Kalashnikov USA KP-9: A Perfect Copy of the Russian Vityaz SMG
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The PP-19-01 Vityaz is a development of the PP-19 Bizon, a submachine gun developed by Izhmash at the request of the Russian Interior Ministry in the early 1990s. The Bizon design team included the sons of both Mikhail Kalashnikov and Evgeniy Dragunov, and they created a well-designed unlocked blowback adaptation of the AK system using a 64-round helical drum magazine and chambered for the 9x18mm Makarov cartridge. In actual use, the magazine proved unreliable (shocking...) and in the early 2000s a new version was developed based on the experience with many iterations of the Bizon.
This new version was the Vityaz, chambered for 9x19mm Parabellum and using a conventional 30-round double stack, double feed polymer magazine. It was made as a select fire submachine gun, but also offer in semiauto form on the civilian market as the Saiga-9. Kalashnikov USA is manufacturing a virtually indistinguishable copy here as the KP-9 pistol (or KP-9 rifle, with a 16 inch barrel). The example in this video is a KP-9 that has been registered as a short-barreled rifle and fitted with the appropriate side-folding stock to duplicate the form of a Vityaz.
Thanks to Kalashnikov USA for providing the KP-9 for this video!
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Russian government: "We need a compact submachine gun that we can use for police work."
Izmash: "So you want tiny AK, yes Comrade? Very well, we make tiny AK for tiny boolet."
Ржу
Stupid joke
Is bigger boolit just slower
Looks like a cross between an mp5 and a ak74U
@@kylemiles448 in future there will be pill that grows sense of humor, comrade
I have a couple of things to say about this gun. While I do not own it myself, many of my friends do. In Russia this gun - as Saiga 9 - has been extensively used by IPSC shooters for PCC matches. In fact for a long time this was the only gun available on the russian market that suited the purpose. We have very few 9mm ARs and Kurbatov 9mm have only recently become available (I suppose you haven't yet heard of Kurbatov 9mm) and those at a high price. So russian IPSC shooters went the familiar path of customizing and fine-tuning one more AK for their purposes. This time - Saiga 9.
What came to light was a major problem with the gun. As you can imagine sport shooters are capable of putting in an enormous roundcount and fast. In less then a year some of the first Saigas had many thousands of rounds put through them. It turned out that somewhere around 5000 rounds on average a nasty thing happens. The top right rail in the reciever on which the bolt carrier rides on gets cracked and then torn up.
The ammount of speculations as to why it happens has been overwhelming. The Izhmash factory has never been known to be user friendly and too eager to help civilian shooters with their warranty claims. They tend to blame the user for anything that happens. But the common theory in the sports shooting community is that the bolt carrier has too much weight on top, making it unbalanced and when the gun cycles it doesn't ride directly back but also a little bit up, which applies torque to the rails. With time this force cracks the top right rail in the reciever. The gun will keep cycling even with this part of the rail cracked and torn but it is obviously unsafe.
The factory at first said improper installation of aftermarket modifications such as custom handguards are to blame. Supposedly, users pressed out the trunion pin to do this and that led to improper headspacing. But then they themselves introduced a version of Saiga 9 with the same most popular sporting handguard from one of the leading local manufacturers installed from the factory. And the gun still had the same problem even when they did this themselves. For the army and police 5000 rounds is all they will ever shoot out of a gun in a lifetime. For an IPSC shooter this is a year of active training and the gun goes out the window.
To cut it short. The solution has been finally introduced from both ends. On front end of the dust cover you can see three rivets. The middle one protrudes on the inside of the gun. The role of this rivet protruding on the inside of the gun is to be in contact with the bolt carrier preventing it from shifting upwards and tearing the reciever rail. Sports shooters started laser welding metal to the downside of the rivet until the contact with the bolt carrier was positive. A friend of mine @ivanrom did this to his gun which already has the reciever rail broken and the gun keeps working no problem. Some people drilled and tapped a hole in the dust cover and put a screw in instead of the pin so that they can adjust the downward pressure on the bolt carrier. The factory basically did the same thing adjusting the rivet. This will probably make the gun run a little longer. But it is still a so-so solution.
So basically what I want you to check out if you own this gun is - does your dust cover have this rivet and does the bolt carrier positively contacts the rivet when the dust cover is closed? The rivet has to leave a scratch mark on the bolt carrier. Otherwise you're likely to run into the same problem after a few thousands of rounds. If you want to see how it looks check this video and on 5:08 you can clearly see what I am talking about - ua-cam.com/video/5DOKOJFASHE/v-deo.html
Here Saiga 9 is the cheapest option so many people just bought a new gun and didn't bother fixing it. I don't think this gun is so cheap in US. I hope Kalashnikov USA has properly introduced the same fix to their guns and I hope their quality control and warranty service are better than those of their russian colleagues. Good luck to you with this gun =).
With all the kinks ironed out, I can see this SMG as a good competitor to the MP5.
Yes, the MP5 is a Rolls-Royce, but Rolls-Royces are expensive with lower tolerances. In addition, a lot of countries cannot afford thousands of H&Ks.
I am impressed with this SMG. I would feel comfortable to go on duty with it. No question about it.
This very useful information is also very well presented. I'm impressed by your writing skills. Your grammar is better that many Americans, and your overall writing is exceptionally clear. From your name I assume English is a second language. I wish my fellow Americans would pay as much attention to their language as you do.
do that apply to the saiga 12 030 and 308 wicnhester versions too?
I own both here in italy.
Thanks.
This was super interesting. Idk if you yourself shoot ipsc in Russia, but what would Russian ipsc shooters generally choose if they could pick between the Saiga 9 or an Ar9?
@@civilianuseonly I shoot shotgun IPSC as my primary sport but I have friends who shoot PCC. I believe they would ofcourse choose AR. We have an AR9 available. Problem is its very new on the market here and it costs six times as much as a saiga. So only very rich people can afford it. Most shoot a tuned Saiga 9 because of the price. We also have a locally produced 9 mm carbine Kurbatov. Its about 4 times more expensive than Saiga and its a pretty nice original design using AR trigger group and ergonomics.
It's always nifty to see Russian firearms being talked about on this channel. Good looking gun aswell
gotta celebrate may day somehow, no?
@@ejjaquez9849 We would love to, but quarantine... even 9th of may parade is moved to another date... only aviation part will be on 9th of May.
Literally my first thought when i clicked on the video, and your comment pops up first :)
@@romantech2589 ага
@@ejjaquez9849 the big military parade is no longer held on International Workers Day. That was a Soviet thing. Russia celebrates WW2 Victory on May 9, more or less.
drum mag + army = lot of troubles
drum mag + civilian on shooting range = fun factor turn to 11
Fun factor stops when you got to load that bitch. Used a 75 drum for AKM, damn, it takes a ton of time to load, it weighs a kilo empty, and when you putting a drum where it belongs, it feels like you holding a PKM instead of a rifle after 5 minutes in CQB training.
Correction:fun factor to 11 while shooting, to -1 while reloading the mag
Keter I was just regular line Infantry and my platoon sergeant at Fort Drum had a Beta C Mag. Saw some guys that had their own 60 round SureFire mags too.
I’d rather stick with the 30 round STANAGs, as long as it has a tan anti-tilt follower
im using Norinco drum so reloading is a matter of 2min max... when you know how to do it :) only problem is firing all 75rounds can result in smoking upper handguard on my vz58 but i dont care i have like 20spares
One time I got to try a thompson with a drum mag. I thought it was going to be SO cool. It was not cool. I used the stick mags for the rest of the day.
A reliable drum magazine is the "Better mousetrap" of the gun design world.
More like the Holy Grail
Unless you can somehow load a belt of ammo into a drum without it malfunctioning, I really don't see a solution otherwise.
@@dillonc7955 Well, the RPD doesn't seem that unreliable
replace the radar dome thing on phalanx point defence cannon with a similarly dimensioned ammo drum and you have a perfect home defense gun
@@andrehashimoto8056 It may not keep the right pace with the action as vulcans and the like cycle with electric motors, not blowback.
Vityaz (витязь) means "hero, knight, man-at-arms" in Russian.
DEAAD ASS THIS IS KAPKANS SMG
I thought knight was rytsar'? Or is it one of those cases where you could say "knight" or "soldier" and mean the same thing?
@@JohnSmith-xv2ob Рыцарь(rytsar') comes from german word ritter, vityaz is on older word, comes from the old russian (slavic) language.
@@JohnSmith-xv2ob my Russian isn't the best, but both mean knight.
@@JohnSmith-xv2ob 'Rytsar' is used in Russian only for central and west European knights (German, French, English etc.). Russian knights are usually called 'vityaz' or 'bogatyr'.
ian your camera work has improved so much over the years that old men like me can really see the internals thx so much, hope y'all are safe my day starts with you
EDD mounted, let them come.
Opfor has spot the hostages get ready
*LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED*
Rappelling hostiles are in for a surprise..
The type of comment I was looking for
Friendly operator last operator standing
Y'know, couple hundred years or a couple thousand years, down the line, there's going to be historians weeping with joy for having videos like this.
Praise thee Gun Jesus 🤣🙏💕.
Inb4 censorship dystopia
"They wanted a submachine gun that could lay a lot of fire quickly"
*PPSH-41 eyes glow Soviet Red*
Those were long gone by the 90's. Plus, their cost wasn't worth it.
@@gregoryfilin8040 also old caliber and ppsh was pretty heavy
Mostly too heavy, not to mention the difference in handling/manual of arms.
Listen, if the soviets can manage to make them while getting pelted by the Germans. Won't be a problem. Too heavy? Pfffft Babuska could wield them
* Has vision of Kalashnikov USA releasing a semi-auto 9mm PPSH with a polymer stock covered in picatinny *
* shudders *
Gun Jesus is the best entertainments right now during quarantine I would like to say thanks for these awesome content in this difficulty time
May I offer you an egg in this trying time?
Fun Fact: The Vityaz Magazines have stripper clip guide cutouts on the feed lips to allow 5.45 stripper clips and spoons to feed 10 rounds of 9mm into the mag. It actually works on the K USA mags too.
Oy sweet, now i can get a clip for my mag
Why would someone load a magazine with stripper clips?
@@davidresetarits5616 Cause its more convenient than hand loading individual rounds.
@@WynEvans exactly. Mags are expensive, clips less so. So if you want to carry more ammo then you have mags for, this isn't a bad way to do it. Very clever on their part.
@@DFX2KX crud, even the US Army does it that way!
The wound on finger 8:08 So it's definitely AK
👍
Yeah, those springs suck to get hit with...especially the traditional wound springs
@@GriffXJThese sharp-edged components will also cause some injuries. Maybe there's a first-aid kit
@@kantenklaus9753 A bottle of super-glue in the pistol grip? :-)
Gun Jesus sacrifices for Kalashnikov’s sins.
Ian just spoiled us with an East German MPi-AK-74N. Will he be covering that relic of a rifle soon?
@Josh Ayala I wish I was aware of 7n6 during that time, I would have went broke but I would have been able to build a house with the amount of cases I would have bought so it would have been a win win.
Anyone else getting "fuel filter" ads on these videos?
79.99 cheap!
I feel like at this point, thoes videos are a part of an ATF honey pot lol
@@FakePoloShirt some guys on taufledermaus channel have said they got a nasty phone call or email from Uncle ATF after ordering one.
There’s a lot of these around. Also check Aliexpress for “hydraulic tube” and rifling buttons, chamber reamers and such.
Not since I turned on AdBlock...
Kalashnikov and Dragunov son's working in the same gun
Well that's curious.
Seems to be a robust 9mm platform.
AYEE... they did they're best ok lolol
I'm so excited seeing this covered on this channel! I own a KP-9 and it is a spectacular gun.
My best advice with these kp9/kr9 pistols and rifles, is that if you do not own one, go buy one.
Brian LeFevre Thanks, but now what?
Police arrest me.
It's true 😔
Brian LeFevre Would they make for a good second gun?
How do you respond then, to those guys who think your only self-defense weapon can be a 223 or a 7.62x39?
Saw one new for sale, wachting this if I am going to pick it up
8:07 poor finger
Fun-fact: The are actually only 2 differences between the Vityaz and the semi-auto Saiga-9:
1. The notch for full-auto mode is missing
2. Saiga 9 has no full-auto trigger installed
Here comes the interesting part. Execpt for the full-auto trigger the Saiga-9 has all the other necessary internals to be a full-auto SMG. 3rd pin is there and also the reset. So you just have to install a full-auto trigger and you have a full-auto SMG :D
In those areas where it is legal, you can easily convert this pistol back into full auto SMG. No gunsmith required, only parts replacement, if you know AK platform well.
Shhhhh 🤫
I do hope you'll be able to lay hands on a Vintorez sometime.
I'd take a video on any of the 9x39 soviet space magic guns
@@27dcx Soviet bullpups are fascinating, too.
@@CyberChrist Bro seriously, some of those things are crazy.
Ah, yes the vintorez.
I got to shoot one of these at a demo, it's actually super cool. Totally a great alternative to an MP5.
You can buy like, 5 of these, for the price of one MP-5. (russian internal prices, about 40 000 rubles, 550 bucks).
@@antoncomrade2043 Kalashnikov USA $999
@@skoneal007 ok, thanks for the information. Still kinda affordable.
One has a CAST barrel and trunion, one has HK chf barrel.
@@Mr_Clean it’s 9mm who gaf lol
I will take a good look when you shoot this Ian. Looks like it would be a load of fun with some hot 9mm rounds. You just need Jerry Miculek's trigger finger for full auto mode..
I wonder if the nerf gun trick works with firearms or if it's just asking to hurt yourself lol.
@@DoitForTheLolz1 what, using your offhand's finger and moving the arm back and forth rapidly? You need to usually apply more force to pull a firearm's trigger compared to a revved up Stryfe, but anything chambered for a cartridge with low kick shouldn't be too bad, albeit maybe quite inaccurate with that method.
I was able to buy a Saiga-9 back in January this year, was one of the first here in Switzerland that got one. It makes so much fun to shoot with it, specially after I installed an ALG trigger
Agent-OrangeCH you should post a video about it dude
@@josephnotforyoutoknow1676 On the 12th of May the gun-ranges here can open again and I already made a reservation for the 16th of May. I will made a video then and post it on YT ;-)
@@josephnotforyoutoknow1676 I've just uploaded a short video of my Saiga-9. It's just a short video, cause I didnt have much time left to do something detailed...
Agent-OrangeCH thank you dude!
I love mine, I'm waiting to do my form 1 so I can SBR mine. These things are so well cloned they actually had a manufacturing defect on the top covers that the original did before it was fixed. Just thought that was neat.
Thanks Ian. Looking forward to seeing some range video of this gun.
Your extensive knowledge is appreciated. You’re very knowledgeable in all types of weapons.Good job Ian
Nice medley of furniture on the parts kit build.
The KP-9 is such an interesting and cool firearm. It'll probably be my first PCC that I get. Can't wait to see you shoot this tomorrow Ian. :)
This is a great direction to take your channel when the opportunity presents itself. While I love the history of older guns, shooting them can be a gamble. Please keep us up to date on new guns that have many characteristics of classic ones.
Really cool that you came to SA to look at our forgotten weapons.... Thank you for always producing such high quality content. Look forward to your next instalment.
Would be cool to see a 7.62 Tokarev version.
I’ve seen a few made by people welding pps mag wells to them but I doubt they worked well
Sounds like a PPS-43
I love the built in elevation adjustment for the iron sights out to a whole 200m. That's such a first-half-of-the-20th-century touch, and having walked rounds onto a target at 200 yards from a .40 cal carbine, I can appreciate the design mentality that says, "this is as much like artillery as you're gonna get with 9mm," but still puts the damn thing on anyway.
@Rory 543 There are a couple of special overpressure armor-piercing rounds, but the special light bullets they require means that long-range performance is not supposed to be great.
200m with a pistol is doable. Not practical, but fun to do at the range. With a stock and longer sight radius, it becomes more practical. Real world, you may never do it, but most rifles have sight settings to 600 or more, and that doesn’t happen often either.
First half of 20th century had pistol sights to 500
@Rory 543 You know, I was definitely aware of 9mm +P+ rounds, but I didn't think the difference would be *that* extreme, (plus, for the US market that the KP-9 is being made for, you probably wouldn't have access to the Russian rounds anyway,) but I looked it up and apparently the the Russians make a 7H31 round that's 600m/s at the muzzle. That might actually have a comparatively flat trajectory out to 200m. The normal drop for a .40 S&W out of a carbine at 200 yards is nearly 50", and it's even worse for 9mm, but some of the overpressure 9mm options might actually be sensible even at those ranges.
@@RamadaArtist It's a 64 grain 9mm bullet though, so velocity would drop off pretty fast to the point where 200m wouldn't be all that flat of a trajectory. Anyways the weird part is that they kept the super old school tangent sight with v-grooves like it's 1891 instead of moving into the 20th century with rear-mounted aperture sights.
You can pretty easily make hits out to 200m with a 9mm carbine
dude.. the ergonomics of this gun
The history on the Vityaz is actually pretty damn cool! Thanks as always Ian!
Hm, lol, the bolt looked like a HK who lost its roller delays.
Makes me wonder if an actual Vityaz, or hell any AK might work converted to delayed blowback?
The motto of Michael Kalashnikov was like "It is simple to make a complex thing, it is not that simple to make a simple thing". So, the answer is No.
@@borisslyt I'm just impressed that the American factory didn't make a lot of these "improvements." But I'm sure if the U.S. military ordered this gun they'd "improve" the hell out of it. 10x more complex and expensive, 5x less useful.
@@donjones4719 Idk I feel like this was the case for the OICW project but not really the case for Army procurement in general
I wonder if KP9 had an issue when the bolt tilted backwards when shooting and thus breaking the receiver. Saiga-9 basically became a meme for this in Russia.
I heard that was caused by a full auto part that’s not on our American version but still present on the saiga’s. Theirs is also not full auto tho
@@joseramirez9599 Saiga-9 is civilian. We are not allowed to have full auto
It did👌 lol it has been fixed tho
@@joseramirez9599 So the RU version is technically a civ converted Vityaz? Or a Vityaz fresh from the plant that lost most of its auto parts but not all of them?
@@ArcturusOTE its a purpose built semi auto, its just that russian law still allows there to be a 3rd pin on the semi auto guns unlike us law
Thanks for doing a video on this, I saw one at my LGS and was interested and unfortunately my friend at the store told me up front he didn’t know much about it and didn’t want to steer me wrong, thanks for taking the time to make your videos
FYI Ian, I ALWAYS learn something whenever I watch one of your videos... and I am very grateful for it!
A copy so perfect that it's dust cover cracks just like the real one. :P
*its
@@FirstDagger your're
@@FirstDagger it's*
This was already fixed. Only a limited number of guns had this issue due to an out-of-spec manufacturing die.
@@alanowa123 "it is dust cover"
brilliant.
Straight flexing with an East German AK as a size comparison
Well he did say its a parts kit
Great piece to shoot. A bonus is that the magazines work with the same stripper clip system as the AK-74. (Some of the clips may need tinkering but most work well as is.) Thanks Ian for another great video!
loving the new background mate. clean! keeps the focus on the gun and your beautiful beard
Perfect for Escape from Tarkov players, been wanting to learn more about this PP-19 equivalent!
I spent my stimulus check on on this
Same!!
Based
Oh how I wish there was a way to show some of the rare russian spec ops hardware, especially the compact smgs like PP-2000, PP-91 KEDR, OTs-02 Kiparis etc. :)
I've actually seen some fat cop in their typical black uniform once, who was wielding pp2000 in the street. He didn't seem particularly spec ops to me, looks like it's pretty common gun in Russian police force.
Instead he'll show his pp-69
Yeah, there is a whole bunch of rather obscure and rare spec-ops guns with interesting concepts, i wish Ian could get his hands at these unique items.
@@Psych0technic it's pretty common in southern regions of Russia, used by police.
Excellent! Thanks Ian.
Rich.
Thats a nice looking gun and I am assuming they are well made. It does look like a tiny AK as one commentator pointed out. They did good with making it look like the AK and with the parts compatibility it makes it cheap to produce. All together it is a pretty cool gun.
Will we ever get the Groza
Hopefully
don't think so, maybe LAV will get access to this
God I wish
I find this video a very good companion piece to Mr. Rob Ski's 5000 round test of the VP-9. You have "filled in the blanks" as far as history and development of this weapon is concerned, and makes the design make more sense to me. Good video, Sir.
A nice thing about those magazines is that they can be quickly loaded with standard ak74 5.45mm stripper clips ( those vertical grooves on the top part of the mag are there to accept the loading tool).
Will Vityaz/saiga 9 mags work on the KP9?
I've been wearing my Forgotten Weapons T-shirt all day today. I absolutely love that shirt.
Me: I want a AKS-74U
Mom: but we already have an AKS-74U at home
*AKS-74U at home:*
... the fuck...???
As always, awesome video with great information!
It always amazes me how videos about gun design and function are so deeply rooted in geography, politics, and society.
Ian's delivery is always high quality, patient, and comprehensive.
I'm always apologetic I can't support this work- as it's so much more than 'how gun is constructed'.
KS-23, one day ...
Hell yeah. Bullet "Privet" or "Howdy" in English, is kinda awesome. Or a bullet "Volna", "Wave"(eng).
However it's on our civil market as hunting shotgun. Downed to 12 gauge of course. There are no aliens left to hunt with 4 gauge, 23mm.
@@antoncomrade2043 bruh hunting small game with 23mm slugs lol
@@reedman0780 yeah, tons of fun, when your buddies with benellies and MPs just laughing their asses of when you trying to find a leg from a bird. One leg is here, and the other is 30 meters west. And yeah, one wing is on a tree 10 meters above.
and РМБ-93 too ...
So glad to have fine replicas on the market. I chased this one from day one as it leaked out of Russia. I wish more historical patterns would be reproduced with modern materials and manufacturing.
The forward extension of the bolt carrier is also a guide rod, of sorts, to keep the bolt in alignment with the barrel
Great vid as usual Ian!
I'm looking forward to the shooting test to see how it compares to MP-5.
I think the MP5 is smoother shooting than the KP-9(Vityaz) due to its action. I haven't shot either one so idk lol.
@@nikbrady14 i was disappointed to see this is straight blowback. Mp5 will have significantly less recoil, being a proper action
@@apodski yeah, but remember, the ruskis loooovveee they're simplistic designs😂
@@apodski I'm sure it does the FSB justice lol
Shame it's only semi auto.
so, this is what happed when the smart kids in the class do a project together.
Well said.
"So what's your idea 💡, my classmate comrade? Maybe we can work something together."
Great vid Ian!!
Thank you , Ian .
I can't wait until Ian does more South African guns like the Vektor R1 or SS-77
He's already done the R1
@@caninesandcats2051 he hasn't
Thanks for this video Ian, I knew nothing of the Vityaz or the KP-9. This seems to be the idea PSA had with their AK-V. Any major differences that immediately stand out?
I have not handled a PSA gun, but they were clearly copying the same thing.
Forgotten Weapons will the Vityaz/saiga 9 mags work on the KP9?
AKV is only 9mm AK. They not even close to Vitaez
So VERY cool! Ian, you had me up until the SBR paperwork with BATFE hit me in the head. But I still want one. Thanks for another wonderful production.
You can get them with 16" barrels, or with short barrels and arm braces.
@@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you, Ian. I did the ATF paper chase for my MP40. The time and effort was worth it (with the perspective of hindsight). I will consider these options mentioned. What you presented is what I want, though. Stay healthy.
Can't wait for the shooting video!
I luv ak with 9mm cartridge. It looks so hot
One thing that always struck me about the Bizon, was that helical magazine must make it handle very oddly with so much forward weight.
And the shifting weight as it empties. I love it though, such a cool looking gun and concept, like a Russian Calico.
@@VeXeDZERO I wondered why Ian didn't mention the Calico.
@@markfergerson2145 I looked, but couldnt find one, has he ever done a video on a Calico? Id love to see one in detail.
@@VeXeDZERO I'm pretty sure he has. Just Google "Forgotten Weapons + Calico"
One thing that never seems to get mentioned is the fact that you can load the mags with an ak74 spoon and clip.
Which I really like.
Except that it's harder to find a really good deal on bulk ak74 stripper clips now.
Note the 2 machined feeding ramps.
Saw that, surprised Ian didn't mention it.
I like these guns but first time I picked one up I was shocked how heavy they are.
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.
@@antoncomrade2043the good old Bratislavan bonk out
I had one of these go full auto on me when a guy let me shoot one at the range in exchange for some shots from my DE. We think the firing pin stuck forward. Quite fun lol, but scared my girlfriend half to death as that was her first time shooting. 11/10 would try again
Can't wait for tomorrow. I was just typing about putting a can on it so we can see.ThankQ.TkEZ>UK
I sometimes run my PP-19 Bizon replica at airsoft events, and people can never seem to understand how the magazine works, or what it is.
I've been thinking of getting somebody to 3D print a Vityaz magwell for it, though. As finding additional mag pouches for helical magazines is a giant asspain. The two I do have will fit 4 real-steel AK mags each, though.
Good to see the Vityaz get some spotlight though.
"Repelling hostiles are in for a surprise....."
If you stare at the muzzle device it looks like there is a very long legged spider on Ian’s chest. 👍
If you look at the magazines for these rifles, they have slits to attach stripper clips. Same stripper clips designed originally for the AK 74. Those clips also work well with these 9mm magazines. It makes reloading at the range WAY faster.
Ian could you use an example of how a gun maker went from their thought of making a gun into the process of basic development into refinement and finished product and finally manufacturing?
too bad I can't have this gun in Thailand because our law isn't allow pistol/semi-auto rifle that has barrels longer than 6.5 inch unless it's bolt actions/lever-action rifle or rimfire cartridge.
8:29 staring at the trigger group spacing out, I thought that was one single gun and my sight was getting kinda blurry, I'm tired. Then he moved the KP-9 away and *blew my mind* !
Guess I'm not the only one
Ian's soothing voice is making me fall asleep after a long day at work...
Perfect timing. I was just educating myself on the vityaz, then this appeared.
If the folding stock is basically standard AK-74, is it possible to put a fixed stock on it?
No. The rear trunnion is different. You can use the "solid" polymer folder but it will not lock when folded.
Sweet looking gun Ian! I’m curious to hear your thoughts on it’s performance compared to the other sub guns you have experience with. Maybe a Russian police 2-gun match is in order?
russian police don't need submachinegun, they're specialized to use empty bottles from the sparkling wine :)
Михаил Ромадин oh but aren’t we all? In the west we use beer bottles and brass knuckles! The guns only for the people that run haha
Can't wait to see the shooting video! :3
I'm really considering one of these as home defense since my PS90 has been out of commission for half a year. It's a hell of a lot easier to replace standard AK parts if something goes wrong than a very bespoke firing pin that is not available anywhere
Perfect timing, ordered this with my Trump bucks last Wednesday just waiting on mine to get shipped to my local FFL. I was hoping forgotten weapons would do something on the Vityaz thank you.
Was gonna ask about the stability of the rail... Nevermind :)
For pistol cartridge distances works just fine, tested it myself. Up to 100 meters you 100% OK. If you shooting 200m headshots, you should really ask yourself why the fuck are you doing this instead of using a standard rifle in 5,45 or hell, even 7,62.
In the AK upper cover has played becouse there are some space between upper cover and lower box. This is weird, but in PP-19 bolt actualy slides over the upper lid during movement.
So, thats why you have no playd of the rail first couple thausends shots.
Sorry for my english.
glad your happy with yours mine broke after 35 rounds junk
Would love to see a video on the pp-19 bizon
I need 5 T Plug for Prapor to trade this
WAAAAY cheaper to buy the action from prap, and build one from various AK74 furniture
@@walt9327 Why bother, the best barter is ADAR for 1 rechargeable battery.
I wonder how this compares to PSA's version that is also based on the Vityaz but takes CZ Scorpion mags. It's about the same price and looking at pictures of both, other than the mag block, folding stock catch, and muzzle brake, they look externally identical.
Ak operators union did a video comparing the two.
Generally I'm not interested in SPR or AKs but that looks like a cool rifle. I have 9mm envy again! Waiting for tomorrow and the shooting video.
Besides changing out at least the lower hand guard for a picatiny grip and swapping out the safety lever for one with a bolt hold open this gun is damn near perfect out of the box. I hope one day someone does make a drum mag for it still.
I wonder if it's possible to get your hands on a North Korean ak helical magazine
Its maybe just a repainted in grey Pringles pack. Youre never know when it comes to North Koreans.
Exactly. It is speculated that those mags are just for show, especially when watching footage of how light those rifles appear to be and may even be plastic "show pieces."
@@greyhoundTex Like the "Bolt Action AK" I guess
@Мармеладов ТВ Well, yeah, obviously. I'm just repeating what I've seen/heard from multiple blogs and such. But also guards that have been seen with them seem to be holding inoperable firearms and they swing them around as if they have no weight to them.
Not saying it is 100% true one way or the other, but it definitely falls in line with other weapons that NK has shown that are believed to be inoperable models made for show.
@@SolidTaylor Lol I feel like I'd be even more surprised if they actually had Pringles in North Korea.
Nice
*Noice.*
I hope you review the Slagga Viska (USA VSS Vintorez) when it comes out, that gun has an incredible story.
The original gun has, the knockoff does not.
Well... KUSA has just blown things so badly that we may never see the KP9 produced again. Wonderful, thanks guys.