SHATTERED SPACE (Starfield DLC): Only 6 Hours of content?
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I don't want to go out of my way defending this DLC or Starfield i general, because i don't love either, but it does depress me that many people, not just reviewers, slavishly follow the critical path then complain they don't understand what's going on or that the game is too short.
Huh, here I am 8 hours in and not even half done. 🤷♂️
I blame content creators too for not being diligent. Yes, Bethesda should have let reviewers get access, and you could argue that it's a content creators job to get reviews and content out, but it's also their job as reviewers to be thorough, and to provide fair analysis of the product. But for many views > credibility it seems
I think the actual critiques of the expansion hold up, but we'd also be remiss not to mention the toxic state of gaming discourse now. Influencers actively go in hoping for failure so they can prove a point and get attention along the way. Game quality aside, we didn't have this type of behavior even back in 2015 or 2018.
@@StoneAgeWarfare Yeah, and it's not limited to gaming discourse, I feel like. I don't know if something changed during the Covid times, but the internet discourse in general has felt so much more toxic since 2020 and it's only getting worse. I mean, it has always been toxic to a certain degree, but in recent years it has grown so, so much worse and I don't know why.
Gotta keep the grift going.
Anyone who released a review a day after everyone else got only a share of the revenue that they would have gotten had they released it 8 hours after like everyone else.
Also, remember how Starfield was getting decent reviews at first and then within a week it was mainstream consensus that the game was worse than Fallout 76? Those were from people who got review codes and spent some time with the game, but after it was released tons of smaller channels started making day one reviews shitting on it, and the trend caught on.
IGN even gave it a 7 back then and everyone jumped to defend the game because it was a lower score than those of other mainstream publications and reviewers, but nowadays if you give Starfield a 7 you'll get harassed and called a paid Bethesda shill.
@@Augusto9588 Yeah. Games media these days isn't about taking time to enjoy a game. It's about rushing it as fast as possible so you can get a review out the door in time for views.
While Bethesda could/should have given some review codes to reviewers in time for them to do a proper review, I still mostly blame the reviewers themselves. They went for low quality clickbait content over high quality content. An early rushed review review might get more and faster views, but it is still garbage.
I see it this way. Who here would rather read and trust a day one review over a review made by Gopher? People WILL wait for trustworthy content.
Man, all the negativity nowadays.
Honestly, while it wasn't as good as Far Harbor, length-wise Shattered Space is about the same.
Yeah, the main quest is around the same length as Far Harbor and Nuka World if you just strictly play it and do none of the side content. However, the key thing I feel is that it FEELS short, and I think its due to how the questline is structured. I don't want to spoil anything, but I feel if the main quest had at least 1-2 more hours of content, it would've felt more fulfilling. As it is right now, it feels short 'cause the pacing feels rushed.
I played it as soon as it went live. I did all the side quests I could find. I did as much dialogue as i could find. "I was well kitted out so combat was fast" but I got maybe 12-14 hours of it. That was doing the dialogue doing the side quests "mostly" and "nosing around" as much as possible.
Granted! I was annoyed with the ending enough that I dont stick around to see if any new things opened up after the main quest was finished.
when I'm having fun, the hours fly by
I'll only get to Shattered Space in a year or two once the game has more mods, but I appreciate you shedding more light on the situation. There are already enough things to criticize Starfield for, but it's not enough for content creators and gamers so they feel the need to come up with fake issues just to continue spreading the hate. Shame.
i really wish that i could have played the final complete version of Starfield for the first time. i had more fun and excitement on my first run than any Bethesda game i've played since Fallout 3 and Oblivion.
I couldn't care less if the dlc is only 6 hours long. I only care if it is worth my time, and everything has told me it just ain't :(
Another option is that they ale intentionally lying. I saw some reviews claiming there are "kitbashed" weapons and Fallout 4 weapons...
People love to hate Bethesda and things like facts no longer matter to them.
The Quickstrike is just a Solstice with a stylised metal casing mounted on the front, Starslash is just an Equinox with an Var'ruun styled muzzle covering and the Longfang is just an Orion with a darker paintjob and different barrels and the Chimaz is a Painblade as a longsword.
Starstorm and Penumbra are the only ones, to my knowledge, that aren't copies with slight alterations.
I get that saying that all Shattered Space guns are "kitbashes" or just copies is wrong but when 4 out of 6 new weapons are straight copies from base game guns some critique is warranted and shouldnt be written off as "People love to hate Bethesda" especially when your claiming that facts don't matter.
@@luxberry9634 > the Chimaz is a Painblade as a longsword.
Not true. The Chimaz has 3 different handles, and only one of them is shared with the painblade.
@@Augusto9588 hmm my bad then, I only saw the painblade one.
30+ hours if you do everything and not just skip through the main quest
Thank you for your transparency.
i had 20 hours after the main quest and the 11 side quest
I saw a lot of reviews, I wasn’t sure if they even played the DLC some were terribly misleading and seemed to just leave out things that were in the game although they claimed they were not. IMO the DLC was just weak not horrible. They could have done better.
Weak. Not Horrible. Yeah, I like that.
Fully Agree! It was ok. I did love the ending battle of the main quest. The rest of it was "meh." Didnt really get any lore answers that I really wanted. The "serpent" came off as not real, there were no interesting things tied to it at all that could tell. No new abilities or features etc. In a way it kind of ruined the Varuun mystique for me.
Now, i know i'm a super slow player, this is the case in skyrim with my several hundred hour playthroughs, and it was the case for starfield playing it on release, only having done a chunk of the content and being at 130 hours when i stopped playing (temporarily)
But it's still a tad embarrassing to say i've spent close to 40 hours in the dlc so far? Maybe 30 if the gametime tracker is off
I've done most of the content to my knowledge, mostly just working on the main story now.
Haven't played it. Does the main story lead you to the side-quests?
Thinking on prior DLCs, they often require you to talk to side-quest npcs and have you do some minimum number before continuing, leaving it to the player whether they want to do them all.
As far as dialogue goes, I don't listen to it all. Rarely read terminal entries, rarely deep-dive into conversation trees unless I genuinely care about the character or the location. Usually it's irrelevant or at best a joke. So can understand why reviewers might take the attitude of "I don't care that your dog ate crayons and is pooping a rainbow. Just tell me what to do".
Yes, it will lead you past most of them. There are a couple that sort of require exploration, but usually you will pass the quest giver. Of course, some of them won't immediately tell you they have a quest as you pass. So it helps that I spoke to anyone who had a name :)
I know of at least one reviewer who had no intention of doing the side quests.
Unfortunately, it won't matter. The mentality around that bandwagon has been set now.
İt's still a horrible dlc
@@orbit1894 True, but what he's likely saying is that people are determined to stop this game from making a comeback now.
Yep. People intentionally spread falsehoods about Starfield to make it look bad. Why would this great DLC be different?
Yup.
@@orbit1894its a great DLC. Some story bits and choices can feel questionable or poorly done but the action and dungeon content is simply the best in Starfield by a large margin. Content is huge.
I clocked in 30hrs+ with everything explored, tried varuun mission board and side quests done. I say it's a good DLC for starfield if you like starfield.
All I know is every time I turn on the game, the next thing I know, 2 hours have gone by. You have to enjoy the journey and not speed dashing to the end. That's not how this game works. I think there's too many younger players with ADHD.
Third option - it's (sadly) fashionable to pile on and criticize Starfield instead of being objective no matter what people really think of it. As many faults as the base game may have, there's still a lot of good content there if you're open minded enough to see it.
Open minded enough to see it?
3 wheeled cars are great if you are open minded too.
@sagacity1071 A car with a missing wheel is objectively bad. There's nothing objectively bad with Starfield.
@@BoroMirraCz Haw dare you insult the Robin Reliant!
@@GophersVids Don't forget the Peel P50 now...
@@BoroMirraCz Wait did you just say nothing objectively bad with starfield? Haha man that cracked me up!
You can like a bad game, go ahead but don't go around trying to make it seem like an objectively great game...
Starfield has so many problems and so many areas that are shallow, shooting in crowded areas, facial animations, that robot companion glitching and jittering every 15 minutes, no city maps, endless loadingscreens, and so so much more.
You could write a bloody essay on the stuff that is bad in Starfield.
they said the same thing about Dragon Age 2 and Inquisition but i guarantee they played on easy and skipped most dialogue. i put about 60 hours into DA2 and at least 12-15 in the story. i put about 120 hours in DAI and 12-15 in the story.
i passed on those games for almost 10 years because of reviews and negative buzz and i absolutely loved em.
To be fair, I still blame the reviewers/content creators because if they had to rush to get the review out then they should at least make that known and say "I rushed to get this review out and only had time to complete the main quest". Of course, then that would be admitting it's not a very good review. But still, it's way worse in my opinion to lie and act like the entire DLC is only 5 - 6 hours of content.
Most negative reviews on YT are literally bandwagoning for views. You can read the title, see the thumbnail, and immediately know which are not worth even the storage space on Google's servers.
I watched a lot of reviews and all of them, the positive and negative ones, made clear that they were talkinging about the mainstory. The hightest hourcount iv heard so far was between 7 to 8 hours the majority concluded more like 5 to 6.
And no one said something about skipping Dialoge because they were looking for interesting conversations
Seen people claiming that the DLC only added 6~10 hours of content plenty of times.
Even seen a guy claiming that he finished the MQ in 2 hours and then the rest of the content in 6.
Well it maybe people are misunderstanding those reviewers and don't understand they just meant the main story. Either way, I hope this will clear it up for people.
Side quests are not important for the evaluation of the DLC. Side Quests in Shattered Space feels like filler stuff. They belong in the derailing section.
The main DLC quests is what you have to evaluate.
Shattered Space is an ok Bethesda DLC. Same style as Skyrim and Fallout 4. It's not the worst thing Bethesda has made, but the entire game still lacks depth.
Is there a character you will remember in two or even five years from now on? Andreja perhaps? What if I say Shadowheart or Liara T'soni?
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I played Skyrim in 2.438.5 hours (SE in 920 hours) and Fallout 4 in 7.142 hours. I love those games.
Obviously off topic, but... Red Dead Redemption 1 is coming to PC. Will you play it? Hopefully you were able to avoid spoilers!
do people know how short the dragonborn main quest is??
Did Dragonborn have more than a single campaign and literally nothing else?
@@TheTundraTerror No, and neither does Shattered Space, and this is the point.
It's about 6 to 7 hours if I remember correctly. Same for Far Harbor and Dawnguard. I think Nuka World was one of the longer ones, but it's because it took a while to clear each 'park'.
Yeah, not much of a fan of Starfield but those claims of only 5-6 hours of content seemed ridiculous to me as someone not even playing the game and with no axe to grind for or against Bethesda. I WANT them to make great content haha. I think the issue we have here though is around quality not quantity.
The problem I see is that a lot of these reviewers play with a lower leven character or are exposing themselves for just clicking through the dialogue just to reach that review time.
It has also to do with that what do you expect gets more clicks, a video saying the DLC is amazing. Or one that says it bad, outdated, etc and then most of the vid is talking negative.
People just seem to like to talk negative at this point, because it gets a wider appeal.
On my first time it took me about 20-30 hours doing all the main quest, side, achievements and clearing some of the major locations that didn't seem to have any of those and I had fun with it.
But hey, I'm just a random person here, not some major reviewer with barely time needing to push out for those clicks.
This why I rather watch people like Gopher who been playing Bethesda games for years and actually put some time into it and not just rush it out.
The game isn't a wide appeal ether and does indeed not really follow mainstream, what seems that people wanted with only able to use comparisments to X game as argument that the game is bad. If you like that X game more, then that's fine. Bethesda games aren't a wide cup of tea and their taking risks that dont seem to pull good. Well, unless you like talking negative that is. Content is content as they say.
Gopher, do you think this will be the only dlc?
Just for perspective, on the base game I had over 400 hours in and had never even finished the main quest and gone through Unity ever. I did all the companion quests, and varied amounts of the faction quests (for example, finished the Freestar Rangers but got bug-locked out of the Vanguard quest line) and probably 80% of the main story. There was just a lot of other stuff I wanted to do, like get the survey and all systems visited achievements. Some of the issues I had I think have been fixed now, so I'll go back at some point.
I played the DLC recently as someone that skips dialog but does not rush, it took me roughly 9 hours to finish main quest and all side quests.
Come on , look at that....
Unfortunately it's not the first time Bethesda has withheld review codes. They have repeatedly done this. They have done it last year just before Starfield came out and then again in 2016 with Doom, Dishonored 2 and Skyrim Special Edition. It's official policy for Bethesda, unfortunately.
The problem for me is that I'm still playing Starfield. I can't stand face to face bland dialogue anymore.
It's cool to hate on Beth, Beth could cure cancer next day and there will still be criticism. As much as I hate the bandwagon, it's long warranted. Hope it's enough of a wake up call to fire Emil and get a better writing team.
As of writing this, I've put in 66+ hours into Shattered Space and have not even completed the main quest.
And that means nothing, cause anybody can spend dozens of hours in a game, maybe you just play it slow, all the reviewers I've seen all mention the main quest is 6-8 hours, even steam reviews of people who own the DLC complain about it being short, no way is it 66 hours of actual content for the average player.
@@tobiasL1991If you b line the main quest skipping some dialogues, the ya 6 hrs is more than likely,but if you play it as a normal gamer would, it's 10 to 12 hrs atleast ... Hell I'm 24 hrs in, only halfway through the story, granted i did 3 side quest which are all basically more than an hr long
@@tobiasL1991
Your comment is quite baiting. It may mean nothing to you, but it does for me. I do like to take my time focusing on what's there in the game world. I'm a retired video game developer with more than 20+ years in the industry and have even worked with BGS. And yes, I'm not just an average player by any means. I don't play video games to rush through them. Game reviews mean nothing to me. I don't base my opinions on the backs of others. It doesn't matter the game, I take my time and enjoy the product for what the developers intended it to be. I take quite particular notice of the good and the bad in all games. I personally know what efforts and sacrifices are made with the creative endeavors put forth by the people who make games. After all, for decades, I was one of them.
@@JohnnieHouston What a load of nothing you just typed, almost nothing you typed here has any relevance for how most people experience a game.
By all means spend whatever time you want on games but don't try to comment your playtime that in order to try to make Starfields short dlc look longer, it's the main criticism of it and clearly most people feel that way. Steam review shows 70% negative reviews, that's people who have the DLC!
Lastly I don't play fast either, and play many games much slower than most but I don't go around the internet trying to use that as an argument as to why a certain game or dlc that so many find short.
The average player will probably spend between 20 and 30 hours, which is very reasonable.
what hurt Starfield the most imo is the writing and questing, it's just tedious and really boring
Too bad.The entire thing feels like cut content from the main game. They set up that house thing and you do nothing with it in theentire story. Outside of the embassy. Not worth the cash or time investment.
This game is cooked
If the respond to criticism of a game is “you didn’t do all of the side content!” It probably isn’t a great game in the first place. I didn’t do much of the side content for Elden Ring or the DLC. Amazing game. Did one play through of the storyline with some exploring in Ghost of Tsushima. Absolutely got my moneys worth. Played one playthrough of Dead Space. Now it’s one of my favorite games ever. If a game is good enough then the side content should just be an addition to what you’re getting.
Many people were rushing the MQ only so they could review it before others.
@@Augusto9588 I have no doubt that some of the reviewers were just blitzing through everything so they can post the video and get the early viewers.
But most of them probably did what we all do which is a little bit of side stuff along with the main story and still felt like it was too short for the price tag.
@@JaymzGames To be fair, the "side" content is the main content. You buy a game for the whole game; if you're buying a game (especially a Bethesda game) for only the main quest then maybe just avoid Bethesda games.
Bethesda games have usually been praised for their side content, so to ignore that to fire out a review for clicks is kinda just failing to do your job.
Starfield is flawed, but reviewers & content creators need to stick to facts. Making personal opinions clear when they come up. It wasn't that long ago people were fighting against games journalists for this, but now people are happy to accept their favourite content creator doing it.
I'm sorry but are you saying Shattered Space contains 4 hours of dialogue on the main quest alone? Cause that seems absurdly high. Reading problems high.
I mean I can spend 50 hours in a 10 hour content wise game but I wouldn't go around telling people it's 50 hours of content, so play time can vary drasticly but 5 to 9 hours seems like more a playstyle gap and not a mere dialogue skipping one...
To put this 4 hours into perspective, the entire blood and wine DLC, you know the last Witcher DLC that's hailed as one of the greatest DLC's ever it's entire dialogue/cutscenes is 6 hours and 45 minutes. For something that legit takes dozens of hours to finish, no way Shattered Space with it's 30% positive reviews on steam has 4-5 hours of dialogue just on the main quest, talk about bullshit!
Side locations and side quests in Shattered space should take around 25 to 35 hours. Main quest is 5 to 10 hours depending on how fast you skip the dialogues.
@@foxmulder7436 Again with this 'dialogue skipping line'.
Let's be real 5 hours of purely main quest dialogue seems absurdly high, like straight up impossibly high.
@@tobiasL1991 no its very believable. I typically skip at least half or 2/3d of the audio because I read the dialogue ahead. Finished main quest in around 6 or 7 hours.
For the record, Andreja alone has over 30 minutes of new dialogue in Shattered space.
@@foxmulder7436 Yeah that's not very concincing, she's literally the most intertwined companion.
Not to mention that would make dialogue almost half of the entire gameplay length of the main quest, which is just not common.
@@tobiasL1991 dialogue does indeed take a lot of time, especially considering all options, which are sometimes not accessible depending on certain choice. Action sequences are either moving to locations (can equate to mere minutes) or combat (largely depends on difficulty, perparation, player skills etc). Fast travel use, skipping random encounters can also dramatically reduce the "moving to location" sequences.
There are many hours of recorded dialogue, but most people wont hear all of it or even most of it due to skipping, not selecting all optional lines and lines locked behind certain choices.
A good exemple of people usually skipping dialogue content are the 2 companions. Bunch of day 1 reviews specify that there are no new companions in Shattered space, while the 2 actual companions are literally part of the main questline.
Beth is dead.
This DLC is competing with Phantom Liberty for $30USD. I expect more than a few hours of a boring campaign and a couple reskinned weapons.
The size of both DLCs isn't that different btw. Phantom Liberty has roughly 30 hours of content for the average player from what i read.
Many people attribute many of the changes that came with 2.0 to Phantom Liberty, which was released a few days before PL.
I didn't buy it, or the base game and I'm glad I didn't after watching all the playthrough and reviews.
No new character, no new features, Anjya has no specific conversation, even though she is back on her home planet., and I have a strong feeling it's cut content, because of how little of the race was mentioned in the main game that didn't have any conclusion. It was the same with the tracker missions. Barely fleshed out, then, miraculously, more quests became available through paid DLC, again, giving the feeling of cut content!
Games awful and I'm sick of people defending it.
...in your opinion. And as far as opinions go, a lot like arseholes, everyone has one.
@@dexterfinch8321 Tell me for one second truthfully that it has the magic or depth or is as fun as Fallout or Skyrim, I doubt you can. It's a soulless loading screen simulator.
@@MrLightstudios To me it has more magic and depth than Fallout 4, which was an action game btw, and not even an RPG.
It's just more of the same, bland, boring and definitely not worth $30
The combat, dungeons and singular map with high density are unlike everything else in Starfield.
Does the duration matter when its attached to this diagusting excuse of a game?
It matters when it comes to giving people factual information with which to make their own minds up.
diagusting? The average level of intelligence from a Starfield hater.
If it's bad then why the need to lie about it? Just tell the truth then.
DLC is trash compared to their previous work and their competitor Phantom liberty.
It has the best dungeons and combat encounters out of all single player Betheda games. Quantity of content is on par or higher with the largest previous DLCs like far harbor.
@@foxmulder7436 Keep coping. Fans like yourself deserve to have ES6 be a flop. Hopefully, the love of your corp pays off.
@@what-oy8il I take you have no idea what you're talking about. Shattered space has a similar amount of locations compared to far harbor and much larger dungeons with much better hostile encounters.
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