I'm pretty sure the lore about the tessaract vault says that the c'than shard is constantly destroying the vault, only for it to be repairing itself constantly. Thats the reason why there are the cubes on the inside.
@@videopostrrr I mean... It took launching a new edition for Necrons to get a few new models, not gonna hold my breath on Eldar getting a range refresh for at least 2-3 years.
Honestly, I like the piloted look, particularly from a lore perspective: The Triarch stalkers are meant to be a vehicle, built by individual dynasties for the Praetorians to tempt them into fighting alongside that dynasty. A case of "Here's a powerful walker for you if you fight with us," rather than "Why don't we just use this thing ourselves since it doesn't need a pilot?" As for the Destroyers, that being a result of the Destroyer curse explains why they willing upgrade themselves in a way most Necrons find abhorrent. As for the pilots in things like the Barges and arks, they are intergrated enough for me not to have an issue, and keep in mind that Destroyers are considered diseased and are hated, so why would they want to imitate something disgusting?
Man...they have aged well, I think this is why I always end up screaming for GW to update things like Orks infantry or Eldar infantry instead, even though it's been 7-8ish years, necrons have aged very well for the amount of time they have been left alone, well done on GW's part~
@@Earadon I'm amazed too. I've never played Eldar, or had many ideas about what I'd do for an Eldar force, but they look perfect to me. Keeping the same design, but modernizing the sculpts. Perfect!
Honestly I've always found the Necron line a little bland looking, but with the new model shown off the other day and another look at them I'm starting to appreciate them a little more.
I think that’s a fair assessment, but I do think their somewhat more simplistic design makes them one of the best Newbie armies for people just getting into the hobby. Combined with the fact that I think Necrons have the best Start Collecting Box in terms of value.
I think I can see what you're getting at in comparing the Ghost Ark to the Vikings - it does have a profile that's reminiscent of a longship, with the low base with rows and rows of troops each with their own "oar".
It definitely has a Viking feel, with that bit at the prow, however, there is an argument for how it could be seen as Egyptian. Personally, I think they were trying to copy the lotus flower found at the stern of Egyptian vessels but in trying to make it look weird, technological and alien they lost the organic feel of the flower.
Totally agree on the whole 'robot driving a robot' thing being an issue. It's just a little silly conceptually and the way it's executed on the models doesn't help. I'll never be able to get over the legs of the Necron pilots hanging out the bottom of the barge. It just reminds me of the Flintstones, like they're pushing the thing along with their feet!
I forgot to add. A single necron is dark, menacing, disturbing... when they’re all bunched up in those silly chairs, it completely removes these traits and makes them just look comical
@@richardbrimson1650 yup, gotta stick them in a draculas coffin type arrangement with some matrix style datalinks if you desperately want your robot piloted by another robot without looking stupid
One thing I miss with tau is the original stealth suits. The new ones feel so clunky and well, not stealthy. While the old one looks like a power armored commando.
I would say the Overlord is my favourite model, but after seeing the glory of the new Szeras...i'm in love with him, always been an amazing, unique, terrifying character and at last his model showcases this beautifully!
Concerning the idea of converting your own flayed ones, Miniwargaming did a campaign a few years ago with a whole army of necrons converted to look like flayed ones. They’re cool as hell models and probably worth a peek.
Thank you for making these Range review videos, it is really interesting to hear your take on the different models. I am just starting to make a Necron army so can't say much on the playability in this edition. I plan to have just a small army, but if it goes like my Chaos Space Marines I bet I et a lot of Necrons pretty soon. My CSM army was supposed to just be a small warband because I liked some of the models but before I had checked out from the Games Workshop store it was a lot bigger than intended. And now they are getting two knights as well... Need to start painting the army soon... But first I will build some Necrons I think.
I have always loved the Lychguard/Praetorian kit because it has great options for creating customised Necron characters, I have like 13 custom characters and virtually all of them use Lychguard/Praetorian pieces in some combination with other Necron and even non-Necron kits.
I've been playing Necrons since I got into 8th edition (having gotten back into the hobby after stopping before 5th), and i'm slowly collecting every necron model in the range. I personally love the green tubes and the crystal of the monolith, but i get what you mean. Even though I love all the models you say have an Immortal as the starting point (i.e. destroyers), i'm personally not a fan of the immortals themselves, at least in their current format. They feel like they overtook the classic warriors as the default troop choice. Will you do a Forge World review of the necron range at any point? I'd love to hear your views on the Tomb Stalkers and Sentinels
The big crystal is actually my favourite feature on the monolith. Just looking at it you instantly know it’s something that radiates intense power. And that’s the great thing about the faction design in general I think; high detail or low detail, they always have a very concise feel.
Honestly, most I'd want is plastic models for the old resin characters and flayed ones; and sole rule updates, but we're getting those anyway. Aaaaaaand maybe a massive centrepiece model of the Silent King, somewhere down the line.
But wouldnt the silent king be normal size? So then It would need to be more of a Szenic model with a lot of stuff going on, kinda like that procession the sisters got
@@jakobschoning7355 I mean; Katakros from Age of Sigmar is an amazing model like that; with Katakros not even being that big model-wise, but his base is ridiculously scenic. I'd be perfectly fine with either a massive base model or a massive model itself. Heck, even if he wasn't particularly large, a souped-up Catacomb Command Barge-like vehicle'd be a Pimp-mobile that'd give Logan Grimnar an inferiority complex.
Take the large character from the bone reapers in AOS, cut him in half at the torso, and stick him on top of the command barge; then stick the gun from the annihilation barge on for his right arm and boom. You have a giant destroyer lord.
The first time I saw the Necrons (from memory) was when GW did a triple battle report to show off a new commissar model in White Dwarf. The first battle report was the Commissar (they gave him a name, though I can't remember what it was) having to escape from a jungle with some Catachans as Necrons were waking up. The Necrons felt properly terrifying, as even though the IG player one it was only because they evaced the Commissar out with a Valkryie. Meanwhile the Necrons had mean marching inexorably forwards, tanking insane amounts of damage and flaying alive Catachans with their Gauss rifles with every burst. I can still remember feeling the panic of the monolith starting to awaken; from here on out, Necrons to me always had the most and the best doomsday weapons. The second time I'd met them was in the Fall of Damnos, both in the 5e Codex and in the novel. I'm not ashamed to admit that I really like Ultramarines even if they are overexposed, so seeing them struggle and ultimately lose the battle against the Necrons had this shocking yet appropriate feel to me. It really felt like any Imperial colony that had the misfortune of being on a Tomb World was doomed from the start. How do you fight something that's hard to kill, extremely destructive, numerous and for good measure is embedded in the planet itself? What made it even better was that in the novel the Necron POVs were actually compellingly written, humanised without sacrificing that alien, inhuman element. Long story short of this ramble; I really like the old Necron models, even if I'm never going to buy them. For me, a true Necron army is always going to be at least partially composed of Warriors, Immortals, Destroyers, Flayers and Monoliths. Some of them do need to be redone though, which considering the new Illuminor Szeras I hope happens. I even prefer the old Wraith over the new one; the old one had a nice sinuous, agile feel, which worked really well with what it's supposed to do. The newer one lacks that a tiny bit, even if it is well-crafted. I will say this for the newer stuff: GW absolutely nailed making each named character look and feel different, such that I would be able to distinguish who they are or at the least guess who they are. The Diviner looks like he's been driven mad by prophecies, which I quite like. And finally, I do miss the Pariahs. The Lychguard are fine, and I like how they have a midway point in ostentatious between the lowly Warrior and the noble Lords, but the Pariahs were just so cool in look and concept. Necron weapons were already terrifying enough in how they could kill you, but the idea that having a special gene could cause them to abduct you and turn you into one of them... Great video as always, although I am disappointing that I can't work in a pun here. I C'tan be losing my touch...
If there's one range, that needs a complete overhaul, it's necrons. They need new miniatures, more of a 'horror' look to them. And they need a new codex. It's woefully underpowered, compared to most other codexes. The new sezaz miniature looks amazing.
Frydeswide2019 I’m still mad that the Stormlord has the same number of attacks as even the lowest Lord and of the weakest dynasty, and he’s a goddamn Phaeron
Let’s see, all our names characters are resin and save for imotek are pretty much a waste of points, most of our units are a waste of points, and are woefully overpriced and underpowered, and many are just beyond old. The warrior is an ancient sculpt that will never see competitive play, and the immortal isn’t much better. Almost all our vehicles save for 2 are a waste of points, and our forgeworld stuff is really bad. Not to mention a lot of our vehicles haven’t aged well. You could probably write an entire book on the problems with the necrons codex as well
I get what you mean with the Dragon head ship prows I know for me it's probably from the Asterix and Obelix comics as a child or maybe the Ishimura from Dead Space .
When I was 11 I glued my destroyers on backwards. Then I got the obligatory brushful of bolt gun metal followed too quickly after by the obligatory brushful of badab black. Ahhh confused times.
Damn the monolith is really showing its age, was around when I started getting interested. Would be nice to get a new one with a similar style to freshen it up, something similar to when t'au got updated crisis suits and fire warriors.
Akrabra, characters make up most of our range, and almost all of them are resin, and a handful still are metal, and yes we have a lot of plastic, but we haven’t gotten any new kits in a loooooooong time, and in the past decade this is the second character refresh we’ve gotten.
Man, you nailed it with the Flayed Ones. Sticking a torso on them just looks ridiculous, they WERE already terrifying with the whole flesh and bloodlust ordeal
The thing I like about necrons is that you can get lots of models done to a good standard quicklybut still have some really good, long painting pictures.
I get the viking thing about some of them, and the Egyptian insectoid too. They do look kinda nice. You know what I was first reminded of by some of them though? Stargate sg1 replicators. I think if I got back into 40k again (which I may well, even if just for painting), I would go with chaos space marines and probably orks at some point. Compared with what choice there was in the days of 2nd edition, worlds of difference, but you can still see the aesthetic origins in a number of the newer models.
What would’ve been hilarious for the triarch stalker is if instead of a pilot seat there was the torso of a destroyer attached to the top including its cannon arm. Or maybe two cannon arms cus why not. Kitbash it, I dare you.
The Triarch Stalker kit comes with all 3 Weapon options. One can use the options to upgrade the Heavy Destroyer weapon. Works just as fine and is distinguishable from "normal" Destroyers.
I love my boney bois. My favourite thing is that the Command / Annihilation barge pilots cause it looks to me like they are peddling to propel it forward and the Overlord in the back just wants a fancy bike.
I agree with you on a lot of these. As a Necron player myself though I can tell you the models have a lot of logic to them. Dynasty units get rules benefits that match each but Canoptek and Triarch units do not. Also Canoptek and Triarch units have those keywords and the models do help reflect the roles. A Triarch pilot helps show a vehicle isn't part of a Dynasty and also not a Canoptek automata. Also the "Arks" are like Egyptian boats, not Viking, similar to Greek triremes. They look cool to me.
These range reviews are my favorite thing you do so far. I enjoy the honest opinions and I find myself rethinking my opinions on some models after hearing your thoughts
As an OG Necron player, the small thing that is bugging me a bit atm, is that there are now two different rods between the gauss flayer and gauss blaster. It should be the same technology, but the gauss blaster just has two, where the flayer has one. Also, the gauss flayers on the Ghost/Doomsday ark look different from the same weapon the warriors are carrying. It's a small thing, but that bugs me. The Immortals and deathmarks still look amazing. I have converted my immortals to give them the deathmark backpiece which i think looks awesome. This meant it didn't have the cable leading up to the weapon. That gave me a bit more wiggle room to position the guns in the (what I call) "minigun pose" which I really like. I would really like to see an update mostly to the warriors, flayed ones and destroyers. (+ obviously bring back the Pariahs, as I still have a unit of 10 of them that I'm atm using as warscythe lychguard) There is also so much cool "in-action" poses that you can do with the addition of a new C'tan shard. With their reality bending powers, you can do a lot of fun things with their model. Vargard Obyron is definitely one of my favourite models as well. He really looks very badass. As in, it doesn't matter who you (think you) are, but you're not getting past him...
agree with you when you say the necrons should be incorporated more into their weapon units/make them their own 'creature# so to speak like the triarch.
I’m thinking about starting the hobby with Necrons partially because they’re pretty cool (especially vehicles) even though I prefer Eldar, but I’m no arts and crafts person and their ease of painting really appeals to me,
Mm favorite character, I've bought and painted them all, and I'll say Illuminor Szeras and the Nemasor Zandrekh where the most fun of the bunch to paint along with the nightbringer, but posing wise Zandrekh is among my favorites. As for the Vault and Obelisk the Vault is almost always better thanks to the stat block and the fact it gets the powers of the C'Tan but more. A favored tactic I've seen with it is to let the Deciever pick it up and toss it into enemy lines so once its the opponents turn after its done its thing, when it goes nuclear it takes the enemy with it.
The heavy destroyers basically have las cannons heavy 1 s 9 ap -4 D D6 I feel like the standard gauss cannon might go better it does have a 36" range which is kinda rare in necrons nowadays though you can take one heavy destroyer with two normal ones.
17:30 for the ghost ark looking Norse I get that, however Egyptian boats had a similar build, it was for navigation of river ways. There are some good examples in some pharaoh tombs if you do a quick Google. Lol like the Norse, being buried with your boat, totally normal xD
So much of my older model design nostalgia stems from the original Dawn of War games. Of the older designs that still exist in print, they all look so wonky but I love them. But I can live with most of the redesigns. Except for the Broadside. The shoulder-mounted missile fisted walking artillery platform looked better than the underslung Gatling gun look it has now.
The doomsday ark/ ghost ark I actually really see the Viking look kirioth is talking about Like the transport one really reminds me of a Viking long boat, the guns at the bottom remind me of oars and the rib cage ? Thingy reminds me of like dragon/snake heads that appear on the bow of a Viking long boat in more fantasy type media
Last time I looked at Necrons and their army was back when Dawn of war dark crusade came out! Genuinely amazed by how much has changed and been added since then.
You know, this might sound strange, but I wonder how hard it would be to tweak the Doomscythe so that the wings faced backward? I think that going for more of a delta-wing type appearance on the Doomscythe would look really cool.
Watching this review I thought painting some of the transparent plastic parts could be interesting with contrast now. With the Szeraz model last saturday I've been more hyped for Necrons than I ever been hyped for Necrons. I want them to share the 9e starter set and sell the primaris half.. Just doing ossiarch conversions. Big potential. Funny how a single model makes me want to plan a new army I never really cared about before.
The ghost ark is desgined to look like an Egyptian boat, you’re thinking of vikings because the bow of the ark curves and many viking longships curved the bow in the same way. But it was commonly done in many cultures, just stuck with vikings in pop culture
I know what you're talking about with the Viking looking nature of the ghost dark and the Doomsday Ark but I think what they're going for is an ancient Egyptian Papyrus boat
for the barges you could probably chop off the pilots legs and where those would sit, then green stuff around their waist a bit to make them look integrated
Good video. Especially since I was thinking about getting back into the game. I played them back in 3rd ed. when there were only basically 5 models but 6 units (had to covert a destroyer into a hvy destroyer if you wanted one) and all metal. Till they finally got a book.
Old Szeras looks like a funky little science gremlin. New Szeras looks like the same science gremlin after a few too many failed experiments drove him to utter madness
Regarding the thing in the front and sides of the Ghost Ark - you are correct. Old viking longships often had a wooden depiction of a dragon in the front :) EDIT: And can perhaps the reason for it looking so "off" is because the robotic Egyptians are roaming around in Hypercomplicated norse boats.
My main encounter with the notminators were in the Sisters of Battle omnibus. Friggin terrifying creatures, really. I always had a softspot for the "he/they could kill you if he wanted to, he just hasnt bothered yet" its a good suspense tool if used correctly. I do so hope that something actually comes from the whole Psychic Awakening thing and its not just a vigilus stalemate again, let the horrorbenders fuck up some planets!
I've always been tempted to drill an LED into monoliths crystal. Not sure if that'd improve it but what else are you going to do with a clear bit of plastic?
Never really much of a fan of the Necrons but Szeras got me interested in them. I like it when the Necrons lean more towards killing machines devoid of empathy than space Egyptians.
The Triarch stalker is perhaps my favorite model, but I remember how much of a pain it was to build. I struggled more than that model with any other, though that was entirely with the cockpit section. Might just be me though, sort of like how warrior limbs never feel like cooperating when I'm trying to get them to stick. Spyders are the easiest for me to build conversely, and I always find the experience enjoyable. On the monolith, I have to agree with you, it looks quite dated and I was never really fond of the crystal. On the Doom scythe, I also agree with you, and love closed cockpits better too, though I should mention lorewise there is a force field there in books like the Carnac campaign. I agree on the arks to, and wish the transport looked a lot more solid like the old warbarque thing for epic (look it up and you should find a pic) were, sort of like a long version of a monolith. Flayed ones have always been in a weird spot, especially lore wise, in a shooty army, and their not great rules and sculpts don't help. But yeah of all updated models Szeras's trip to the gym is definitely the best. Good vidya.
The monolith is the reason I got into 40k the first time when I was 9 years old, still love that pyramid but I hope one day we get a new one that has options
i agree with your integration thinking for necrons one of my biggest irks with the piloted kits is why do they need chairs ? they have bodies of metal that never get tired, sore or feel anything sitting would be such an obsolete concept to a necron, they would clamp in or integrate (like the destroyers) if i was to do necrons, id spend a lot of time removing all chairs and having a more machine thinking view of pilots imagine how cool the command platform would look without the goofy pilots under the commander and if the commander was standing tall and proud while locked into a support pillar or two behind him then for the ghost/doom ark, id flip them around, the transport ship, should have all the necrons underneath just hanging limp like dolls of death waiting for activation and deployment (some what like the droid troop transports in starwars, they were stored in racks) and the doom ark should have that giant cannon up high for a good field of view, while the pilot on both is again integrated and not just chillin on a chair id also remove the font norse esq nose thing and put a pair of mini triangular obelisks down there to finalize the necron vibe the tomb blades are another great example of how its almost there , just remove the chair, have the arms and legs of the pilot hanging limp he is completely jacked in and would be using all of his senses natively through the tomb blade chassis , he has no use for his arms and legs so they would let them hang and lock them in position or clamp them, either way, it would be 1000% more grotesquely machine-alien to have some limp,dead looking metal skeleton flying at you with blades and cannons, then if they chassis is damaged and the pilot ejected, it would just drop out the bottom, stand up and start murdering ... scary the cold uncaring mechanical death army feel is completely lost when they need to have a sit down for a cuppa
I played the Nightbringer back in 7th Edition.... the only game I used him in, he got oblitered by 2 squads of black templars, armed with nothing but bolt guns xD
Think the main reason the overlord’s scythe is facing backwards because then it’s actually over the base, if it faced any other way it would be a fuckng nightmare to store
I'm pretty sure the lore about the tessaract vault says that the c'than shard is constantly destroying the vault, only for it to be repairing itself constantly. Thats the reason why there are the cubes on the inside.
illuminor szeras pushes me over the edge. I was stuck between Eldar and Necrons but he sealed the deal.
Eldar are cool tooo think about it you cant choose an army for one mini
You chose well. We're getting 13 new models all in one go!
You are gonna flip your shit when you hear about 9th edition
I love Eldar and have quite a few but a lot of their models are old as heck. Id hold off from eldar until a major refresh.
@@videopostrrr I mean... It took launching a new edition for Necrons to get a few new models, not gonna hold my breath on Eldar getting a range refresh for at least 2-3 years.
Oh god, now I will always see my Ghost Ark as a Necron Longship.
the Necron Ribship!
Funny thing is Egyptians and Vikings had similar ship designs with the low floor and the rising bow ornamentation.
Need to strap something to the prow.
@@Monkeyman12534 Maybe convert the head of the nightbringer into a prow for it? That could look really awesome.
@@CollinandBri similar applications, river travel and short range overland carry, with the need to move a lot of stuff. Convergent design.
Honestly, I like the piloted look, particularly from a lore perspective: The Triarch stalkers are meant to be a vehicle, built by individual dynasties for the Praetorians to tempt them into fighting alongside that dynasty. A case of "Here's a powerful walker for you if you fight with us," rather than "Why don't we just use this thing ourselves since it doesn't need a pilot?" As for the Destroyers, that being a result of the Destroyer curse explains why they willing upgrade themselves in a way most Necrons find abhorrent. As for the pilots in things like the Barges and arks, they are intergrated enough for me not to have an issue, and keep in mind that Destroyers are considered diseased and are hated, so why would they want to imitate something disgusting?
Man...they have aged well, I think this is why I always end up screaming for GW to update things like Orks infantry or Eldar infantry instead, even though it's been 7-8ish years, necrons have aged very well for the amount of time they have been left alone, well done on GW's part~
Metal skellingtons do have a very timeless quality.
@@Gormathius can't go wrong with undead metal space skeletons.
Well, guess who got their wish!
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I just saw the new guardians kit today, fucking finally!!
@@Earadon I'm amazed too. I've never played Eldar, or had many ideas about what I'd do for an Eldar force, but they look perfect to me. Keeping the same design, but modernizing the sculpts. Perfect!
Honestly I've always found the Necron line a little bland looking, but with the new model shown off the other day and another look at them I'm starting to appreciate them a little more.
I think that’s a fair assessment, but I do think their somewhat more simplistic design makes them one of the best Newbie armies for people just getting into the hobby. Combined with the fact that I think Necrons have the best Start Collecting Box in terms of value.
you shouldve seen them prior to 2012
@@Szarekh the characers were not bad and a plastic overlord was included in the catacomb command barch
I think I can see what you're getting at in comparing the Ghost Ark to the Vikings - it does have a profile that's reminiscent of a longship, with the low base with rows and rows of troops each with their own "oar".
It definitely has a Viking feel, with that bit at the prow, however, there is an argument for how it could be seen as Egyptian. Personally, I think they were trying to copy the lotus flower found at the stern of Egyptian vessels but in trying to make it look weird, technological and alien they lost the organic feel of the flower.
It reminds me of an old slave ship
I saw someone's artwork on reddit of a General Grievous necron, and now I want a army of them.
You still looking for one? Look up wargame exclusive. They made a grievous necron model thats for sale.
21:18
Truly a missed opportunity to Segway into the flayed ones
Totally agree on the whole 'robot driving a robot' thing being an issue. It's just a little silly conceptually and the way it's executed on the models doesn't help. I'll never be able to get over the legs of the Necron pilots hanging out the bottom of the barge. It just reminds me of the Flintstones, like they're pushing the thing along with their feet!
Martin S yep. Back when they brought out the stalker and the ark, I just thought it added a level of cheesiness.
Necrons love chairs.
Think about it. Destroyers basically became chairs!
Or a baby's high chair.
I forgot to add. A single necron is dark, menacing, disturbing... when they’re all bunched up in those silly chairs, it completely removes these traits and makes them just look comical
@@richardbrimson1650 yup, gotta stick them in a draculas coffin type arrangement with some matrix style datalinks if you desperately want your robot piloted by another robot without looking stupid
I've had obyron for at least 5 years and I still haven't painted him because I'm scared I won't do him justice
@Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord I've done him now. He's not the best but I am still very happy with the results
I convert my own flayed ones using plastic warriors replacing hands from tree revernent kit
That 1 necron on the annihilation barge has a monacle
I say, there appears to be band of invasive hooligans inside the tomb ship! Fetch me my gauss flayer, will you?
@@Gormathius Tally ho, old chum!
If they make a more updated model of the monolith I’d definetely buy one and if they make new models for there characters I’d love to get them too
please do t'au as you never seen to mention them and they seem like a faction you wouldn't know well so it would be interesting to see what you think
You know what, I'll do them next. I know fuck all about T'au.
@@Kirioth As a Communist Space Weeaboo player, I agree with this product and/or service
One thing I miss with tau is the original stealth suits. The new ones feel so clunky and well, not stealthy. While the old one looks like a power armored commando.
@@KiriothThe Greater Good has won out again
@@Kirioth good stuff. I hate tau, i hae the look of them, i hate playing agaibst them - but i wanna see you talking about them :)
The Tomb Blades still remind me too much of the IT Bike from South Park.....
I really don't see that as a bad thing... :P
As soon as I saw that old-ass Monolith...
"THE MONOLITH! WE DESTROY THAT AND THIS IS OVER! CHARGE!"
I love how Zandrekh is just eternally dabbing
I would say the Overlord is my favourite model, but after seeing the glory of the new Szeras...i'm in love with him, always been an amazing, unique, terrifying character and at last his model showcases this beautifully!
I've not really thought about starting a Necron army before, but after watching this video I can hear my wallet quivering in fear...
Concerning the idea of converting your own flayed ones, Miniwargaming did a campaign a few years ago with a whole army of necrons converted to look like flayed ones. They’re cool as hell models and probably worth a peek.
Thank you for making these Range review videos, it is really interesting to hear your take on the different models. I am just starting to make a Necron army so can't say much on the playability in this edition. I plan to have just a small army, but if it goes like my Chaos Space Marines I bet I et a lot of Necrons pretty soon. My CSM army was supposed to just be a small warband because I liked some of the models but before I had checked out from the Games Workshop store it was a lot bigger than intended. And now they are getting two knights as well... Need to start painting the army soon... But first I will build some Necrons I think.
I have always loved the Lychguard/Praetorian kit because it has great options for creating customised Necron characters, I have like 13 custom characters and virtually all of them use Lychguard/Praetorian pieces in some combination with other Necron and even non-Necron kits.
I been looking forward to this.
I've been playing Necrons since I got into 8th edition (having gotten back into the hobby after stopping before 5th), and i'm slowly collecting every necron model in the range. I personally love the green tubes and the crystal of the monolith, but i get what you mean. Even though I love all the models you say have an Immortal as the starting point (i.e. destroyers), i'm personally not a fan of the immortals themselves, at least in their current format. They feel like they overtook the classic warriors as the default troop choice.
Will you do a Forge World review of the necron range at any point? I'd love to hear your views on the Tomb Stalkers and Sentinels
The big crystal is actually my favourite feature on the monolith. Just looking at it you instantly know it’s something that radiates intense power. And that’s the great thing about the faction design in general I think; high detail or low detail, they always have a very concise feel.
Choose your words carefully..
_--Raises Flayer and Warscythe-_-
9:56 agree with you 100% Seeing that thing as it’s own Necron “creature” instead of a piloted vehicle would look so awesome!
On the ghost ark you are probebly thinking of a viking dragon head on viking ships and you have now cursed me to never unseeing that.
Honestly, most I'd want is plastic models for the old resin characters and flayed ones; and sole rule updates, but we're getting those anyway.
Aaaaaaand maybe a massive centrepiece model of the Silent King, somewhere down the line.
But wouldnt the silent king be normal size? So then It would need to be more of a Szenic model with a lot of stuff going on, kinda like that procession the sisters got
@@jakobschoning7355 I mean; Katakros from Age of Sigmar is an amazing model like that; with Katakros not even being that big model-wise, but his base is ridiculously scenic.
I'd be perfectly fine with either a massive base model or a massive model itself. Heck, even if he wasn't particularly large, a souped-up Catacomb Command Barge-like vehicle'd be a Pimp-mobile that'd give Logan Grimnar an inferiority complex.
@@14Flamefish Yeas, Katakros was also the first thing I thought about, I think that would fit very well
Take the large character from the bone reapers in AOS, cut him in half at the torso, and stick him on top of the command barge; then stick the gun from the annihilation barge on for his right arm and boom. You have a giant destroyer lord.
The first time I saw the Necrons (from memory) was when GW did a triple battle report to show off a new commissar model in White Dwarf.
The first battle report was the Commissar (they gave him a name, though I can't remember what it was) having to escape from a jungle with some Catachans as Necrons were waking up.
The Necrons felt properly terrifying, as even though the IG player one it was only because they evaced the Commissar out with a Valkryie. Meanwhile the Necrons had mean marching inexorably forwards, tanking insane amounts of damage and flaying alive Catachans with their Gauss rifles with every burst. I can still remember feeling the panic of the monolith starting to awaken; from here on out, Necrons to me always had the most and the best doomsday weapons.
The second time I'd met them was in the Fall of Damnos, both in the 5e Codex and in the novel. I'm not ashamed to admit that I really like Ultramarines even if they are overexposed, so seeing them struggle and ultimately lose the battle against the Necrons had this shocking yet appropriate feel to me. It really felt like any Imperial colony that had the misfortune of being on a Tomb World was doomed from the start. How do you fight something that's hard to kill, extremely destructive, numerous and for good measure is embedded in the planet itself? What made it even better was that in the novel the Necron POVs were actually compellingly written, humanised without sacrificing that alien, inhuman element.
Long story short of this ramble; I really like the old Necron models, even if I'm never going to buy them. For me, a true Necron army is always going to be at least partially composed of Warriors, Immortals, Destroyers, Flayers and Monoliths. Some of them do need to be redone though, which considering the new Illuminor Szeras I hope happens.
I even prefer the old Wraith over the new one; the old one had a nice sinuous, agile feel, which worked really well with what it's supposed to do. The newer one lacks that a tiny bit, even if it is well-crafted.
I will say this for the newer stuff: GW absolutely nailed making each named character look and feel different, such that I would be able to distinguish who they are or at the least guess who they are. The Diviner looks like he's been driven mad by prophecies, which I quite like.
And finally, I do miss the Pariahs. The Lychguard are fine, and I like how they have a midway point in ostentatious between the lowly Warrior and the noble Lords, but the Pariahs were just so cool in look and concept. Necron weapons were already terrifying enough in how they could kill you, but the idea that having a special gene could cause them to abduct you and turn you into one of them...
Great video as always, although I am disappointing that I can't work in a pun here. I C'tan be losing my touch...
If there's one range, that needs a complete overhaul, it's necrons.
They need new miniatures, more of a 'horror' look to them.
And they need a new codex. It's woefully underpowered, compared to most other codexes.
The new sezaz miniature looks amazing.
Frydeswide2019 I’m still mad that the Stormlord has the same number of attacks as even the lowest Lord and of the weakest dynasty, and he’s a goddamn Phaeron
Let’s see, all our names characters are resin and save for imotek are pretty much a waste of points,
most of our units are a waste of points, and are woefully overpriced and underpowered, and many are just beyond old.
The warrior is an ancient sculpt that will never see competitive play, and the immortal isn’t much better.
Almost all our vehicles save for 2 are a waste of points, and our forgeworld stuff is really bad. Not to mention a lot of our vehicles haven’t aged well.
You could probably write an entire book on the problems with the necrons codex as well
@@nathanieleck1023 100 % agree
I get what you mean with the Dragon head ship prows I know for me it's probably from the Asterix and Obelix comics as a child or maybe the Ishimura from Dead Space .
I love the Doom scythe's pilot, he don't give an F about things like weather or oxygen cuz he's a tiny little metal man.
I love the canoptek units the most out of the range. A lot of them have strangely adorable faces yet the rest of them is a horrific robot insect.
When I was 11 I glued my destroyers on backwards. Then I got the obligatory brushful of bolt gun metal followed too quickly after by the obligatory brushful of badab black. Ahhh confused times.
i love these videos. nobody else seems to do these. I think making a range review playlist would be a good idea
The ghost ark looks like an Egyptian/Greek trireme.
Also the tomb blades look like the monocycle that Mr garrison created in southpark
i think the different arks are more viking longboat themed
Damn the monolith is really showing its age, was around when I started getting interested. Would be nice to get a new one with a similar style to freshen it up, something similar to when t'au got updated crisis suits and fire warriors.
In case you didn’t notice, we need a lot of new everything, as most of our range is resin now
@@nathanieleck1023 Necrons you mean? Most of its plastic, except some of the characters and Flayed Ones.
Akrabra, characters make up most of our range, and almost all of them are resin, and a handful still are metal, and yes we have a lot of plastic, but we haven’t gotten any new kits in a loooooooong time, and in the past decade this is the second character refresh we’ve gotten.
Most Necron Canoptek constructs have such a cute face, but it's attached to nothing but pure murder
Man, you nailed it with the Flayed Ones. Sticking a torso on them just looks ridiculous, they WERE already terrifying with the whole flesh and bloodlust ordeal
The thing I like about necrons is that you can get lots of models done to a good standard quicklybut still have some really good, long painting pictures.
I get the viking thing about some of them, and the Egyptian insectoid too. They do look kinda nice.
You know what I was first reminded of by some of them though? Stargate sg1 replicators.
I think if I got back into 40k again (which I may well, even if just for painting), I would go with chaos space marines and probably orks at some point. Compared with what choice there was in the days of 2nd edition, worlds of difference, but you can still see the aesthetic origins in a number of the newer models.
Ancient Egyptian warships and Viking longships are surprisingly similar in design, I recommend a quick google search of them cause it’s interesting
What would’ve been hilarious for the triarch stalker is if instead of a pilot seat there was the torso of a destroyer attached to the top including its cannon arm. Or maybe two cannon arms cus why not. Kitbash it, I dare you.
The Triarch Stalker kit comes with all 3 Weapon options. One can use the options to upgrade the Heavy Destroyer weapon. Works just as fine and is distinguishable from "normal" Destroyers.
I love my boney bois. My favourite thing is that the Command / Annihilation barge pilots cause it looks to me like they are peddling to propel it forward and the Overlord in the back just wants a fancy bike.
Paddle me closer. I want to hit them with my warscythe!
Did you read 'Severed', Kirioth? Its about Zandrekh and Obyron. Very decent, short novel.
The Ghost/Doomsday Ark have a Forge World Kit called a Tesseract Ark, and I love that.
I agree with you on a lot of these. As a Necron player myself though I can tell you the models have a lot of logic to them. Dynasty units get rules benefits that match each but Canoptek and Triarch units do not. Also Canoptek and Triarch units have those keywords and the models do help reflect the roles. A Triarch pilot helps show a vehicle isn't part of a Dynasty and also not a Canoptek automata. Also the "Arks" are like Egyptian boats, not Viking, similar to Greek triremes. They look cool to me.
Vikings did put dragon or serpents head carvings on the front of their ships to scare the enemy.
Really enjoying these range reviews, great thing to have on in the background while working from home. Thank you
(Gets out gore umbrella and sighs)
Alright let's get this blood bath over with.
These range reviews are my favorite thing you do so far. I enjoy the honest opinions and I find myself rethinking my opinions on some models after hearing your thoughts
The triarch stalker I actually didn't use the pilot bit on the top. I just ended up having the gun mounted there instead.
the viking thing is the head of the ships, which has a similar vibe, but this also occurs on aztec temples.
As an OG Necron player, the small thing that is bugging me a bit atm, is that there are now two different rods between the gauss flayer and gauss blaster. It should be the same technology, but the gauss blaster just has two, where the flayer has one. Also, the gauss flayers on the Ghost/Doomsday ark look different from the same weapon the warriors are carrying. It's a small thing, but that bugs me.
The Immortals and deathmarks still look amazing. I have converted my immortals to give them the deathmark backpiece which i think looks awesome. This meant it didn't have the cable leading up to the weapon. That gave me a bit more wiggle room to position the guns in the (what I call) "minigun pose" which I really like. I would really like to see an update mostly to the warriors, flayed ones and destroyers. (+ obviously bring back the Pariahs, as I still have a unit of 10 of them that I'm atm using as warscythe lychguard)
There is also so much cool "in-action" poses that you can do with the addition of a new C'tan shard. With their reality bending powers, you can do a lot of fun things with their model.
Vargard Obyron is definitely one of my favourite models as well. He really looks very badass. As in, it doesn't matter who you (think you) are, but you're not getting past him...
agree with you when you say the necrons should be incorporated more into their weapon units/make them their own 'creature# so to speak like the triarch.
I’m thinking about starting the hobby with Necrons partially because they’re pretty cool (especially vehicles) even though I prefer Eldar, but I’m no arts and crafts person and their ease of painting really appeals to me,
Mm favorite character, I've bought and painted them all, and I'll say Illuminor Szeras and the Nemasor Zandrekh where the most fun of the bunch to paint along with the nightbringer, but posing wise Zandrekh is among my favorites. As for the Vault and Obelisk the Vault is almost always better thanks to the stat block and the fact it gets the powers of the C'Tan but more. A favored tactic I've seen with it is to let the Deciever pick it up and toss it into enemy lines so once its the opponents turn after its done its thing, when it goes nuclear it takes the enemy with it.
The heavy destroyers basically have las cannons heavy 1 s 9 ap -4 D D6 I feel like the standard gauss cannon might go better it does have a 36" range which is kinda rare in necrons nowadays though you can take one heavy destroyer with two normal ones.
17:30 for the ghost ark looking Norse I get that, however Egyptian boats had a similar build, it was for navigation of river ways. There are some good examples in some pharaoh tombs if you do a quick Google. Lol like the Norse, being buried with your boat, totally normal xD
Yay ive been waitin for this since you started doin this. Glad i didnt have to wait long
The lychguard with shields and the cryptek i would get for painting and display alone, really nice models.
The stalker being piloted was always my only gripe with it.
3:49
That problem can be easily circumvented with some clear wire holding the upper parts of the corners together.
You're right about the ark. The Egyptian solar boat (which is what I assume they're going for) does look like a Viking longship in profile.
Warriors can be easily converted into Flayed Ones as reposes requires no green stuff, which instead can be used for the draped flesh and claws.
I have to be honest, the tomb-blades at first glance made me think of mister Garrison's IT bike from south park... and laughed like mad.
Well if you look up the Egyptian barge you can really see where they got their inspiration good vid as usual
So much of my older model design nostalgia stems from the original Dawn of War games. Of the older designs that still exist in print, they all look so wonky but I love them. But I can live with most of the redesigns. Except for the Broadside. The shoulder-mounted missile fisted walking artillery platform looked better than the underslung Gatling gun look it has now.
I like the tesseract vault, only because I want to use that c'tan as the centerpiece for my Abattoir.
Did anyone else clock that nemesor zahndrekh is dabbing???
The doomsday ark/ ghost ark I actually really see the Viking look kirioth is talking about
Like the transport one really reminds me of a Viking long boat, the guns at the bottom remind me of oars and the rib cage ? Thingy reminds me of like dragon/snake heads that appear on the bow of a Viking long boat in more fantasy type media
I actually like the longer videos. I like hearing your opinions!
Last time I looked at Necrons and their army was back when Dawn of war dark crusade came out! Genuinely amazed by how much has changed and been added since then.
You know, this might sound strange, but I wonder how hard it would be to tweak the Doomscythe so that the wings faced backward? I think that going for more of a delta-wing type appearance on the Doomscythe would look really cool.
It's the figurehead on the ghost arc cannon, if they had changed it to a scarab looking thing it would work but it looks like a norse long ship.
Watching this review I thought painting some of the transparent plastic parts could be interesting with contrast now.
With the Szeraz model last saturday I've been more hyped for Necrons than I ever been hyped for Necrons. I want them to share the 9e starter set and sell the primaris half..
Just doing ossiarch conversions. Big potential. Funny how a single model makes me want to plan a new army I never really cared about before.
I'd love to see what you think about the grey knights model line. Or even other space marine legions with less legion specific models.
Legion of the damned
The ghost ark is desgined to look like an Egyptian boat, you’re thinking of vikings because the bow of the ark curves and many viking longships curved the bow in the same way. But it was commonly done in many cultures, just stuck with vikings in pop culture
I know what you're talking about with the Viking looking nature of the ghost dark and the Doomsday Ark but I think what they're going for is an ancient Egyptian Papyrus boat
for the barges you could probably chop off the pilots legs and where those would sit, then green stuff around their waist a bit to make them look integrated
Good video. Especially since I was thinking about getting back into the game. I played them back in 3rd ed. when there were only basically 5 models but 6 units (had to covert a destroyer into a hvy destroyer if you wanted one) and all metal. Till they finally got a book.
Old Szeras looks like a funky little science gremlin. New Szeras looks like the same science gremlin after a few too many failed experiments drove him to utter madness
The one I've been waiting for!
Regarding the thing in the front and sides of the Ghost Ark - you are correct. Old viking longships often had a wooden depiction of a dragon in the front :)
EDIT: And can perhaps the reason for it looking so "off" is because the robotic Egyptians are roaming around in Hypercomplicated norse boats.
My main encounter with the notminators were in the Sisters of Battle omnibus. Friggin terrifying creatures, really.
I always had a softspot for the "he/they could kill you if he wanted to, he just hasnt bothered yet" its a good suspense tool if used correctly.
I do so hope that something actually comes from the whole Psychic Awakening thing and its not just a vigilus stalemate again, let the horrorbenders fuck up some planets!
lol can't wait for part two now!
The Charges are based off Egyptian boats and how there dead We are transported in the afterlife
I've always been tempted to drill an LED into monoliths crystal. Not sure if that'd improve it but what else are you going to do with a clear bit of plastic?
I've seen some guys crumple up a piece of tin foil and put it inside the crystal. It gives the crystal a different appearance
Never really much of a fan of the Necrons but Szeras got me interested in them. I like it when the Necrons lean more towards killing machines devoid of empathy than space Egyptians.
That Heavy Destroyer gun is such a pain to work with. It's all finecast and they come super bent.
The Triarch stalker is perhaps my favorite model, but I remember how much of a pain it was to build. I struggled more than that model with any other, though that was entirely with the cockpit section. Might just be me though, sort of like how warrior limbs never feel like cooperating when I'm trying to get them to stick. Spyders are the easiest for me to build conversely, and I always find the experience enjoyable. On the monolith, I have to agree with you, it looks quite dated and I was never really fond of the crystal. On the Doom scythe, I also agree with you, and love closed cockpits better too, though I should mention lorewise there is a force field there in books like the Carnac campaign. I agree on the arks to, and wish the transport looked a lot more solid like the old warbarque thing for epic (look it up and you should find a pic) were, sort of like a long version of a monolith. Flayed ones have always been in a weird spot, especially lore wise, in a shooty army, and their not great rules and sculpts don't help. But yeah of all updated models Szeras's trip to the gym is definitely the best. Good vidya.
So many ideas. Thinking of converting each character to make retainers as well for my lord.
Cannot wait for the Eldar one, where half the range is either really old plastic or resin
The monolith is the reason I got into 40k the first time when I was 9 years old, still love that pyramid but I hope one day we get a new one that has options
i agree with your integration thinking for necrons
one of my biggest irks with the piloted kits is why do they need chairs ?
they have bodies of metal that never get tired, sore or feel anything
sitting would be such an obsolete concept to a necron, they would clamp in or integrate (like the destroyers)
if i was to do necrons, id spend a lot of time removing all chairs and having a more machine thinking view of pilots
imagine how cool the command platform would look without the goofy pilots under the commander and if the commander was standing tall and proud while locked into a support pillar or two behind him
then for the ghost/doom ark, id flip them around, the transport ship, should have all the necrons underneath just hanging limp like dolls of death waiting for activation and deployment
(some what like the droid troop transports in starwars, they were stored in racks)
and the doom ark should have that giant cannon up high for a good field of view, while the pilot on both is again integrated and not just chillin on a chair
id also remove the font norse esq nose thing and put a pair of mini triangular obelisks down there to finalize the necron vibe
the tomb blades are another great example of how its almost there , just remove the chair, have the arms and legs of the pilot hanging limp
he is completely jacked in and would be using all of his senses natively through the tomb blade chassis , he has no use for his arms and legs
so they would let them hang and lock them in position or clamp them, either way, it would be 1000% more grotesquely machine-alien to have some limp,dead looking metal skeleton flying at you with blades and cannons, then if they chassis is damaged and the pilot ejected, it would just drop out the bottom, stand up and start murdering ... scary
the cold uncaring mechanical death army feel is completely lost when they need to have a sit down for a cuppa
I played the Nightbringer back in 7th Edition.... the only game I used him in, he got oblitered by 2 squads of black templars, armed with nothing but bolt guns xD
Think the main reason the overlord’s scythe is facing backwards because then it’s actually over the base, if it faced any other way it would be a fuckng nightmare to store