Bow Tuning with the Ranch Fairy
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2022
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I've been folling Troy since 2020. I reached out to him about building arrows for deer hunting. After his incite, guidance and knowledge. I tuned in my bow based off of his recommendations. I shoot a 700 grain arrow, single bevel broadhead (grizzly stick) and in 2021, I shot a buck at 41 yards. I thought I missed, I heard the thunk, but he stood there. Put his head down to eat again as I loaded up another arrow. Before I could draw back again, the buck took off unstable, ran 20-25yards from my impact shot before crashing. I doubled lunged and the deer had no clue. Thing that blew my mind was the arrow was burried about half way in the ground. (Pass through). Broke ribs too. Any hunter could agree that an ethical kill like that is their ultimate goal. Excited to tell Troy and the story, he responded " That ways easier" 🤣😎. Trust what he's teaching you, absorb it, practice it, most of all learn from it.
WWWWOW!! That's the kind of drop I'm looking for. Fall where they stand. Fast and 100% ethical. I cant imagine how that must've felt. Have you been bow hunting long? How long have you had a heavy arrow setup? If you don't mind, can you share your weight and draw etc.?
I've been bow hunting for about 5 years now, and I've only harvested ONE deer, a doe, which I was, and am still stoked about. I was able to put some really great meat in the freezer for the first time and watch my family create meals with a deer I harvested. What a really great feeling.
Short backstory; I was ground hunting on the west side of a shaded dirt mound on the second dawn of bow season last year (2021). I hit her in the spine ( STILL dont know how that happened :( ) But, my Rage2 and Bloodsport bent and lodged 45* inside the spine. I quietly sat there staring and excited (but disappointed in myself) wishing it would've been cleaner and a lot faster for her.
I currently shoot Rage 2's on a 28" 250 spine Bloodsport. I've never shot a fixed blade or heavy arrow setup, and I'm learning about it all now thanks to Ranch Fairy and The Hunting Public,. So I've listened and have heard him say with a 60lb pull and 30" draw length, he recommends three, 300 spine arrows and three, 340's (for bare shafting and narrowing down ) with 150 grain inserts and 300 grain broadheads. The problem is, I cant find (RIGHT hand) bevel Tuffhead Single Bevel broadheads though. They're always out of stock. I know you're supposed to match the fletching helical to the bevel, but I don't know if it matters if I'm a right handed shooter (most common). I've always used out of the box Bloodsport arrows and they have straight fletching. I wonder if it would matter if, I as a right handed shooter, can shoot a left helical (or straight) fletching with left beveled Single Bevel broadheads.
@@Echo_5_Charlie After emailing with Troy and taking into account his recommendations:
Draw weight-70Lbs (was 60Lbs)
Draw-29"
Arrow- Carbon express hunter maxima 350 spine (dual spine/forward weight tech) *unfortunately they discontinued this line so if I was to try another brand I would consider Blackeagle.
Insert: 1/2 out brass (cut to desired weight) I believe it was 200gr. With option to cut down to 50gr.
Broadhead-Grizzlystik Samurai, Massai
Nock- Nocturnal
Fletching- 3 Blazer
I use 3 Rivers archery supply. Troy has a Ranch Fairy kit on Sirius Archery.com (I believe it's still on there)
2020-2021 season I built my arrows. Im happy with the setup, so I am just fine tuning for this upcoming season.
Don't worry about your last harvest. Not every hunt goes the way you pictured it or wanted it to go. The important thing is that you are taking the time to correct it! As the ethical hunter you have become, you're willing to learn from mistakes. We all have them time to time. That's awesome that the family is involved as well!
As for you saying that you weren't sure what happened that caused the deer to be spined. I see your youtube name and will presume you're a gun guy. 😉 I am too and I was told to get a trigger release because it will be a natural feeling/motor memory action. Side note: I grew up shooting traditional bows. There was a similarity and was comfortable when I switched to compound years back but there was still that slight anticipation of preping for recoil it my head. I found and had to work on my forward grip. I was tweaking my wrist/grip and didn't even realize it. Sometimes you have to tune yourself to the bow and not the bow to you. There's no handicaps in this game.
I recently switched to a thumb release and I love it, personal preference. Shoulders not what it used to be and I was compensating by bringing my elbow outward. New release is comfortable for me and hand position keeps my elbow in.
1st five years of hunting can be tuff. Get those boots on the ground! Scout. Find those signs. Early season deer may not travel same as mid to late season. I use OxHunt, Huntstand, etc. Mark up on the maps locations, signs, bedding, etc. check wind directions day prior to going out. Public hunting channel gives good insite to scouting. Another is Jeff from Whitetail Habitat Solutions (especially if you own land).
Good luck with your build and this upcoming season!
@@erikr6691 Man thank you!! I appreciate you taking the time out to message back and share your setup. I can't thank you enough!
@@Echo_5_Charlie No problem👍😎
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I buried a cutthroat single bevel so deep in the ground after passing through an 8pt's shoulder at 33 yds that all my rage shooting friends had nightmares for the rest of deer season. I'm a believer!
:)) NICE!
I felt the tremors here !!! 😂
If you come from a traditional bow hunting background, tuning an arrow makes the most sense. I never really have a cut this arrow to x length because I use a single piece hybrid longbow that can't be changed so I have to change the arrow. Currently I have a Gt traditional 400 spine 28" .204 diameter shaft with 225 grain point and 75 grains stainless steel insert with a collar and a lighted nock on the back end 671 grains total weight 22.8 % foc, going 155 to 159 fps and I'm confident it will blow through a deer or an elk with no problem. Now I just have to do my part.
So everyone knows if you need help or have any questions what so ever about his system email him! These videos were made years ago and I just had a conversation with the man they call ranch fairy last week and it is 2023!!! NOONE else out on UA-cam comes close to the spot on just logical knowledge and actually answering and helping even asking questions to understand your question better!!! Thanks so much for the help troy!!! Will be posting later this year after I've dialed everything in!!! Good luck out there!!
Send me pictures this fall!
It was funny watching you and RocketMan try to explain this stuff to the 2 young guys on the podcast. They just couldn't wrap their minds around this simple concept.
LMAOSHIFOTTASALOTF (look it up) :))))))))) I wanted to take a second here, and pause the show. Ranch Fairy, you CRACK...ME...UP, BROTHER!! I'm a Mailman for the city I live in, and I'm a U.S. Marine OIF2-R2 Vet.. I have to make an effort to find anything to laugh at these days. True, heart-felt, uncontrollable laughter from humor and comedy are very far and very few between. I say that, to say this. I'm relaxing in the bed here before hitting the lights for the night, watching and listening to your most current videos. I'm always on the edge of my seat, because I KNOW I'm about to learn something very valuable that is going to make my shots as lethal as can be. And ALLLL OF A SUTTEN, we're in a dark garage together!!! LMBO :))))))) You are one of a kind, and PLEASE don't ever change. Based on decades of research, facts, and evidence, you inform, teach, entertain, and open our eyes all at the same time. You are the second-to-none Instructor, and you make killer videos!! There is NOBODY on youtube that can even come close to you. Thank you for being there for us, Ranch Fairy. Semper Fi!
Glad I can provide some fun and logic in these crazy times
Thank you for serving the greatest country on earth
@@RanchFairy I appreciate that, and it truly means a lot. Thank you
The bow does the same thing every time it’s released. All arrows aren’t the same. So each one should be tuned. You don’t do the same thing every time you shoot. So… tuned arrows with correct spine and high f.o.c recover quick from human error. Good logic Troy. Thanks for the info💪#bringmasculinityback
Bring masculinity back!!
but but but ... logic and science hurt the feelz of the speedy swizzle-sticks ;p
Ranch, started my morning watching this video. Thanks for forcing my coconut to think slightly different about arrows and tuning. And for making it fun.
Steve. Michigan
Remember if you’re being talked about usually means there’s some jealousy there! I highly enjoy your videos please keep them coming!
For those who remember back in the mid 1990's i had a bow called the Jennings unistar and i had aluminum arrows and shot a bear razor ( fixed blade with a flat tip.with a bleeder ) i still have the arrow and tip....i shot a bear between the eyes at about 15 yrds which dropped in his tracks . the arrow broke trying to remove it. A lot of the guys who had been hunting bears with a bow couldn't believe a bear could be killed like that..they were amazed and a 12 pt buck at 20 quartering to in the front shoulder. It dropped his 2 front shoulders and plowed 15 yrds and was done...the butcher cut into the shoulder and hit my broadhead ....the shoulder fell apart into 2 pieces...( it broke his band saw hitting the broadhead ).... I wouldn't want to try those shots with a mechanical...an untuned bow and untuned arrow will loose energy over a tuned bow and arrow...i like light fast arrows for 3D and field target...i like a bit of weight for hunting...keep preaching it brother..
RF is basically a dad to his subscribers. Thanks for the content and info!
I started watching to learn key information. I stay for the blunt truthful comedy. Love the Chanel man!
Retired Army Tanker. Keep preaching it RF. Heavier projectiles penetrate better. We adust the sights to align the point of aim to meet the point of impact. We adjust to match the ammunition, conditions, range and target. Ensuring smooth, reliable, effective and efficient operation, with your chosen projectile or ammunition, is "tuning" a weapon.
Great to hear! Thank you
Simple law of physics…energy cannot be created or destroyed…but it can be transferred. FOC is simply utilizing, to the greatest degree possible, the energy transferred into the arrow and it’s momentum, for the most optimal result.
When you compared reloading a rifle round to tuning the arrow , that was my light bulb moment of the day. Thanks for the great informative content. Started archery 2 years ago and been shooting "heavy " from day one because of my 32in draw.
Sometimes you just have no other choice but to shim your cam to the left or right. I've had a few bows like that now. The biggest give away is if your arrow flight on a bare shaft doesn't really change no matter what you do.. more than likely you need a twist or a shim/ top hat somewhere.. if you turn your nocks and move your rest back and forth.. still nothing really changes.. find a shop. Once it's spitting the arrow pretty much straight. Then you can fine tune with different points and nock tuning. If your strings stretched or your timing is out a heavier arrow won't fix that. Not in my 25 yrs of archery. I personally for white tail love 450 to 500 grain heads but that's me. Would rather see more guys shooting 600+ than 400-.. Great video Troy. Love the work your doing brother. Not all bows are created equal
Hey, Ranck Fairy, I once mentioned arrow FOC, never having heard of you, and the PRO shop owner went bezerk on some guy known as, guess who. Thanks for your willingness to stand in the line of fire. I'll listen because so many archery people get stuck in their thinking.
Nicely explained 🙂 showing the video with the arrow that had exploded the knuckle in the peg was brilliant. Thanks 👍👍🇺🇲👍🇬🇧
A huge thank you for all these archery videos, they have helped so much on my journey down the bowhunting rabbit hole. Forever learning and applying skills to get that ethical kill shot Love it keep it up!!
Over 60, Matthews no cam, 53lbs, 250 spine black eagle, 400 grain up front, total weight 690 grains. Yeah, the deer i shoot will be coming home with me.😁 Thank you Troy for all your help!!!!
I cannot stress enough about the importance of owning a bow press. Save your money and buy one because you will use it regularly. A bow with proper cam timing, cam lean, and having your arrow rest set to proper center shot is most important imo. You are making very good points when it comes to tuning your arrows. Keep up the good work informing people. They might not take your advise, but at least it engages there minds.
A point I would like to make: Tuning arrows to your bow is likely the most efficient way to do it, however, it is not the most cost-efficient. When I started down the heavy arrow rabbit hole, I could afford one build, so I built the heaviest arrow I could afford to build and shot it (670 grains, 20%foc). They didn't fly perfect at first, but I tuned my bow to them and now they fly better than any arrow I have ever shot and I have been thrilled with my results. My first time sighting them in after tuning, I robin hooded at 40 yards, and have gotten complete pass-throughs on all but one deer I shot with them. That one was buried directly in the center of the spine. I could see how, theoretically, building an arrow to your bow may grant you some slight performance increase, but I can't imagine that it would be a tremendous difference. Perhaps a certain test lab could gather and analyze some scientific data on the performance differences (if any) between tuning an arrow to your bow and tuning your bow to an arrow? ;)
So I started off shooting archery a couple years ago with a crossbow I got a torn rotator cup and bicep tendonitis. It wasn't until recently I found out that I could shoot your traditional compound bow with no problem. I chose a bow that I liked and an arrow that works amazing with said bow. Now at the same time I like to shoot so I have a reloading press and I reload my own ammo I believe highly in finding what works with your equipment then trying to find equipment that works with the projectile. It's not only easier to do but it's also more cost-effective. Not trying to put the cart before the horse you know so everybody that tries to find the equipment that works with the projectile are just crazy. It doesn't work like that and you have to find what works with the equipment not what works with the projectile. The first deer I successfully harvest was 40 yards crossbow I knew I could make the shot took the shot. Shortly after this amazing massive buck walked up 60 yards my scope on my crossbow did not go that far but thankfully to the range that I went to I've actually practiced at 60 yards so I knew where the holdover was and I took the shot. So with that I harvested two deer that day one being my first deer one being my first buck I've had people scrutinize me for that not only for the length of the shot but for the size of the buck. I don't hold anything against anybody that has their own opinions but when you're trying to put the cart before the horse this coming from a fairly new archery Hunter you kind of got your priorities mixed up. Now for note that was an 11-point buck that barely fit in the bed of my truck. My friend who allowed me to hunt his property what's surprised and shortly after revoked permission, because the buck he got that year and the buck I harvested made his look like a doe. I don't hold it against him and I was more than appreciative for him introducing me to hunting in general. I have since taken multiple people out for their first hunt. One of my friends was successful on his birthday with his first buck I actually didn't get anything for about a month and had more pleasure seeing him succeed and harvest the animal then if I would have myself.
Had an old bow that worked just fine with this method once I got it square and down the middle. Bought wife a brand new PSE Drive NXT. First thing I did was square it and get down the middle. Was a nightmare. Down the middle looked like string would derail at full draw. down the middle at full draw look like string would derail at brace. Did some internet research and learned about limb orientation. Called PSE asked how the limbs should be oriented on the bow. They asked for deflection numbers, so pressed bow while they were on the phone. 194,193, 189 and 186. PSE said the bow would be very difficult to tune with the spread in deflection numbers. Not only that, this left hand bow had the limbs oriented for right hand. PSE explained orientation took my address sent (free) 193, 192, 191 and 189. They even labeled them for left hand orientation. Reassembled, bow now works great. She started out with 100 gr insert 125 gr point, now up to 200 gr point.
We have only been involved with archery for about 1 1/2 years. My first trip to local pro shop convinced me that I needed to buy my own equipment. The pro shop 4 hours away is awesome, but too far. only been twice to purchase bows. They know I do my own work and have no problem with it. They just want happy customers.
FOC works for crossbows too. I shortened a crossbow bolt by 1 inch which greatly increases the spine on an arrow that is only 20 inches to begin with. It is then possible to shoot heavier points. I experimented with point weights from 150 up to 250 grains to increase my FOC and make heavier traditional broadheads fly straighter with greater accuracy and penetration. My FOC ranged from 13 to 19 percent. I was not looking for the heaviest arrow setup. I was looking for the arrow system that would FLY THE BEST. I achieved this by shooting arrows in pairs. One with a field point, and one with the same weight broadhead. The arrow pairs that hit the closes together, are the ones that are balanced for the best flight for your crossbow. Everything about each pair has to be the same. Same spine, same fletching, same length, same lighted nock, same weight point. For my particular set up, a 200 grain point, at 16 percent FOC won the competition. Total arrow weight is now 540 grains. There ya go...
Same thing here!! I’m now shooting a 530gr setup from an Excalibur crossbow!
It blows thru stuff like butter!!🤣😂
Love the commentary. Awesome stuff Ranch Fairy 🧚♀️
Great job Troy, I like the little questions that pop up in the lower corner. Keep up the great work.
Completely agree with running your arrows, high FOC, and heavy arrows. Personally I tune the arrow and the bow
I appreciate your content. It's made me a more knowledgeable, and confident hunter.
Troy is great! Love the videos. They are educational, entertaining, and enticing! Good stuff! Thanks Troy!!!
If I'm ever in the lone star again I'm taking this dude out for brisket
Awesome stuff. Troy has pulled me back into Bow hunting!
Love the content! Ordered the fairy kit last week and hoping to get a fresh set of apollos tuned in for this season so I can ditch the FMJs (local shop swore up and down they are the best deer killing arrow) and while they got me 4 deer last year not a single arrow survived the hunt. I didnt like them last year and when I went looking for answers I ended up here. Keep up the awesome work!
I have only been hunting for a few years now. Still trying to get my first bow kill, but thanks to you I have optimal setup for when it happens.
You are never going to convince everyone. So, don't let them get to you.
We're you successful last fall?
@@williamhawkins5544 yes! I ended up shooting a small buck.
Great stuff, Ashby did it all for us, love the vids and the logic,my 6 to700g setups fly wonderfully between 240 and 220 fps....with perfect bullet holes at 21'. I also thank the rocket man and big mike for all the great knowledge and experience they have contributed, love the radar/speed erosion videos, they sure give great support to mass and minimal loss. Keep it comming...😎
Thank you.
Ty for sharing your knowledge, I've learned alot
I’ve been down this path and spent several hundred dollars on test arrows. I ended up with about a 535-536 grain arrow with 23.8% foc single bevel broadhead. The arrow hits hard and penetrates. I clipped a twig and shot an 8 point through the neck just over the spine. I looked for probably 8 hours finding a spot of blood here and there. He lived I had him on camera 75yards from where I shot him 2 weeks later. I shot a doe with my crossbow same distance with a expandable twizzler stick perfect ❤ shot and she went maybe 50 yards spraying blood out both sides. I will continue shooting the arrows I came up with for my bow because I know it’s the smart and absolute best path to fallow but shot placement is critical in making a good clean kill.
I want to thank the Ranch 🧚♂️ for all the research he has put into arrows along with all the people that have helped him understand what makes an arrow penetrate the best
Absolutely fantastic!
I got a kit coming. Makes perfect sense to me. I’m on board of the revolution of slinging Adult Arrows 👍
Troy, thanks for all your help and guidance. I am done shooting the light stuff that worked great shooting foam targets, only to have the same set up total fail on live animals. Now my focus is on ethical hunting arrow first and hitting foam is a distance second, but still fun.
He’s a hundred percent right I’ve learned so much here my bow just wants to sell you rage and doesn’t want to hear anything I ask and what I’ve leaned with ranch fairy so I did it all my self tuning and am so happy I lessened to ranch fairy and when I went back to the bow shop to show them that my setup was way better than anything he had in the shop they just laughed and wouldn’t let me shoot lol thanks again Troy
That is so very true do to the fact no one's hands will grip it the same as the same goes with scopes that I've tried to explain for years cause no one focuses the same through a scope. All factors plays a part in the mechanicals of the equipment
When you said getting a arrow tuned to your bow is like reloading for a rifle the light bulb when off in my head . Bingo thats it
Yep - when you change the point it’s like changing the powder charge “dynamic spine”
A bit of a stretch - but if you’ve reloaded!
I've recently had a fairly popular bow shop, pretty much roll there eyes when they saw my arrow setup. Kept insisting it was my arrow causing issues. Shot his arrow...same thing. Now we are twisting yoke strings, checking timing etc. Point of the story is, the guy wasn't a believer in higher f.oc and was more or less trying to not fix my bow.
If you can hit where you want on a deer with a lethal arrow, then you can do the same on foam. Good on ya.
That’s why I work on my bow now. Got tired of the eye roll and snide comments. The shops are coming around though. Money talks and bow hunters are demanding better setups.
Great info again!
This makes so much sense and is a huge relief! I shoot what I can afford and that is a hand me down 1970s jennings bow, so now I just need to find what it likes to shoot! Pretty squared up I believe(shoots cheapo aluminum pretty well) I really like the idea of these single bevels from watching you and the hunting public and I'm sold after watching warb split the humerus head off that big Boi! Keep it up, loving it!
Your point of view makes a lot of sense to me. I first heard about high FOC and Ashby over on Clay Hayes' channel. He's a traditional/self bow shooter, so no center shot. Gotta make sure the arrow bends right and then stabilizes. I am applying the RF method (bareshaft, nock tune bareshaft) to my new Bear Whitetail Legend and found 2 setups that work. Not looking for crazy penetration because my primary target is turkey and pinning them down or making flight hard is desirable. Anywho, came across something interesting with dynamic spine. I found a 30", 400 spine with 125 tip and 21 gn standard insert 11-12 FOC and a 30", 300 spine with 150 tip and 50 gn brass insert 17-18 FOC that bareshafted great through paper at 10 meters. Both setups put fletched bullet holes through paper at 20 meters. Still work to be done but going great. For grins I went to 3 Rivers dynamic spine calculator that I use for my trade setups and decided to enter the compound arrow info to see what it calculated for them (used the closet arrow in the list that matched brand and total arrow weight). 400 spine setup was at like 73.1. I expected the 300 spine setup to have a similar dynamic spine calculated, but it was at 81.7. Putting a 175 on the 300 spine gave a dynamic spine of 75.3, much closer to the 400 spine dart, but I couldn't get that thing to fly for shirt. I expected the 175, 300 spine to fly similar to the 400 spine dart, but that was wrong. So I am not quite sure what this means (if anything), but it feels like something is there. I wish there was a better dynamic spine calculator for compound arrows. I would love for you to explore the dynamic spines of your arrow setups that tune well to a particular bow. Like how does the dynamic spine of a well tuned 550 gn arrow compare to a well tuned 650 gn compare to a tuned 750 etc....to a tuned 1000 gn arrow. I would think they should all be similar, but my limited results seem to counter that. The reason I think this is interesting and useful is that if you find one arrow setup that works but maybe want to change it up somehow (heavier head etc), it would be useful to be able to use the calculated dynamic spine as a guide for a place to start. Save some time. Maybe get some of your smart friends to help you do the calculations for your arrows and then tell us so can all get a little smarter.
*Edit: yes I know this is basically how spine charts work, but they usually only have 100 and 125 gns listed. I think a universal calculator would make building different arrow setups easier.
I actualy have the spine calculator from Carl Miller in its spreadsheet format. Its behind a bit on arrows .
I use it more for figuring foc and arrow weight.
When you state that "multiple combinations may work with a bow and the archer's shooting form", your statement was borne out by Aaron's success with both a 150 and 200 grain broadhead. His bow shot both well, but the heavier point flew even better. Some people are obsessed with speed and won't come around until "Outcome B" occurs. Thank you for your fine content.
I wish I'd have had this guy around 10 years ago (or anyone with this mindset) when I tried Trad. I never could get an arrow to tune properly. No one around understood arrow tuning and I didn't have the smarts to read enough about it, so I gave up as fast as I started. Fast forward 10 years, I find this smartass, loudmouth, semi-irritating Fairy guy on the Tube and I hear test kits... WTF is a test kit? Everyone knows to just pick an arrow and tune your bow to it. Then I started listening between all the laughing, wise cracks and name calling and Ding Ding Ding, the lightbulb goes off. He confirmed something I realized years ago when I switched back to aluminum arrows, heavy penetrates better and mechanicals suck when they hit bone. Now the FOC thing is planted firmly in my head and I'll be making a switch for the '23 season. Not only am I going to change my compound arrows, but I just finally got the Trad equipment dialed in. It's nice to finally realize I don't have to be a bowyer to make a truly wicked arrow that should kill nearly every time. Hell, with some of the knowledge I've gained, I might even try taking a deer with my 35# longbow.
Best logical archery channel ever....
Dig you content. Learning a lot. Thanks
Just finished building some 575gn arrows for this season. They fly great and hit like a hammer.
I’d rather shoot a perfectly in spec/straight/tuned bow and figure out what arrow weight my bow will bare shaft the best.
I drove 3 hours to a shop that would help me get a perfect arrow flight with a 650 grain arrow.
love your content man piss on the haters. facts hurt these soft under 30 woke folks. you have helped me with your own time and money sent me broadheads etc.. since following you I get pass throughs on all my deer so far. started with 650 grains went down to 550 cause it tuned just as good gave me speed as well 289 fps on my mathews v3x 29 at 29 inches 78 pounds. 550 is blowing through deer here in north Florida if it did not I would go back to 650. they cant tell me 650 is to much to shoot over 40 I killed one at 55 yards with 650 you just have to use the range finder. it was not my best shot but deer went 10 yards and died all because I had a plan b arrow thx to you...also thx to you I have my own bow shop do all my own work and my own arrows...God Bless brother...thx for your help
Lol I love how you called them woke. 👊🏼
Love your content. Send it!
love your youtube channel . i can tune my light target arrows and my 600 plus grain arrows to shoot out of the same bow without doing anything to my bow except change my sight tape.
Your description of the "Archery shop chad" is a great description of your boy Nate at Average Jack-off archery. And you also hit on all the Ashby study points he tried to disprove, you must have seen the video.🤣🤣🤣
I’ve heard things
It’s the same rhetoric about Ed as most people -
You’d have to actually study, how studies are done to do a complete “destruction” of ashby.
Here’s one for the masses and typewriter super heroes.
Shoot the 12 factor arrow against anything you want to suggest as the “Ed destroyer” arrow.
I'm still watching because I'm an old guy with 45 yrs of Archery experience. Lol
Great video, keep up good work I’m gonna get some 260 spine arrows see if I cannot get a little better flight out of my bow , 300 spine 300 grains up front , 29-1/4 inches in shaft length , think they are flexing still to much , you told me I was right on spine , meaning go stiffer
@RanchFairy Hi Troy, in a different video we were talking about anti-tank munitions, but something went wrong and my comments stopped showing up in the thread. So it made sense to me to post it here since the topic relates to tanks. I listed the masses and speeds of the projectiles you were asking about.
Three common projectiles for the Abrams tank in descending order of armor penetrating ability:
1) The stream of molten metal from the M380 HEAT round: ~1kg, 5100 m/s (Mach 15.1) Capable of penetrating advanced ablative tank armor
2) M829A3 Armor-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS): 4.88kg, 1575 m/s (Mach 4.6) Capable of penetrating heavy tank armor
3) M908 Obstacle Reduction (HE-OR): 11.4kg, 1400 m/s (Mach 4.1) Capable of penetrating concrete and light tank armor
[exact numbers may vary somewhat depending on the source]
The thing with penetrating metal armor is that, unlike Rockwell Hardness, the toughness rating of the metal is not a fixed parameter, but it varies depending on the speed at which it is impacted. At higher speeds, the metal is more brittle and less ductile. Especially important is the speed of the projectile relative to the speed of sound in the material. The speed of sound in steel is about Mach 15, so the impact force a projectile above that speed cannot spread out sideways through the armor, leading to highly brittle effects. With impacts in bone, the main effect is the bone flexing inward rather than the impact force spreading out sideways. So, you don't get the same quite the same benefit from a faster arrow the way you get better armor piercing results with a faster projectile. The mechanism by which a blunt projectile defeats metal tank armor is just not the same physical mechanism by which a sharp arrow cuts through animal hide and bone. Heavy arrows are good for cutting through hide and bone, fast projectiles are good for breaking through metal tank armor.
That is cool information and I will add it to my repertoire! You made me smarter!
The point I'm making with the tank projectiles is this: In the military (your comment and the details make this very clear) they test to make sure the projectile they are shooting.
Will in fact
Penetrate the enemies armor (that is known). You can't beat what you don't know about.
They don't DECIDE what will penetrate based on velocity and some hardness calculations, etc.
They shoot it against the intended armor so it reduces the opportunity for the other guy to shoot back. There's a bit more on the line....if the deer could shoot back.
In archery about 99% of the influencers and the pros just arbitraritly DECIDE that their arrow will penetrate in a high percentage of situations. Mostly based on speed.
They decide that their broadhead platform is "excellent" and "will produce an insane blood trail" and the list goes on. Their "test" and a their audience comes after 7 months of mental exercise and praying and maybe an ouija board......they plunk an elk or deer in a situation where they really want to succeed and then they find out.
Except for Ed Ashby. He did not. He did what the military does. He got the the target or a target much more robust than the intended target (buffalo for testing - most people shoot elk and deer) amass a bunch of results and filter for top performance.
Your information is fantastic and I am going to put it into my library of things to know. Thank you.
@@RanchFairy Well, speaking as a researcher myself, I wouldn't say that it would be practical for us to test our equipment quite to the level of rigor to which military technology is tested; but you are correct that we absolutely should test it to a level of rigor appropriate for our purposes. Ed's research did that. It was the right experimental design for the question he was asking, and it was the right question for the decision he was making. Today, there is some room for improvement in how we as bowhunters follow-up on Ed's research in doing our own second-generation research and testing. I'd be willing to share my input on that if you are willing to hear me out.
Not to mention how quiet your bow is when you shoot a 600 grain arrow, I’ve had people in the Archery shop say wow your bow is quiet but it’s just because I’m shooting a heavy arrow And my arrow is requiring all the energy to send it down range, they’re loud Boing sound their bow makes is wasted energy Because their twister stick would not handle the power
Tell those guys guys shooting light arrows to talk to some of us trad shooters……there is no tuning the bow……only the arrow! I shoot a 65# Super Kodiak…660gr arrow with 300gr TuffHeads up front. It’s a killing machine
I love the tank analogy - but have we really nailed down the 'requirements' for passthroughs on various animals? I imagine there's a point of diminishing returns and a way to optimize the system but I feel like that's still pretty nebulous. That's the problem I'd love to see you and Rocketman work on next. Holler at me if you need a stats guy to monkey around with data. Thanks for what you do!
Pretty much since the beginning of testing with lab radar on this channel 525gr to 650gr has been the sweet spot for most bows. I noticed early on that was the trend so if you have a long draw and speed you can shoot whatever you like but if you have a short draw and lighter poundage you'll want to be closer to 650gr to maximize penetration.
@@raybship1 That's what I've gathered. I switched from 480gn to 615gn for this season which isn't a big deal considering I'm shooting 70lbs @ 31", but I didn't have any issues before either. So now I'm wondering if I'm basically hunting whitetails with a .308 when a 7mm-08 or .243 would work just as well (if that makes sense).
That's what they're working on next, but it's very hard to say for sure. Basically Troy has a bunch of pig cadavers in his freezer and is going to core them to get an estimated density. This would be a longer process for other animals due to the nature of harvest and limits. It's also not super accurate as animals are different as are reactions. Size, muscle mass, muscle strength and contraction amount, bone density, fat content, etc change, as well as shot angle.
Sir, your going to be mad at me because I not only liked, but also subscribed. I also used your system to fling a heavy foc arrow with a ser razor through a bucks front leg bone plate thingy at twenty yards with my near twenty year old Switchback. Keep preaching it till they get it. It’s weird, I never had penetration issues using xx75’s and thunderheads back in the day. So much ke I lost them to trees and roots after full pass throughs. This penetration mess started with carbon and flappers. I would love to see a penetration test between my chuck adams super slam with xx75’s and a thunderhead, vs, a new speed bow with fast twizlers, and any broadhead on the market. That chuck adams at 80# had some serious ke. Maybe not an endo on an elephant, but would do some serious van damage.
Then a rail gun enters the chat and sends a suger cube through a tank.
In archery - yes! Thats all ya need
Once the Bow and Rest are squared up I find that the bow will shoot several bare shafts well.
I can always count on troy to male me laugh my ass off. Thank you for the videos troy i love watching
In the good old days, we tuned the arrow to the bow!!! Lol
I shoot trad. I pick my broadhead and overall arrow weight then tune my arrow to the bow. Tuning the arrow is about the only option I have to achieve the best arrow flight. Unlike compounds I can't adjust my rest or my cams. I can't adjust the bow weight up or down. My sight doesn't exist so there isn't any adjusting it either. All I can do is build my shafts and adjust the arrow nocks and shaft length until I achieve good bareshaft flight (testing every shaft). Then I finish up fletching the arrows.
My new bow tuning consists of center shot/yoke tuning to get bullet holes though paper, then its all arrow tuning after that so yeah, agreed.
😂 he's juss bashin the Elk shape guys in the air conditioned bow shop! 😂😂
He’s been mad ever since Dan put him on blast at his camp telling ppl they need to shoot instead of fucking with their set up like this
One factor people don’t like is a broad head that has lift. What if we could design one intentionally that would make arrow fly flatter and longer distances
After further thought that was a stupid idea. But the new swivel head idea is cool
Ranch Fairy! Your great. I have a legend Xr 70lb draw weight and I need a recommendation on a 250 or 300 spine arrow that's not crazy expensive that I can build into a single bevel high foc and another 550-600 grains any help?
LMAO, "No one can tell who I am."
Haha, I am dying. I love it! By the way, every single hat I buy starts out as a flat brim, but I would never wear it like that, lmao!
Troy, what a out the objection ED was shooting older cable drive bows or trad. Vs modern day compounds shooting super fast? Biggest objection I hear is trajectory.
My local bow shop (very nice wonderful people) tried to convince me that adult arrows were a ridiculous trend. “I’ve hunted all over the world and everything I’ve killed has been with a 100 grain broadhead. Why change something that works?” Based on his stories of shooting whitetail at 90 yards, I’m assuming he’s an amazing archer. However, I am not. I’d rather shoot an adult arrow to hedge my bet against my “buck fever.” The deer that I’ve shot prior with 100 grain Montecs, never went more than 75 yards and dropped. I think that has just been dumb luck. Lucky shots. I did not have opportunity to shoot a whitetail or elk last year to see the results. I hope to get them this year and necropsy.
This is correct - some people are more gifted than others
Me for instance. I’m pretty good when Bowhunting - but I can’t do repeatable shoot 3-D or spots.
I have been wanting to get into archery and bow hunting for some time, after watching this video and all of your other videos in regards to bow and arrow turning I am conflicted on if I should build my own arrows off the bat or should I have an archery shop set me up with the arrow weight I am looking for along with my first bow?
The latter - you just need to get shooting first - once you get the basics down
Then we can move you to adult level hunting arrows.
Trust me - there’s a lot to learn
And don’t mention me!! A lot of show think I’m crazy. Which is actually true
Hey..rf..do you think a two feather configuration would work or be worth trying
You should have a conversation with Chris Bee, it would be interesting!!!
The cool guys don’t talk to the fairy!!
He’s a weird dude - this creature
But I’d be up for it
Is ther any real downside to overspining? I shoot 65 ish pounds and 29" draw with 200 grain heads and standard insets.
Before i had 300 spine arrows but gott some 250 just to try, they fly like darts and nook tuning seems way less important. Tryed twisting it a bitt but no effect like with my 300 spine arrows.
Hey Troy I’m looking to go with a heavier spine but not sure with my set up I’m shooting a Hoyt carbon element g3 26” draw and 60lbs any help or guidance would be appreciated.
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As a traditional shooter it makes perfect sense to me to tune the arrow to the bow why do you want to take a bow and make it out of square, Out Of Tune, out of sync, whatever you call it so that you can shoot your favorite Arrow. The bow is going to shoot its best when it's completely timed when the string is in perfect alignment with the arrow rest those things matter why do we want to make the arrow point to the left or right just so we could shoot an arrow that doesn't belong on that bow
So would you agree it's more about tuning the bow to the archer, and then the arrow to the bow?
Honestly I believe it a little of both. Everyone is different as far as grip, release, etc. You do need your bow to be shooting straight. If you know it's "true" it gives you room to play with different spines, brands, fletchings, inserts etc...
Hope this makes sense
@@Heavy_Arrow312 100%. There are a lot of factors to consider when flinging arrows.
Where do I get that shirt at?
Just another good video the facts are just that facts and the truth hurts.
There are a lot of people in the archery world that would do well to take a class in Physical Science!!
And there we go
2:11 exactly what I did. And knock toning got the groups tighter!!! 647gn
Where do you get your T Shirts? FOC....
Sorry Troy I have been gone from your great work for a while, my son and I last year did everything you said to do and it worked , we both shoot 200 grain single bevel w/ 100 grain inserts , thanks so much it was fun going thru every step to make it work up to and including sharpening. My problem is I had shoulder surgery so I had to purchase a crossbow. I would like to know if you have any advice for me about Fear Of Change. & Adult Arrows-bolts. P.S loved the Tank Shit and all the other stuff I’m a big fan of Troy the Ranch Fairy 👍🏽😎
See dragging deer you tube channel he did a whole series on “ranch fairy crossbow” tuning
Thanks
Please cite a reference to who in the “industry” is saying the fastest arrows fix everything?
I'm just wandering what brand yur chewing
Hi Troy I’m 6’4” with a 30 inch draw length do you have any recommendations on a long bow or recurve? I’m thinking I need 70”
I haven’t kept up with the Trad world
But I do have a 70” longbow and it’s much easier to shoot than my shorter ones.
Do see my traditional bare shaft tuning video
Seems to work I'm 60 ish lb draw 29 inch 250 element tornado weighing 618 Grains shooting a bullet hole still have some that don't behave yet
So i have a question, i have been watching THP and have seen you in a couple of video's with them talking about arrows and tuning and why a heavy arrow is better than light arrow. You turned a light bulb on in my head and would like your opinion on something if i could since you seem to have what was once called common sense (not so common anymore) you mentioned having a lighter draw weight is less important than arrow weight. You have talked about a young lady who has a heavy arrow and a light draw weight and still passing threw a buffalo if i remember correctly. I stopped bow hunting a few years back due to injury on my shoulders and low back and have since started crossbow hunting (which i HATE) after watching you talk about a heavy arrow and a light draw i got to thinking... could i bow hunt again....hmmm? Here is my question do you think if a person could pull back a #55 draw weight with a heavy arrow that it would be effective enough to kill a whitetail? And if so could you recommend a arrow setup for me? I would really like to bow hunt again but i just cannot risk drawing a bow back with #70ish draw weight. But i feel like if i could lighten the weight i could still use a bow. Any input would be much appreciated. Thank You and God Bless
We have ladies pulling 40# at 25” draw killing all the big plains game in Africa.
Yep - All day long.
If speed mattered then Fred bear wouldn’t have ever killed anything with a stick bow.
Ok -
1. Go to the ranch fairy channel, playlists, see the project Dik Dik videos.
2. Email me - troy@ranchfairy.com - it’s easier to help you there if I need to send pictures or links
Elkshape struck a nerve with the ranch fairy.... there is alot more to tuning a setup than changing point weights and twisting nocks on arrows.... you can't base the whole ashby principles on science...Then turn around and throw the science / math out when it comes to tuning bows.... its a system that has to work together....
You are correct your bow must be tuned for sure you and the operator must be consistent in his or her shooting then if you choose to do so you can start your process of tuning your arrow.
I’ve never understood the point of arguing. I’m at a point in life when someone says the sky is purple and I’m great, you’re right…
Does Ashby make a wall poster with the rules?
Not yet
@@RanchFairy I need something to hang in my bow shop, that would be awesome if they did!
I love the guys that pick like 4 out of the 12 the factors that suit them and discount the rest. It’s like picking 15 letters out of the alphabet. “yeh? My lettes his spelled plente of wrds!” Okay, well what if you used all 26 letters instead and could spell them all better than a teenager with an iPhone? What’s wrong with optimal versus hopefully good enough?