips. I'd really like to get one of the new .308's from Ruger or Savage, but, other than increased accuracy at long range, there's not much they can do that my .303 can't.
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