Greg Maddux explains who was the number 1 purest baseball hitter when he was in the major leagues .
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Tony Gwynn is the only correct answer to that question.
I felt the same way. Any other answer would have surprised me. And when I lived on the west coast, a San Diego fan I talked with and expressed my Gwynn-anxiety to thought Dale Murphy had been the tougher out and would have gladly traded. You seldom appreciate your hometown guy as much as the other team's fans, the guys who want to get him out. When Gwynn was coming to the plate, good luck with your coping mechanism.
Will Clark hands down
Chipper was not far behind him, when Chipper wasn't focusing on trying to hit for power his average would spike. Pudge wasn't to bad either!
@@charliecrowley1070 When I lived in Los Angeles I used to take pride in how much Dodger fans, whom I respect, hated Jones. Seeing him homer from both sides of the plate there in about '99 was golden.
Agreed, but Boggs and Frank Thomas were pretty damn hard to face in crunch time.
18 Gold Gloves will never be matched. Greg's control and baseball smarts won't be matched either
Records are made to be broken
Yeah 18 isn't unbreakable at all. Ichiro had 17 considering NPB. He could've easily won more, they just stopped voting for him after his offense declined.
Let’s not forget his base running smarts: 11 for 14 in stolen bases.
He was a good hitter too
@@waynewells3297 who cares? Because it's such a low number they never paid him any attention. He couldn't steal if the game was on the line.
Greg Maddux my favorite pitcher of all time I spent hours growing up trying to master that damn 2 seam fast ball of his, it was like magic the only fastball I know of that moved like screwball it was so cool, so many batters would watch his 2 seam fast ball go DEFINITIVELY towards the outside of the plate 87 mph, nothing special an obvious BALL 1 a little high but nope right at the last moment it would tail right back in over the plate catching sooooooo many batters looking for strike 1, he was the only pitcher i never grew bored of watching , he threw literally the prettiest pitches in baseball it was like watching an artist just paint the strike zone :)
Pedro is my man (even as a Yankee fan), but i won’t argue Maddux. Best purest hitter for sure Gwynn. Just amazing talent.
Ted William agrees
@@johnwhite2576 That's interesting because Williams put so much stress on power.
I guess you never watched George Brett play. Pure hitter< Pure baseball player.
@@johnblaze5252Ted Williams smashes Brett in every offensive category.
@@RickPerry-ve1vs what does Ted Williams have to do with Greg Maddox & Tony Gwynn being the hardest out? Brett was around same time as Gwynn & was a superior talent in every aspect of the game including batting average. Ted’s Williams & Maddox were from completely different eras. Yes Ted Williams did many things well & that includes being more legendary than George Brett. However back to MY point George Brett > Tony Gwynn in every aspect of the game it’s undeniable. TW is immortal.
I was lucky to be a Padres fan and see Tony Gwynn play for many years. What a treat.
Terrible interview. Maddox and Gwynn were arguably the two best at their positions. They faced each other for 15 years.
Too bad you’re still looking for that first WS title.
Even at the tail end of his career it was a joy watching him pitch for my Padres.
Greg Maddux is one of the best pitchers ever 😊
Of all the pitchers in the history of the game it's amazing to see Maddux is 8th all time in wins.
Greatest pitcher of the generation, with all due respect to Pedro and the Unit.
Huh ? No. Id take Clemens over Maddux .
@@tacotom3492whatever. Clemens would have been retired by 97 if it wasn't for PEDs.
Three of the best ever too close to call there man.
Not Randy, he was a freak, but they are definitely 1 and 2
I definitely appreciate you not placing Roidin’ Roger over Johnson lol
A pure joy to watch his career.. yankee fan. But saw a ton of Cubs and Braves games.... what a old school talent!!
WGN & TBS Harry Carey and Skip Carey
Life long Yankee fan here starting with Game 7 of the 1960 World Series. I saw Maddox pitch a regular season game at the Stadium. I never saw a more effortless motion than Greg's. Great , great pitcher. I put him right there with Gibson, Seaver, Palmer, and Pedro. And for the record, Koufax stands alone😉
I loved it when the playoffs were on, and I got to watch Greg Maddux pitch. It was like watching Michaelangelo paint the SIstine Chapel. The man was a pure artist.
Lifelong Braves fan. Saw them play at Fulton County Stadium several times in the early 1990's. Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery are my all time favorite pitchers. Tony Gwynn hit like .400 off those guys. Dude was superhuman. Fastballer Smoltz reportedly resorted to throwing knuckleballs against Gwynn to get him out. Crazy.
easily one of the smartest pitchers who ever lived.. sneaky athletic too.. Loved watching him pitch even though I was an A's/Giants fan (100+ wins and couldn't make the postseason because of ATL... who was in the NL West back then, lololol)
Greg Maddux was a great pitcher and a quality all-around athlete. 1
As a pitcher he was also a decent hitter. Great athlete absolutely.
I heard a quote about Greg "He had the 3rd best curveball on his team, 3rd best fastball on his team 3rd best slider on his team and he was the greatest pitcher of hi time."
Their memories are so precise!
Best pure pitcher I’ve ever seen talking about the best pure hitter I’ve ever seen. Both good guys too.
I lived in San Diego through most of Tony's career, and yes, the best pure hitter I've seen. Always amazed me during steal or hit & run situations how Tony was so adept at finding the hole. When the SS covered 2nd, Tony could slap the ball through the SS hole into LF, and when the 2nd baseman covered, he'd pull the ball into RF. Amazing bat control, but not just a singles hitter. He often drilled line drive doubles into the gaps and down the lines, and occasionally muscled up for HRs. RIP
Before watching: Tony Gwynn. I’ll edit if I’m wrong.
Greg hated Tony because he could never fool him. LOL
Same here.
Of course it was.
Good call
This was a gimme. There was no other possible answer.
I go back to the 60s with Mays, Aaron, Clemente, and so many other great hitters, but the best hitter I ever saw was Barry Bonds 2002-2004. If he was lucky, he would get one pitch, ONE pitch to hit per at bat. But if he got that pitch, he would nail it. In those three years he was walked intentionally 249 times. 249! But don't say I have a man-crush on the guy. I'm from Pittsburgh, and Bonds' name might as well be mud here. And don't hand me the steroids argument. Steroids don't make you a great hitter.
Saw the title of the video and knew he was going to say Gwynn.
Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez are the two greatest RHP's of that generation.
Clemens?
Hard to argue with that
@@jamesanthony5681 with Boston yes but you can't count the steroid years
@@merleshand2442 who was on steroids and who wasn't? So sick of that dumb ass argument.
@@jamesanthony5681 if he didn't shoot up. yeah.
Love how solid and consistent he was. Never flashy, always showed up and did the right thing. Never the most interesting guy, but definitely one of the smartest. Go Braves!
Greg's my ALL TIME favorite player, he was the reason i watched the cubs and braves
Yankee fan here. Maddux is what I want a pitcher to be. Give me 5 of them. Cashman... you're fired. I don't care about spin rate or whatever. Pin point control with 91 on the corner. That will win you 102 games a year and 5 rings. I GUARANTEE it. People say... well.. the Braves had THREE guys doing that but didn't. Sure. You're right. But they didn't have the Yankee's lineup.
They didn’t win more because they didn’t have that killer instinct. They lost to inferior teams often.
Greg was a pitcher who truly knew baseball was a game of inches. He was so good at placement. He was a master corner painter and putting the ball where the hitter just couldn't do much with it. He could consistently let long ball hitters have just enough of the ball to get it to the warning track.
If I had to build a team from a stable of every player who has ever played. Without question Maddox would be my 1st pick!
For me I'd take Schilling
Considering Maddox’s fastball was around 90 mph(that’s being generous) it’s amazing he so successful.Pin point control was his best asset.
Tony Gwynn spent hours studying pitchers.In one season he had more homers than strikeouts:15 homers,13 strikeouts.
A true class act
Gwynn vs Maddux: .429 avg with zero strikeouts!
I've been a life long Braves fan. Man, what a run they had in the 90's! Greg Maddux is my second favorite Brave of all time, behind only Hank Aaron. No doubt, Tony Gwynn was the best pure hitter of that era, if not of all time! He could hit anything! My personal favorite hitter (and overall ball player) was Ken Griffey Jr., but he was more of a slugger, and could not hit like Gwynn. I wish he could have played for Atlanta! The power he had with that perfect technique though, what a sweet swing!
Give Ted Williams credit for publishing a book on the fundamentals of hitting a baseball, which Tony studied religiously, during his youth.
Great all around player
Maddux, Pedro, & Bartolo are the only 3 righties I saw of that era, that were able to throw that FB that looked, to a lefty, that it was coming right at their jersey, but tailed over the inside corner.... a nasty pitch that they would all 3 also change speeds on when they felt it necessary... also 3 nasty competitors that I wish I had a second lifetime to enjoy watching again.
Bartolo? Of all the great righties, you list him? ERA+ barely over 100 and 46 WAR. Ohhhhhh k then
I would love to call a game with Greg on the mound.
I don't know if Maddux ever faced Carew or Ichiro them being in the American League. I'm old enough to remember Carew. He was incredible to watch. You gotta wonder what Ichiros final numbers would have been if he played his entire career in MLB. Those two and Tony for sure were the three best hitters I saw. My late father would give me hell for saying that. His favorite player was Ted Williams!
Maddux showed what the secret to pitching is: Hit your spots and change speeds. Keep the hitter off balance.
Because Greg was an expert lip reader, all players nowadays put their glove over half their face when meeting on the mound.
He also one time spent 3 years setting up Vlad Guerrero Sr. (!) for a specific pitch in a specific situation. When that moment arrived, he threw a back door fastball to the outside. It was borderline and he didn’t get the call. I saw his reaction on TV, and read about it much later when he revealed the situation.
Other than that, he was a decent pitcher (sarc).
Greg Maddox awesome!
Maddox was the brainiac of pitching!
Maddux... was a NASTY pitcher. Loved watching him, Glavine and Smoltz play.
I knew it was Tony Gwynn the second i read the title.
Madduex was the greatest pitcher that I've ever watched pitch, and Gwynn was the greatest hitter that I've ever watched hit.
You didn't watch much baseball .. with all due respect
@@tacotom3492 I had to laugh at your comment. Actually I've watched a LOT of baseball. Maddux was a magician on the mound, and Gwynn could hit any pitch thrown to him. I'm not sure why you chose to post a negative assumption about my knowledge of baseball unless you're looking for an argument. But, hey, to each his own. So who are the greatest pitcher and hitter that you've watched?
@@mikehouston9455 I was in the ballpark when Maddux got his 300th win. Only time I ever wanted the Giants to lose. I think he will be the last pitcher to get to 300+ wins. Bonds was the greatest hitter ever. 2nd would be Griffey Jr.
@@gregrizzo8054 We would probably need to define what we each mean by greatest. As far as bat-to-ball skill, if i needed someone to put the ball in play and get a base hit with the game on the line (not necessarily hit a HR), I'd take Tony Gwynn every time.
@@gregrizzo8054 Bonds was not the greatest hitter, a lot of it has to do with how bad he was in the playoffs. That's what separates some of the hitters in his ballpark, like Ruth, Gehrig, Gwynn, Griffey, etc.
Ted Williams is the only other great that was as bad as Barry in the postseason but he legit only had one playoff series in his entire career. I'd still say Ted was a better regular season hitter than Bonds before Barry gained like 60 lbs of muscle in his neck.
I remember S.I. did an article during the 1990's about Maddux, Clemens and Pedro . . . And they compared that group to the AL in the 1930's when Greenberg, Gehrig, Foxx were awesome 1B's and there were periods and leagues when some great SS's or CF's (Mays, Mantle, Snider, etc).
Anyway the point was that Maddux, Clemens, Pedro during the period when HR's were, uhhm, encouraged, were arguably one of the greatest triads of RH-SP's ever. And it was hard to argue hands-down who was better, for a game, for a season, for a career, when a series was on the line . . . Together as a group, they were among the best of all time.
And in 2007, Clemens final year, he retired with 354 Wins.
So at the age of 42, Maddux decided to pitch one more (part of a) year . . . with the Dodgers in 2008,
Running on fumes, he made 7 Starts, and won 2 of them.
And Maddux retired with 355 Wins. 'nuff said.
Just... taking the hardest possible path with no attack power up... it is astonishing.
18!! That’s unreal.
I remember I SO wanted him to play ONE more season, and when he announced his retirement it so saddened me. Simply because, if he played just that One more season he almost surely would have moved from 8th All-Time Winningest Pitcher to 5th. Think about that 5TH ALL-TIME...in our Lifetime. And then it would have been So much easier for Everyone to give this guy his Earned Respect. When you get time, check out that list, you will be amazed.
In my lifetime of being a fan.You have on the Pure hitter list a good many that could lay that Claim.Like Boggs,Brett,Carew,Gwenn,Rose...many more but I digress.Numbr one in my book .....Ichiro.
I grew up idolizing Rod Carew another pure hitter but then When I attended San Diego St 78-80 In Comes Tony Gwynn a transfer from Long Beach City College To A Full Ride Basketball Scholarship To Play Point Guard for the Aztecs Yep ! Supporting a Julius Irving Fro Tony was solid on the Hard Courts then he said Iam going out for Baseball in 79 The Rest Is History Tony was in two of my Classes We even double dated Super Nice Guy That Darn Habit of Chewing Tobacco Cost him in the end I tried out for The Aztecs same time Tony did I was not on the Final Cut Spring Roster That Team was loaded Bud Black Bobby Meacham & Tony were stars In The Making Besides Ichiro The Great Mariner Carew Tony was the best hitter I ever saw Period ⚾💪
That is correct! Tony Gwynn is the only answer.
Edgar Martinez is top 5... I'd love to hear Greg's top 5 hitters he faced.
I have a sheet or more of Gwynn rookies. He was my favorite player along with Ripkin and Carew. The day people respect him I will let go of a few
Bad interviewer- Maddux that statement about Gwynn and the guy changes subject so quickly- RIP to one of the best ever
Pete Rose, Ishiro, and Boggs were good hitters too.
He didn't need to sell the game when he was playing, baseball was number one at that time.
Not the same era but many would say Bob Gibson was the best....some of his ERA seasons were insane.
For those who think Barry Bonds deserves to be in the Hall of Fame simply imagine putting his jersey next to Tony Gwynn's. It would be an insult to put Bonds next to him.
On stolen bases, at the tail end of his career Maddux pitched for the Padres in 2008. The Padres were so bad at stealing bases that year that in a certain month they only stole one base. Guess who got it? Maddux, who was in his forties.
those braves team shoulda won so many more world series
You could say the same about the Phillies teams from 2005-2011.
""We did get one"
without even seeing the answer, its got to be Tony Gwynn. there cant be another answer
Imagine if you threw a balled up piece of paper and missed the trash can by 2 feet. Then an umpire came along and put it in the can for you, and told everyone that you threw it right in there.
Who is the only player to receive 100% votes on HOF ballot? Babe Ruth .. no Tony Gwynn.. no Mickey Mantle … no Griffey… yes
Rod Carew is one puré Batters , also Gorge Brett !
Read that Tony and his brother practiced hitting bottle caps with broom sticks..
I first heard of that technique from Yogi Berra who said he hit pebbles with sticks as a youngster. I tried it myself as a teenager. Very tough!
Tony Gwynn sure but honorable mention for KG Jr.
Greg outfoxed a lot of batters, he should write a book on the art of pitching
A lot of pitchers are naturally gifted with a live arm but don’t know how to actually pitch the baseball.
There's never 'just one' but Roberto Clemente was pretty good. 😂
Tony Gwynn / rod carew / tony oliva / rico carty / wade boggs / pete rose / potato - patotto
Love watching ATL games when cable became the norm But lets show some love to the guys who couldn't "Rush" it up there like Clemens Like Maddox,i"m particularly fond of Jamie Moyer....Slow Slower and Slowest but could get the job done run that 88 mph fastball right by you.
Maddux didn’t throw slow
Ichiro to me but he was after Maddox’s time
I'm guessing it's Tony Gwynn.
before i listen to this, it's Tony Gwynn
Tony Gwynn was the purest hitter, but Maddux once said Bond's was the easiest hitter to pitch to. Just throw four balls.
What a pompas ass interview . . . Maddux answered the questions with class.
1) It's "pompous."
2) What's so pompous about it? Who's being pompous? How so?
just a totally idiotic interview. You could tell Tony Gwynn what you were going to throw?? That would make it easier for him, idiot Dan Patrick. Would you notice if I took one of your gold gloves?? I mean, wtf?
In a game filled with specialists, and pitching the most specialized position, Maddux considered himself a BASEBALL PLAYER first and foremost. I just wish more players in today’s game had that attitude. Too many players today are just hitters or “throwers” (I really don’t consider many of them pitchers because very few of them understand pitching the way a Maddux, Pedro, or guys from a previous generation, such as Seaver, Gibson, Jenkins, Koufax, Carlton, Palmer and Drysdale understood pitching). Pitchers should be in the batting lineup. “Hitters” should have to play defense. How long before you have offense and defense in baseball, just like football? No thanks. Old school - yes. Absolutely!
Hitters should have to play defense? A hitter is just that.
Pitchers should be in the lineup? Ok boomer. 😂
@@RickPerry-ve1vs A baseball player is a baseball player. If they can't do both, they really shouldn't be out there. Football is the only team sport that divides the team into offensive nd defensive squads. Hockey doesn't. Basketball doesn't. Soccer doesn't. Baseball never used to. And it was a helluva lot better game before the DH...
@@myronlarimer1943 ok old timer. Thanks for your very dated opinion. Go back to the 70s.
@@myronlarimer1943 DH has been around since 1973. No, baseball was not better before then. It’s objectively much better. I know you geezers hate analytics but facts aren’t on your side.
Shouldn’t be out there huh? Yea Edgar Martinez had no business being out there. What a bum.
I can't argue with an MLB legend such as Maddux, but in my opinion, I always thought Griffey Jr. was the purest hitter.
He’s the Drew Brees of Baseball. (Accuracy)
That Braves team did won one, but it still feels disappointing with all that talent. They really should've won a least 3.
Yea we can say the same thing about the A’s of the 80s or the Phillies of the late 2000s.
Define “pure.”
I always thought Don Mattingly was the best pure hitter in Baseball.
Wow. I take it stats aren’t your thing
So tell me why he got all those off the plate pitches called for strikes. Umpires gave him an extra 2 inches on both sides of the plate- everyone reading this would be a cy young pitcher too.
Ted Williams
A pitchers pitcher
John Olerud
It seemed Greg would rather the ball be put in play than have a K- less pitches. Pedro was good but Greg was the Master.
Pedro dominated in the hitter's league. Better ERA, WHIP facing DH instead of Pitcher. Pedro was way better but Maddux lasted way longer. Pedro was better in the post season too.
@@mr.satanserv6067 Pedro spent most of his career in the National League and was minutely better than Maddux in WHIP and ERA. Also the better hitters were in the NL in that era (or on his team in the case of Ramirez and Nomar at the time). Apart from A Rod, a few years of Griffey, I guess Jeter, Palmeiro, Edgar and maybe someone like Tejada it was all NL.
Sosa, Bonds, some years of Griffey, Sheffield, both Jones, Shawn Green, Mike Piazza, Edmonds, Pujols, Bagwell, Luis Gonzalez (i know a sketchy inclusion), Bobby Abreu, Brian Giles, Moises Alou, Larry Walker, Todd Helton, Scott Rolen, and more.
Yes, the AL had DH but it wasn't like the league was stacked with Edgar Martinez DH up and down that league. The vast majority of deadlier hitters were NL. Heck the NL had both Mark Grace and Tony Gwynn, the hits leaders during the 90s.
@@scottb3034 Every DH is better than a pitcher. Name a few guys but AL overall had higher hitter stats and worse pitcher stats. These are facts.
Pitcher 1
154 ERA+
whip 1.054
Pitcher 2
132 ERA+
whip 1.143
1 is better and 1 was better vs the better teams in the playoffs. 2 played longer.
@@mr.satanserv6067 Every DH is huh? I can guarantee not every DH is better than Babe Ruth, Shohei Ohtani, Brandon Backe, Ken Brett (George's brother), Carlos Zambrano, Zack Greinke, Mike Hampton was a notorious great hitter, Tom Glavine, Micah Owings, Brooks Kieschnick, Dontrelle Willis, etc. Imagine if they got 500 at-bats a season rather than 100. THey probably would have owned half the DH in regard to total production were that so.
But beyond that, there were some paltry DH players besides Thome and Edgar in the AL when Pedro was pitching in Boston.
The AL had higher overall hitter stats is great, it is also probably not a significant margin. The fact is, as I already pointed out, most of the absolute premier hitters were in the NL in this timeframe and the two best contact hitters for the era were career NL hitters...not to mention Colorado is an NL team.
Actually no. There are several issues with the comparison. Pedro had nowhere near the outings Maddux had in the postseason, making the playoffs 4 times before he was 37 years old. In 1999 he owned the over the hill and perpetually disappointing Cleveland team and then had an admittedly good performance against the Yanks in 1999....he then was absolute garbage for basically all of 2003 and 2004 aside from 1 start against the Cardinals. He then had one more good start the rest of his career with the 2009 Phillies. Pedro was either on fire or absolutely terrible in the playoffs. The times he was dominant were enough, thanks to the small sample size, to suppress his bad numbers.
Maddux meanwhile had his fair share of struggles mostly at the beginning and end of his career but in general was better over a decade of postseason pitching than pedro was. During a 1996 series against the Dodgers he posted the best whip of the two at .429. Pedro didn't achieve a sub .500 whip in any series, even that 1999 cleveland one.
For maddog having the "better team" i don't see pedro losing TWO GAMES vs another team despite posting a 1.38 ERA, a 1 WHIP and 2 TOTAL RUNS allowed in 13 innings. Pedro simply would have won one of those outings, yet Maddux lost BOTH of them which attributes to his 11-14 record...then again the Braves had so many errors that 5 unearned runs were allowed in those 2 starts, so odd for such a good team. Simply put the old Braves teams WEREN'T as good as Boston's teams. They were so good BECAUSE of Maddux (smoltz and Glavine) whereas the Red Sox could have gone without Pedro and still been pretty good unto themselves, in fact that's why they eventually won the world series, they learned to build up the team to not need Pedro so much. (Lowe became a good starter, acquired Schilling and Ortiz, traded for Manny, etc). Take Pedro and Greg off their teams and have those Braves face the Sox and I'd expect Boston to win 70% of those series because their team was better. Maddux had 4 series above 5 ERA in the playoffs his entire career of 23 series, Pedro had 3 in 10 playoff series. Can't find ERA+ numbers for the playoffs.
Oh and lastly, both pitchers have terrible marks in the LCS but maddux was flat out dominating in the WS and Pedro was simply good. WHIP and ERA massively favor Maddux vs Pedro, so that's a fallacy to state Pedro was better against better competition in the playoffs. Reflected perfectly by Maddux's 25% cWPA vs Pedro's .2%
I guess congrats to Pedro for padding his stats against the Harold Baines Cleveland team and the overmatched 2004 cardinals.
@@scottb3034 Babe Ruth been dead long time never faced Maddux or Pedro so I know you are wrong and ignore the rest. DH wasn't invented then if you study some baseball 101. We both agree Pedro was better by stats vs objectively undeniably better hitter's league so you can only name a few names many that are not relevant.
Check out the giant difference of all DH numbers vs all Pitcher's hitting numbers instead of select a couple names. You won't because you know I am correct so I don't know why you think you can fool me.
Check out Baines (85 AB that year but you call it his team LOL) vs Pedro and Maddux. Check out the Cards NL best OPS+, which would be 5th best in the AL. You made my points while not understanding any data behind it.
Rod Carew
Get Maddox on again…..
Kirby Puckett
Am I the only one who thinks that Dan's heart WASN'T in this interview?
You know
Easy Greg. Calm the hell down Greg.
Gwynn /thread
Hall of Fame pitcher that looks and talks like a life insurance agent.
Now do Cy Young winner Steve Stone.
Greg didn’t face a lot of AL hitters. Tony Gwynn and Ken Griffey Jr would be correct though.
Tony Gwynn is easily that guy
Perdro pedro on the juice
Barry bonds
Pete rose.