Need to study over this particular part of the historic issue to refute intellectually the doubt imposed by few groups. Please provide me with reference of books and readings.Jazak ALLAHU khairan.
Begin with book of Moulana Moududi, khalafat e Rashida and Mouluqeeyat. Lectures of Moulana Ishaq on Karbala. Both of these are sunni figures and men of huge stature in the field of Islamic scholarship. This sheikh knowingly or unknowingly has concealed the true opinion of the 4 imams to which I have made a brief mention in my comment in this thread. Hope this helps. Feel free to message me with your findings and any questions. The reason why these people defend Mouviyeh is for the reason that if he is exposed then kingship can never be permitted in Islam. Islam advocates democracy and concensus through consultation to elect the leader.
Hold on a second what about the hadith of Ammar bin Yasir ra??? The ones calling to jahannum are gonna kill him! We all know Maula Ali ra was on haq but the other group?? Let’s be honest about this and the one who did martyr him and he reported to Muawiya ra and what was his reply according to bukhari?? YET…..Maula Ali ra forgave Ayesha siddiqa ra and Talha ra and Zubair ra BUT never forgave Muawiya ra?? Would be interesting to know the view
قال إمام أهل السنة أبو الحسن الأشعري رضي الله عنه: "إن مقاتلي علي ءاثمون لكنَّ ثلاثةً منهم مغفور لهم طلحة والزبير وعائشة رضي الله عنهم، أما البقيّة فيجوز أن يغفر الله لهم على قاعدة أهل السنة في جواز الغفران للمذنب ما لم يكفر". This means: "All those who fought Imam Aliy are sinful except for three that were forgiven: Talhah, az-Zubeir, and ^Aishah Radiallahu ^Anha. As for the rest it's possible that Allah would forgive them according to the rule of Ahlus-Sunnah that a sinful Muslim can be forgiven as long as he does not balspheme".
@@elprofesor8571 Brother muawiyah is a great sahabi, Allah be pleased with him. I have changed my views since 2 years ago and I will not utter a word that will make a sahabi look bad. The war between the Sahaba was terrible, may allah be pleased with them all. May Allah make us unite with them in paradise, my brother❤️
Brother you are jaahil. Sorry to say. But a guy who was cursed by the prophet sws and a guy who put his son wrongfully up for khalifah is not a guy we should cherish.
@@happyvirgil568 Huzoor said do not speak any ill about my sahaba.....hazrat muawiya is also razi allahu an....what ever the issue was its between Ali sher e khuda and him....we as ordinary people have got nothing to say in this.....when our sunni scholars have made it so clear about this issue....then do not apply your dumb knowledge.....
@@maskthug43 Absolutely right brother! Every Sahabi RaDiyAllahu Ta'ala Anh is star of guidance for us. We love them and respect them. They all are our leaders. Those who are saying ill about Sayyiduna Ameer Mu‘awiyah or any other Sahabi/Sahabiya is undoubtedly a dog of hell. If these ignorant people can't understand what Shaykh Ramadan al Bouti Rahimahullah said then how can we make them understand?! So let them get sunk in the filth! (Ridwanullaha Ta-ala Alaihim Ajmaeen)
Be honest my brothers. Does this make sense to you? Do you know how many muslims died in the WARS between Aisha and Ali and Muawiya and Ali can we really say this was ijtihad??
Yes, they were Mujhtahidun and both had pure intentions, there was no worldly intention or hate behind that... This was not "Baghawat E Inadi (Based on Hate) " it was actually "Baghawat E Ijhtehadi"... Pls study all the facts about these wars... And I have one question, please answer that... Hazrat Imam Hassan The Son or Hazrat Ali knew all that there was a war and many Great Personalities were Martyred then why he took Bay'ah on the hands of Hazrat Ameer Muavia and considered him as "Hakim E Waqt"? Imam Hassan Knows better than you, right!
@@ertugrulbae46 Yes Bay'ah, mentioned in both Sunni and Shia authentic books. Even the word Bay'ah is written in the text... Go study first!!! Ignorant people make statements without knowledge. You just did the same!
Why do you have to try to bring excuse for both? While if two Muslim countries fight or a group within the state rebels against the govt the one who has the most power labels the other terrorists! You scholars don't support the same ruling for the rebellion as you support Muawiya! Poor people are always the very victim of those different ijtihads 🤔 while the ruling families always escape and poor families lose their beloved ones and YOU scholars of religion want them to uphold to the very foundation of religion. Khuda, who is the most compassionate, will surely knows the best. May Khuda protects the poor from the tyrannicals in the regions.
Excellent point, so Moula Ali was right to pick up arms against this rebel. Sahi hadith exists that when Khalifa issues an order then it must be followed. Moula Ali was unanimously elected. The rebel becomes wajib e qatil unless he surrenders.
They were Mujhtahidun and both had pure intentions, there was no worldly intention or hate behind that... This was not "Baghawat E Inadi (Based on Hate) " it was actually "Baghawat E Ijhtehadi"... Pls study all the facts about these wars... And I have one question, please answer that... Hazrat Imam Hassan The Son or Hazrat Ali knew all that there was a war and many Great Personalities were Martyred then why he took Bay'ah on the hands of Hazrat Ameer Muavia and considered him as "Hakim E Waqt"? Imam Hassan Knows much better than you, right! Now What you are trying to say is that Hazrat Imam Hassan Took Bay'ah on the hands of a Terrorist (Ma'az ALLAH)!
Informative, maşallah
Subhan Allah ❤️
Nice explanation
Would you.say that all explanations of safeen are what was written or said in the past ?
Need to study over this particular part of the historic issue to refute intellectually the doubt imposed by few groups. Please provide me with reference of books and readings.Jazak ALLAHU khairan.
Begin with book of Moulana Moududi, khalafat e Rashida and Mouluqeeyat. Lectures of Moulana Ishaq on Karbala. Both of these are sunni figures and men of huge stature in the field of Islamic scholarship.
This sheikh knowingly or unknowingly has concealed the true opinion of the 4 imams to which I have made a brief mention in my comment in this thread. Hope this helps. Feel free to message me with your findings and any questions.
The reason why these people defend Mouviyeh is for the reason that if he is exposed then kingship can never be permitted in Islam. Islam advocates democracy and concensus through consultation to elect the leader.
@@zamuradmalik4234 both of them were ignorant they were not sunni... Don't try to fool people
@@zamuradmalik4234 Imam Hassan Accepted Ameer Muavia as his Hakim and Hakim for the rest of Ummah. You idiot ignorant!!!
@@AhmadAli-bi9kc lol your first accusation is dead in the water they was Sunni more like the ignorance is on you now be true don’t be blind
@@jakblack1744 lol, can you let me know what makes someone a sunni? What are the "Zaroriyat" of Ahl Us Sunnah?
Hold on a second what about the hadith of Ammar bin Yasir ra??? The ones calling to jahannum are gonna kill him! We all know Maula Ali ra was on haq but the other group?? Let’s be honest about this and the one who did martyr him and he reported to Muawiya ra and what was his reply according to bukhari??
YET…..Maula Ali ra forgave Ayesha siddiqa ra and Talha ra and Zubair ra BUT never forgave Muawiya ra??
Would be interesting to know the view
قال إمام أهل السنة أبو الحسن الأشعري رضي الله عنه:
"إن مقاتلي علي ءاثمون لكنَّ ثلاثةً منهم مغفور لهم طلحة والزبير وعائشة رضي الله عنهم،
أما البقيّة فيجوز أن يغفر الله لهم على قاعدة أهل السنة في جواز الغفران للمذنب ما لم يكفر".
This means: "All those who fought Imam Aliy are sinful except for three that were forgiven: Talhah, az-Zubeir, and ^Aishah Radiallahu ^Anha. As for the rest it's possible that Allah would forgive them according to the rule of Ahlus-Sunnah that a sinful Muslim can be forgiven as long as he does not balspheme".
Reference? You're telling me muawiyah ra is not forgiven
@@elprofesor8571 Brother muawiyah is a great sahabi, Allah be pleased with him.
I have changed my views since 2 years ago and I will not utter a word that will make a sahabi look bad.
The war between the Sahaba was terrible, may allah be pleased with them all. May Allah make us unite with them in paradise, my brother❤️
@@omark7164 mashallah great. Subhanallah, what led you to change your mind?
Great clip! Please add “Hazrat” with the name of Sayyiduna Ameer Mu‘awiyah RaDiyAllahu Ta'ala Anh 🌼🌹
Brother you are jaahil. Sorry to say. But a guy who was cursed by the prophet sws and a guy who put his son wrongfully up for khalifah is not a guy we should cherish.
@@happyvirgil568 Huzoor said do not speak any ill about my sahaba.....hazrat muawiya is also razi allahu an....what ever the issue was its between Ali sher e khuda and him....we as ordinary people have got nothing to say in this.....when our sunni scholars have made it so clear about this issue....then do not apply your dumb knowledge.....
What ameer? From what authority did he get that title from?
@@maskthug43 Absolutely right brother! Every Sahabi RaDiyAllahu Ta'ala Anh is star of guidance for us. We love them and respect them. They all are our leaders. Those who are saying ill about Sayyiduna Ameer Mu‘awiyah or any other Sahabi/Sahabiya is undoubtedly a dog of hell. If these ignorant people can't understand what Shaykh Ramadan al Bouti Rahimahullah said then how can we make them understand?! So let them get sunk in the filth! (Ridwanullaha Ta-ala Alaihim Ajmaeen)
@@ertugrulbae46 when imam hassan and imam Hussain did his bai'at for khilafat then he became ameer.. idiots don't even know a bit of islam
Be honest my brothers. Does this make sense to you? Do you know how many muslims died in the WARS between Aisha and Ali and Muawiya and Ali can we really say this was ijtihad??
Thank you for asking the right question
Yes
Yes, they were Mujhtahidun and both had pure intentions, there was no worldly intention or hate behind that... This was not "Baghawat E Inadi (Based on Hate) " it was actually "Baghawat E Ijhtehadi"... Pls study all the facts about these wars...
And I have one question, please answer that... Hazrat Imam Hassan The Son or Hazrat Ali knew all that there was a war and many Great Personalities were Martyred then why he took Bay'ah on the hands of Hazrat Ameer Muavia and considered him as "Hakim E Waqt"? Imam Hassan Knows better than you, right!
@@AhmadAli-bi9kc bay'ah..what a joke. It wasn't a bay'ah. It was a sulh - peace treaty..where you getting your propaganda from?
@@ertugrulbae46 Yes Bay'ah, mentioned in both Sunni and Shia authentic books. Even the word Bay'ah is written in the text... Go study first!!!
Ignorant people make statements without knowledge. You just did the same!
How is fair to say Ali doesn't have prof he's imam that the prof u want u need fighting him is huja prof so it's sin it's rebellion like they said
Imam Muawiyah Ra made sin for fighting Ali Ra but he made tawba
Let us know which sahih hadith Muawiya ra made tauba if he did make tauba maula Ali ra never forgave him
Why do you have to try to bring excuse for both?
While if two Muslim countries fight or a group within the state rebels against the govt the one who has the most power labels the other terrorists! You scholars don't support the same ruling for the rebellion as you support Muawiya! Poor people are always the very victim of those different ijtihads 🤔 while the ruling families always escape and poor families lose their beloved ones and YOU scholars of religion want them to uphold to the very foundation of religion.
Khuda, who is the most compassionate, will surely knows the best.
May Khuda protects the poor from the tyrannicals in the regions.
Excellent point, so Moula Ali was right to pick up arms against this rebel. Sahi hadith exists that when Khalifa issues an order then it must be followed. Moula Ali was unanimously elected. The rebel becomes wajib e qatil unless he surrenders.
They were Mujhtahidun and both had pure intentions, there was no worldly intention or hate behind that... This was not "Baghawat E Inadi (Based on Hate) " it was actually "Baghawat E Ijhtehadi"... Pls study all the facts about these wars...
And I have one question, please answer that... Hazrat Imam Hassan The Son or Hazrat Ali knew all that there was a war and many Great Personalities were Martyred then why he took Bay'ah on the hands of Hazrat Ameer Muavia and considered him as "Hakim E Waqt"? Imam Hassan Knows much better than you, right!
Now What you are trying to say is that Hazrat Imam Hassan Took Bay'ah on the hands of a Terrorist (Ma'az ALLAH)!
Amir Al Muminin M'uawiyah Was A Great Sahabi
How so?