Poor Sebastian. You can feel his frustration for his whole storyline. I hated his uncle for saying there is absolutely NOTHING you can do. He didn't try to understand or tell Sebastian he should give up Dark Magic but not giving up on helping Anne. He was taking away hope with every word he said.
I don't feel bad about Sébastien defeating his uncle. That man was a jerk for not doing everything possible to try to save Sébastien's sister whereas Sébastien was even if it meant using unforgivable magic in an attempt to save her
I think people give Sebastian a little too much slack if I’m honest. I understand why he does what he feels he needs to do, but I can’t agree that Sebastian does not take accountability for what he’s done. What’s worst is he blames others for the measures he takes, you don’t kill someone and then blame them for killing them. And we have to remember Sebastian’s need to gain power to save his sister inevitably pushed her away and still refuses to see that.
Interesting. What Isidora did is the opposite of what dementor always do to people, but the destination is not different. Both suffering and happiness are part of someone soul. Took away their emotion, although it was the pain, is not different form killing them slowly.
I will say there is one difference: The dementors actually feed off that happiness, and eventually their soul, leaving the body nothing more then an empty shell. Whereas with Isidora, he couldn't exactly feed on it, and if left uncontained, could be problematic. But in saying that, I didn't actually notice the similarities to begin with, so good spot.
This is just another case of the mentor not explaining as much as they should while warning the pupil to not do this... If the jedi explained properly to anakin he would not have fallen to the darkside. If they had explained properly the reason not to take the grail from the tomb it would not have been swallowed by the earth...
@azurie580 right, because telling someone "a is bad" without properly explaining the consequence is the right thing to do, instead of a fair warning you just planted curiosity in someone, always expect someone to be curious about the "a is bad" thing and EXPLAIN perfectly what exactly will happen if they fuck up badly. Anakin wasn't evil, he was an emotional mess that grew up with people that didn't bother to understand his situation. The world isn't just divided into good and evil, Jedi and Sith, Death Eaters and Aurors, expecting it to be Black and White is entirely stupid.
I mean, the mentors and their trials are rather BS to be honest. If you want to make sure that "very powerful magic" doesn't get into the wrong hands, you should test the _character_ and _moral integrity_ of a person. However, all the trials actually test for is - (optionally) person wants power (by being motivated enough to continue despite it being very dangerous due to the guardians) - person can think somewhat logically (puzzles) - person can destroy whatever is in their way (guardians, more guardians, proverbial death, big beast). Those are sht trials :D
Interesting how we see in Isidora's memory that she manipulated the part where her father thanks her... in no other memory that glitch appears and it can only mean one thing. Isidora didn't want whoever was meant to see this memory to see her father's REAL reaction...
I always find it hilarious when the goblins and enemy wizards act so outraged and horrified when you use the Unforgiveable Curses on them. One encounter that made me burst out laughing was when a combatant said I had a "reputation" for using Dark Magic. Like, so you're fine with trying to shank me to death, set me on fire, in the animagus' case claw me to death, etc. The goblins seem pretty fine with killing. But when I use dark magic, suddenly that's too far?
I wonder if that specific line of reputation only pops up if you use the unforgivables, i got it too after spamming the hell out of Cruzio on anything that moved
It's interesting how Avade Kedavra is an unforgiveable curse while the main character just instantly kills enemies with ancient magic, blowing them up instantly.
Isidora, taking away her father's pain, made man empty. It didn't just take away his pain. It took away all the emotion. Blinded by her desire to solve the problem, she didn't realize that she was removing all emotion from her father... Sebastian with the relic I am convinced would have done the same thing to his sister, keeping her catatonic... he too blinded by wanting to undo the curse cast on his sister. Sebastian is my favorite teammate, but his choices are questionable...
@@BP-xv7fj Spoilers: No, not at the end, when you do the last keepers test. Before the four keepers face Isidora, there is a scene where one of them enters Isidora's house. Isidora's father doesn't answer, doesn't turn around and his eyes are empty. Terrified, the man runs to the first keeper he meets during the story to tell him what he has seen. So who is wrong is you. Isidora's father is therefore catatonic.
Totally agree with this, especially about Sebastian. He’s so focused on curing his sister I feel he did not take into account his sister’s wishes and what she wants for herself and that was eerily similar to Isidora, who was trying so hard to save her father despite the fact that the one who had the right to decide to save himself was her father.
@@iamalbertwesker2 Yes, it's true. I think, theoretically, that the magic they use acts differently from the one Isidora was using though. It's like they take the soul out of the body leaving only a small part of it, at least that's what I've heard in some videos. Isidora used ancient magic to "take away" her father's pain, eventually taking away all emotion... not just the pain.
In a world where you can yank your memories out to view them later I refuse to believe you can’t take away someone’s pain and leave the rest of their emotions
@@abunknown234t7 I personally saw it that all people have is emotional space - think of it as 1 TB SSD space worth for emotions and all Isiodora did was take emotional space of the person that was currently occupied by pain leaving the SSD only with 900 GB where the body still kept pain due to painful memories so she took again to 720 GB then 600 GB then 500 etc. until she just took the entire SSD away and finally the body didnt have anywhere to store its pain from all his memories BUT it had no memory space period for emotions and he ended up like a zombie. Maybe she needed to cast obliviate AND take away his pain. However, I wouldnt do it because I myself has really regenerating mind that erases a lot of my mistakes from the past and I recover from setbacks or anger very quickly AND while it seems nice, due to that I sometimes repeat mistakes or dont full learn from them and have to make them multiple times to figure it out. Pain is a pathway to learning and other very useful things and without pain you take away a lot of abilities that improve your life.
"Just because you can destroy the darkness, doesn't mean you should." Light can't exist without shadow. If you lose the concept of pain, then comfort means basically nothing.
At some other time in the game, it was stated that in that time period it wasn't considered an unforgivable yet. But yeah I hate San Bakar especially with how he could have used any other spell and also how his portrait acts so superior and uncaring about others
Even after his sister told him to stop and she didn't want to be cured by dark magic? He ignored everyone around him, committed murder and estranged himself from all his family and friends because his arrogance and lust for power blinded him.
This goes to Isidora... Wasn't it easier to use Obliviate and make it so that her brother had never existed in her father's memory? Just like Hermione did with her parents to make them forget about her. So he would no longer suffer for something that he does not remember and that never existed
@@mankewoopwoopNah it did exist at the time, Professor Ronen makes a joke when you first meet him that everyone must have been casting Obliviate on one another all summer cause they couldn't answer his question about conjuration differences in class. I think maybe the writer's may have hiccupped 😂 cause yeah using Obliviate woulda probably been waaay easier.
Maybe she didn't want to take the chance that one day he might remember (as the spell doesn't erase the memory, only the ability to recall it), or that even with the memory "gone" he would still feel the remnants of pain from it. Tbh I think it's just fair to assume that her brother's death broke something in her, and growing up around her father who was in constant agony and misery just made her obsessed with the idea of eliminating pain altogether. Can't expect her to think logically after that
I wish they could have clarified if taking away painful feelings was independent from taking away every feeling. Like Isadora did with her father. It looks like she took his current pain away first, but when he started developing painful feelings again, she just decided to take it all away. I just don't know if that's the case or if all other feelings eventually die after pain is removed.
What most likely occured is slow mental decay. Took pain away, but other feelings slowly disappeared as well due to what would normally cause pain slowly grew each time something hurtful occured. So joy may have been at maximum before, but each time something painful happened, the maximum slowly got smaller til no joy can occur.
it's like they say in the game. just because you can take away the darkness doesnt mean you should as without darkness there is no light and vice versa. it was a development of taking his pain away.
No, she took away his pain, which was discovered as taking away ALL his emotions. There was no secondary action, just a delayed outcome. She basically made him a zombie, slowly.
I don't know there are still plenty of legal spells like bombarda or fire magic that will definitely kill a person. Pushing them over a cliff or burning them alive is going to have the same result as avada kedavra.
@@serronserron1320 one time I turned someone into a red barrel but they were the last enemy, so I got creative, used Wingardium Leviosa, moved it over a cliff and let go. I think the reason the Unforgivable are forbidden is because there is no way to block them (except dodging or some hard cover). And you need to want it.
I find it funny that NPCs will comment on you using Unforgivable Curses against them or their comrades, but no one bats an eye when you use Ancient Magic to slam someone into the ground so hard, they most likely have brain damage.
Isidora was blinded by taking away pain by using the ancient magic. Yeah taking away pain is kind of… unique but then you’d be catatonic like a walking corpse.
Someone said "She couldn't have used Obliviate? Just like Hermione did to make her parents forget her?" Then that would be a second spell that we cannot learn in the game, the first being reducto.
Could be very much true , both seem to have access to ancient magic 🪄 and both are extremely powerful with both the light and dark side of magic 🪄. When Isidora fights the teachers , notice how she has her hand ✋, similar to the way voldermort holds his hand when he duels . The MC more then likely has surpassed her in terms of raw power , I did read recently that the upcoming sequel will take place one year after this game and our Mac will be a 6 year student .
I really don’t like these flashbacks. They fail to clarify why Isadora is wrong, or why the other professors have a problem. I get the later problems (using the power on people without permission, draining her father of all emotion, using the power on students), but the root issue was never addressed. They needed a scene, after she takes her fathers pain, where they all sit in a room and discuss what happened. I want to hear the differing perspectives and reasons for why some may be hesitant or supportive of Isadora’s actions. Then we can have following scenes where Isadora goes too far and the professor(s) that previously supported her now switch sides. But we don’t get that. Instead Isadora is made out to be wrong from the start. It was because of this lack of depth that I chose to use the power. The Professors were acting like paranoid nay-sayers, and even though Isadora crossed the line in a few areas, she didn’t come off as totally unreasonable.
they clarified enough, she was dabbling with the unknown. And before considering the long-term implications of her powers, she mass tranquilized students. As can be seen from the memory, Isidora's father basically became an emotionless husk. Something new and experimental must be tested both short and long-term before it can be used for masses. And besides, seeing her snort the 'emotion magic' like a crak addict would send anybody's alarm bells off.
Poor Sebastian being scorned for using an unforgivable spell to save his sister...while the protagonist can commit genocide every day with AvadaKedavra and still be hailed as a hero. 👍💩10/10 game of the year.
Probably cuz the developers didn't want to put a limit on what you can do since if they added severe consequences then the player would have to be in some form of prison and that would mean building an entire alternate story of having to break outta jail and probably a full villain arc of taking over the school and probably havada kadabraing all the teachers and the headmaster.
@@zuziiice8907 An alternative line like this would be fantastic and would solve the lack of consequences...but unfortunately that's not the case, in an attempt not to limit players, they've done just that, limited our options.
It's a good game that wanted to tell a linear story and that's it, it's not a Harry Potter rpg like it wants to be sold, it just has RPG elements. And it's okay if we see it as a linear game without much depth.
@@zuziiice8907 there's a mod for this already lol. If you use the unforgiveables in front of people you get a bounty, and everyone attacks you on sight. If you lose you get sent to Azkaban and the game ends there. It's way more realistic lol
Unpopular Opinion: Solomon was a tool but he did not deserve to die, he was an ex-auror who knows first hand what happens when you start using dark magic. He did not want Sebastian to fall
eh and he was ok with repeatedly telling a young boy that his beloved sister was going to suffer for the rest of her life. his death was completely ok.
I think most people are really looking at this from the kids' point of view, instead of the adult one. Yes, Solomon was stern, even harsh, but you can see clearly that he was trying to both protect his niece and Sebastian from dark magic. He made the mistake of not reaching out better to Sebastian, but he did what he could to discipline him in his view, from the clear off limits magic that Sebastian obsession was getting him into. Even Ominus, who has horrible relatives, knew better than anyone that Sebastian's good intentions but lack of accountability was gonna end badly.
@@pikaswole When someone has a terminal illness with no cure - the worst thing you can do for that person is to give them false hope. He wasn't cruel, he was honest. He basically told Sebastian that he shouldn't waste his time chasing on the non-existent cure, but instead be with her while he has that opportunity. Be there, to show her love and support she needs. But that little idiot neglected Anne for the whole year, barely contacting with her and stating that "she's changed", ignoring her and his best friend who were trying to knock some sense into him. Sebastian is the obvious evil here. A lier, a manipulator, a murderer
Honestly I was sad that Sebastian killed Solomon. I think he honestly had the best intentions. Even when he was taking hits from Sebastian, he was telling him to see sense. It’s just that he never communicated with Sebastian properly (ie, with more understanding and compassion) and was always scolding him (telling him there’s no cure that is that, etc.). That definitely contributed to Sebastian going down the dark path.
@@Wessex90 Sebastian is literally one of the worst, most twisted characters in game..A manipulative psycho who does not listen to his closest friends, his uncle and his own sister... Solomon did nothing wrong - simply stated the truth. There is no cure and there's no point in finding one
Yeah, just a gameplay mechanic. Happened in the movies too ofc (e.g. Dumbledore vs Voldemort in OotP, Dumbledore vs Grindelwald in FB) but that was just because crossing beams always has and always will look cool on the big screen lol The "basic cast" in this game is also just a gameplay mechanic because in canon every spell someone uses is an actual spell, not just some kind of magic projectile
Yeah massive hypocrite. "We shouldn't use dark magic but hold on let me just use dark magic" Turns out it isn't really the magic itself that's bad it's how you use it. Something the keepers and Solomon can't seem to grasp.
@@cadkls everything in life is relative to the situation/context. Yes you can say he was a hypocrite but care to remember the big blob of bs Isidora took from the students already? That woman does not have the responsibility to wield such power. And from the looks of things San Bakar did not go become like her in anyway. Its the same as how police carry guns/have power-authority. Now right now look whats happening in US. Imagine if Guns is that Ancient Magic. Even if most if the population are ‘good’ policemen, small number of shitty tarnishes that
@@klamity2514 I'm sorry but if context matters then doest that derail their whole argument and the argument of everyone else trying to shit on dark magic? Lmao perfect response. Not sure the police analogy works. Most of them are shitty and corrupt and they abuse their power. But it isn't the power itself that is bad. Power is a tool, nothing more. Do you not think that over time with enough study and practice, the keepers could have perfected that magic and used it to do good? Neither were correct, isidora went too far, but the keepers thought nah let's do literally nothing with this power and make sure nobody else can. Who knows what else it could have been capable of? But the selfishness and greed of the keepers, along with their smug arrogance to decide who gets to use this power that isnt theirs to control is not rational or correct. Too much pain is unhealthy and unnatural, they should have worked together to help reduce pain, not eliminate altogether or to let it fester to the point that people become depressed and never speak, letting people suffer is cruel and evil.
The game clearly shows that Sebastian is on a dark path that leads to destruction and suffering. What he does is seriously wrong, even before he killed his uncle. I liked him somewhat, but after the murder on his own uncle I turned him in. Ominous is a much better friend in every way, yet Sebastian didn't see it nor did he listen to him.
I love how when Bakar sees Isadora about to take down Percival and Rookwood, he immediatly doesnt F# around and immediatly goes to the most effective method to ending the madness. You can see it on his face after that he questions on what has he done and even the looks of his comrades faces are questioning whether Bakar went too far too.
Who gets the right to decide if certain magic is dark but other magic is fine? All Magic is the same. Therefore I’m gonna use whatever spells are available to me including unforgivables.
Magic can Change your Soul,so i guess dark Magic can Twist it and hurt you in the Long run...but thats also why you cant blame Sebastian really, He simply didnt know that,to him all Magic is the Same as well i guess...Just a Tool
@@jlinus7251 And most of the time - that's what you should do. Just accept that there is no cure and that you should focus on the closure with your family instead. You should make the most of it while you can instead of chasing after hope and neglecting the time you have
@@TheBlackIdentety I did gave up on my so called friend who was a selfish jerk the entire time. Who ignored me for several in-game days for mentioning a goblin. Who had seemingly no problem with torturing me. Who was eager to follow the footsteps of one this game's main antagonists..who ignored the warnings of his most trustful friends, who neglected and victim-blamed his own sister and was about to justify necromancy. Who killed his Auror uncle with an uforgivable curse. How can someone sympathize with an obvious villain? He never cared for Anne. He always ignored her constant demands for him to stop this madness and just spend time with them. He deserved to rot in Azkaban
@@TheBlackIdentety Btw, she suffered WAY more from her brother becoming a psycho-necromancer and killing their only parental figure whom she loved. Not just physical suffering, but mental as well. All thanks to her terrible brother who stepped out of line in his search for a cure that does not exist
You might be surprised. There are fields in science that are equivalent in nature to ancient magic. Messing with human emotions, for example, is a very real thing that’s better off sealed for good.
@@notdesmondesmond Yeah okay but thats just how isidora is using it. What did the other keeper use ancient magic for, what would the protagonist use it for. Its somewhat of an absurd thing to go through all the trials and be told where its all sitting and the goal is to just keep it quiet. Why not just seal off the ancient magic, have no trials, don't leave any clues or tantalizing mysteries and just hope it stays buried. I certainly wouldn't leave a map to it.
@@alanmark8452 If that's the route of logic that you want to go, then you are going to hate the real world then.... There is a TON of scientific progress that is made and then never shown the light of day to the overall public due to the danger that comes with it. The entire point of the story is that the "keepers" were the last to utilize the ancient magic, due to Rackham and Isidora being the only two of the time that could see and draw it out. The cores of magic were effectively dirty bombs that could not be safely destroyed without causing the magic within to expel wildly. The point of the story and the "trials" was that they figured eventually someone else that could see the traces of magic would appear. Said person would inevitably discover the traces left behind with or without their help. Their goal was to guide the process of discovery of said individual in hopes to convince said person to not be tempted to be dumb and open the box(es) out of greed. Their goal was to, you know, prevent the next person to stumble on it from immediately pulling a Ranrok.
@@cerebrumexcrement It's almost like you didn't pay attention to ANY of the story, because the fact that they couldn't safely destroy the reservoirs was kinda repeatedly emphasized and the keepers acknowledge that the only two options left are to either open them and let pandora's box of magic loose, or attempt to keep the magic contained from corrupting everyone in the valley.
Summing up the other responses and my own observations, I found that the truth of the world may be that only bad people are in power. Games have already alerted us, consciously or unconsciously, in some places, For example, the kind and friendly professors at Hogwarts can only teach the students as ordinary teachers, while Professor Black, who has a character like a rascal and is feared by all the students and teachers, can become headmaster and lead the school and ban Quidditch, which is really a good guy being bullied. And in retrospect, even though the guardians acted in self-defense, the four guardians did not hesitate to kill the woman with avdcadavor. No one really said a word about it. And then it's illegal for the wizarding community to teach unforgivable curses to ordinary people, so if you use them, you send them to Azkaban, fine. The stories are decent. The bad guys are the ones that die. I'm a good person, and that's why I'm telling you this...
Avada Kedavra as been legal before the Ministry of Magic banned the 3 curses, Crucio, Impero and Avada in the early 1700, we don't know the date of Isidora's death but we can assume since no one batted an eye, it wasn't illegal back then.
Actually, not sending him there is making him suffer more. Going to Azkaban is just turning him into an empty shell. Not making him go there will always be concious of his uncle's death by himself and how his own sister hates him, plus, he will have to work hard to recover Omini's friendship. So yes... Is better not to turn him.
@@VzoZel well he still has us as a friend and don't think on any playthrough i will ever turn him in he is by far my favourite character but was shocked he killed his uncle even though his uncle was horrible
If the keepers came to the hamlet sooner then maybe isidora’s brother wouldn’t of died and she wouldn’t of took advantage of ancient magic by removing human emotion to gain power.I don’t understand why she told a goblin and why she didn’t think he wouldnt write journals
Honestly I'm on Isodora's side. I cried out NOOOOO when she got struck by the killing curse. She may have gone too far with her dad but there's no reason she couldn't have honed her craft to perfection. That's why my character chose to harness the ancient magic for the sake of good. It's his power now. And the Keepers can just plain suck it!
@Demogorgon47 it's implied that taking her father's pain resulted in the loss of all his emotions. That would've eventually happened to others if she did not stop
@@Demogorgon47While I agree that the keepers were in the wrong on some of their believes and assumptions, Isidora was over the point of no return. Testing this new, unproven and possibly harmful magic on her students and even without asking on Niamh, shows that she is ruthless, reckless, lacks respect towards others and is egoistical. If she really only wanted to help others, she also would not have snorted the emotion magic like coke to empower herself. She was addicted to the power and her own ego.
People are defending Sebastian too much, but I understand Solomon. He knew there's nothing that could be done, that doesn't make him a bad parent or a bad person in general - he knew that she was dying but instead of giving her false hope he was honest about it. - Sebastian could've spend more time with her while he had the opportunity to do so, but he neglected her instead, thinking that "She's changed", as he kept practicing dark arts, torturing his friends without hasitation, lying, manipulating and doing outright evil things even when his sister numerously told him she *doesn't* need the cure. Solomon was a good parent, a former Auror who knew how ammoral it is to study and use Dark Magic. All he did was trying to protect Sebastian, just like Ominis. But Sebastian gone full on Anakin Skywalker, maniacally looking for a cure that does not exist. And so he definitely deserves to be turned in by the end of the game.. He was repeatedly warned by Solomon, his uncle, by his closest friend, by us, and by Anne too..We all warned him that he's taking things too far. In his persuit of finding the cure he neglected his sister and ignored our advices, stopping at nothing even when it turned into a complete madness. Even when he killed Solomon, he kept whining how everyone else was wring but not him. He tried to justified his murder, and said "What has she done?" when it was clear why Anne left him
@@Him82826 I agree, but from their own standards, he was. Makes him a hypocrite. There's nothing good about being a hypocrite. All it days is you don't stick to your own principles, that you have no standards, no spine. It's nothing worth respecting. If these keepers want me to understand and respect their rules, they need to have some rules first. They should have some principles and not just break them when it's convenient for them. The keepers don't deserve respect.
You know, for 8 months I loved a woman called Katherine Zuluaga, a small Instagram star from Colombia… she promised me love, marriage and a daughter. I put my health, money, property, career, time and my life on the line for this woman. Nearly sold my kidney for her. But she always just lied. She was part of a scam, refuses to take responsibility for the damage she caused for money. I suffered 8 months for her, and my emotional side looks like a battlefield. I’m still suffering because of what she did. But only when we do, we develop and become better. Although too much trauma leads to numbness too, have been there, don’t know if you really want this
@azurie580 Women are not worthless. It’s about finding one who is true to her word, a good soul. Katherine may be gorgeous on the outside, but her core is rotten. There are a lot of good women out there too. Besides, sacrifice is part of life, I plan on serving in Ukraine soon, as a foreign soldier. I live like that, I don’t know what self worth means, and that’s what I like about me. I am willing to do everything if necessary
The game is gorgeous but the story lines are just mediocre and filled with plotholes. I still don't understand, what is it that Isidora is taking away from people? Is it pain? Is it the ability to feel? Is it their soul? And why is it a kind of magic? Does it mean souls are magic? If so they can't be inherently bad... so why is this power treated like a bad thing? What is it that makes it bad? I mean, they use it to fight, but it's never said that you can only harm with it, it's just so vague. Also, Isidora looked misled but not stupid, they could simply show her how hollowed her father end up being to probably convince her that such lives she was imposing on her "saved ones" were not worth living anyway. But instead, all the reasoning is taken away and even the keepers are faster with their wands than with their words. And don't get me start on the Sallow family, Sebastian looked like the most sane out of the bunch: the uncle openly disliked him and the only family he had left after his parents died, was his twin sister who also got almost killed. It's only natural he grabbed on to the only loving person he felt he had in the world and did everything he could for her, the fact that they're also twins only amplified the feelings. In conclusion Anne was idiotic in calling Solomon and Solomon... well, he had it coming.
She thought that she was taking the pain away, but it turns out she was taking all emotions away until all that was left of that human was just a shell. BOTH pain and positive emotions must co-exist to make humans whole, alive... and we shouldn't manipulate that. At least that was my understanding of this storyline.
@@proudream ye, i get that this was the point they were trying to make... but it still felt SO inconsistent. Also, according to that logic, it shouldn't be coherent to ban Dark Arts all together and yet they somehow do so, like "Light and shadow must coexist, but also Dark Arts are bad and you shouldn't use them because shadows are bad... unless you have to stop a bad guy, in that case in doesn't count, so they're fine."
@@actaemazantor9558 A few things to note here. Bakar used Avada Kedavra when the curse had not been outlawed yet (the flashback took place around the late 1400s - early 1500s, while the Unforgivable Curses were deemed Unforgivable in 1717), so no, it's not exactly "unless you have to stop a bad guy, in that case it doesn't count." Second, when it comes to comparing ancient magic and Dark Arts against normal magic, it is necessary to take into account the fact that both ancient magic and Dark Arts curses are unblockable nukes. While any magic can be used with malice, and the issue falls mostly onto the users, rather than the magic itself, it is quite a huge hassle to prevent malicious users of ancient magic and Dark Arts. So rather than risking it, it might have been a better idea to just keep those curses hidden, or banned entirely. This may also be part of the reason why the Unforgivable Curses were deemed Unforgivable in the first place.
In Rookwood's memory where we see Isidora remove her father's pain he thanked her. But in San's memory he's a shell. We don't know how he got like that. Is that somehow a side affect or did Isadora use her ability multiple times? Or maybe thought just taking his pain wasn't enough. We're given only the keeper's point of view. It's like modifying/removing someone's memories. In this case, she removed their emotions. I think that our character might be able to remove the pain conflicted from the curse if we focused soley on just "that" pain and studied enough.
Why didn’t the forth wizard get life in prison, there no excuse to use the killing curse ( the lore) that why I couldn’t turn in Sebastian I think it’s unfair plus there other curses I think should be considered unforgivable
If you're referring to San Bakar in Isidora's section, according to another comment that scene takes place before the Killing Curse was classified as one of the Unforgivable Curses, so while probably considered extreme, it wasn't yet illegal.
@@izuco8724 The game is good, i really don't want to say it, BUT besides everything good it feels kinda wacky. The way devs introduced the unforgivable spells looks very simple, i mean yeah, its useful for gameplay, but it not so serious in storytelling, i mean, not so dark and menacing. ok its too much to read
I haven’t played the game so I dunno what went down between Sebastian and Solomon, but Sebastian acted like such a brat… I mean he murderer Anne’s dad…
Sebastian is a freaking annoying kid. He deserved to be sent to Azkaban. His quest is so boring and unfair when you cannot learn Avada Kedavra when agree to prison him
I hate people like Isidosah 🙄 it's that entitled self important nature I guess. I don't know how but women always tend make the most annoying villains lol Voldemort was 100x more evil than her but he wasn't annoying 😂😂
sebastian, another jerk from sytherin. every step that he does was wrong. and his uncle never stop him really. but, he is a slytherin, everyone from that house has a good taste for bad decisions and for being a jerk
Since when you are a jerk, if you want to save your sister? Sebastian isn't a jerk. Being Slytherin doesn't make you evil, it's just another school-house, nothing more. In original HP we saw jerks from other three houses as well 💁
@@lightdragon8849 exactly. House doesn't make you evil. Merlin was slytherin, Pettigrew was gryfindor. It just represents some of the traits certain person holds
Poor Sebastian. You can feel his frustration for his whole storyline. I hated his uncle for saying there is absolutely NOTHING you can do. He didn't try to understand or tell Sebastian he should give up Dark Magic but not giving up on helping Anne. He was taking away hope with every word he said.
I don't feel bad about Sébastien defeating his uncle. That man was a jerk for not doing everything possible to try to save Sébastien's sister whereas Sébastien was even if it meant using unforgivable magic in an attempt to save her
I think people give Sebastian a little too much slack if I’m honest. I understand why he does what he feels he needs to do, but I can’t agree that Sebastian does not take accountability for what he’s done. What’s worst is he blames others for the measures he takes, you don’t kill someone and then blame them for killing them. And we have to remember Sebastian’s need to gain power to save his sister inevitably pushed her away and still refuses to see that.
I casted crucio on him ☠️
I feel bad for the burden he must bare to do that wish it was us
his uncle was nowhere near her when the goblin attack.
Interesting. What Isidora did is the opposite of what dementor always do to people, but the destination is not different. Both suffering and happiness are part of someone soul. Took away their emotion, although it was the pain, is not different form killing them slowly.
I will say there is one difference: The dementors actually feed off that happiness, and eventually their soul, leaving the body nothing more then an empty shell.
Whereas with Isidora, he couldn't exactly feed on it, and if left uncontained, could be problematic.
But in saying that, I didn't actually notice the similarities to begin with, so good spot.
@@MCshadr217 I think there's a scene where Isadora eat (literally) the ancient magic after she took away someone's pain.
This is just another case of the mentor not explaining as much as they should while warning the pupil to not do this... If the jedi explained properly to anakin he would not have fallen to the darkside. If they had explained properly the reason not to take the grail from the tomb it would not have been swallowed by the earth...
@azurie580 right, because telling someone "a is bad" without properly explaining the consequence is the right thing to do, instead of a fair warning you just planted curiosity in someone, always expect someone to be curious about the "a is bad" thing and EXPLAIN perfectly what exactly will happen if they fuck up badly. Anakin wasn't evil, he was an emotional mess that grew up with people that didn't bother to understand his situation.
The world isn't just divided into good and evil, Jedi and Sith, Death Eaters and Aurors, expecting it to be Black and White is entirely stupid.
I mean, the mentors and their trials are rather BS to be honest.
If you want to make sure that "very powerful magic" doesn't get into the wrong hands, you should test the _character_ and _moral integrity_ of a person.
However, all the trials actually test for is
- (optionally) person wants power (by being motivated enough to continue despite it being very dangerous due to the guardians)
- person can think somewhat logically (puzzles)
- person can destroy whatever is in their way (guardians, more guardians, proverbial death, big beast).
Those are sht trials :D
i just love how bakar didnt fuck around and thought realistically and used the killing curse immediately
He’s the video game character we all needed.
It’s cruel that they destroyed her painting. I would of wanted to inhaled all that dark magic be so powerful
Interesting how we see in Isidora's memory that she manipulated the part where her father thanks her... in no other memory that glitch appears and it can only mean one thing. Isidora didn't want whoever was meant to see this memory to see her father's REAL reaction...
And what would her fathers real reaction he
I always find it hilarious when the goblins and enemy wizards act so outraged and horrified when you use the Unforgiveable Curses on them. One encounter that made me burst out laughing was when a combatant said I had a "reputation" for using Dark Magic. Like, so you're fine with trying to shank me to death, set me on fire, in the animagus' case claw me to death, etc. The goblins seem pretty fine with killing. But when I use dark magic, suddenly that's too far?
I wonder if that specific line of reputation only pops up if you use the unforgivables, i got it too after spamming the hell out of Cruzio on anything that moved
@@eduardogaelacostab.8313 i got it even though i didn't use dark magic at all or even learn the curses
It's interesting how Avade Kedavra is an unforgiveable curse while the main character just instantly kills enemies with ancient magic, blowing them up instantly.
Ancient magic is rare
Even San Bakar just uses it to kill Isidora which no one really seems to care or mind.
Isidora, taking away her father's pain, made man empty. It didn't just take away his pain. It took away all the emotion. Blinded by her desire to solve the problem, she didn't realize that she was removing all emotion from her father... Sebastian with the relic I am convinced would have done the same thing to his sister, keeping her catatonic... he too blinded by wanting to undo the curse cast on his sister. Sebastian is my favorite teammate, but his choices are questionable...
He was grateful saying thank you and smile on his face. That’s emotion. You are wrong
@@BP-xv7fj Spoilers: No, not at the end, when you do the last keepers test. Before the four keepers face Isidora, there is a scene where one of them enters Isidora's house. Isidora's father doesn't answer, doesn't turn around and his eyes are empty. Terrified, the man runs to the first keeper he meets during the story to tell him what he has seen. So who is wrong is you. Isidora's father is therefore catatonic.
@@ShadowSoul92 it was almost like how adementor's kiss is described tbh too
Totally agree with this, especially about Sebastian. He’s so focused on curing his sister I feel he did not take into account his sister’s wishes and what she wants for herself and that was eerily similar to Isidora, who was trying so hard to save her father despite the fact that the one who had the right to decide to save himself was her father.
@@iamalbertwesker2 Yes, it's true. I think, theoretically, that the magic they use acts differently from the one Isidora was using though. It's like they take the soul out of the body leaving only a small part of it, at least that's what I've heard in some videos. Isidora used ancient magic to "take away" her father's pain, eventually taking away all emotion... not just the pain.
Even at her weakest, Anne was so powerful. Imagine what she could have become if she hadn’t been cursed.
Cuz of pain she absorbed
Honestly, I wonder if Anne would've been like Sebastian if he was the one to be cursed instead.
@@milahjensen oooh that’s an interesting thought experiment
In a world where you can yank your memories out to view them later I refuse to believe you can’t take away someone’s pain and leave the rest of their emotions
I think the message was that the pain was a basis for all thier emotions you take that away and everything else crumbles
@@abunknown234t7 I personally saw it that all people have is emotional space - think of it as 1 TB SSD space worth for emotions and all Isiodora did was take emotional space of the person that was currently occupied by pain leaving the SSD only with 900 GB where the body still kept pain due to painful memories so she took again to 720 GB then 600 GB then 500 etc. until she just took the entire SSD away and finally the body didnt have anywhere to store its pain from all his memories BUT it had no memory space period for emotions and he ended up like a zombie.
Maybe she needed to cast obliviate AND take away his pain. However, I wouldnt do it because I myself has really regenerating mind that erases a lot of my mistakes from the past and I recover from setbacks or anger very quickly AND while it seems nice, due to that I sometimes repeat mistakes or dont full learn from them and have to make them multiple times to figure it out. Pain is a pathway to learning and other very useful things and without pain you take away a lot of abilities that improve your life.
@@Dark_Voice I saw it as more of the pain people feel is what shapes them, like something as essential as system 32 on windows
"Just because you can destroy the darkness, doesn't mean you should."
Light can't exist without shadow. If you lose the concept of pain, then comfort means basically nothing.
wouldnt even call the bad ending bad as there is literally no bad events that happen because of it, its a dark ending for sure
I can't stop counting how many times they said: "What have you done?" ^_____^
Anyone find it weird how no one had an issue with San Bakar using the killing curse?
At some other time in the game, it was stated that in that time period it wasn't considered an unforgivable yet. But yeah I hate San Bakar especially with how he could have used any other spell and also how his portrait acts so superior and uncaring about others
@@all-for-one-- Idk why it's an unforgivable. There are WAY worse spells you can cast on someone that are legal.
Well, technically it was a full legal spell. It wasn't punishable, which I agree with. Since murder should be the charge, not using a curse.
@@Captain-Axeman I understand the meaning behind the spell, but it's not as bad as making someone puke slugs 🤮
@@all-for-one-- what time period was it? The 3 unforgivables were made illegal in 1717
Outta all things we can’t be mad at Sebastian he tried to save his sister many times
Even after his sister told him to stop and she didn't want to be cured by dark magic? He ignored everyone around him, committed murder and estranged himself from all his family and friends because his arrogance and lust for power blinded him.
This goes to Isidora... Wasn't it easier to use Obliviate and make it so that her brother had never existed in her father's memory? Just like Hermione did with her parents to make them forget about her. So he would no longer suffer for something that he does not remember and that never existed
Maybe the spell wasn’t invented yet at the time lol *retcons*
@@mankewoopwoopNah it did exist at the time, Professor Ronen makes a joke when you first meet him that everyone must have been casting Obliviate on one another all summer cause they couldn't answer his question about conjuration differences in class. I think maybe the writer's may have hiccupped 😂 cause yeah using Obliviate woulda probably been waaay easier.
@@cheshiregamez8546 I think what they were saying was about Isa Dora which happened way before the storyline is occurring
@@ben6217 or she was just crazy and needed an excuse
Maybe she didn't want to take the chance that one day he might remember (as the spell doesn't erase the memory, only the ability to recall it), or that even with the memory "gone" he would still feel the remnants of pain from it.
Tbh I think it's just fair to assume that her brother's death broke something in her, and growing up around her father who was in constant agony and misery just made her obsessed with the idea of eliminating pain altogether. Can't expect her to think logically after that
Noting how Bakar facial changes
To her father: “kinda concern”
4:16 learned that she used it on student: “you’re dead now” 💀
"What have you done" - the most popular phrase in Hogwarts Legacy//
I wish they could have clarified if taking away painful feelings was independent from taking away every feeling. Like Isadora did with her father. It looks like she took his current pain away first, but when he started developing painful feelings again, she just decided to take it all away. I just don't know if that's the case or if all other feelings eventually die after pain is removed.
What most likely occured is slow mental decay. Took pain away, but other feelings slowly disappeared as well due to what would normally cause pain slowly grew each time something hurtful occured. So joy may have been at maximum before, but each time something painful happened, the maximum slowly got smaller til no joy can occur.
it's like they say in the game. just because you can take away the darkness doesnt mean you should as without darkness there is no light and vice versa. it was a development of taking his pain away.
No, she took away his pain, which was discovered as taking away ALL his emotions. There was no secondary action, just a delayed outcome. She basically made him a zombie, slowly.
@RandumGaming He seemed extremely happy and relieved right afterward, so I doubt that's it.
@@darthnox2210 Relieved yes, but happy? He didn't smile, he didn't cry, he didn't jump for joy. He was just without pain.
Always remember this. "Great power comes with great responsibilities"
and, Great opportunities.
Hence why i use both dark magic and normal magic
U forgot when Ranrok killed lodrok with his powers and right after that, rookwood tried to kill ranrok with avada kedavra
There is also the Hippogriff rescue scene and Crucio
I don't know there are still plenty of legal spells like bombarda or fire magic that will definitely kill a person. Pushing them over a cliff or burning them alive is going to have the same result as avada kedavra.
@@serronserron1320 one time I turned someone into a red barrel but they were the last enemy, so I got creative, used Wingardium Leviosa, moved it over a cliff and let go.
I think the reason the Unforgivable are forbidden is because there is no way to block them (except dodging or some hard cover). And you need to want it.
im still mad he missed
like bro it’s a fucking Gobblin he can’t move that fast
@@ChickenAndFries09Twitch yeah same. Rookwood was bad but ranrok was worse. And i was happy when rookwood tried to kill ranrok. Shame he missed
Isidora:
Rackham: what have you done?
I find it funny that NPCs will comment on you using Unforgivable Curses against them or their comrades, but no one bats an eye when you use Ancient Magic to slam someone into the ground so hard, they most likely have brain damage.
Isidora was blinded by taking away pain by using the ancient magic. Yeah taking away pain is kind of… unique but then you’d be catatonic like a walking corpse.
Someone said "She couldn't have used Obliviate? Just like Hermione did to make her parents forget her?"
Then that would be a second spell that we cannot learn in the game, the first being reducto.
Throughout the game, I had speculated that the main character was a descendant of Isidora.
Could be very much true , both seem to have access to ancient magic 🪄 and both are extremely powerful with both the light and dark side of magic 🪄. When Isidora fights the teachers , notice how she has her hand ✋, similar to the way voldermort holds his hand when he duels . The MC more then likely has surpassed her in terms of raw power , I did read recently that the upcoming sequel will take place one year after this game and our Mac will be a 6 year student .
Says too the blind person until we are out of sight
Wait thats the Bad Ending? Felt Pretty Good to me :)
The MC uses the same power as Ranrok and Isidora. Their eyes turn eye during the end scene.
Sebastian's face when mentally commanding that goblin to gut himself 🔥
I really don’t like these flashbacks. They fail to clarify why Isadora is wrong, or why the other professors have a problem. I get the later problems (using the power on people without permission, draining her father of all emotion, using the power on students), but the root issue was never addressed.
They needed a scene, after she takes her fathers pain, where they all sit in a room and discuss what happened. I want to hear the differing perspectives and reasons for why some may be hesitant or supportive of Isadora’s actions. Then we can have following scenes where Isadora goes too far and the professor(s) that previously supported her now switch sides.
But we don’t get that. Instead Isadora is made out to be wrong from the start. It was because of this lack of depth that I chose to use the power. The Professors were acting like paranoid nay-sayers, and even though Isadora crossed the line in a few areas, she didn’t come off as totally unreasonable.
they clarified enough, she was dabbling with the unknown. And before considering the long-term implications of her powers, she mass tranquilized students. As can be seen from the memory, Isidora's father basically became an emotionless husk.
Something new and experimental must be tested both short and long-term before it can be used for masses.
And besides, seeing her snort the 'emotion magic' like a crak addict would send anybody's alarm bells off.
There's even a scene when Isadora uses the magic on Naimh and, although Naimh stops her almost immediately, it seems to have done nothing to her.
This game is a Masterpiece
Guess you are the type who calls Marvel movies and Netflix series «masterpiece». The game is fun, but pretty mid
@@j.j.ditkovich3490 I don't even have accounts for it xD
@@wirt1002 good for you😂 Me neither
@@j.j.ditkovich3490 have a nice day ^^
Poor Sebastian being scorned for using an unforgivable spell to save his sister...while the protagonist can commit genocide every day with AvadaKedavra and still be hailed as a hero.
👍💩10/10 game of the year.
Probably cuz the developers didn't want to put a limit on what you can do since if they added severe consequences then the player would have to be in some form of prison and that would mean building an entire alternate story of having to break outta jail and probably a full villain arc of taking over the school and probably havada kadabraing all the teachers and the headmaster.
@@zuziiice8907 An alternative line like this would be fantastic and would solve the lack of consequences...but unfortunately that's not the case, in an attempt not to limit players, they've done just that, limited our options.
It's a good game that wanted to tell a linear story and that's it, it's not a Harry Potter rpg like it wants to be sold, it just has RPG elements. And it's okay if we see it as a linear game without much depth.
@@zuziiice8907 there's a mod for this already lol. If you use the unforgiveables in front of people you get a bounty, and everyone attacks you on sight. If you lose you get sent to Azkaban and the game ends there. It's way more realistic lol
Unpopular Opinion: Solomon was a tool but he did not deserve to die, he was an ex-auror who knows first hand what happens when you start using dark magic. He did not want Sebastian to fall
eh and he was ok with repeatedly telling a young boy that his beloved sister was going to suffer for the rest of her life. his death was completely ok.
I think most people are really looking at this from the kids' point of view, instead of the adult one. Yes, Solomon was stern, even harsh, but you can see clearly that he was trying to both protect his niece and Sebastian from dark magic. He made the mistake of not reaching out better to Sebastian, but he did what he could to discipline him in his view, from the clear off limits magic that Sebastian obsession was getting him into. Even Ominus, who has horrible relatives, knew better than anyone that Sebastian's good intentions but lack of accountability was gonna end badly.
@@pikaswole When someone has a terminal illness with no cure - the worst thing you can do for that person is to give them false hope.
He wasn't cruel, he was honest.
He basically told Sebastian that he shouldn't waste his time chasing on the non-existent cure, but instead be with her while he has that opportunity.
Be there, to show her love and support she needs.
But that little idiot neglected Anne for the whole year, barely contacting with her and stating that "she's changed", ignoring her and his best friend who were trying to knock some sense into him.
Sebastian is the obvious evil here.
A lier, a manipulator, a murderer
Honestly I was sad that Sebastian killed Solomon. I think he honestly had the best intentions. Even when he was taking hits from Sebastian, he was telling him to see sense. It’s just that he never communicated with Sebastian properly (ie, with more understanding and compassion) and was always scolding him (telling him there’s no cure that is that, etc.). That definitely contributed to Sebastian going down the dark path.
@@Wessex90 Sebastian is literally one of the worst, most twisted characters in game..A manipulative psycho who does not listen to his closest friends, his uncle and his own sister...
Solomon did nothing wrong - simply stated the truth. There is no cure and there's no point in finding one
Anyone els wish incendio workers like Sebastian’s sister like it’s way better than the tiny range one u get lmao
just finished the game today, SOOOO GOOOD!!!
ending was boring...
@@Schniblogg true, that could have been better, but considering what a small part it is of the game, I stand by my statement
Something that I find interesting is spells clashing. I coudl have sworn that only happened with twin cores.
Yeah, just a gameplay mechanic. Happened in the movies too ofc (e.g. Dumbledore vs Voldemort in OotP, Dumbledore vs Grindelwald in FB) but that was just because crossing beams always has and always will look cool on the big screen lol
The "basic cast" in this game is also just a gameplay mechanic because in canon every spell someone uses is an actual spell, not just some kind of magic projectile
Idk why people in these comments mad at San bakar like home girl wasn’t going crazy trying to kill them?💀💀💀💀
I aint mad, that was cold af
Well, they did try to kill her first. She was trying to help people. She may have been wrong but her intentions where good and THEY shot first
Yeah massive hypocrite. "We shouldn't use dark magic but hold on let me just use dark magic"
Turns out it isn't really the magic itself that's bad it's how you use it. Something the keepers and Solomon can't seem to grasp.
@@cadkls everything in life is relative to the situation/context. Yes you can say he was a hypocrite but care to remember the big blob of bs Isidora took from the students already?
That woman does not have the responsibility to wield such power. And from the looks of things San Bakar did not go become like her in anyway.
Its the same as how police carry guns/have power-authority. Now right now look whats happening in US. Imagine if Guns is that Ancient Magic. Even if most if the population are ‘good’ policemen, small number of shitty tarnishes that
@@klamity2514 I'm sorry but if context matters then doest that derail their whole argument and the argument of everyone else trying to shit on dark magic?
Lmao perfect response.
Not sure the police analogy works. Most of them are shitty and corrupt and they abuse their power.
But it isn't the power itself that is bad. Power is a tool, nothing more. Do you not think that over time with enough study and practice, the keepers could have perfected that magic and used it to do good? Neither were correct, isidora went too far, but the keepers thought nah let's do literally nothing with this power and make sure nobody else can. Who knows what else it could have been capable of? But the selfishness and greed of the keepers, along with their smug arrogance to decide who gets to use this power that isnt theirs to control is not rational or correct.
Too much pain is unhealthy and unnatural, they should have worked together to help reduce pain, not eliminate altogether or to let it fester to the point that people become depressed and never speak, letting people suffer is cruel and evil.
10:33
Ominis: Cast it, before I change my mind
Character: *begins orange justice dance*
Bakar might be an asshole but he did what had to be done.
Solomon did not attack Sebastian despite everything. He loved them both, he was just stubborn and hopeless
He Literally attacked us lol
He was a bloody boss fight .😂
@@Pattmore He did not, at first he simply stole and destroyed the relic, and then Sebastian attacked and provoked the fight
The game clearly shows that Sebastian is on a dark path that leads to destruction and suffering. What he does is seriously wrong, even before he killed his uncle.
I liked him somewhat, but after the murder on his own uncle I turned him in. Ominous is a much better friend in every way, yet Sebastian didn't see it nor did he listen to him.
''all wizards''
DUDE THERE ARE JUST THREE
Aren’t there memory charms. Taking away the memory of his child would take his pain away lol
Around 1:50- 1:51 there is some sort of visual "glitch" I think this memory was modified.
Sebastian deadass using Imperio rather than a damaging spell like Bombarda, Confingo, and Expelliarmus.😅
I love how when Bakar sees Isadora about to take down Percival and Rookwood, he immediatly doesnt F# around and immediatly goes to the most effective method to ending the madness. You can see it on his face after that he questions on what has he done and even the looks of his comrades faces are questioning whether Bakar went too far too.
Who gets the right to decide if certain magic is dark but other magic is fine? All Magic is the same. Therefore I’m gonna use whatever spells are available to me including unforgivables.
Magic can Change your Soul,so i guess dark Magic can Twist it and hurt you in the Long run...but thats also why you cant blame Sebastian really, He simply didnt know that,to him all Magic is the Same as well i guess...Just a Tool
Is there no ending where Sebastian can save Anne??
im looking for that too.
Nope there isnt
The message of this story is if you're suffering depression or have a chronic illness just give up bro. 🤣
Nope, that idiot deserves Azkaban for all that he's done to his uncle, his friends and his sister
@@jlinus7251 And most of the time - that's what you should do.
Just accept that there is no cure and that you should focus on the closure with your family instead. You should make the most of it while you can instead of chasing after hope and neglecting the time you have
I say it’s all Anne’s fault
Tbh I'm glad Sebastian put an end to Solomon. He deserved it.
No he didn't, but Sebastian did deserve to be in Azkaban
@@almas4663 Well I didn't give up my friend for killing someone who gave up on his sister and was letting her suffer. Have fun with that!
@@TheBlackIdentety I did gave up on my so called friend who was a selfish jerk the entire time.
Who ignored me for several in-game days for mentioning a goblin. Who had seemingly no problem with torturing me. Who was eager to follow the footsteps of one this game's main antagonists..who ignored the warnings of his most trustful friends, who neglected and victim-blamed his own sister and was about to justify necromancy.
Who killed his Auror uncle with an uforgivable curse.
How can someone sympathize with an obvious villain? He never cared for Anne. He always ignored her constant demands for him to stop this madness and just spend time with them.
He deserved to rot in Azkaban
@@TheBlackIdentety Btw, she suffered WAY more from her brother becoming a psycho-necromancer and killing their only parental figure whom she loved.
Not just physical suffering, but mental as well.
All thanks to her terrible brother who stepped out of line in his search for a cure that does not exist
@@TheBlackIdentety both were kinda a-holes. Must run in the family lol.
I can’t help but imagine what happens If every wizard knew avada kedavra
Where are the scenes where we go ham on the student body?
sebastian might have done some questionable things but his uncle annoys me so much omg they should’ve talked it out and not just yell at each other
so basically, ancient magic and dark magic are the same? why did they bother with the different terms?
They didn’t know what it was or where it came from. Ancient Magic is not a real term. Just a placeholder.
Anyone else think the keepers were 100% in the wrong? What is the point of the ancient magic just to seal it away from everyone?
You might be surprised. There are fields in science that are equivalent in nature to ancient magic. Messing with human emotions, for example, is a very real thing that’s better off sealed for good.
@@notdesmondesmond Yeah okay but thats just how isidora is using it. What did the other keeper use ancient magic for, what would the protagonist use it for.
Its somewhat of an absurd thing to go through all the trials and be told where its all sitting and the goal is to just keep it quiet.
Why not just seal off the ancient magic, have no trials, don't leave any clues or tantalizing mysteries and just hope it stays buried. I certainly wouldn't leave a map to it.
they should have destroyed it.
@@alanmark8452 If that's the route of logic that you want to go, then you are going to hate the real world then.... There is a TON of scientific progress that is made and then never shown the light of day to the overall public due to the danger that comes with it. The entire point of the story is that the "keepers" were the last to utilize the ancient magic, due to Rackham and Isidora being the only two of the time that could see and draw it out. The cores of magic were effectively dirty bombs that could not be safely destroyed without causing the magic within to expel wildly. The point of the story and the "trials" was that they figured eventually someone else that could see the traces of magic would appear. Said person would inevitably discover the traces left behind with or without their help. Their goal was to guide the process of discovery of said individual in hopes to convince said person to not be tempted to be dumb and open the box(es) out of greed. Their goal was to, you know, prevent the next person to stumble on it from immediately pulling a Ranrok.
@@cerebrumexcrement It's almost like you didn't pay attention to ANY of the story, because the fact that they couldn't safely destroy the reservoirs was kinda repeatedly emphasized and the keepers acknowledge that the only two options left are to either open them and let pandora's box of magic loose, or attempt to keep the magic contained from corrupting everyone in the valley.
4.43 it always confuses me how an average student was able to just be chilling with the repository
bro he is amzing but his uncle does not know what his has done
Summing up the other responses and my own observations, I found that the truth of the world may be that only bad people are in power.
Games have already alerted us, consciously or unconsciously, in some places,
For example, the kind and friendly professors at Hogwarts can only teach the students as ordinary teachers, while Professor Black, who has a character like a rascal and is feared by all the students and teachers, can become headmaster and lead the school and ban Quidditch, which is really a good guy being bullied.
And in retrospect, even though the guardians acted in self-defense, the four guardians did not hesitate to kill the woman with avdcadavor. No one really said a word about it. And then it's illegal for the wizarding community to teach unforgivable curses to ordinary people, so if you use them, you send them to Azkaban, fine.
The stories are decent. The bad guys are the ones that die.
I'm a good person, and that's why I'm telling you this...
Avada Kedavra as been legal before the Ministry of Magic banned the 3 curses, Crucio, Impero and Avada in the early 1700, we don't know the date of Isidora's death but we can assume since no one batted an eye, it wasn't illegal back then.
So sorry but you're text makes no sense. What's your point besides you're a good person?
@@lauraanimalgirl3343 I wrote in a different language so I just google translated it，my fault.
@@lauraanimalgirl3343 My point is being a good person is not enough，in order to be in power you have to be ruthless somethings.
@@RKConnor-wo3kw ahhhh, I see now. Thank you for explaining 😃
Well Sebastian is a murderer but maybe he is to young to go to azkaban
Actually, not sending him there is making him suffer more. Going to Azkaban is just turning him into an empty shell. Not making him go there will always be concious of his uncle's death by himself and how his own sister hates him, plus, he will have to work hard to recover Omini's friendship. So yes... Is better not to turn him.
@@VzoZel well he still has us as a friend and don't think on any playthrough i will ever turn him in he is by far my favourite character but was shocked he killed his uncle even though his uncle was horrible
Ive wondered why San Bakar usually held one arm behind his back. I'm beginning to think its apart of his characters culture, but I'm just not sure.
This just shows, Harry Potter was a mediocre wanker of a wizard + the developers put a Sith holocron in the game...
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If the keepers came to the hamlet sooner then maybe isidora’s brother wouldn’t of died and she wouldn’t of took advantage of ancient magic by removing human emotion to gain power.I don’t understand why she told a goblin and why she didn’t think he wouldnt write journals
Do u mind if i make an edit of ur character
Honestly I'm on Isodora's side. I cried out NOOOOO when she got struck by the killing curse. She may have gone too far with her dad but there's no reason she couldn't have honed her craft to perfection.
That's why my character chose to harness the ancient magic for the sake of good. It's his power now. And the Keepers can just plain suck it!
She was bringing harm to students
Son she made the school full of fucking husks how can that even be excused
@@abunknown234t7 No she just took their pain. She took her dad's emotions. That, I admit was pretty fucked up
@Demogorgon47 it's implied that taking her father's pain resulted in the loss of all his emotions. That would've eventually happened to others if she did not stop
@@Demogorgon47While I agree that the keepers were in the wrong on some of their believes and assumptions, Isidora was over the point of no return.
Testing this new, unproven and possibly harmful magic on her students and even without asking on Niamh, shows that she is ruthless, reckless, lacks respect towards others and is egoistical. If she really only wanted to help others, she also would not have snorted the emotion magic like coke to empower herself.
She was addicted to the power and her own ego.
People are defending Sebastian too much, but I understand Solomon.
He knew there's nothing that could be done, that doesn't make him a bad parent or a bad person in general - he knew that she was dying but instead of giving her false hope he was honest about it. - Sebastian could've spend more time with her while he had the opportunity to do so, but he neglected her instead, thinking that "She's changed", as he kept practicing dark arts, torturing his friends without hasitation, lying, manipulating and doing outright evil things even when his sister numerously told him she *doesn't* need the cure.
Solomon was a good parent, a former Auror who knew how ammoral it is to study and use Dark Magic.
All he did was trying to protect Sebastian, just like Ominis.
But Sebastian gone full on Anakin Skywalker, maniacally looking for a cure that does not exist.
And so he definitely deserves to be turned in by the end of the game..
He was repeatedly warned by Solomon, his uncle, by his closest friend, by us, and by Anne too..We all warned him that he's taking things too far. In his persuit of finding the cure he neglected his sister and ignored our advices, stopping at nothing even when it turned into a complete madness.
Even when he killed Solomon, he kept whining how everyone else was wring but not him. He tried to justified his murder, and said "What has she done?" when it was clear why Anne left him
San Barkar did nothing wrong
He did actually, he was a smug prick like all the other keepers but ends up being nothing more than a typical hypocrite using dark magic.
@@cadklseven tho doing it back then had no consequences and wasn’t seen as illegal, did nothing wrong lil bro
@@Him82826 legality =/= morality
@@cadkls still wasn’t “wrong” to do it
@@Him82826 I agree, but from their own standards, he was. Makes him a hypocrite. There's nothing good about being a hypocrite. All it days is you don't stick to your own principles, that you have no standards, no spine. It's nothing worth respecting.
If these keepers want me to understand and respect their rules, they need to have some rules first. They should have some principles and not just break them when it's convenient for them.
The keepers don't deserve respect.
I didn’t like San but I think he done the right thing
Wait. When tf did we cast Imperio on Ominus??
Ababa kababa !!!
The uncle always wanted them dead.
Why doesn't she just obliviate her father to forget her brother's death?
I wish someone would take my pain 😢. Yah i know i sound like a emo.
You need both dark and light if you take one or the other away then you are no longer human
You know, for 8 months I loved a woman called Katherine Zuluaga, a small Instagram star from Colombia… she promised me love, marriage and a daughter. I put my health, money, property, career, time and my life on the line for this woman. Nearly sold my kidney for her. But she always just lied. She was part of a scam, refuses to take responsibility for the damage she caused for money. I suffered 8 months for her, and my emotional side looks like a battlefield. I’m still suffering because of what she did. But only when we do, we develop and become better. Although too much trauma leads to numbness too, have been there, don’t know if you really want this
if you take away pain, do you even feel anything after that? most likely not
@azurie580 Thanks for your empathy
@azurie580 Women are not worthless. It’s about finding one who is true to her word, a good soul. Katherine may be gorgeous on the outside, but her core is rotten. There are a lot of good women out there too. Besides, sacrifice is part of life, I plan on serving in Ukraine soon, as a foreign soldier. I live like that, I don’t know what self worth means, and that’s what I like about me. I am willing to do everything if necessary
How do you get the scenario to do imperio on omnis
you need to support sebastian when the game ask you between supporting him or ominis
I mean is the game even worth playing if people upload it to UA-cam.
The game is gorgeous but the story lines are just mediocre and filled with plotholes. I still don't understand, what is it that Isidora is taking away from people? Is it pain? Is it the ability to feel? Is it their soul? And why is it a kind of magic? Does it mean souls are magic? If so they can't be inherently bad... so why is this power treated like a bad thing? What is it that makes it bad? I mean, they use it to fight, but it's never said that you can only harm with it, it's just so vague. Also, Isidora looked misled but not stupid, they could simply show her how hollowed her father end up being to probably convince her that such lives she was imposing on her "saved ones" were not worth living anyway. But instead, all the reasoning is taken away and even the keepers are faster with their wands than with their words.
And don't get me start on the Sallow family, Sebastian looked like the most sane out of the bunch: the uncle openly disliked him and the only family he had left after his parents died, was his twin sister who also got almost killed. It's only natural he grabbed on to the only loving person he felt he had in the world and did everything he could for her, the fact that they're also twins only amplified the feelings. In conclusion Anne was idiotic in calling Solomon and Solomon... well, he had it coming.
She thought that she was taking the pain away, but it turns out she was taking all emotions away until all that was left of that human was just a shell. BOTH pain and positive emotions must co-exist to make humans whole, alive... and we shouldn't manipulate that. At least that was my understanding of this storyline.
@@proudream ye, i get that this was the point they were trying to make... but it still felt SO inconsistent. Also, according to that logic, it shouldn't be coherent to ban Dark Arts all together and yet they somehow do so, like "Light and shadow must coexist, but also Dark Arts are bad and you shouldn't use them because shadows are bad... unless you have to stop a bad guy, in that case in doesn't count, so they're fine."
@@actaemazantor9558 your argument makes no sense, just because evil exists doesn't mean it's acceptable to do it yourself lol spaced out.
@@actaemazantor9558 A few things to note here. Bakar used Avada Kedavra when the curse had not been outlawed yet (the flashback took place around the late 1400s - early 1500s, while the Unforgivable Curses were deemed Unforgivable in 1717), so no, it's not exactly "unless you have to stop a bad guy, in that case it doesn't count."
Second, when it comes to comparing ancient magic and Dark Arts against normal magic, it is necessary to take into account the fact that both ancient magic and Dark Arts curses are unblockable nukes. While any magic can be used with malice, and the issue falls mostly onto the users, rather than the magic itself, it is quite a huge hassle to prevent malicious users of ancient magic and Dark Arts. So rather than risking it, it might have been a better idea to just keep those curses hidden, or banned entirely. This may also be part of the reason why the Unforgivable Curses were deemed Unforgivable in the first place.
In Rookwood's memory where we see Isidora remove her father's pain he thanked her. But in San's memory he's a shell. We don't know how he got like that. Is that somehow a side affect or did Isadora use her ability multiple times? Or maybe thought just taking his pain wasn't enough. We're given only the keeper's point of view.
It's like modifying/removing someone's memories. In this case, she removed their emotions.
I think that our character might be able to remove the pain conflicted from the curse if we focused soley on just "that" pain and studied enough.
Need a flashlight don’t use the actual flash light us the one a 9:51
cinematic gaming, so fun. You watch instead of play! amazing!
Have you even played the game? 😭
bro its literally showing a few cutscenes from a like 20 hr story that is mostly combat
@@insertcringeynamehere5729 spammy spider killing, fun!
@@flatpancake2261 how much have u played its some of the best combat its so much fun
@@insertcringeynamehere5729 dont bother, mans just looking for something to hate
So its okay if a proffesor uses killing curse 🤣
At this point in time
It wasn’t marked unforgivable
And witches
Not bad ending for me i always hated fig
Why didn’t the forth wizard get life in prison, there no excuse to use the killing curse ( the lore) that why I couldn’t turn in Sebastian I think it’s unfair plus there other curses I think should be considered unforgivable
If you're referring to San Bakar in Isidora's section, according to another comment that scene takes place before the Killing Curse was classified as one of the Unforgivable Curses, so while probably considered extreme, it wasn't yet illegal.
No hate on anyone or anything. It's a big joke
What is? The game?
What are you talking about?
Are you the big joke?
@@izuco8724 well, that's not what i ment there, but it is also true...
@@izuco8724 The game is good, i really don't want to say it, BUT besides everything good it feels kinda wacky. The way devs introduced the unforgivable spells looks very simple, i mean yeah, its useful for gameplay, but it not so serious in storytelling, i mean, not so dark and menacing. ok its too much to read
I haven’t played the game so I dunno what went down between Sebastian and Solomon, but Sebastian acted like such a brat… I mean he murderer Anne’s dad…
do writers purposley make a white guy like Sebastian a villain ?
Mengkhianati
you named your character harry potter? he wasn't born yet the game takes place 100 years before him
Sebastian is a freaking annoying kid. He deserved to be sent to Azkaban. His quest is so boring and unfair when you cannot learn Avada Kedavra when agree to prison him
Miskine de s'appeler Harry potter mdr
I hate people like Isidosah 🙄 it's that entitled self important nature I guess. I don't know how but women always tend make the most annoying villains lol Voldemort was 100x more evil than her but he wasn't annoying 😂😂
sebastian, another jerk from sytherin. every step that he does was wrong. and his uncle never stop him really. but, he is a slytherin, everyone from that house has a good taste for bad decisions and for being a jerk
bro woke up on the other side of the bed
he literally wants to save his sister
Being a jerk to you is not a crime is a civil duty
Since when you are a jerk, if you want to save your sister? Sebastian isn't a jerk. Being Slytherin doesn't make you evil, it's just another school-house, nothing more. In original HP we saw jerks from other three houses as well 💁
Damn i thought slytherin hate ended in 2010
@@lightdragon8849 exactly. House doesn't make you evil. Merlin was slytherin, Pettigrew was gryfindor. It just represents some of the traits certain person holds