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Frrrrrrr I hate tryna level a character and then I gotta do a dungeon quest but people just blow thru things and you gotta wait for an npc to walk his ass over fasterrrrr… tho some days u do find a superrrr great team where everyone doing the quest or like a high level player is waiting for everyone to get there too
My main is a tank and I started playing ESO as tank, which meant all my first dungeon experiences was as a tank. Running a DLC dungeon for the first time as tank will earn you a lot of scorn and abuse from people who already know the mechanics and have farmed it over and over. Always specced 100% into tanking tho and never faked my role. Now I know every dungeon and do my best to help new players, especially for the vet hard modes. But that's after almost 3 years now of playing, and taking a lot of abuse when I first started out.
We have a pair of guilds on PC-EU set out specifically to solve this problem. They are called Story Mode and Chill Mode. Story mode was made first for those who wanted to complete quests. Chill mode was made a bit after which is faster but still waiting for people by default. Please do join!
@@darthmorbous You can find the guild on the guild finder under the Group PvE tab. I've sent a message to get you invited but idk how long that might take :)
On PC EU I've joined a guild called "Story Mode" that has strict rules about dungeons so as to allow a full team to run dungeons at a pace that allows everyone to do the quests and enjoy the story. If the group members have all done the quest for a particular dungeon, we divert to "Chill Mode" instead where we all just take our time and wait for each other in the dungeon to find all the loot, explore and clear all rooms at an enjoyable pace instead of speed running dungeons just to get to the end. It's really a breath of fresh air, and it's a shame that the great stories and quests tied to dungeons just get skipped or sped through. It also kinda forces you to actually communicate with your group, and it makes you feel like you're playing together, rather than all just individually doing a job as fast as you can.
@@andersfrandsen7077 I think we still have room. I know there's been so many people joining in the past that another guild was created called "Chill Mode" and a lot of people spill over into that guild. Worth checking out for sure
I'm also in Chill Mode they are nicely relaxed. Also in Wombles which has a mix of totally casual to hardcore players that doesn't take itself at all seriously and doesn't go off doing speedruns when there's someone who didn't want that.
I used to play tank, as a proper tank, and queued up for random dungeons even after finishing my own random daily dungeon and/or pledges, solely so dungeon groups actually had a tank... I should start doing that again.
@@frankenstein4968 That IS true yeah. You can unfortunately not get a "complete dungeon team" every time you queue up. Someone will always be a DPS queueing for support.
Surprisingly, I’ve had some of the best, most wholesome dungeon runs during this Undaunted event. Lots of laughs with randoms. Lots of deaths due to unknown mechs. Epic confusion in Frostvault with the mechanical mice. I’ve also had some amazing tanks as well - my favourite was the one chap who introduced himself as our tank for the dungeon and went on to give information. It was like being on a tour with a side of mass goblin murder. I loved it. Of course, it’s not all wonderfully pleasant, but it hasn’t been as horrible as I was expecting. I think my biggest peeve is when people don’t wait for everyone to be loaded in before running off ahead. I don’t mind speed-running dungeons. I’m happy to do it if that’s what we all want. Even when I’m doing the quest, I’m not a lore reader. Accept; skip; skip; complete. But for crying out loud, as someone with sub-par net connection (and ok, probably too many add-ons), let everyone load in properly before you start speed-running off. Trying to play catch-up while on a character with a standard sprint speed is already annoying enough. But when you’re left running through the aggroed mobs throwing down traps and shooting you in the back with arrows? It’s a nightmare, and I end up using half my resources to sprint and CC immunity myself and then tumble into the first boss fight completely unprepared.
You raise a good point - I have actually met some really rad gamers through the random dungeon queue (some of which I even added as friends). Lmao yeah I hate when that happens, especially in dungeons with HUGE add waves, like Blackheart Haven :')
I used to be a pvp main. One of the vet dungeons I remember doing before getting into PVE big time was ICP about 6 years ago where I ran into some players who I noticed were just burning through bosses significantly faster than I have seen before. So I asked them how my DPS was, they said not great. Instead of getting upset - I looked into ways on how to improve my DPS by looking online and asking people. Now that I am a pretty alright DPS and have pretty much all of the trial and dungeon trifectas in the game when I try to help others, the majority of them who ask for help, they seem to be unable to take any advice they are given. Some people in MMO's just like life I feel are unable to be helped or maybe you have to put in an insane amount of effort in order to help them that maybe it's not worth it? Even though I have a lot of really good friends in this game who are S Teir PvE, I would rather pug vet dlc dungeons on a tank to help players learn mechanics. The problem with this is that 50% of the time you are queued with players who honestly are just hoping for a free carry and want to put in minimal effort or not learn simple game mechanics and will get upset the minute you try to help them, they really have no business even being in vet DLCs and probably would have a hard time with base vet dungeons if not being carried. Honestly I have no problem helping people who are willing through a 20 minute Kjalnar fight in Unhallowed grave, resurrecting the entire team 10 times, as long as they are learning, but these players usually are outputting ~20% of the total DPS they should actually be doing in the dungeon and stand in the red AOEs and they are queued up for DLC vet dungeons and are oblivious to how they are performing, they have zero awareness. I can't help these people even if I wanted to.
This problem isn't unique to ESO, it's in all games. It's one of the reasons why simple "easy" games are so popular (such as COD, battlefield, and such games) the players don't want to hear what they're doing wrong and just want to get all the "good" stuff. It's so bad that some people can make money off of account recoveries! That being said, someone who does take the advice, even if they implement it wrong or are still getting stuff wrong, are the players who you want near you. Those players are the ones who will get better, don't give up on them because only then will they give up.
Have you ever tanked 10+ Daedroth in Banished Cells 2?=) That's why I never go tank with random group. DLC dungeons have DPS checks much more strickt so wasting 1+ hours with group that can't complete it is simpl not worth it.
@@0xskar if you play as a tank in this fight you must keep aggro of Deadroth he summons on you. The longer the fight goes the more Daerdroth he summons. If you have competent DDs they will kill him quickly (I'm quite sure it is possible to burn him down quickly enough to have just 1 daedroth). If you have bad DDs you will have a horde of Daedroth you need to keep on yourself. Which would not be that bad (especially if you have AoE taunt set for which ironically drops in this dungeon) if not for constant knockdown attacks of the daedroth.
@@skipperg4436 i have done BC2 vet HM solo, its very easy with a full group (PUG). you don't even need to tank the crocs the trick is usualy not to kill the boss to fast.
On the speed running complaint-it's totally understandable if some want to speed run. The problem for many of us when this happens is we load into a dungeon, and right away all the monsters are forming a pack growing larger immediately behind the lead runner. As soon as we try to catch up, they all aggro on our character at once. Anyone who wasn't in the initial clump of runners gets instakilled. This is worse with dungeons like Blackheart Haven, with tons of ranged monsters who will focus-fire on whoever is the slowest if the party doesn't stay together (running or not). One solution would be a Run Ready Check: someone messages in Group "Are you ready to race for the final boss?". Party confirms, everyone's good.
@@Arttea the problem with this is that often people start to run immediately upon zoning in and making a plan doesn't exist. Everyone has different zone load times and those who come in a few seconds slower get pounded with all of the agro. The only solution is for everyone to wait just a handful of seconds longer to make sure everyone is ready ... but that would rely on people playing with a modicum of respect for others.
Yes!! This is what I just commented on. I'm more than happy to race through things (time is money!) but at least let us all load in properly first. It's only going to add 10 seconds or so to the start of the speed-run, but it's going to save time later. These people don't seem to realize that a DPS arriving at a boss fight not actually ready to DPS (because they've been getting shot in the back the whole way there, and popped pots to keep them going, and is still playing resource catch-up) is going to slow things down even more.
I main a tank, and that sometimes makes for a difficult experience as I usually just queue for random vets. There are issues with the activity finder that span beyond fake roles, and I'm glad you made this video. GG
@@TheBassteban As a DPS I would like to know. What qualifies as a "fake DPS"? This is a serious question as I do not want to be put in that category. I put out modest DPS (35 to 45K), I stay out of AOE, I wait for the tank to position and gain agro, I watch for healer needing a rez. I always have some type of AOE damage loaded to take care of add pulls. What else does a DPS need to do?
@@jackflash6377 do enough damage to easily clear content. If the healer easily heals and buffs you, the tank easily holds and debuffs/buffs enemies/allies respectively, you should make it as easy for them by killing stuff fast enough. I've tanked and done 20% of dps in tank gear with tank skills. In decent 4 player groups, healers and tanks should account for around 5% of the dps so there were some people not pulling their weight and most likely not optimizing their builds to do their job so I would call that a fake dps. It's easy to do a lot of damage with just craft able sets, there's no reason not to be able to do decent damage.
Your humor is so good I laugh more times than I usually do watching UA-cam. You also have great advise and I can completely sympathize with you on many levels. Great content, I have to subscribe. Thanks for being awesome!
I remember when I was called out as fake tank even though : -Has ice staff with sword & board -40k+ hp -Deal no damage -Always used CC in groups of enemies -Blocked most of the time Because one dd kept using a taunt attack as a spammable
Just at work. Slow day at the private airport. I have to say your videos are extremely good. You put a lot of effort and time into them. Your voice pitch is soothing to hear, and it's just a great overall experience watching your videos.
It's all a mixed bag, of life experiences. Thoughtful and awesome vid! I'm part of a four guild... guild. One Discord, with a good amount of group events, and they help organize "dungeons with guildies" where everyone signs up with level, dungeons and experience.
Thank you for making this video. I played Vanilla on PS4 back in the day and was very active before the Tamriel One update. After they changed Vet 16 to CP160 a lot of things changed, a lot for the better. But as someone who WAS the dungeon runner for my guild, I was deeps/heals back then and have always loved the slash roles since. I am forever trying to do more GROUP oriented things. I was CC and AoE damage and heals with my original Sorc. I had a Wood Elf Nightblade that was magicka heals. Lol. Once I started leaning into classes and started doing more Vet content I started getting more and more into the harder content and getting better gear. Then I lost interest... I recently started back up and fell in love with the Necro class. I made another Deeps/healer character and loved him so much I made a healer tank. On both Necros I provide so much group function it's insane. My healer has more deeps than most randoms, so if we're just taking down trash mobs I can clear the room and use the bodies to keep my team up. But deeps get mad I'm out deepsing them at heals and they leave. If I'm tank healing the group on Vet content the healer gets mad and quits. I've had deeps mad that tank isn't doing more deeps and asked me why I have group heals in my "kit". I've joined Vet content as tank with an Oakensoul build queued as Healer calling me trash cuz we wiped on the first boss cuz he queued as heals with one mediocre burst heal. Frequently even on Normal the deeps can't stand I am trying to keep the healer and other deeps alive before they can race me to the boss, skipping all the chests and heavy sacks in the dungeon. Even when I go to random Vet content the supposed HEALER runs off and grabs aggro and is mad at the tank for not speed running. If you're on Sony that wants good heals and good tank, lmk!
Thank you for making a video on this topic. This explained my experience. I didn't start doing start doing four player dungeons until I was level 500 (because of bad experiences with zero tolerance players) until some guildies in the guild I was in explained the mechanics of the dungeon as we went through it. It changed my whole perspective on dungeons. I found watching UA-cam videos explaining the mechanics of the dungeon helped. I also ran through a dungeon backwards when we finished to learn that particular map. Love your videos and I look forward to the next one!
one time the dungeon finder dropped me in vet falkreath hold where the tank was wearing the harpooner's wading kilt and told me (the healer) to run in first because he couldn't be taking direct damage or else he would lose dps.... queued as the "tank"
As a dps i know i feel the pressure of not doing enough to help the group. Been kicked from many groups for that reason. But i continue to play because i love ESO.
Thanks for putting this out there. My few experiences with random groups have generally been good, but I can't say that it's an aspect of the game that I'm particularly thrilled with. That's more about the way I like to play than any gripes about the dungeon finder system, though.
I was tanking a vet dungeon got to the last boss and was booted they invited their friend to get the helm. I hunted 2 of them in cyrodil and killed them honestly close to a hundred times, maybe more. The other on is in my faction so I cannot touch them. After over two years I got a whisper and told them they told me that s happens and I told that they will fall over dead every time I see them. Still bitter in 2022.
Appreciate you approaching this from a rational and balanced perspective, not just some nut ranting about fake tanks. People forget that group finder means you will get whatever. They queue in expecting too much. I've been tanking for years. And youre right, its usually casuals that complain the most and about every imaginable thing under the sun.
Great vid. Like this "talk about eso stuff" format, probably my fav one on eso youtube in general. Also I feel like you, Nefas and Skinny can make any video entertaining. Keep it up! P.S Remember when dungeons could grant you skins and personalities? Remember trial skins?..
Thank you!! Man, those were the good 'ol days I don't really PvE much anymore these days, but if zos added neat skins and personalities to dungeon challengers again I'd absolutely get back into it
I'm pretty new to ESO but I love playing this game! In many ways I'm still learning how to do a lot of things so I still haven't gotten up to matchmaking for a dungeon just yet. I'd really like to do some of the tougher dungeons but some of the horror stories I've heard about matchmaking keeps me from queuing up. I know I'm going to have to take the plunge eventually lol. Maybe this new guild I just joined will help with that. Btw your vids are informative and entertaining Thank you and keep up the great work!
There definitely are a lot of wacky horror stories out there, but I should reiterate that they certainly don't happen *all* the time. It's just that when they *do* happen, they stick with ya haha. I'd absolutely recommend running content with your guildies though! Thank you for the kind words!
You dont need to join a guild if yours doesnt provide. Go to a capital city (or the zone craglorn) and just ask in zone chat if people want to clear a certain content with you. Its an MMO, most issues being said in the video can be solved if people just talk to each other. Quite sad that Zenimax advertises so much on Solo-PvE content that communication isnt a thing anymore for people :/
I would definitely agree that finding a guild with the same interests is probably the best way to go in terms of wanting to get through content. I say probably because (and this is only on the psn side of the game) I've joined countless different guilds that have specific mentalities when it comes to running group content (veteran especially), and at least 50% of them (even some who were just fun made guilds) had a click of people who catered towards meta-related topics, such as having a class, skill, and gear set up to join this and that, already having knowledge on this and that without needing help, and etc. You could just go find a new guild, but who's to say other guilds aren't like that; only one way to find out really? Point is that joining guilds to find like-minded individuals most likely works out best in the long run, but may eventually backfire the more you realize that the guild you joined may be full of secretive toxicity. Other than that, I mainly play as a tank (an actual tank) mostly to deal with the issue of "fake tanking" (a dungeon goes a lot smoother when you actually have someone who can manage to stay put while everyone focuses the taunted target(s) down and knows how to survive while doing so). I also do prefer to have a healer in groups as it really helps out survivability and relieves a lot of stress for the tank and dps, but sometimes I get backlash for having that sort of mentality in my groups verses a group who runs 3 dps and 1 tank. Funny thing is that they are doing Stone Garden HM without a healer and are wiping constantly because they're so focused on meta, but my group with a healer manages to get the full clear (all HM's with the speed run and a few deaths on the last boss). I'm not against the term "meta" by mean when it comes to finishing content, but if someone wants to get jealous of me not doing stuff the intended / "meta" way, then that's where I'd draw the line there. I play the game my way and I (and my groups) have done just as good as someone (and their groups) who follows meta. Anyways, been loving your content. Keep up the amazing work as always, and for anyone who reads this, I hope you all have a good day.
I dont play it so I'm sure someone can explain it better than me, but I know FF14 dungeons have like a leaf icon next to a players name if it's their first time in the dungeon to let players know they're likely watching cutscenes and dont know mechanics. Would love that for ESO. I fake healer whenever I do RNDs but if people say theyre new I'll pop up armory and swap, would love to be able to tell who's new at a glance.
Just recently started watching your videos. Love your content and how you explain everything, keep up the good work! I'm one that dislikes the fake role experience, but not overly worried as long as they don't make me work harder as a healer to keep them alive due to their lack of ability to fake it. My favorite is when the fake tank hits a DLC and gives the "Oh shit, I don't know why I'm marked as a tank" comment and leaves. I recently did a vMOS run with a fake tank - we died lots, but I stuck it out with the guys cause they really wanted to clear it. You were right, if you want to avoid that situation, run with friends if you can. :)
I just got back into ESO after a year and a half absence due to me having to budget and not able to afford ESO+ anymore. Now that I'm back, I do see why I loved it so much. What mind-numbing repetition it is that just makes me feel content. Rejoined my old trading guild and I'm making money, hand over fist. But wow, the amount of fake roles I've seen. Not even new players. I've been around since beta and I can still tell the difference between who is a newbie learning the ropes and who is just a highly skilled yet arrogant vet. I've run into fake roles before, but they were rare. I've been actually actively tracking my times and getting a ratio down, but I'm sitting close to a 72% of the dungeons I've been queuing up in to have a fake role (more data needed). If it's an easy enough base dungeon, okay, I might stick around if this player doesn't run too far ahead. But if they're half way across the map before I even get a chance to load in, I'm not sticking around. I honestly prefer to play with newbies who don't know what they're doing over some self-inflated ego. I'm very patient and I have fun showing players the ropes. I like to give them advice, maybe craft some gear for them for free, and just let them know there's players out there who do respect their time and want them to have fun. My expectations for PUGs are low and they're simply just thus: You que with random people, show a little respect for them. They're also people, all with their own stories and problems. Stick together and try to support one another as best you can. You don't have to be great or amazing, just do your best to show that little bit of respect.
What an excellent video. Thanks! Appreciate everything you were saying and have experienced my share of crap in dungeons from wow and later the initial version of this game. I quit eso around 2016 cause of intimidation etc. but decided to try it again late last fall. Just got back into dungeons via the undaunted event. Cheers!
My only complaint as a newer ESO player on an Xbox One is loading in late and then not being able to catch up to my team mates before the dungeon's done. It's happened twice on Fungal Grotto. It sucks, but I'd take this over getting teamkilled in other games any day.
Fungal Grotto 1 , you can skip half the bosses in the dungeon and complete it. So, someone speed running can clear it extremely fast especially if they have high DPS.
I had not done dungeons since I got back into playing but have done a few of Grotto now for the Undaunted event going on. The first time in doing so the "tank" just ran ahead to bosses and left everyone for dead after we revived after that first fight come back realize it is like that just run to bosses made it more bearable.
Ah yeah, I'd imagine that it must be a real trip for new or returning players to venture into the event dungeons while the undaunted celebration is going on, given how most people want to just speedrun them
been playing again for a few days leveling a new character. done a lot of dungeons and i have not had a single problem. everyone is going at a good pace. saying hello sometimes and gg sometimes.
I have a completely different mindset from those mentioned in this video. If I’m going slowly in a dungeon, or trying to complete a quest, that’s my problem. I’m not going to tell people to slow down, I need to keep up. Match the pace of the group, and if you can’t, it’s on you.
In Story mode and Chill mode guild we try to respect everyone and they way of play we do have fast runs but only if group is up for it as for applyng plz read guild message we dont accept empty req cos we try to avoid meta toxic players rushers or general players that came not knowing what kind of guild we are.We had our share of trolls and so we accept only req that has some info of why you want to join:All are welcome and we do try our best to teach and help anyone asking for help: Great vid btw i rly enjoying waching you and you hit the mark here and just noticed few fellow guildmembers commented here aswell ;)
I recommend any player to communicate their intentions at the start of the dungeons. Most speedrunners and solo-artists will slow down their pace and scout the area for treasure chests. DLC-content is different though. I can understand the tendency to tilt, simply because of how long it can take to queue up for these. They are best approached with discipline.
I’ll stop fake tanking when I can’t solo my random normal daily faster than the group can. If I could get the xp bonus by myself I’d do it alone. I never say anything to anyone but I’m not trying to spend 40 minutes in City of Ash 2 because I queue for a random normal daily and our group dps is 15k. Basically have to choose between sitting in a queue forever or in a dungeon forever.
This.... When fake tanking and healing I always make sure to have inner rage / a group heal to fullfil the most basic role jobs, and being experienced I can keep myself alive without any kind of help, but don't expect me to come with my true tank and then eat the keyboard out of frustration when the group has 15k dps despite me running golded meta gear and correctly maintaining all the buffs and debuffs.... I do wait for peeps who have the quest and I never run ahead, link all my gear at the end, but I don't take kindly to people still complaining about me faking.
Great advice, as a newish PUG runner, this was quite helpful :). I've also seen some good videos explaining things like why positioning is important, which has been eye opening. One minor suggestion: the colors of text and background on your chapters make (yellow/white) make it really hard to read. Either way, love the content.
Thank you for your fresh approach and great delivery on a sensitive subject. I also watched the other video you made and spoke about. I subbed and thumbs up your channel and hope you will continue making videos.
I love guild runs, especially for pledges because some vet are very eazy. I usually tank, heal and dps with templar and rest of group is dps. When you understand boss meh everything becomes easy mode. For random que I always use my tank and sometimes is very frustrating. Like when low level players playing something they are not ready, or totally ignoring meh, or run in front of me and making chaos for me with adds..and even worse is when you trying to explain someone boss meh in dlc content and than he just leave group. Public groups are worse, best to play in prime time so you actually have chances to find good groups.
All those points i find valid. TBH, treat others as you would like to be treated. With respect and patience. I queued for my first pug after your feedbak discussion video. I only did it because, you know, event tickets.... The healer ran off like they were alone. The tank, well idk what the heck they were doing. The other DD and i did most of the work in cleaning up after the healer. I play every day. I am a member of a guild and we've been running organised dungeon and trial events regularly for maybe the last 4 to 5 months. The groiup have been so, so good in helping me and even running some of their events at a time i can make it to (they are in Europe, I'm in Australia). With their support i've been able to branch into healing and now tanking, but i am yet to experience all the dungeon and trial content, so don't feel confident in taking my healer or tank into a pug. Update 35 messed with some of my builds to a degree that made me feel like just not logging in anymore. However on discussion via discord, i was given some suggestions from more experienced players which helped. I still take a little longer to kill enemies, and my sustain/squishiness still needs work - but i think those are things almost all players are adapting to. I recently joined another guild, mainly to be able to trade, but several of them seem really nice too - so who knows what will happen! If i stay away from pugs, my only other grumble is about some of the language in zone chat - oh and players running in and stealing chests that i was clearly running to (you know, those sneaky buggers who go invisible and suddenly appear). PVP zones are something i'm only beginning to understand - so i'll leave my grumbles from there alone for now.
one thing i would recommend to ZOS would be to update the finder to allow you to queue with 2 people and 2 companions. Reducing the number of people required from 4 to 2., since the game hasnt really been updated for the addition of companions. Other thing I think the Dungeon finder should be split up into base game normal, base game vet, DLC normal, DLC vet, so you can choose the "difficulty" level of your random....aka if I am gonna "fake tank" then I queue up for base normal only.... where as properly formed team could queue up for other options.
The problem sometimes is they have made it to where esos content has been made easy iv only tanked since launch and there are dungeons that a random team couldn't pass a mid boss bc they had to get good learn to beat a boss now you can throw Necro leech and azure and tank can solo every mob and slowly kill a boss unless a one shot that requires a teammate is there and still be a doing everything a tank should do . Last few years I only q for random dungeons 30 times before I get off. give a tank something to tank have something to tank in a dungeon.hardest think iv fought in a dungeon is bugs that make me logout to block again
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I can't help checking every container I can and have many items I'd like to sell. Getting in to a guild is probably my next step. I have been reluctant to join some randos on the internet though. Thanks for the info. I have a bunch of building material to sell thanks to your other videos. -- in the beginning I deleted that stuff to make room
I had a CP 11 and a CP 145 DPS's in Vet Crypt of Hearts 2 yesterday. Definitely not enough DPS and they loved to stand in stupid. But me (the healer) and the tank just figured out how to carry them threw it. It was frustrating, but a good learning experience at the same time.
I remember the first time I did a dungeon on ESO. Eso was my first mmorpg so I had no clue how to actually do the roles, I kinda figured you just queued up as the role you wanted and it’d work out lol. I had queued up as a 2h tank with no taunt, because I didn’t even know what “taunting” was 😅
I play ESO about once a year for a month, and sub, every time they release a new expansion. I love the stories and quests, the delves and the public dungeons. However, I've always had disappointed experiences with the Dungeon Finder in game. At CP960 I sometimes will solo the easier base game normal dungeons with my companions if I need mats or things to sell. This video, and the in game undaunted event, inspired me to try the dungeon queue. After about 20min in queue on NA servers I get a group for Vet Eden Hollow II. The group gets to the first room, everyone's health bars are good, no issues with the CP1700+ tank holding aggro, but halfway through clearing that first room, someone says "DPS seems low" and leaves group. We finish clearing the room no issues with only 3 and a companion. The tank asks if we should look for another, but the healer leaves, so then the tank does as well. So 20min waiting and 10min of group play for about 10g and a couple rubedo leather. Will I try this again anytime soon? No thanks.
Only random pug for the crystals. And since I can only play base game dungeons, if I stick to normal dungeons, I can solo any of them that don't have anti-solo mechs, so roles really don't effect it much. Now move onto vet dungeons, roles matter alot.
I fake tank on content that doesn't require a tank, example is nfg1(normal fungal grotto 1). But normally on most vet content i wouldn't suggest it. Depends on what vet content it is and I may queue as a healer as a dps but only when I can throw out a solid heal. Example of this is as a sorc with twilight matriarch. It all varies and depends on what kind of healing will be required but normally I like 3 dps and 1 tank.
I started playing a few months ago and have really enjoyed the game. Seeing build guides and putting together a list of equipment to get and researching how to get it has been very fun but when it comes to running the dungeons the experience has been overwhelming. I've only run about 30 of them so far and every time has been a speed run where I often miss the quest or get lost/left behind. On the few times I have been paired with lower levels I still feel way out of my depth.
Thank you for this video, I was one of those who stated how bad my experience was with Pug dungeons being more like speedruns then trying to enjoy the content in said dungeon. I have joined guilds like you suggested. My issue with them is they either require you pay them or w/e it is or require you to log in before a certain number of days pass. Which I totally understand needing to make space for others to join so kicking the people you think aren't coming back anytime soon or at all makes sense. I understand its pugs its randoms you can't control what type of group you are going to get. Its just kind of heartbreaking to get excited to do a dungeon for the first time but then its just another speedrun and that first experience is taken away and ruined. Another MMO I play FF14 has this issue as well not to the extreme ESO does. Even then though you will see wall to wall pulls and hell depending on the dungeon. first pull all the way to the first boss which is many many many many twists and turns and lot of enemies. Which if you are a sprout (A new player with a sprout icon next to their name indicating they are a new player though that can also appear next to a Veterans name if they make a new character) Can ruin that first time experience as well. One way FF14 is tackling this issue maybe indirectly is by adding solo with ai companions. That way people wanting to play it like a more singleplayer FF experience can do that or to eliminate que times for certain roles who have longer ones like the DPS. It has let me stand around do other things like read notes left by dead adventurers or what have you and learn more about how creepy this dungeon whos theme is happy go lucky but has a dark secret. I understand both games are MMOs but it would be fun none the less. Thank you again for your video and sorry for the paragraphs @.@.
Watching this, you know what might help? A filter in the dungeon finder, to select, for example, a "casual", "experienced", "speed run" or "quest" playstyle. Doesn’t seem impossible to implement. Of course, you could still end up with toxic people in the group.
I've had dps run to the end boss while myself (the tank) and friend healer get left behind to deal with ads then get mad that we dont reset because he forgot to set the dungeon to hardmode after we get the boss halfway down in health.
i respect the bow bow nb build :D . On a side note I've noticed a lot of people complain about poor dungeon experiences, but they tend to never say anything and just expect people to run it at their pace. I know for myself i've done most of them so many times i just turn my brain off and vibe to some music, but have never had any problem slowing down if someone voiced it, nor had any problems explaining any mechanics i had an understanding of, but most of the time people don't voice anything. in fact, i stopped just openly asking if people knew mechanics or trying to explain them after the hundredth time of being told they knew what they were doing and not to tell them how to play to only watch them die to the same mechanic about ten times XD
Solo pugger here. I can pug/solo all the dungeons, so I stay with the tank, regardless. If they struggle, I’ll take agro and burn that boss. The only neg is when people sprint through (which,is fine for for farming) the slows get killed by the trailing adds and don’t get res’d. this is my main gripe in pugging. The other issue is players doing the quest the first time get left behind. I stay with them so they can complete quest a bit easier. The changes eachnpatch don’t bother me, I play for,fun and it’s a level playing field. Luv your vids. Cheers.
Haha, I fake tanked during this entire event, haven't had a complaint yet. 100K+ DPS on Normal Run, typically means things don't live long enough to kill anyone in the group. And I am slotting inner rage to taunt the bosses and stuff on me. I can keep myself alive and I pull the heat off of any noobs. I think I died once during the entire event so far. FWIW, I'm only doing this once per day to get my tickets, and I'm not fake tanking after that one run. I'll run with guildies when the ask for it, but queue as DPS (unless asked to.) And I'm not fake tanking in a vet dungeon.
I joined a dungeon once and I loaded in at the entrance, the team must have been at the end room because I spent 10 minutes running towards the pips only to be kicked the second I finally caught up with them
When I want to do the quest or do the secret boss I just say it at the start of the dungeon, I think a lot of ppl don't want to interact with others and just have a bad experience bcs they don't say anything. Usually, when I say first time here or doing quest, the others players slow their pace or explain mechs... And for the meanies out there well, we all started like a crappy dps/tank/healer... When I get those kind of people if I have the crown I just kick them c; or at least I try to defend the others... But well that's me at least Great video as always
So true, I mean, the group chat exists for a reason right? Any time I have plugged a dungeon and had the quest I've always just given my teammates a heads up in the group chat and they've always been accommodating!
Everytime I have 2heads in the group that complain about a low CP DD or inexperienced healer, or just blame the healer for running ahead in a vet dlc dungeon and dying when the tank (me) was still in a loading screen coz of my toaster, I always defend the players and/or roast the 2 head, with facts and logic. I just don't want anyone get scared to queue for more random vets, and anyone that complains in a random vet lost their grip to reality. like seriously if you queue for a random vet you should fully expect and accept a slow group
Argonian erp? That's disgusting... where is it? (asking for a friend) 😆 very well made video, liked the encouraging words towards those with bad experiences 👍
I always tell group chat if I have to do the quest or speed run. Only time I wanted to nope out was when our tank bitched I didn't heal him enough and let him die. Except he was the only one dying. the dps guys were fantastic. Now I only do dungeons in guild groups.
Late to the video, but the topic is evergreen. When I was more committed to ESO I would try to join guilds that took a less stiff or frantic approach to dungeons, but the whole "not enough time to commit to guilds" thing has been very true for a while now. Plus, that means keeping up with inflation in-game and whatever the ever-shifting meta is for the game also is a deterrent. I wonder how the group finder feature is doing to help people of like mind or goals find each other for activities like this. Always seems kinda dead when I check it (for all activities, not just dungeons)
I had only been tanking for about 2 weeks, just doing simple dungeons to practice, when my level 20 friend asked me to do the daily random with him, I was pretty sure we'd get something easy, so I agreed. Of course we ended up with a mechanics heavy, extremely long dlc dungeon. The other DPS and healer were together, he was a glass cannon and she only healed him, I didn't know the mechanics and I spent more time trying to keep myself and my friend healed, instead of tanking. The glass cannon DPS ranted at us about his great DPS numbers and our bad performance. We only wiped once at the final boss, before I was able to realize the problem, but after that it was months before I would consider queuing for the daily random as a tank. I still primarily run dungeons with a small group of close friends.
I’m new and playing catch up . I basically play solo because I’m trying to understand gameplay and character build. I hope to join guild eventually and have some experienced players school me on gameplay. Have fun see ya out there!
Been playing for years and have always played tank but I still have situations where people leave the group or something because I like to test builds and playstyles. I’m on console so I don’t exactly have all the tools pc has with addons for testing so I have to run content for my testing. I have had issues with running double frost staff because people who don’t tank think you have to have sword and shield. Also I have many times tried off meta sets like azureblight or other random damage sets and I even have some tank builds that out damage most dps and I get called a fake tank a lot even though I’m not. People don’t realize how little health and resistance you need as a tank, the most important thing is sustain and block mitigation. I have even had issues trying to run defensive sets like a build I made recently running grave guardian, imperium, and lord warden because the groups wouldn’t stay in my auras even though I told them to
So long as you can get the job done, I don't see why anyone should have any issue with how you go about doing it. I wouldn't give two shits if the tank in my group pulled up naked (owo) and tanked with dual bows man, so long as they could actually hold aggro and stay alive (bonus points if they can group shit together), then I'd be a happy camper. Ofc, this is an exaggeration, I'd be amazed if it was possible to tank efficiently like this lmao, but ya get the point ;p It amazes me that people care so much about the methodologies of other players, especially when there isn't an issue present. If people have that much of an issue, again, I'd really recommend running with friends instead.
@@Arttea for sure but try going into a dungeon with 30k health and a frost staff and see how often someone instantly leaves the group it’s insane. You don’t need 50k health for anything in this game but people are so used to seeing common beginner builds with tons of bulk and thinking it’s some sort of requirement but I have found from my years of tanking that the better I get the less I need and can go more into damage and sustain. My favorite build right now runs all medium and light armor and with the right group it’s great
9/10 out of ten. When I ask to slow down or not to pull a lot. I get bitched at and sometimes kicked from the group. I've completed every dungeon. But I couldn't tell you anything about them because I couldn't do the quest
I do have an Idea As of now, random dungeons force you to have 1 Tank, 1 healer and 2 dds. What If There is a new Register, where you can choose any role and its about "Speed-running" (Just getting through quickly)
I do pugs quite regularly to get the undaunted daily reward, so I do em quite fast. But I always say "hi" in the group chat, to show people that I listen and read the chat. But most of the time no one responds and never had I anyone say "I'm new" or "I wanna do the quest". So please please say a word. I don't wanna be mean, but if I just wanna grab the daily reward I don't have the time to get into everybodys brain to maybe figure out if someone wants to go slow.
I main a healer, but when I'm doing randoms I find myself out dpsing the dps more often than not AND tanking. At this point my standards for pugs are so low that if the tank has a taunt and the dps use abilities, it's a good random. I kind of wish there was a ranking system like for bgs where queue can prioritize matching you with people with similar experience levels. I know a lot of supports that have gotten burnt out from pugs that take half an hour to clear Tempest. It's not fun when just about every single dungeon, you get stuck with players who have never done content before. I do a bunch of mech & story runs in my guild that have a great reception because (most) people want to feel like they're contributing to the team and learning mechs is a great way to do that. I've heard FFXIV has a queue mode for "teaching runs" that I think ESO would benefit greatly if they stole. A lot of the new players I encounter are either scared of group content because they don't know it and don't want to be a burden, or had a bad experience with pugs that didn't want to teach that content. A lot of kore experienced players I know don't want to run content because they're tired of teaching the same dungeons/trials to randoms. ESO has very little immediate incentive to teaching new players and I think that's one of the things that causes the greatest skill disparity between casual and end game players, since most of the burden of teaching new players falls on the community.
I've had great succes with the message : "GET A TAUNT" art the end of the DG when dealing a with a fake tank. It won't stop them but they seem to get mad and that's not nothing.
I do wish people would slow down but farming gear myself I understand. I wish there were 2 types of queues. A “quick run” and like a first time run for slowing down. Lol I’ve had some great stories though from my time running dungeons. I have a solo build which is pretty well. One time there was a boss that our tank couldn’t take the damage for and our party was I think a bit lower level than me or just not use to pve content which is fine, they were talkative and fun to play with, but at this boss that all got killed. I survived as I was soloing the Dungeon before hand but was in the queue to speed up the grind for the set I wanted. I managed to kill it on my own and man they were all so excited it was great. We beat the dungeon after that, it was fun
I've been accused of being a fake tank before... when I'm running a Nord DK tank build... however I'm still relatively new to the game (~ 2 months of playing)... Sometimes I can't keep agro... *sigh*
Yeah that always bums me out whenever I see stuff like that happen. Everyone's perception of what a tank should be differs, so it's kind of silly to me to hear people throw that term around, as it can lead to situations such as the one that has happened to you.
My biggest problem is finding a good group to play with, as someone who is happy being an "intermediate" player. I don't enjoy chasing meta or grinding. I join "casual" guilds and am met with "must attain 60k+ DPS to participate" so the trials and veteran dungeons I can't duo with my partner are locked out. We aren't exactly total scrubs either, we can duo portions of Trials and over half the vet dungeons, I run with a magDK wearing Grothdarr, A Mother's Sorrow, and Law of Julianos. When we tried public queuing, every time we'd end up with people who wanted to sprint through the content we were playing for the first time. If we asked to slow down, we'd either get attitude or they'd just drop. So I guess, my question is, what's the best way to find a guild that's actually chill and wants to run content with players who are experiencing the stories for the first time?
Unfortunately, not every guild is going to feel like "home", and finding that "home" in ESO may take you some time. I've gone through my fair share of guilds in my 4 years of playing; some of those guilds had really unpleasant people in them or even unkind guild masters that imposed these kinds of ridiculous rules and requirements (for me, it was that I wasn't allowed to attend trials because I played a stamDPS). I would encourage you to continue seeking out that home by reading some of the guild descriptions in the guild finder (and applying to ones that resonate with you) or asking around among your groups of friends to see if they have any recommendations. What you have shared with me is more than enough damage to be able to comfortably complete vet dungeons. ESO U's (linked in description) "project vitality" initiative may also not be a bad idea if you are keen to get into raiding but are struggling to find a raiding community that will accept you. Don't be discouraged if it takes you a bit of time, but there really are great communities out there!
@@Arttea Thank you so much for the reply and all your informative videos. I have improved as a trader in game quite a bit from your content! =) I'll keep looking for that home.
Which platform and server do you play? Take a look at the guild Brahwegotthis has. We don't hear from Adam himself very often, but the community is wonderful and very helpful. I'm on PC EU.
You're so wholesome Art! Yeah I've had only one bad experience thankfully, but I've seen other people in my pugs when I played ESO that got called names and so on. That's what happens in most if not all mmos out there lol. Sad :c
Oh man, name calling is an insta-ignore for me I don't have the patience to be berated when I'm just tryna chill and get some undaunted keys. But yeah for sure, definitely something that happens in most games; it isss what it isss 😩
There are still good people that will help you out. i started tanking recently because i hate waiting an hour to get into the dailies. im not the best tank wen it comes to mechs but there are still people out there willing to help, i know i need to switch sets using my armourer at this point and try different builds i can get through most dungeons besides some hard DLC ones. i run winters respite jewls belt sword with leaching from ICP and bloodlord embrace mythic i really do like that set up but it does not work for me in graven deep
I did dungeons as a dps since my first day in eso just for exp only problem i had at beginning that people always rush and u need to do a quest but i knew they did it many times and they just want to do it as fast and basically never got problems with RND.
I have a starter guild with no obligations and free bank, on top of that i am master crafter who crafts freely for starter guildsmates. This guild is all about casual experience. I enjoy to run Dungeons with inexperienced players and patiently explaining where need to. Guildname is Petrochemical alchemists on ps4 EU. (Just started so still small)
Yup, I solo pillar or Nirn and the others that are solo able. My play time is too random. Except I keep a 1 to 49 level character just to run a random once a day for the quick 10 crystals. After they hit 50 I park em and make another.
It’s rare to find people trying to help. I was pulling a guild mate as the two DD’s. But the tank and healer were cool and we got my guild mate his first vet hard mode. But I did tell him that it’s rare to find a random group that’ll do that.
Thank you you are spot on! It’s not about the casuals vs the elite it’s about 1 person expecting three other people to do what they want in the way they want to do it. I have experienced people like this from both sides. It’s just individual spoilt brats. Group majority should rule and just accept it is what is. Don’t pug if you don’t like it. Though I would still like to see us be a little more caring towards the newer players on the scale of things.
I completely recognize the "fake role" issue as a new player. I'm still learning my classes. So in the beginning actually knowing what DPS, healer and tank roles in a dungeon were while I was a level 10/20.... yeah..... not that easy. Even knowing about meta builds, the ideal builds, etc.... Unless you've done loads of reading up upfront, how would you know? Thanks again for a wonderful video! They're always very interesting :)
Exactly. I've been DPSing for a while on PUGs, and I recently saw a video that explained why positioning (tank on one side, dps then healer opposite side) is so important in game mechanics. Never knew until they explained it. Helping each other learn improves everyone's skills, and having more skilled PUG players shortens queue times :)
I'm a main tank with some DPS toons and a healer toon. I generally have a mostly positive experience on PC NA personally with most pugs with only a few outliers. My usual mindset in pugs though is that by doing it, I pretty much agree that I'm okay with whatever kind of player I'm getting, be it inexperienced, speedrunners, relaxed, irl responsibilities, etc. If I want a specific experience I'll search for people for that experience, namely when I want to try content for the first time with exploration and learning from nothing in mind. I do remember that among my negative experiences though were from when I was an inexperienced tank. I'd occasionally get some pretty rough berating for not tankin properly, it has ruined Moonhunter Keep forever for me when I had just unlocked DLC dungeons and was going through them for the first time, even if by today's standards I can run it on normal as casually as I would a base game dungeon. But I've also seen some people throw mud the other way around too for fake roling even if everything went fine (heck last night we ended up in a 4 DPS moongrave fane and it got absolutely shredded to bits). As far as I'm concerned, I dont have an issue with a fake tank when I play my DPS so long as we get through content, or a speedrunner, I'll just run along and get a quicker clear than usual. My only problem really comes when the person behind the screen is just being awful to others for any reason it may be. At the end of the day everyone is just human. Some fake tanks are still confident content can be cleared, some others may feel bad when they realize things aren't going smooth as they thought. Inexperienced players maybe just want a bit of advice. Some speedrunners maybe only have a limited amount of time per day. Attacking other players doesn't clear content.
I'd like to add that for some people it's not just the not wanting to engage with other individuals or joining a guild. I found some pretty fun and kind hearted people in my current guild, but they are all like CP 2k something and for me personally just asking to run a dungeon so I can farm like a set is huge as I'm really bad at asking for help in general, but I feel like I just waste everyones time if I fail mechanics, which I will, because I avoid every harder challenge out of fear to piss people off. And well, the dungeon finder is a no go as well for anything vet or dlc related as I just am not capable enough. The base game regular dungeons are okay, I've duoed them actually with just a DD and me as a heal. So yeah, I'm kinda struggeling haha
For those on xbox eu I can recommend Crystal Crusaders, a trading and social guild. The guild is very casual friendly and reliably has a trader in Elden Root.
I get Queuing as a fake tank is frowned upon but like I play solo and don’t have a guild so I’m often left with the decision of either wait an hour to to go in as DPS or get a group in 30 seconds going as a “tank” so idk
just started, and im going through the samething i bought necrom chapter start doing the quest for dungeon and man i cant get a break to collect lore or even figure out want the hell to do... got mob all the time 2k cp player running through dungeon i jus quit
Thank you. I've played eso on and off since launch. I enjoy soloing a lot, but sometimes I feel like some social. In solo play, I die maybe once a year if I don't understand a boss' tactics. Anyway, I fking hate dungeons. Years ago I seem to do okay in them but something has changed in the last few years. I tried one the other night and after a few people died, everyone just left. Why they didn't resurrect? Maybe it's my older age, but I feel many players who don't get their way immediately, just quit and look for another instance. jmho
Feel free to share your thoughts, experiences, and guild recommendations below! I'll get us started!
Tamriel Trade Secrets is a PC NA trading and social guild for the community of this channel! Our guildies are interested in and adept in all of the different facets of the game, such as trading, pve, and pvp, with many guildies being willing to help others learn the ropes of the game! We have a discord server that all are welcome to join, regardless of the platform that you play on, but we also have a whole category of guild-specific channels! You can not find us on the "guild finder" tool. Join the server, assign yourself the guildie role, and ask for an invite in the appropriate channel! We do not ask for any dues, fees, or requirements, and we have a trader in the beautiful city of Alinor!
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Will have to check your guild out. Your tips on money making helped me earn my first few million with the Undaunted Event :)
11:32 thx now I will spin on this donjon 😅😂😂
I got tired of being rushed thru dungeons so I learned to solo them. I like to poke around and find the chests open containers etc.
me too!!!
Same
I like rushing through them as fast as possible so that's what I do
Same! I'm a digital hoarder
Frrrrrrr I hate tryna level a character and then I gotta do a dungeon quest but people just blow thru things and you gotta wait for an npc to walk his ass over fasterrrrr… tho some days u do find a superrrr great team where everyone doing the quest or like a high level player is waiting for everyone to get there too
My main is a tank and I started playing ESO as tank, which meant all my first dungeon experiences was as a tank. Running a DLC dungeon for the first time as tank will earn you a lot of scorn and abuse from people who already know the mechanics and have farmed it over and over. Always specced 100% into tanking tho and never faked my role. Now I know every dungeon and do my best to help new players, especially for the vet hard modes. But that's after almost 3 years now of playing, and taking a lot of abuse when I first started out.
We have a pair of guilds on PC-EU set out specifically to solve this problem. They are called Story Mode and Chill Mode. Story mode was made first for those who wanted to complete quests. Chill mode was made a bit after which is faster but still waiting for people by default. Please do join!
Another commenter also shared Story Mode and Chill mode! That's a super rad concept for a guild!
I WANT IN invite pls!! @darthmorbous
@@darthmorbous You can find the guild on the guild finder under the Group PvE tab. I've sent a message to get you invited but idk how long that might take :)
Awesome idea
That's awesome, I'm glad to see players creating guilds for these playstyles. Hope these expand to NA too :)
On PC EU I've joined a guild called "Story Mode" that has strict rules about dungeons so as to allow a full team to run dungeons at a pace that allows everyone to do the quests and enjoy the story. If the group members have all done the quest for a particular dungeon, we divert to "Chill Mode" instead where we all just take our time and wait for each other in the dungeon to find all the loot, explore and clear all rooms at an enjoyable pace instead of speed running dungeons just to get to the end. It's really a breath of fresh air, and it's a shame that the great stories and quests tied to dungeons just get skipped or sped through.
It also kinda forces you to actually communicate with your group, and it makes you feel like you're playing together, rather than all just individually doing a job as fast as you can.
@@andersfrandsen7077 I think we still have room. I know there's been so many people joining in the past that another guild was created called "Chill Mode" and a lot of people spill over into that guild. Worth checking out for sure
that does sound pretty great when the rush mentality is everywhere in the modern mmorpg
I'm also in Chill Mode they are nicely relaxed. Also in Wombles which has a mix of totally casual to hardcore players that doesn't take itself at all seriously and doesn't go off doing speedruns when there's someone who didn't want that.
I used to play tank, as a proper tank, and queued up for random dungeons even after finishing my own random daily dungeon and/or pledges, solely so dungeon groups actually had a tank...
I should start doing that again.
I'd like to try this once i've learned enough of the dungeons and mechs. I'm still too new to tanking to try a pug.
@@juliebeans7323 Very very valid!
I've tried and it's honestly just to painful if you get a bad group
@@frankenstein4968 That IS true yeah. You can unfortunately not get a "complete dungeon team" every time you queue up. Someone will always be a DPS queueing for support.
Please tell me your on Xbox
Surprisingly, I’ve had some of the best, most wholesome dungeon runs during this Undaunted event. Lots of laughs with randoms. Lots of deaths due to unknown mechs. Epic confusion in Frostvault with the mechanical mice. I’ve also had some amazing tanks as well - my favourite was the one chap who introduced himself as our tank for the dungeon and went on to give information. It was like being on a tour with a side of mass goblin murder. I loved it.
Of course, it’s not all wonderfully pleasant, but it hasn’t been as horrible as I was expecting.
I think my biggest peeve is when people don’t wait for everyone to be loaded in before running off ahead. I don’t mind speed-running dungeons. I’m happy to do it if that’s what we all want. Even when I’m doing the quest, I’m not a lore reader. Accept; skip; skip; complete. But for crying out loud, as someone with sub-par net connection (and ok, probably too many add-ons), let everyone load in properly before you start speed-running off. Trying to play catch-up while on a character with a standard sprint speed is already annoying enough. But when you’re left running through the aggroed mobs throwing down traps and shooting you in the back with arrows? It’s a nightmare, and I end up using half my resources to sprint and CC immunity myself and then tumble into the first boss fight completely unprepared.
You raise a good point - I have actually met some really rad gamers through the random dungeon queue (some of which I even added as friends).
Lmao yeah I hate when that happens, especially in dungeons with HUGE add waves, like Blackheart Haven :')
No one should run dungeons without reviewing mechanics first.
I used to be a pvp main. One of the vet dungeons I remember doing before getting into PVE big time was ICP about 6 years ago where I ran into some players who I noticed were just burning through bosses significantly faster than I have seen before. So I asked them how my DPS was, they said not great. Instead of getting upset - I looked into ways on how to improve my DPS by looking online and asking people.
Now that I am a pretty alright DPS and have pretty much all of the trial and dungeon trifectas in the game when I try to help others, the majority of them who ask for help, they seem to be unable to take any advice they are given. Some people in MMO's just like life I feel are unable to be helped or maybe you have to put in an insane amount of effort in order to help them that maybe it's not worth it?
Even though I have a lot of really good friends in this game who are S Teir PvE, I would rather pug vet dlc dungeons on a tank to help players learn mechanics. The problem with this is that 50% of the time you are queued with players who honestly are just hoping for a free carry and want to put in minimal effort or not learn simple game mechanics and will get upset the minute you try to help them, they really have no business even being in vet DLCs and probably would have a hard time with base vet dungeons if not being carried.
Honestly I have no problem helping people who are willing through a 20 minute Kjalnar fight in Unhallowed grave, resurrecting the entire team 10 times, as long as they are learning, but these players usually are outputting ~20% of the total DPS they should actually be doing in the dungeon and stand in the red AOEs and they are queued up for DLC vet dungeons and are oblivious to how they are performing, they have zero awareness. I can't help these people even if I wanted to.
This problem isn't unique to ESO, it's in all games. It's one of the reasons why simple "easy" games are so popular (such as COD, battlefield, and such games) the players don't want to hear what they're doing wrong and just want to get all the "good" stuff. It's so bad that some people can make money off of account recoveries!
That being said, someone who does take the advice, even if they implement it wrong or are still getting stuff wrong, are the players who you want near you. Those players are the ones who will get better, don't give up on them because only then will they give up.
Have you ever tanked 10+ Daedroth in Banished Cells 2?=)
That's why I never go tank with random group.
DLC dungeons have DPS checks much more strickt so wasting 1+ hours with group that can't complete it is simpl not worth it.
@@skipperg4436 O I just did a banished cells 2 that where the last boss Nerien'eth was ~6 minutes. The boss has ~3 million HP
@@0xskar if you play as a tank in this fight you must keep aggro of Deadroth he summons on you. The longer the fight goes the more Daerdroth he summons.
If you have competent DDs they will kill him quickly (I'm quite sure it is possible to burn him down quickly enough to have just 1 daedroth).
If you have bad DDs you will have a horde of Daedroth you need to keep on yourself. Which would not be that bad (especially if you have AoE taunt set for which ironically drops in this dungeon) if not for constant knockdown attacks of the daedroth.
@@skipperg4436 i have done BC2 vet HM solo, its very easy with a full group (PUG). you don't even need to tank the crocs the trick is usualy not to kill the boss to fast.
On the speed running complaint-it's totally understandable if some want to speed run. The problem for many of us when this happens is we load into a dungeon, and right away all the monsters are forming a pack growing larger immediately behind the lead runner. As soon as we try to catch up, they all aggro on our character at once. Anyone who wasn't in the initial clump of runners gets instakilled. This is worse with dungeons like Blackheart Haven, with tons of ranged monsters who will focus-fire on whoever is the slowest if the party doesn't stay together (running or not).
One solution would be a Run Ready Check: someone messages in Group "Are you ready to race for the final boss?". Party confirms, everyone's good.
Communicating with party members is absolutely always a great idea that can alleviate a lot of the troubles that could be found when pugging dungeons!
As a healer I always try to AoE those mobs when that happens, so they stay on me instead. I like the pain
@@MagicMoshroom Well said, and I've noticed it is often the good healers who stay back with me and help thin the waves of enemies. Much appreciated :)
@@Arttea the problem with this is that often people start to run immediately upon zoning in and making a plan doesn't exist. Everyone has different zone load times and those who come in a few seconds slower get pounded with all of the agro. The only solution is for everyone to wait just a handful of seconds longer to make sure everyone is ready ... but that would rely on people playing with a modicum of respect for others.
Yes!! This is what I just commented on. I'm more than happy to race through things (time is money!) but at least let us all load in properly first. It's only going to add 10 seconds or so to the start of the speed-run, but it's going to save time later. These people don't seem to realize that a DPS arriving at a boss fight not actually ready to DPS (because they've been getting shot in the back the whole way there, and popped pots to keep them going, and is still playing resource catch-up) is going to slow things down even more.
I main a tank, and that sometimes makes for a difficult experience as I usually just queue for random vets. There are issues with the activity finder that span beyond fake roles, and I'm glad you made this video. GG
Fake dps are more numerous than fake tanks. People have to learn their roles properly.
@@TheBassteban As a DPS I would like to know. What qualifies as a "fake DPS"? This is a serious question as I do not want to be put in that category.
I put out modest DPS (35 to 45K), I stay out of AOE, I wait for the tank to position and gain agro, I watch for healer needing a rez. I always have some type of AOE damage loaded to take care of add pulls.
What else does a DPS need to do?
@@jackflash6377 do enough damage to easily clear content. If the healer easily heals and buffs you, the tank easily holds and debuffs/buffs enemies/allies respectively, you should make it as easy for them by killing stuff fast enough.
I've tanked and done 20% of dps in tank gear with tank skills. In decent 4 player groups, healers and tanks should account for around 5% of the dps so there were some people not pulling their weight and most likely not optimizing their builds to do their job so I would call that a fake dps.
It's easy to do a lot of damage with just craft able sets, there's no reason not to be able to do decent damage.
@@TheBassteban nobody cry about fake dps only fake tank. I don't know why
Your humor is so good I laugh more times than I usually do watching UA-cam.
You also have great advise and I can completely sympathize with you on many levels.
Great content, I have to subscribe. Thanks for being awesome!
I remember when I was called out as fake tank even though :
-Has ice staff with sword & board
-40k+ hp
-Deal no damage
-Always used CC in groups of enemies
-Blocked most of the time
Because one dd kept using a taunt attack as a spammable
Just at work. Slow day at the private airport. I have to say your videos are extremely good. You put a lot of effort and time into them. Your voice pitch is soothing to hear, and it's just a great overall experience watching your videos.
It's all a mixed bag, of life experiences.
Thoughtful and awesome vid!
I'm part of a four guild... guild.
One Discord, with a good amount of group events, and they help organize "dungeons with guildies" where everyone signs up with level, dungeons and experience.
Thank you for making this video. I played Vanilla on PS4 back in the day and was very active before the Tamriel One update. After they changed Vet 16 to CP160 a lot of things changed, a lot for the better. But as someone who WAS the dungeon runner for my guild, I was deeps/heals back then and have always loved the slash roles since. I am forever trying to do more GROUP oriented things. I was CC and AoE damage and heals with my original Sorc. I had a Wood Elf Nightblade that was magicka heals. Lol.
Once I started leaning into classes and started doing more Vet content I started getting more and more into the harder content and getting better gear.
Then I lost interest...
I recently started back up and fell in love with the Necro class. I made another Deeps/healer character and loved him so much I made a healer tank.
On both Necros I provide so much group function it's insane. My healer has more deeps than most randoms, so if we're just taking down trash mobs I can clear the room and use the bodies to keep my team up. But deeps get mad I'm out deepsing them at heals and they leave. If I'm tank healing the group on Vet content the healer gets mad and quits. I've had deeps mad that tank isn't doing more deeps and asked me why I have group heals in my "kit".
I've joined Vet content as tank with an Oakensoul build queued as Healer calling me trash cuz we wiped on the first boss cuz he queued as heals with one mediocre burst heal.
Frequently even on Normal the deeps can't stand I am trying to keep the healer and other deeps alive before they can race me to the boss, skipping all the chests and heavy sacks in the dungeon.
Even when I go to random Vet content the supposed HEALER runs off and grabs aggro and is mad at the tank for not speed running.
If you're on Sony that wants good heals and good tank, lmk!
Thank you for making a video on this topic. This explained my experience. I didn't start doing start doing four player dungeons until I was level 500 (because of bad experiences with zero tolerance players) until some guildies in the guild I was in explained the mechanics of the dungeon as we went through it. It changed my whole perspective on dungeons. I found watching UA-cam videos explaining the mechanics of the dungeon helped. I also ran through a dungeon backwards when we finished to learn that particular map. Love your videos and I look forward to the next one!
one time the dungeon finder dropped me in vet falkreath hold where the tank was wearing the harpooner's wading kilt and told me (the healer) to run in first because he couldn't be taking direct damage or else he would lose dps.... queued as the "tank"
As a dps i know i feel the pressure of not doing enough to help the group. Been kicked from many groups for that reason. But i continue to play because i love ESO.
Thanks for putting this out there. My few experiences with random groups have generally been good, but I can't say that it's an aspect of the game that I'm particularly thrilled with. That's more about the way I like to play than any gripes about the dungeon finder system, though.
I was tanking a vet dungeon got to the last boss and was booted they invited their friend to get the helm. I hunted 2 of them in cyrodil and killed them honestly close to a hundred times, maybe more. The other on is in my faction so I cannot touch them. After over two years I got a whisper and told them they told me that s happens and I told that they will fall over dead every time I see them. Still bitter in 2022.
Appreciate you approaching this from a rational and balanced perspective, not just some nut ranting about fake tanks. People forget that group finder means you will get whatever. They queue in expecting too much.
I've been tanking for years. And youre right, its usually casuals that complain the most and about every imaginable thing under the sun.
Great vid. Like this "talk about eso stuff" format, probably my fav one on eso youtube in general. Also I feel like you, Nefas and Skinny can make any video entertaining. Keep it up!
P.S Remember when dungeons could grant you skins and personalities? Remember trial skins?..
Thank you!!
Man, those were the good 'ol days I don't really PvE much anymore these days, but if zos added neat skins and personalities to dungeon challengers again I'd absolutely get back into it
I'm pretty new to ESO but I love playing this game! In many ways I'm still learning how to do a lot of things so I still haven't gotten up to matchmaking for a dungeon just yet. I'd really like to do some of the tougher dungeons but some of the horror stories I've heard about matchmaking keeps me from queuing up. I know I'm going to have to take the plunge eventually lol. Maybe this new guild I just joined will help with that. Btw your vids are informative and entertaining Thank you and keep up the great work!
There definitely are a lot of wacky horror stories out there, but I should reiterate that they certainly don't happen *all* the time. It's just that when they *do* happen, they stick with ya haha. I'd absolutely recommend running content with your guildies though! Thank you for the kind words!
@@Arttea I definitely give it a go and your welcome!
You dont need to join a guild if yours doesnt provide. Go to a capital city (or the zone craglorn) and just ask in zone chat if people want to clear a certain content with you.
Its an MMO, most issues being said in the video can be solved if people just talk to each other. Quite sad that Zenimax advertises so much on Solo-PvE content that communication isnt a thing anymore for people :/
I would definitely agree that finding a guild with the same interests is probably the best way to go in terms of wanting to get through content. I say probably because (and this is only on the psn side of the game) I've joined countless different guilds that have specific mentalities when it comes to running group content (veteran especially), and at least 50% of them (even some who were just fun made guilds) had a click of people who catered towards meta-related topics, such as having a class, skill, and gear set up to join this and that, already having knowledge on this and that without needing help, and etc. You could just go find a new guild, but who's to say other guilds aren't like that; only one way to find out really? Point is that joining guilds to find like-minded individuals most likely works out best in the long run, but may eventually backfire the more you realize that the guild you joined may be full of secretive toxicity. Other than that, I mainly play as a tank (an actual tank) mostly to deal with the issue of "fake tanking" (a dungeon goes a lot smoother when you actually have someone who can manage to stay put while everyone focuses the taunted target(s) down and knows how to survive while doing so). I also do prefer to have a healer in groups as it really helps out survivability and relieves a lot of stress for the tank and dps, but sometimes I get backlash for having that sort of mentality in my groups verses a group who runs 3 dps and 1 tank. Funny thing is that they are doing Stone Garden HM without a healer and are wiping constantly because they're so focused on meta, but my group with a healer manages to get the full clear (all HM's with the speed run and a few deaths on the last boss). I'm not against the term "meta" by mean when it comes to finishing content, but if someone wants to get jealous of me not doing stuff the intended / "meta" way, then that's where I'd draw the line there. I play the game my way and I (and my groups) have done just as good as someone (and their groups) who follows meta. Anyways, been loving your content. Keep up the amazing work as always, and for anyone who reads this, I hope you all have a good day.
I dont play it so I'm sure someone can explain it better than me, but I know FF14 dungeons have like a leaf icon next to a players name if it's their first time in the dungeon to let players know they're likely watching cutscenes and dont know mechanics. Would love that for ESO. I fake healer whenever I do RNDs but if people say theyre new I'll pop up armory and swap, would love to be able to tell who's new at a glance.
FF14 seems to have some good game and tutorial mechanics
Ayo that is a pretty genius idea. Take notes zos
Just recently started watching your videos. Love your content and how you explain everything, keep up the good work!
I'm one that dislikes the fake role experience, but not overly worried as long as they don't make me work harder as a healer to keep them alive due to their lack of ability to fake it. My favorite is when the fake tank hits a DLC and gives the "Oh shit, I don't know why I'm marked as a tank" comment and leaves. I recently did a vMOS run with a fake tank - we died lots, but I stuck it out with the guys cause they really wanted to clear it.
You were right, if you want to avoid that situation, run with friends if you can. :)
Your community actually seems so fucking wonderful, and I genuinely hope I make friends like you guys during my eso adventures.
Thank you for the encouraging video! Definitely can relate to most of what you covered and trying to stay positive while learning ;)
I just got back into ESO after a year and a half absence due to me having to budget and not able to afford ESO+ anymore. Now that I'm back, I do see why I loved it so much. What mind-numbing repetition it is that just makes me feel content. Rejoined my old trading guild and I'm making money, hand over fist.
But wow, the amount of fake roles I've seen. Not even new players. I've been around since beta and I can still tell the difference between who is a newbie learning the ropes and who is just a highly skilled yet arrogant vet. I've run into fake roles before, but they were rare. I've been actually actively tracking my times and getting a ratio down, but I'm sitting close to a 72% of the dungeons I've been queuing up in to have a fake role (more data needed). If it's an easy enough base dungeon, okay, I might stick around if this player doesn't run too far ahead. But if they're half way across the map before I even get a chance to load in, I'm not sticking around.
I honestly prefer to play with newbies who don't know what they're doing over some self-inflated ego. I'm very patient and I have fun showing players the ropes. I like to give them advice, maybe craft some gear for them for free, and just let them know there's players out there who do respect their time and want them to have fun.
My expectations for PUGs are low and they're simply just thus: You que with random people, show a little respect for them. They're also people, all with their own stories and problems. Stick together and try to support one another as best you can. You don't have to be great or amazing, just do your best to show that little bit of respect.
What an excellent video. Thanks! Appreciate everything you were saying and have experienced my share of crap in dungeons from wow and later the initial version of this game. I quit eso around 2016 cause of intimidation etc. but decided to try it again late last fall. Just got back into dungeons via the undaunted event. Cheers!
My only complaint as a newer ESO player on an Xbox One is loading in late and then not being able to catch up to my team mates before the dungeon's done. It's happened twice on Fungal Grotto. It sucks, but I'd take this over getting teamkilled in other games any day.
Fungal Grotto 1 , you can skip half the bosses in the dungeon and complete it. So, someone speed running can clear it extremely fast especially if they have high DPS.
I had not done dungeons since I got back into playing but have done a few of Grotto now for the Undaunted event going on. The first time in doing so the "tank" just ran ahead to bosses and left everyone for dead after we revived after that first fight come back realize it is like that just run to bosses made it more bearable.
Ah yeah, I'd imagine that it must be a real trip for new or returning players to venture into the event dungeons while the undaunted celebration is going on, given how most people want to just speedrun them
been playing again for a few days leveling a new character. done a lot of dungeons and i have not had a single problem. everyone is going at a good pace. saying hello sometimes and gg sometimes.
I have a completely different mindset from those mentioned in this video. If I’m going slowly in a dungeon, or trying to complete a quest, that’s my problem. I’m not going to tell people to slow down, I need to keep up. Match the pace of the group, and if you can’t, it’s on you.
In Story mode and Chill mode guild we try to respect everyone and they way of play we do have fast runs but only if group is up for it as for applyng plz read guild message we dont accept empty req cos we try to avoid meta toxic players rushers or general players that came not knowing what kind of guild we are.We had our share of trolls and so we accept only req that has some info of why you want to join:All are welcome and we do try our best to teach and help anyone asking for help: Great vid btw i rly enjoying waching you and you hit the mark here and just noticed few fellow guildmembers commented here aswell ;)
I recommend any player to communicate their intentions at the start of the dungeons.
Most speedrunners and solo-artists will slow down their pace and scout the area for treasure chests. DLC-content is different though. I can understand the tendency to tilt, simply because of how long it can take to queue up for these. They are best approached with discipline.
I’ll stop fake tanking when I can’t solo my random normal daily faster than the group can. If I could get the xp bonus by myself I’d do it alone. I never say anything to anyone but I’m not trying to spend 40 minutes in City of Ash 2 because I queue for a random normal daily and our group dps is 15k. Basically have to choose between sitting in a queue forever or in a dungeon forever.
This.... When fake tanking and healing I always make sure to have inner rage / a group heal to fullfil the most basic role jobs, and being experienced I can keep myself alive without any kind of help, but don't expect me to come with my true tank and then eat the keyboard out of frustration when the group has 15k dps despite me running golded meta gear and correctly maintaining all the buffs and debuffs....
I do wait for peeps who have the quest and I never run ahead, link all my gear at the end, but I don't take kindly to people still complaining about me faking.
I just got to level 10 and this helped me know what to expect thank you
Great advice, as a newish PUG runner, this was quite helpful :). I've also seen some good videos explaining things like why positioning is important, which has been eye opening. One minor suggestion: the colors of text and background on your chapters make (yellow/white) make it really hard to read. Either way, love the content.
Thank you for your fresh approach and great delivery on a sensitive subject. I also watched the other video you made and spoke about. I subbed and thumbs up your channel and hope you will continue making videos.
I love guild runs, especially for pledges because some vet are very eazy. I usually tank, heal and dps with templar and rest of group is dps. When you understand boss meh everything becomes easy mode. For random que I always use my tank and sometimes is very frustrating. Like when low level players playing something they are not ready, or totally ignoring meh, or run in front of me and making chaos for me with adds..and even worse is when you trying to explain someone boss meh in dlc content and than he just leave group. Public groups are worse, best to play in prime time so you actually have chances to find good groups.
All those points i find valid. TBH, treat others as you would like to be treated. With respect and patience.
I queued for my first pug after your feedbak discussion video. I only did it because, you know, event tickets....
The healer ran off like they were alone. The tank, well idk what the heck they were doing. The other DD and i did most of the work in cleaning up after the healer.
I play every day.
I am a member of a guild and we've been running organised dungeon and trial events regularly for maybe the last 4 to 5 months. The groiup have been so, so good in helping me and even running some of their events at a time i can make it to (they are in Europe, I'm in Australia). With their support i've been able to branch into healing and now tanking, but i am yet to experience all the dungeon and trial content, so don't feel confident in taking my healer or tank into a pug.
Update 35 messed with some of my builds to a degree that made me feel like just not logging in anymore. However on discussion via discord, i was given some suggestions from more experienced players which helped. I still take a little longer to kill enemies, and my sustain/squishiness still needs work - but i think those are things almost all players are adapting to.
I recently joined another guild, mainly to be able to trade, but several of them seem really nice too - so who knows what will happen!
If i stay away from pugs, my only other grumble is about some of the language in zone chat - oh and players running in and stealing chests that i was clearly running to (you know, those sneaky buggers who go invisible and suddenly appear).
PVP zones are something i'm only beginning to understand - so i'll leave my grumbles from there alone for now.
one thing i would recommend to ZOS would be to update the finder to allow you to queue with 2 people and 2 companions. Reducing the number of people required from 4 to 2., since the game hasnt really been updated for the addition of companions. Other thing I think the Dungeon finder should be split up into base game normal, base game vet, DLC normal, DLC vet, so you can choose the "difficulty" level of your random....aka if I am gonna "fake tank" then I queue up for base normal only.... where as properly formed team could queue up for other options.
The problem sometimes is they have made it to where esos content has been made easy iv only tanked since launch and there are dungeons that a random team couldn't pass a mid boss bc they had to get good learn to beat a boss now you can throw Necro leech and azure and tank can solo every mob and slowly kill a boss unless a one shot that requires a teammate is there and still be a doing everything a tank should do . Last few years I only q for random dungeons 30 times before I get off. give a tank something to tank have something to tank in a dungeon.hardest think iv fought in a dungeon is bugs that make me logout to block again
Great vid ! 2 questions - which motif is the knight looking armor and which one is the graphics preset ? Ty !
That knightly chestpiece is the "House Dufort Banneret Cuirass" style page, and I am using royale reshade: www.nexusmods.com/elderscrollsonline/mods/144
@@Arttea TY !
Didn't expect the wholesome story at the end, damn.
I can't help checking every container I can and have many items I'd like to sell. Getting in to a guild is probably my next step. I have been reluctant to join some randos on the internet though. Thanks for the info. I have a bunch of building material to sell thanks to your other videos. -- in the beginning I deleted that stuff to make room
I had a CP 11 and a CP 145 DPS's in Vet Crypt of Hearts 2 yesterday. Definitely not enough DPS and they loved to stand in stupid. But me (the healer) and the tank just figured out how to carry them threw it. It was frustrating, but a good learning experience at the same time.
I remember the first time I did a dungeon on ESO. Eso was my first mmorpg so I had no clue how to actually do the roles, I kinda figured you just queued up as the role you wanted and it’d work out lol. I had queued up as a 2h tank with no taunt, because I didn’t even know what “taunting” was 😅
I play ESO about once a year for a month, and sub, every time they release a new expansion. I love the stories and quests, the delves and the public dungeons. However, I've always had disappointed experiences with the Dungeon Finder in game. At CP960 I sometimes will solo the easier base game normal dungeons with my companions if I need mats or things to sell.
This video, and the in game undaunted event, inspired me to try the dungeon queue. After about 20min in queue on NA servers I get a group for Vet Eden Hollow II. The group gets to the first room, everyone's health bars are good, no issues with the CP1700+ tank holding aggro, but halfway through clearing that first room, someone says "DPS seems low" and leaves group. We finish clearing the room no issues with only 3 and a companion. The tank asks if we should look for another, but the healer leaves, so then the tank does as well.
So 20min waiting and 10min of group play for about 10g and a couple rubedo leather. Will I try this again anytime soon? No thanks.
Only random pug for the crystals. And since I can only play base game dungeons, if I stick to normal dungeons, I can solo any of them that don't have anti-solo mechs, so roles really don't effect it much.
Now move onto vet dungeons, roles matter alot.
I fake tank on content that doesn't require a tank, example is nfg1(normal fungal grotto 1). But normally on most vet content i wouldn't suggest it. Depends on what vet content it is and I may queue as a healer as a dps but only when I can throw out a solid heal. Example of this is as a sorc with twilight matriarch. It all varies and depends on what kind of healing will be required but normally I like 3 dps and 1 tank.
I started playing a few months ago and have really enjoyed the game. Seeing build guides and putting together a list of equipment to get and researching how to get it has been very fun but when it comes to running the dungeons the experience has been overwhelming. I've only run about 30 of them so far and every time has been a speed run where I often miss the quest or get lost/left behind. On the few times I have been paired with lower levels I still feel way out of my depth.
Thank you for this video, I was one of those who stated how bad my experience was with Pug dungeons being more like speedruns then trying to enjoy the content in said dungeon. I have joined guilds like you suggested. My issue with them is they either require you pay them or w/e it is or require you to log in before a certain number of days pass. Which I totally understand needing to make space for others to join so kicking the people you think aren't coming back anytime soon or at all makes sense.
I understand its pugs its randoms you can't control what type of group you are going to get. Its just kind of heartbreaking to get excited to do a dungeon for the first time but then its just another speedrun and that first experience is taken away and ruined. Another MMO I play FF14 has this issue as well not to the extreme ESO does. Even then though you will see wall to wall pulls and hell depending on the dungeon. first pull all the way to the first boss which is many many many many twists and turns and lot of enemies. Which if you are a sprout (A new player with a sprout icon next to their name indicating they are a new player though that can also appear next to a Veterans name if they make a new character) Can ruin that first time experience as well.
One way FF14 is tackling this issue maybe indirectly is by adding solo with ai companions. That way people wanting to play it like a more singleplayer FF experience can do that or to eliminate que times for certain roles who have longer ones like the DPS. It has let me stand around do other things like read notes left by dead adventurers or what have you and learn more about how creepy this dungeon whos theme is happy go lucky but has a dark secret. I understand both games are MMOs but it would be fun none the less. Thank you again for your video and sorry for the paragraphs @.@.
Watching this, you know what might help? A filter in the dungeon finder, to select, for example, a "casual", "experienced", "speed run" or "quest" playstyle. Doesn’t seem impossible to implement. Of course, you could still end up with toxic people in the group.
I've had dps run to the end boss while myself (the tank) and friend healer get left behind to deal with ads then get mad that we dont reset because he forgot to set the dungeon to hardmode after we get the boss halfway down in health.
i respect the bow bow nb build :D . On a side note I've noticed a lot of people complain about poor dungeon experiences, but they tend to never say anything and just expect people to run it at their pace. I know for myself i've done most of them so many times i just turn my brain off and vibe to some music, but have never had any problem slowing down if someone voiced it, nor had any problems explaining any mechanics i had an understanding of, but most of the time people don't voice anything. in fact, i stopped just openly asking if people knew mechanics or trying to explain them after the hundredth time of being told they knew what they were doing and not to tell them how to play to only watch them die to the same mechanic about ten times XD
Solo pugger here. I can pug/solo all the dungeons, so I stay with the tank, regardless. If they struggle, I’ll take agro and burn that boss. The only neg is when people sprint through (which,is fine for for farming) the slows get killed by the trailing adds and don’t get res’d. this is my main gripe in pugging. The other issue is players doing the quest the first time get left behind. I stay with them so they can complete quest a bit easier. The changes eachnpatch don’t bother me, I play for,fun and it’s a level playing field. Luv your vids. Cheers.
Haha, I fake tanked during this entire event, haven't had a complaint yet. 100K+ DPS on Normal Run, typically means things don't live long enough to kill anyone in the group. And I am slotting inner rage to taunt the bosses and stuff on me. I can keep myself alive and I pull the heat off of any noobs. I think I died once during the entire event so far. FWIW, I'm only doing this once per day to get my tickets, and I'm not fake tanking after that one run. I'll run with guildies when the ask for it, but queue as DPS (unless asked to.) And I'm not fake tanking in a vet dungeon.
I joined a dungeon once and I loaded in at the entrance, the team must have been at the end room because I spent 10 minutes running towards the pips only to be kicked the second I finally caught up with them
as a tank and healer myself i perfer to play the way i like to do dungeons as a magic user tank
When I want to do the quest or do the secret boss I just say it at the start of the dungeon, I think a lot of ppl don't want to interact with others and just have a bad experience bcs they don't say anything. Usually, when I say first time here or doing quest, the others players slow their pace or explain mechs... And for the meanies out there well, we all started like a crappy dps/tank/healer... When I get those kind of people if I have the crown I just kick them c; or at least I try to defend the others... But well that's me at least
Great video as always
So true, I mean, the group chat exists for a reason right? Any time I have plugged a dungeon and had the quest I've always just given my teammates a heads up in the group chat and they've always been accommodating!
Everytime I have 2heads in the group that complain about a low CP DD or inexperienced healer, or just blame the healer for running ahead in a vet dlc dungeon and dying when the tank (me) was still in a loading screen coz of my toaster, I always defend the players and/or roast the 2 head, with facts and logic. I just don't want anyone get scared to queue for more random vets, and anyone that complains in a random vet lost their grip to reality. like seriously if you queue for a random vet you should fully expect and accept a slow group
Argonian erp? That's disgusting... where is it? (asking for a friend) 😆 very well made video, liked the encouraging words towards those with bad experiences 👍
My boredom sack is engorged
One of my first dungoens was also Wayrest Sewers. I got stuck in the wall and didn't know how to get out ;)
You had me at "Argonian RP guild". Subscribed.
I love dungeons! Let's gooo!!!
hahah good video yet again!
I always tell group chat if I have to do the quest or speed run. Only time I wanted to nope out was when our tank bitched I didn't heal him enough and let him die. Except he was the only one dying. the dps guys were fantastic. Now I only do dungeons in guild groups.
Yeah fake que tilts me so hard, so now my back bar is s&b and I reached 30k health and 25k mana on my healer e.e
Late to the video, but the topic is evergreen. When I was more committed to ESO I would try to join guilds that took a less stiff or frantic approach to dungeons, but the whole "not enough time to commit to guilds" thing has been very true for a while now. Plus, that means keeping up with inflation in-game and whatever the ever-shifting meta is for the game also is a deterrent. I wonder how the group finder feature is doing to help people of like mind or goals find each other for activities like this. Always seems kinda dead when I check it (for all activities, not just dungeons)
I had only been tanking for about 2 weeks, just doing simple dungeons to practice, when my level 20 friend asked me to do the daily random with him, I was pretty sure we'd get something easy, so I agreed. Of course we ended up with a mechanics heavy, extremely long dlc dungeon. The other DPS and healer were together, he was a glass cannon and she only healed him, I didn't know the mechanics and I spent more time trying to keep myself and my friend healed, instead of tanking. The glass cannon DPS ranted at us about his great DPS numbers and our bad performance. We only wiped once at the final boss, before I was able to realize the problem, but after that it was months before I would consider queuing for the daily random as a tank. I still primarily run dungeons with a small group of close friends.
I’m new and playing catch up . I basically play solo because I’m trying to understand gameplay and character build. I hope to join guild eventually and have some experienced players school me on gameplay. Have fun see ya out there!
Been playing for years and have always played tank but I still have situations where people leave the group or something because I like to test builds and playstyles. I’m on console so I don’t exactly have all the tools pc has with addons for testing so I have to run content for my testing.
I have had issues with running double frost staff because people who don’t tank think you have to have sword and shield. Also I have many times tried off meta sets like azureblight or other random damage sets and I even have some tank builds that out damage most dps and I get called a fake tank a lot even though I’m not. People don’t realize how little health and resistance you need as a tank, the most important thing is sustain and block mitigation. I have even had issues trying to run defensive sets like a build I made recently running grave guardian, imperium, and lord warden because the groups wouldn’t stay in my auras even though I told them to
So long as you can get the job done, I don't see why anyone should have any issue with how you go about doing it. I wouldn't give two shits if the tank in my group pulled up naked (owo) and tanked with dual bows man, so long as they could actually hold aggro and stay alive (bonus points if they can group shit together), then I'd be a happy camper. Ofc, this is an exaggeration, I'd be amazed if it was possible to tank efficiently like this lmao, but ya get the point ;p It amazes me that people care so much about the methodologies of other players, especially when there isn't an issue present. If people have that much of an issue, again, I'd really recommend running with friends instead.
@@Arttea for sure but try going into a dungeon with 30k health and a frost staff and see how often someone instantly leaves the group it’s insane. You don’t need 50k health for anything in this game but people are so used to seeing common beginner builds with tons of bulk and thinking it’s some sort of requirement but I have found from my years of tanking that the better I get the less I need and can go more into damage and sustain. My favorite build right now runs all medium and light armor and with the right group it’s great
9/10 out of ten. When I ask to slow down or not to pull a lot. I get bitched at and sometimes kicked from the group. I've completed every dungeon. But I couldn't tell you anything about them because I couldn't do the quest
I do have an Idea
As of now, random dungeons force you to have 1 Tank, 1 healer and 2 dds. What If There is a new Register, where you can choose any role and its about "Speed-running" (Just getting through quickly)
I do pugs quite regularly to get the undaunted daily reward, so I do em quite fast. But I always say "hi" in the group chat, to show people that I listen and read the chat. But most of the time no one responds and never had I anyone say "I'm new" or "I wanna do the quest".
So please please say a word. I don't wanna be mean, but if I just wanna grab the daily reward I don't have the time to get into everybodys brain to maybe figure out if someone wants to go slow.
I main a healer, but when I'm doing randoms I find myself out dpsing the dps more often than not AND tanking. At this point my standards for pugs are so low that if the tank has a taunt and the dps use abilities, it's a good random. I kind of wish there was a ranking system like for bgs where queue can prioritize matching you with people with similar experience levels. I know a lot of supports that have gotten burnt out from pugs that take half an hour to clear Tempest. It's not fun when just about every single dungeon, you get stuck with players who have never done content before.
I do a bunch of mech & story runs in my guild that have a great reception because (most) people want to feel like they're contributing to the team and learning mechs is a great way to do that. I've heard FFXIV has a queue mode for "teaching runs" that I think ESO would benefit greatly if they stole. A lot of the new players I encounter are either scared of group content because they don't know it and don't want to be a burden, or had a bad experience with pugs that didn't want to teach that content. A lot of kore experienced players I know don't want to run content because they're tired of teaching the same dungeons/trials to randoms.
ESO has very little immediate incentive to teaching new players and I think that's one of the things that causes the greatest skill disparity between casual and end game players, since most of the burden of teaching new players falls on the community.
I've had great succes with the message : "GET A TAUNT" art the end of the DG when dealing a with a fake tank. It won't stop them but they seem to get mad and that's not nothing.
I do wish people would slow down but farming gear myself I understand. I wish there were 2 types of queues. A “quick run” and like a first time run for slowing down.
Lol I’ve had some great stories though from my time running dungeons. I have a solo build which is pretty well. One time there was a boss that our tank couldn’t take the damage for and our party was I think a bit lower level than me or just not use to pve content which is fine, they were talkative and fun to play with, but at this boss that all got killed. I survived as I was soloing the Dungeon before hand but was in the queue to speed up the grind for the set I wanted. I managed to kill it on my own and man they were all so excited it was great. We beat the dungeon after that, it was fun
I've been accused of being a fake tank before... when I'm running a Nord DK tank build... however I'm still relatively new to the game (~ 2 months of playing)... Sometimes I can't keep agro... *sigh*
Yeah that always bums me out whenever I see stuff like that happen. Everyone's perception of what a tank should be differs, so it's kind of silly to me to hear people throw that term around, as it can lead to situations such as the one that has happened to you.
icestaff and lightningstaff is the best weapons to tank
I know this is a older vid but at 3:06 what legs are on that oulfit
Those are abah's watch legs!
My biggest problem is finding a good group to play with, as someone who is happy being an "intermediate" player. I don't enjoy chasing meta or grinding. I join "casual" guilds and am met with "must attain 60k+ DPS to participate" so the trials and veteran dungeons I can't duo with my partner are locked out. We aren't exactly total scrubs either, we can duo portions of Trials and over half the vet dungeons, I run with a magDK wearing Grothdarr, A Mother's Sorrow, and Law of Julianos. When we tried public queuing, every time we'd end up with people who wanted to sprint through the content we were playing for the first time. If we asked to slow down, we'd either get attitude or they'd just drop.
So I guess, my question is, what's the best way to find a guild that's actually chill and wants to run content with players who are experiencing the stories for the first time?
Unfortunately, not every guild is going to feel like "home", and finding that "home" in ESO may take you some time. I've gone through my fair share of guilds in my 4 years of playing; some of those guilds had really unpleasant people in them or even unkind guild masters that imposed these kinds of ridiculous rules and requirements (for me, it was that I wasn't allowed to attend trials because I played a stamDPS). I would encourage you to continue seeking out that home by reading some of the guild descriptions in the guild finder (and applying to ones that resonate with you) or asking around among your groups of friends to see if they have any recommendations. What you have shared with me is more than enough damage to be able to comfortably complete vet dungeons. ESO U's (linked in description) "project vitality" initiative may also not be a bad idea if you are keen to get into raiding but are struggling to find a raiding community that will accept you. Don't be discouraged if it takes you a bit of time, but there really are great communities out there!
@@Arttea Thank you so much for the reply and all your informative videos. I have improved as a trader in game quite a bit from your content! =) I'll keep looking for that home.
Which platform and server do you play?
Take a look at the guild Brahwegotthis has. We don't hear from Adam himself very often, but the community is wonderful and very helpful. I'm on PC EU.
You're so wholesome Art! Yeah I've had only one bad experience thankfully, but I've seen other people in my pugs when I played ESO that got called names and so on. That's what happens in most if not all mmos out there lol. Sad :c
Oh man, name calling is an insta-ignore for me I don't have the patience to be berated when I'm just tryna chill and get some undaunted keys. But yeah for sure, definitely something that happens in most games; it isss what it isss 😩
There are still good people that will help you out. i started tanking recently because i hate waiting an hour to get into the dailies. im not the best tank wen it comes to mechs but there are still people out there willing to help, i know i need to switch sets using my armourer at this point and try different builds i can get through most dungeons besides some hard DLC ones. i run winters respite jewls belt sword with leaching from ICP and bloodlord embrace mythic i really do like that set up but it does not work for me in graven deep
I did dungeons as a dps since my first day in eso just for exp only problem i had at beginning that people always rush and u need to do a quest but i knew they did it many times and they just want to do it as fast and basically never got problems with RND.
As a old school tank, I love rando's, it reinforces skills.
I have a starter guild with no obligations and free bank, on top of that i am master crafter who crafts freely for starter guildsmates. This guild is all about casual experience. I enjoy to run Dungeons with inexperienced players and patiently explaining where need to. Guildname is Petrochemical alchemists on ps4 EU. (Just started so still small)
Yup, I solo pillar or Nirn and the others that are solo able. My play time is too random.
Except I keep a 1 to 49 level character just to run a random once a day for the quick 10 crystals. After they hit 50 I park em and make another.
It’s rare to find people trying to help. I was pulling a guild mate as the two DD’s. But the tank and healer were cool and we got my guild mate his first vet hard mode. But I did tell him that it’s rare to find a random group that’ll do that.
Thank you you are spot on! It’s not about the casuals vs the elite it’s about 1 person expecting three other people to do what they want in the way they want to do it. I have experienced people like this from both sides. It’s just individual spoilt brats.
Group majority should rule and just accept it is what is. Don’t pug if you don’t like it. Though I would still like to see us be a little more caring towards the newer players on the scale of things.
I completely recognize the "fake role" issue as a new player. I'm still learning my classes. So in the beginning actually knowing what DPS, healer and tank roles in a dungeon were while I was a level 10/20.... yeah..... not that easy. Even knowing about meta builds, the ideal builds, etc.... Unless you've done loads of reading up upfront, how would you know?
Thanks again for a wonderful video! They're always very interesting :)
Exactly. I've been DPSing for a while on PUGs, and I recently saw a video that explained why positioning (tank on one side, dps then healer opposite side) is so important in game mechanics. Never knew until they explained it.
Helping each other learn improves everyone's skills, and having more skilled PUG players shortens queue times :)
@@Hrafnskald exactly!
Good to see ya doing ERP in LOTR Online. I'm malding & ERPing in SWTOR.
I'm a main tank with some DPS toons and a healer toon. I generally have a mostly positive experience on PC NA personally with most pugs with only a few outliers. My usual mindset in pugs though is that by doing it, I pretty much agree that I'm okay with whatever kind of player I'm getting, be it inexperienced, speedrunners, relaxed, irl responsibilities, etc. If I want a specific experience I'll search for people for that experience, namely when I want to try content for the first time with exploration and learning from nothing in mind.
I do remember that among my negative experiences though were from when I was an inexperienced tank. I'd occasionally get some pretty rough berating for not tankin properly, it has ruined Moonhunter Keep forever for me when I had just unlocked DLC dungeons and was going through them for the first time, even if by today's standards I can run it on normal as casually as I would a base game dungeon. But I've also seen some people throw mud the other way around too for fake roling even if everything went fine (heck last night we ended up in a 4 DPS moongrave fane and it got absolutely shredded to bits).
As far as I'm concerned, I dont have an issue with a fake tank when I play my DPS so long as we get through content, or a speedrunner, I'll just run along and get a quicker clear than usual. My only problem really comes when the person behind the screen is just being awful to others for any reason it may be. At the end of the day everyone is just human. Some fake tanks are still confident content can be cleared, some others may feel bad when they realize things aren't going smooth as they thought. Inexperienced players maybe just want a bit of advice. Some speedrunners maybe only have a limited amount of time per day. Attacking other players doesn't clear content.
I'd like to add that for some people it's not just the not wanting to engage with other individuals or joining a guild. I found some pretty fun and kind hearted people in my current guild, but they are all like CP 2k something and for me personally just asking to run a dungeon so I can farm like a set is huge as I'm really bad at asking for help in general, but I feel like I just waste everyones time if I fail mechanics, which I will, because I avoid every harder challenge out of fear to piss people off. And well, the dungeon finder is a no go as well for anything vet or dlc related as I just am not capable enough. The base game regular dungeons are okay, I've duoed them actually with just a DD and me as a heal. So yeah, I'm kinda struggeling haha
For those on xbox eu I can recommend Crystal Crusaders, a trading and social guild. The guild is very casual friendly and reliably has a trader in Elden Root.
I get Queuing as a fake tank is frowned upon but like I play solo and don’t have a guild so I’m often left with the decision of either wait an hour to to go in as DPS or get a group in 30 seconds going as a “tank” so idk
just started, and im going through the samething i bought necrom chapter start doing the quest for dungeon and man i cant get a break to collect lore or even figure out want the hell to do... got mob all the time 2k cp player running through dungeon i jus quit
Thank you. I've played eso on and off since launch. I enjoy soloing a lot, but sometimes I feel like some social. In solo play, I die maybe once a year if I don't understand a boss' tactics. Anyway, I fking hate dungeons. Years ago I seem to do okay in them but something has changed in the last few years. I tried one the other night and after a few people died, everyone just left. Why they didn't resurrect? Maybe it's my older age, but I feel many players who don't get their way immediately, just quit and look for another instance. jmho
The only dungeon I run past everything in is fungal grotto bc I wanna get it done asap bc it sucks