Buying The Cheapest Cessna 210 In The World & Flying It 1,000 Miles Home!
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- We bought a 1964 Cessna 210 for $27,000 and proceeded to fly it 1000 home across the country. This is by far the cheapest Cessna 210 in the country, and one of the cheapest flyable piston single airplanes too! We bought this plane sight unseen after it's been sitting for years on end, for the most part. Will it make it home without any issues? There is a reason this plane was so cheap, you will see in today's video.
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If you're in Pecos ever again, borrow the courtesy car and cross I-20 to the north, head west on the frontage road to Bickley and turn north, find the Burrito Depot on the right hand side of the road. Small family owned, very good.
This is the most underrated comment ever
I have a better idea. Come out of the airport road, turn left, go about 200 ft, park, and go to the ALPINE. (that is, if the old Chevy Tahoe will take you that far....!)
Peco is a long @ss way to I-10. Peco is close to I-20.
@@wayneyd2 D'oh! I meant I-20.
Can I get vectors?
The "mechanic" rewired the fuel pump LOL. Great find thanks for posting the experience
Gotta love pilots, think they know everything 😢
The previous owner sounds like a generous good person. We need more poeple in this world like this. What a blessing!
Unfortunately its a dying generation and these new generations are not going to carry it on..they are more concerned about themselves and their images.
And it’s about age too. I recently sold a nice 37’ Tartan sailing yacht for well under market value to a nice younger couple. They will appreciate it. I wasn’t using it enough and didn’t want to have a`mother season of insurance, dockage and maintenance. Mechanical things hate to just sit. I have made good money on past boats and just decided to sell quickly. They lucked out and I felt fine with it.
My friend is a licensed Captain, All Ships at Sea. He said a lot of widows sell boats that were the pride of their late husband's just because they need the money and don't need the upkeep on them. It's the case with airplanes as well. They go for cheap because the widow wants to get rid of them. 🤠
@@jamesburns2232 Yes, so true.
@@fredread9216 I have a classic car that is really rare and it sits a lot due to the fact that its so valuable that its dangerous to drive it because insurance doesnt want me to drive it because if they had to pay out they would lose out on it and its non replaceable.
$27k and runs that good ? Seems like a great deal- even with the noted items that decrease value. The exterior paint and motor looked primo for not getting the JR detail yet! Green with metal flake? - It’s back in!!
For real! Wish I could find something like this to help me get my hours for the airlines
$27,000 with an engine upgrade by Victor what a steal,
With an annual even!! Way more than a steal.
and a 430
Someone could search their entire life and not find a deal that good…just wow
How??
Get your mechanic to look over that landing gear really good, especially the truss mounts. Those are notorious for cracks and are expensive to replace.
Also, while it's up on jacks, do the Uvalde gear door mod. It basically eliminates the rear gear doors, reduces weight, and drag. No doors extending out into the wind during extension and retraction. For the mod, a clean looking hole hole is cut into the outter, gear doors for the wheel to go through and the door is riveted onto the airframe as a panel. Probably the most popular mod on 210s.
Oh, if you get GamiJectors, be careful running those on that older IO-520. It'll run a little hotter than factory with Gamis. Run them a littke richer than what the book recommends and the engine will last well past TBO.
I say you got a good (should say lucky) deal if there's little to no corrosion on the airframe and no metal in the oil or filter screen.
The D model is a good rugged 210. Strutted Centurions are essentially faster 206s with lots of load hauling capability.
When you tuck the gear up and level out in cruise, it'll give you 160 knots at 65% power all day long with that McCauley 3-blade prop.
Panel is pretty nice too for it's age. Nice interior too.
Here, here.
This one already has the mod, which usually indicates it has had a gear-up landing. I personally hate the Uvalde mod, as well as any mechanic that actually knows 210's. Realize you can tell if it has the mod just by looking at the nose gear doors, they stay open after the nose wheel is down, and add extra drag. Also, the holes at the mains add drag.
He said they lose around 20kts with the gear down. I lose 6-8 kts on my L model with the doors. My partner flew for an hour before realizing he had left the gear down. My friend has a 1 Model M with the Uvalde mod and a 40hp more powerful engine. Mine flys faster than his with less fuel burn. He was not a believer until he flew across the country in mine.
Paul New and John Efinger are the 2 experts on 210's and both say to never do the Uvalde mod. It doesn't fix anything, it doesn't make the system better. It only hides the fact there is a problem with the system when the doors are gone. If I walk out and see my doors open, I know I have a pressure issue. Once you do the Uvalde mod, you won't know until you try to put the gear up, or down.
The N model removed uplocks and the main doors (Cessna adopted the Uvalde Mod), and uses hydraulic pressure to hold the gear up, so it is the simplest system of any 210's, which does equate to less maintenance.
Removing the gear doors increases drag, loses a few knots. Also doesn't lower weight much or lessen single-point-of-failure much. It is only done because to the uninitiated it looks like a newer model.
@@mickdee6590There, there... the phrase is "Hear! Hear!". Olde English...
@@cabdouch Why not just consider putting a set of wheel pants on it and leaving the gear down? Less maintanance hassles and lower insurance. Minimal speed loss.
This video felt neither long or short, it was just right because the story is interesting. Very happy for you guys, looking forward to seeing good progress on this plane.
The story and tempo matched, so no "long" feeling. The story on this deal was worth the time. Your videos edits are solid, well composed and, your audio is not stupid loud. Curtis Judd says "normalize the audio to -24db" So many videos have loud, music, audio (like 30 db louder than the voice track right before it) for the "cinematic" cuts.
Safety items first.Seatbelts with shoulder harness, fire Extinguisher, ETC. Then engine management systems. Then required radios, IE ADSB, Then avionics. Then make it look perty.
Look into adding an oil filter.
If safety is so important to aircraft, why do I never see even a single safety pin?
You guys made me chuckle. Lates 70's as a budding commercial pilot I got about 20 hours in a D model. My favorite Cessna next to the 185. Those days no intercom, no A20's no EFB's and not much complex airspace. I think you guys did a very good deal. Engine is good, prop looks newer, interior and exterior in good shape. Aside from the usual stuff I suspect the only thing that might give you fits is the hydraulics and gear components. For what you paid thats very acceptable risk. BTW thanks for helping me relive my early days of aviation.
$27,000 for that plane is a steal. Yeah, it's old and the instrument panel is crude, but $27,000 and it flies. Anything that flies is amazing.
Its honestly what these planes are worth. Ancient panel, landing gear issues, lost log book. I applaud the owner for actually selling it for what its worth so JR can fix it up! When I was looking for a plane there were so many planes like this where the owner would do the old "I know its worth more than that" when referencing the $150k plane with a $80k more expensive panel, full logs, and new paint/interior. I would try to explain to them all the work they would need to do in order to get it to sell for that price and they'd just be stubborn. 2 years later same planes are for sale with only minor price decreases. Either restore the plane, or let it go to a new owner that will. These planes are old now and you basically have to be a caretaker of the plane to keep in in good shape, if it starts sitting or corroding too long the value drops rapidly IMO.
@@jarrettleto You're obviously not a pilot or even remotely savvy with what airplanes cost .... It has a Garmin GPS I. It which used is around 3k.... A Cessna 150 with the same avionics is probably 45k....this was with out a doubt a steal... The cheapest 210 on controller is a older one with way more hours on the engine is 160k with shittier avionics....the log books do hurt it but he could get this thing in annual and could sell it instantly for like 145k.
@bubbaman12289 LOL, are you one of those owners that's been selling their plane for 3 years wondering why it won't sell? A garmin 430 is 26 years old. That's ancient for avionics. I'll give you a free lesson, it doesnt matter what planes are listed for, only what they actually sell for. The ones listed for a good price aren't listed anymore because they're sold!
@@jarrettleto yep u don’t know anything that’s for sure
In 1986 I bought a ‘64 210D for $12,500 with a newly overhauled landing gear power pack. That was the greatest airplane. If you needed to haul weight it’s the bird for the job. The two small rear seats are not legal to use unless you change out the slip lock seat belts. Great find. Makes me miss my old 210
My father owned a 1976 210L for 35 years. Excellent plane that hauled our family of 5 all over the US. Two suggestions for you. Invest in a shoulder harness installation for at least the two front seats. Also the GAMI fuel injectors were definitely worth the peace of mind and saved $$$ at the fuel pump. We routinely saw 160 knots true on 12.5 GPH at 8,000 to 9,000 msl. The main issue with those 60s model 210s is the gear saddles that tend to crack and lead to gear collapses. Otherwise that should make for an excellent cross country machine!
What do the shoulder harnesses do?
Thanks
As an A&P for the last 43 years good to see you youngsters out there with the passion i once had for the business! great buy, wish i still had my project bird a 195 i was partners on out of (RHV) in the early 80's
Love the keeping positive!!..
That's a steal for that plane. Love it because it looks so much like the first plane I flew.
738 whiskey Lima, in McAlester Oklahoma.. 1978 172N. Old but solid.. Been many years since that flight. Shout out to Dave Esio that volunteered his time for instruction.. Amazing guy.
I've since had a heart attack and been diagnosed with leukemia so I no longer pass medical, but absolutely loved it and that freedom for the time I had it. This plane reminds me of it because of the color scheme.
A&P mechanic here for a flight school. We’ve been updating most of our 172s with the Garmin GI-275 engine monitor. Pricey but the install isn’t too difficult. Can monitor EGTs, CHTs, RPM and etc and pull datalogs for troubleshooting
Very much enjoyed the longer format. You're able to Keep it simple, interesting and easy to watch.
At $27K you guys got an amazing deal on the '64 - Cessna 210. I like the old 210's because they don't have the problematic cantilever wings. I don't mind having the wing struts when I have a retractable gear and a variable pitch 3 blade prop. As for the priority of the instrumentation upgrades, I would go with a new transponder, Aspen Evolution Max 2000 on both sides, and fly it that way for a while.
Problematic cantilever wing problems? Like how? An STC for spar inspections?
Nothing problematic with the later wing...corrosion happens in any aircraft..beech and piper both have ADs regarding spar cap inspections and replacement..as well as wing separations ...the aussie 210 had 1000s of hours of low level terrain mapping and a huge tail extension for mapping as well as a environment ripe for corrosion
Aspen? lol no. get a yoke 496 and call it a day.
@@Jon.......a problematic AD not STC that can scrap the entire airplane basically. I’ve seen it, twice.
Great job on this video. Very well done. You guys are really learning the ins-and-outs of these older planes. Stay safe. Enjoy the process. This may be the one plane you keep and look back on when you’re 60 yrs old! I did much of this on my 1959 Cessna 310C years ago. A labor of love. After your internal upgrades I’d like the new wingtips with the wig-wag lights and nice strobes and LED beacons. See them a lot in Alaska. Congratulations and continued success!
Love the channel! And the longer format from time to time. COOL!!
Loved the video. Great purchase.
Good deal is potentially the understatement of the year. Hopefully nothing pops up. Expect it will. A plane sitting will have issues, but glad you guys made 1000 miles without incident.
Good to see someone selling a plane for a great price! We need more people like that.
Thanks for being considerate of your viewers. Didn’t notice the length that much because of the interesting content. Thanks.
It will be interesting to come along your journey with your 210. Looking forward to it. Nice video.
I'm so glad you guys are doing so good for yourselves, never be selfish and always give to the less fortunate, it will always come back to you.
Great video. Congrats on a great buy!
Fun adventure video. Nice job guys. I like the longer format.
Love the longer videos, keep doing what you guys are doing u guys are awesome!!
Nice video and great purchase. I will be fun to follow the upgrades as they happen.
Great video. I prefer the longer length episodes with more technical detail and explanation. Keep em coming!
Great purchase! Great video. Gives me hope!
I love these videos, happy & safe flying ☘️☘️☘️
Yeah this longer format is great. I really like CitationMax, but, all he shows is the clean and simple flight. You guys show all of the shenanigans like building burritos, fixing the plane and all of the ground stuff, where he does not. You guys are not boring and I really enjoy the content! Keep 'em coming guys! :) This is unqualified, but, it would seem well worth $27K!
I would go pretty simple but modern with the mods on the instruments. Ditch the 430 and sell it, people love that thing and you'll probably get some good money for it. Buy a Garmin 650 (ADSB & NAV/COM), GMA 342 because that old audio panel is hard to work, GTX 345 Transponder (ADSB in/out), personally I like the Garmin G5's but the 275's are nice as well, and you might as well just get the GFC500 autopilot because its so easy to operate. Also, the JPI900 engine monitor.
Overall, its a little early to judge if its a Great purchase. Engines that don't run a lot tend to hide their problems. I really hope you don't find any. Definitely a good purchase and good find. Good Luck!
Second!💯
very solid advice
Thanks for the video. Awesome find.
Good purchase! Oh, and I do enjoy the longer format. enjoy the background, how you found the plane, its history, and what it takes to get it back into the air.
Thumbs Up!
Great buy folks! She’s a keeper 💯🛩️
A fun watch. I'm glad you made it back safely in that 210.
Great job guy's. Love the video and your energy.
Love the longer format!
Well done ✅ thanks for sharing your story.
Long, longer, but still a great story.
A 210 with the gear down turns it basically into a 206 but for 27K, I'd take that any day!
Great story and presentation, fab video!
Outstanding content! I am definitely following you guys and looking forward to watching your future and previous videos.
Perfect timing! Just opened youtube and one of my favs posts a vid. Lets go!!!!!
Boom! Enjoy!
love the longer format! im an aviation junkie too! vids could be 2 hours and id still watch!
Well done, nice plane, keep em comin.
Great job guys !
I used to fly a 210R. Had an io550 upgrade with scimitar prop. Great cruiser and superb short field, did carry 6 at times. Had a Cessna Altimac AP which worked! Good on long flights. Congrats
Engine sounds great!
Love the longer format video. Great job What a steal!
Awesome video guys, lovely aircraft ❤
A nightmare for resale, but a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity if you plan to keep it.
What a deal ! What a find 👍👍You can hardly buy a good used car for 27 K these days
Memories of 2 strokes: I used to own an RD400 Daytona Special while I was living in YEG....it was sooo sweet. I wish I still had it now on the coast.
That was an awesome video! Wish I could have joined you on that flight. Looked like fun. Great purchase! Beautiful plane!
If you can, put an oil filter mod on it and switch to an alternator conversion kit. I did all this to our 1947 Bonanza 35.
I've been flying an early 210 for 40 years and I've overhauled the generator once and replaced the brushes two times. The drive belt has been replaced 4 times.
Congrats! Longer format is great
Glad you think so!
Nice metallic Green. You guys are awesome to watch. Fly safe. Definitely would be cool to fly a sensa.
Enjoyed the video, good length, keep up the good work.
When I saw Jay’s hair out of place on first take off, I thought this was gonna be a long trip. But it was perfect again at the end 👊🏻
Fly it for a couple hundred hours to start to "rebuild" the log books. Dueing that time you can start to make nice upgrades. Hopefully the io-520 holds up (rebuilts in a box are $64k). The 210 isnt a hot seller right now but again, i think if you can demonstrate reliability with some log book entries maybe you can get her up to $80k. With some radio upgrades, GPS etc.... PS. You guys couldve gone without headsets and just used the intercom had you not figured out the radios. A little loud yes, but not the end of the world. Another PS; gotta 69 Bonanza 36 thats also sat for a while out of annual, lost logs, trying to figure out what to do with her. Beautiful airplane, but some black eyes
Keep safe, longer format is OK. Love it
You people are closet case geni ! Congrats. God Bless y'all
Pecos is pronounce (PAY-CUSS) by we Texans! Glad you guys had a smooth trip!
lol "Peh cos"
You and Jay make great choices…format is good! Really good buy and got it home safely! I like your videos!
You got a great plane. Enjoyed the ride with you guys.
Really enjoyed your video. Please post more of this aircraft..
Should really bring a certified A&P with you guys before you fly out in a plane like that. That fuel pump failure was a sign look at it that way
They were very lucky a failure like this happened on the ground. Sketchy maintenance logs and potentially sketchy maintenance should get more than a quick once over. Lucky has a way of running out at the worst time.
Cool! I bought and sold about 30 210's and 96Y seems familiar, Was it blue and white before? I can offer some tips on what to watch out for on old 210s if you are interested. After a couple of gear extension issues, one where an ATP friend and I literally reached out both sides and yanked the mains into lock due to low hydraulic fluid on early engine driven Hydraulic pump models, I strongly suggest you always check the Hydraulic fluid level in the sight glass on the pedestal in flight on every flight as it takes more fluid to retract the gear, than to extend it, and when extended it may show full when low. Also, carry a bottle of 5606 and an pump oil can with a hose to pump fluid in if needed.
After a "manual' gear extension hanging out the open doors due to a leaky actuator that the manual hand pump could not extend, I devised and emergency kit consisting of a socket wrench to remove the Hydraulic fluid sight glass in flight, as brass hose fitting and a hose to screw in where the sight-glass came out, and and modified cap and hose fitting I could screw into a quart bottle and squeeze fluid into the reservoir, if needed, as if an actuator seal fails you might pump out fluid faster than the hand pump can extend the gear but the engine driven pump can overcome. That way I figured I could dump enough fluid to get the gear down if the hand pump didn't manage.
Great info!
@@mickdee6590 Thanks, happy to share what I can. Something else for those considering a 210 that has had the gear doors removed, is exhaust infiltration through the aft cabin and baggage compartment. Once the rear doors are removed the low pressure laminar low on the outside of the fuselage is disrupted, and large amounts of exhaust gasses can be pulled into the cabin.
A good friend who had a gear door removal done on his 67' T210 , and after cruising at 18,000ft on 02 for several hours, and he and his wife suffered severe carbon monoxide poisoning and ended up hospitalized, It's a wonder they made it back alive. I went to Palm Springs to bring the airplane back to Oregon, suspecting the gear mod could have been the reason, and when I and a mechanic lifted the carpet that was covering the gear well we found it saturated with carbon and white lead dust. We sealed as much of the aft cabin with aluminum adhesive tape and silicone RTV, and I flew back with the cabin air and vents open and had no issues.
If yiou look at the later model 210s that came without gear doors the gear wells are well sealed with an inner box plates.
Awesome video guys. You got a steal of a deal!
Love the longer videos especially the flight/travel videos with new planes/cars
The words, " if it sounds too good to be true then it is, " would apply here I believe. $27,000 for 210 tells me that one of several conditions is in play. One, that the aircraft is due an annual. Two, that the aircraft engine is probably perilously close to an overhaul. Unless you are independently wealthy, this is just not a good buy. If you've got the cash to pour into this black hole then by all means. Revamp and restore it but don't think that you going to buy this kind of aircraft for $27,000 without a bunch of gotchas waiting for you.
That's the way it is.
You are leading people astray. Now every one will think they can buy a cheap plane and fly it home. Before you do any thing INSPECTION INSPECTION by an A&P inspector
If they have an Airman Certificate, they *should* be smart enough not to be "led astray..." If they're not smart enough, there's probably nothing that can be done to help them, anyway. 😂
One of the first things he said was that it was just annualled...
They said it was in annual.
Unless I watched a different video, they said 500 SMOH.. They changed out the oil and spent the day going through paces with the aircraft and seemed confident in their knowledge. Dont knock them at all.
By that logic a hundred fifty grand would've made you perfectly okay to hop in and fly away.
Loving this video! Its good to see good airplanes getting a second chance at life. More and more of the cessnas are left to die. Good Job JR. Thanks for this great video!
J.r. I love these videos 🛩️🛩️🛩️ truly awesome 👍🏼 and the green 💚 metallic paint 🎨 is banging!
It’s a no-brainer. Absolutely was a great deal. Congratulations.!!
Just came across your channel the other day and your channel is awesome! To get to do what you do would be the goal. Keep up the great work 🤙🤙
Great purchase. I like the colors!!
So stoked for this video. I have a 62 210B with a very similar setup. Can’t wait to see what you guys do to improve this early centurion. Awesome deal on that plane. Obviously the hydraulic gear is scary for a ton of people, but a properly maintained system can be reliable and work well. Mine still has gear doors and has been lovingly cared for and continues to be a champion of a machine.
Guys, first UA-cam of yours I watch. Awesome! I wish we could find this type of deals here down in Brazil. Tks a bunch.
Great video! Great plane! What a find!
I'm living the dream thru you guys!!! Nice Deal.
Excellent purchase!!
Nice work!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Definitely like the longer format 👍
Nice job guys super interesting video.
Great buy and good flight home glad it worked out.
Great Job!
Great find!
always great to see you guys dipping into the profits and splurging on another maintenance project (we only ever see them flying once)
Goodluck with that beauty!!!
Great trip guys!!
Realy enjoyed that vidio , braught back memories of my checkout in an old Cessna 172 back here in Wales UK at Swansea Fairwood Common. Loved the music. Safe flying you guys.
Love the longer vids!
Another fine video. Nice purchase for sure✈️
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice Job Boy’s!PP since 1977!Thanks really enjoyed that!!
I love the 210😍Its roomy and quiet and with gear retracted it flies well over 160 kt tas.
Yes looks like a great deal. Hope fixes are minor. Good luck and Great flying!
Awesome find!