A lot of weirdly aggressive comments here. People forget how hard it is to learn these lifts. The issue he's working on with his athlete is going from extension into flexion. There are plenty of issues with any beginner, but as this coach points out, you can't address 10 issues at the same time. Often resolving one issue can fix other problems. A great drill for this athlete would be a high pull from the power position + power clean from the power position + clean from the power position. If the athlete only has to focus on the extension and catch, they will be able to feel the power the legs create with the timing of the arms into the catch. Moving the bar from the floor to the hip causes a lot of timing and positional issues in beginners. Remove the need to pull from the floor and teach from the top down.
@@richardmurphy8350 on top of that this guy uses so many filler words it’s obnoxious. I found myself pissed. If he was teaching a class I’d leave. Usually when someone fills their vocabulary with that much junk they lack conviction in what they preach or experience. Either way credibility suffers.
That looks really helpful. I'm just trying to learn to power clean, and I can see I'm definitely not keeping my shoulders over the center of my feet. The squat clean could be useful in trying to get there.
He's probably a beginner tbh considering the issue they're trying to fix here, but I agree the timing and chronology of everything he's doing past the knee is off. In case he reads this and wants to know, the contact with the thigh is too soft and he starts pulling from his elbows when still at the knees (a better pulling sequence would be contact(+ triple extension) > traps > elbows, with the latter two being a "pull under the bar" cue). These also apply for the snatch.
100% for CrossFit. I'm sure the athlete in the video would appreciate your feedback. He's not a professional athlete. He's a dude trying to learn something new.
Did you guys not read the video title? “Fixing Muted Hips in the Power Clean” It was a beginner athlete demonstrating the movement (which I agree was not the best idea), so there were other issues beyond just the muted hip to be corrected, but that was outside the scope of this video. Also, it specifically said it was for the POWER clean.
I know it sounds good on paper to use a "new" lifter in your tutorial video to teach them, but there are so many other things wrong in his form that it would be better to have a expert lifter show perfect form except for the part that you're trying to fix, that they are doing wrong purposefully. You would then ask them to perform a perfect rep with those fixes to show viewers what a perfect rep would look like. Teaching people how to solve one problem but showing 10 more problems without addressing them is equal to crippling anyone who learns from these videos.
Whatever dude. I hate seeing “perfect moving” athletes in every video. Wanted this to be a real world experience of what it’s like to coach a normal athlete in a gym. I’d also add that it’s a good attribute of a coach to let some things go to focus on the main thing you are trying to fix. Focusing on 10 things at once is not ideal.
I’ll also add that a experienced lifter doing a bad rep never looks like what you see with the actual people you are trying to help. This was a video to help coaches more than help athletes.
@@warriorsc I have to agree - there may be more to fix here, but he looks closer to what I look like right now as I try to learn to power clean (I mean I've only tried it a few times).
Squat Depth for Oly is different than other strength sports like powerlifting. It’s where you are in the catch for a power clean, there is no such thing as a full depth squat or catch really.
@@warriorsc I get that, but I think we have different definitions of a muted hip. A muted hip, as I have been taught, means not getting full extension during the pull. Not the catch.
Searching for haters in the comment section of a UA-cam video is like searching for weed at a Jimmy Buffet concert 😂 Good stuff, don’t let the haters get you down 👍🏼
@@MrR0flLol we don’t simply call it a “Clean” in the case that a conditioning workout calls for cleans of any style, e.g. squat, power, muscle, or split. In this case, the term “clean” is an umbrella term, therefore “squat clean” prevents athletes from power or muscle cleaning. When specifically lifting weights outside of a conditioning context (a “heavy day” or skill session), CF coaches typically simply use “clean” or “snatch” to refer to the full movement.
I will never understand why crossfit uses the snatch and clean but just butcher it completely. I see crossfitters ripping their shoulders to bits daily trying to snatch. Just why? Surely there are other movements suitable for a WOD? You guys don't HAVE to do these. I don't get it.
Nothing rivals the Olympic lifts in developing speed, power, and explosiveness, and they are far more neurologically challenging than any other weightlifting movement. I would encourage you to read the older CrossFit Journal articles, specifically the ones titled “Foundations” for an answer to your question. As for your accusation that CrossFit “butchers” these movements, while that may happen with some inexperienced athletes, it’s certainly not the case with most. CrossFit’s charter of “mechanics, consistency, then intensity” provides a path for even the most novice participants to reap all the benefits of these movements, learning proper form at lighter loads and gradually increasing the weight as they get stronger and technically proficient. Also, CrossFit’s subject matter expert in Weightlifting, Mike Burgener, is a Level 5 Senior International Weightlifting coach who has trained athletes at the Olympic level, and his team teaches seminars all over the world for CrossFitters who want to refine their Olympic lifting. I just returned from one this past weekend, and it was an exceptional learning experience.
@@NotoriousNUGS Ripp's video is extremely informative and goes way more in depth... this video is just showing a good way to help beginners use their hips. They're both good; you don't need to be such an elitist.
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A lot of weirdly aggressive comments here. People forget how hard it is to learn these lifts. The issue he's working on with his athlete is going from extension into flexion. There are plenty of issues with any beginner, but as this coach points out, you can't address 10 issues at the same time. Often resolving one issue can fix other problems. A great drill for this athlete would be a high pull from the power position + power clean from the power position + clean from the power position. If the athlete only has to focus on the extension and catch, they will be able to feel the power the legs create with the timing of the arms into the catch. Moving the bar from the floor to the hip causes a lot of timing and positional issues in beginners. Remove the need to pull from the floor and teach from the top down.
I think the issue is the advice he is giving is quite different to powerlifting.
@@richardmurphy8350 on top of that this guy uses so many filler words it’s obnoxious. I found myself pissed.
If he was teaching a class I’d leave. Usually when someone fills their vocabulary with that much junk they lack conviction in what they preach or experience. Either way credibility suffers.
That looks really helpful. I'm just trying to learn to power clean, and I can see I'm definitely not keeping my shoulders over the center of my feet. The squat clean could be useful in trying to get there.
So good! I've been looking for a good way to teach this. Thank you and subbed :)
Just clicked to find out wtf 'muted hips' means (explanation is at 3:39).
What did I just watch? Is this for CrossFit? I hope this isn't for weight lifting because those are some egregious cleans
He's probably a beginner tbh considering the issue they're trying to fix here, but I agree the timing and chronology of everything he's doing past the knee is off.
In case he reads this and wants to know, the contact with the thigh is too soft and he starts pulling from his elbows when still at the knees (a better pulling sequence would be contact(+ triple extension) > traps > elbows, with the latter two being a "pull under the bar" cue). These also apply for the snatch.
@@atrumluminarium correct, not the issue we were addressing in the video tho. Main focus here was to retract the hips and get under the bar.
100% for CrossFit. I'm sure the athlete in the video would appreciate your feedback. He's not a professional athlete. He's a dude trying to learn something new.
Did you guys not read the video title? “Fixing Muted Hips in the Power Clean”
It was a beginner athlete demonstrating the movement (which I agree was not the best idea), so there were other issues beyond just the muted hip to be corrected, but that was outside the scope of this video. Also, it specifically said it was for the POWER clean.
Power cleans are catched slightly higher than for clean and jerks. Also the form improves with more weight.
Great explanation and drill. This is the most common fault I see, and floating bar, when observing others. I am going to try this with a friend.
I know it sounds good on paper to use a "new" lifter in your tutorial video to teach them, but there are so many other things wrong in his form that it would be better to have a expert lifter show perfect form except for the part that you're trying to fix, that they are doing wrong purposefully. You would then ask them to perform a perfect rep with those fixes to show viewers what a perfect rep would look like. Teaching people how to solve one problem but showing 10 more problems without addressing them is equal to crippling anyone who learns from these videos.
Agreed, I thought the same thing.
Whatever dude. I hate seeing “perfect moving” athletes in every video. Wanted this to be a real world experience of what it’s like to coach a normal athlete in a gym.
I’d also add that it’s a good attribute of a coach to let some things go to focus on the main thing you are trying to fix. Focusing on 10 things at once is not ideal.
I’ll also add that a experienced lifter doing a bad rep never looks like what you see with the actual people you are trying to help.
This was a video to help coaches more than help athletes.
@@warriorsc I have to agree - there may be more to fix here, but he looks closer to what I look like right now as I try to learn to power clean (I mean I've only tried it a few times).
Full depth?? 🤔
for his mobility
Squat Depth for Oly is different than other strength sports like powerlifting. It’s where you are in the catch for a power clean, there is no such thing as a full depth squat or catch really.
very interesting exercise (stand/squats) at the end! (y)
Its a fun drill. Kinda gamified but it helps people get the idea that the foot work doesn't change.
Before fixing the catch, fix the athletes’ pull from the floor. Almost zero extension from the lower half. Especially his hips!
Thanks Jonathan! The point of this video was to demonstrate a muted hip so focusing on other things wouldn't really make sense would it?
@@warriorsc I get that, but I think we have different definitions of a muted hip. A muted hip, as I have been taught, means not getting full extension during the pull. Not the catch.
@@jonathanbrillo5557 that would be incorrect. That would be lack of hip extension.
Nothing is good as a nice snatch...😉
Searching for haters in the comment section of a UA-cam video is like searching for weed at a Jimmy Buffet concert 😂
Good stuff, don’t let the haters get you down 👍🏼
Squat Clean? Is that a new term for a clean?
it's a crossfit term. Lord knows why they dont just call it a 'clean' still. Same with the snatch, they call it "squat snatch"
@@MrR0flLol we don’t simply call it a “Clean” in the case that a conditioning workout calls for cleans of any style, e.g. squat, power, muscle, or split. In this case, the term “clean” is an umbrella term, therefore “squat clean” prevents athletes from power or muscle cleaning.
When specifically lifting weights outside of a conditioning context (a “heavy day” or skill session), CF coaches typically simply use “clean” or “snatch” to refer to the full movement.
I will never understand why crossfit uses the snatch and clean but just butcher it completely. I see crossfitters ripping their shoulders to bits daily trying to snatch. Just why? Surely there are other movements suitable for a WOD? You guys don't HAVE to do these. I don't get it.
This is something that I really can't understand too. The difference in technique between crossfiters and weightlifters is gigantic
Nothing rivals the Olympic lifts in developing speed, power, and explosiveness, and they are far more neurologically challenging than any other weightlifting movement. I would encourage you to read the older CrossFit Journal articles, specifically the ones titled “Foundations” for an answer to your question.
As for your accusation that CrossFit “butchers” these movements, while that may happen with some inexperienced athletes, it’s certainly not the case with most. CrossFit’s charter of “mechanics, consistency, then intensity” provides a path for even the most novice participants to reap all the benefits of these movements, learning proper form at lighter loads and gradually increasing the weight as they get stronger and technically proficient. Also, CrossFit’s subject matter expert in Weightlifting, Mike Burgener, is a Level 5 Senior International Weightlifting coach who has trained athletes at the Olympic level, and his team teaches seminars all over the world for CrossFitters who want to refine their Olympic lifting. I just returned from one this past weekend, and it was an exceptional learning experience.
WTF does this have to do with the video?
I see that Chinese pull there! 😆 nah seriously pulling it to the hip is impressive.
Lol
What's so funny
Mark Rippetoe does not approve
why
@@karansoam watch his video on the power clean then come back and watch this.
@@NotoriousNUGS Ripp's video is extremely informative and goes way more in depth... this video is just showing a good way to help beginners use their hips. They're both good; you don't need to be such an elitist.
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Hell yeah brother