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Nah, he's Armenian, like the rest of his band, so they know a thing or two about countries being swiftly taken over, and the propaganda that comes with it. 🙃Look up Armenian genocide. It's not so much about patience, as it is, experience. And then, patience.
This is coming from a life long system of a down fan. Never seen a more braindead comment section on UA-cam, since it was created. Serj himself admits he couldn't say the things he says in a middle eastern country. Serj is a joke now, especially in the current state of the US where certain types of people are driving food resources out of their own communities listening to people like Serj. You people are destroying what good is left in this corrupt world, not us. You people are the problem.
Serj's take here aged so well... It just wasn't the right time yet being so close to the day when tensions were where they were. Such a cool time capsule.
It was the right time, we just didn’t want to hear it. If we all thought this way, maybe we wouldn’t have been in the Middle East, killing innocent people, for 20 years.
@@playdiscgolf1546 And maybe when we criticize Russia today it wouldn't ring so hollow with the nation that has invaded and killed so many civilians half a world away is denouncing a country for actions on their immediate border. They sold us those wars, and quietly waged many others we never even knew about. The reality though is that we don't have the reigns over our own government.
It's kind of surreal hearing this now. From what I understand, Tankian was just making an honest attempt to process and discuss what had happened, which is actually an important thing to do in the wake of a disaster like this. People need to take a moment to grieve, but after a few days, they need to start thinking more seriously about what's happened. Otherwise, they'll act out in ways that aren't properly considered and are a craps shoot on whether they make things worse or better. At the time, though, his measured take (which most people now would see as almost banal and obvious) got him completely trashed by thousands of people. If anything, that's a good illustration of *why* what he said was important. If the population of the US had taken time to cool off before beginning their response, the world today would be a much better, safer place for almost everyone.
@@1981JollyRoger That is howard's thing tho, he has hot takes on subjects he has a passing knowledge of, then when someone comes on the show who has analyzed the subject more or may be passionate about it, howard always ends looking like a babbling fool. Hoo hoo Robin 😀
@@1981JollyRoger it was very soon after the horrible attacks, emotions were still high. That said yeah I do hope he listens back to this and feels bad And fuck robin quivers
@@JimmyORizzle Yes I understand that, no one would want to say anything against the government at time, it would be probably considered anti patriotic or even communist. But I have take my hat off for Serj, for he was able to say what no one would.
What he doesn't seem to understand at that moment that owning TV is not a measure of healthy society. I've just came back from a trip to Denmark, and let me tell you, coming back to US is like returning back to Wild West after a trip to the future. US is for young, healthy and rich, and that is its strength. But if you don't have 2 out of these 3, you are screwed, and nobody will care. Arriving in JFK terminal, being in line of 900 people and having one dirty bathroom for all them, really made me open my eyes (yet again.
Serj Tankian is so much more intelligent than anyone else on that show that he shouldn't have even lowered himself to feel like he owed them an answer.
in all fairness it was a comedy show with a LARGE reach. I think stern gave him a solid platform (especially with the show being based in new york and stern having stayed on the air when 9/11 happened.) to say that he knew it was too soon for what he said and that it came from an emotional place.
It was the number one syndicated radio show and they're probably never be a show that has a bigger audience live. And love them or hate them I would argue that Howard Stern's IQ is very high
The anger that people had after 9/11 got easily used by the Bush administration to start the biggest mess in the middle east, that is still rippling through today. Serj is being so patient here, wow. Howard and Robin just won't stop talking... wonder how they feel about this now. I remember the shock at the televised start of the Iraq war, and all the antiwar protests. (As a side note, I was in Manhattan on 9/11, and my stepmom worked in the towers (her company lost 358 people that day).
Trump broke his brain. Apparently Trump is the only bad politician in the United States anymore and we can trust the Democrats and the "good" Republicans.
But think about what he said, and the reality of what happened. We ended up invading Iraq and taking on Al Qaeda, and killed millions of innocents and only created more enemies. Serj might not have said it clearly, but he was spot on in what ended up happening.
hes always been really good at staying calm like that. if it wouldve been daron i think he wouldve gotten pissed off, but serj? hes willing to just listen.
It's also stern post divorce and early 9/11 rage. Howard shifted a lot around 2003-2004. He became more antiwar later. Tho now I bet he would support the Ukraine war and then stop supporting it when everyone else takes a hint....better late than never usually with Stern.
"It's not our fault they have a dictator". Literally has been untrue in sooo many instances. These people are brain dead. How serj kept his composure is beyond me.
Good lord I wouldn’t have been nearly as patient as Serj was during this interview. The woman is just intolerable. Serj handled himself well considering who he’s talking to.
@@unropednope4644 I just cackled out loud! wtf are you saying? If you think Robyn Quivers is a "right-wing extremist" you need to be committed for therapy!
the way howard just yelled at serj ab shit someone paraphrased for him is sickening. serj is nothing like any of the things the media were saying at the time
And fast forward to today, Howard has only gotten worse...100% establishment shill .. whatever counter-culture elements he still embodied in 2001 have been long since abandoned...sad..I used to listen to him religiously. Now, looking back I just cringe at interviews like this, where it seems like the whole studio are NPC's reading from a script, with not an original or critical thought between them....I wish Serj unloaded on them, but I'm simultaneously happy he took the high road, because obviously America wasn't ready for the truth, and was hell bent on turning the middle east into a graveyard
Serj allowed "whats wrong" play out in that interview. Whats wrong is that many in this world refuse to listen or reign themselves in. Stern is a prime example of a person who loves to hear himself talk, pretend to be interested and then proceed to project all over those he interviews. You can find those people everywhere, but we have a large number of them here.
Israel owns him. Installed purposely to spread propaganda and misinformation on subjects so that Israel can get a free pass. It was the first thing that he mentioned in the interview also that’s not a coincidence, it’s never a coincidence
That caller was an even bigger idiot. These were all government talking points that have not aged well at all. Serj hung in there and I give him credit.
@@idiotidiot5821 not much has changed in the way of overly confident pundits shoving their unfiltered thoughts through the media landscape unfortunately
Back then they were so naive they thought Indians were Arabians just cause of turbans....lots of Indians got their names dragged through the mud because of ignorance back then...
@@playdiscgolf1546 Yes, but they were being manipulated by both parties and the entire news media. People think of republicans as the evil war party because of both Bushs, but Obama expanded all of the war efforts, and started new military action in Syria and several African nations. Trump tried to pull troops back, but also continued to help Saudi Arabia destroy Yemen (still happening today). Both parties and all of the news media are pro-war.
I love that such a massively larger than life singing voice and artistic persona exist in the same man with that calm, thoughtful, jovial speaking voice. So effin cool
Nah. The comments were insensitive and the timing was terrible. Not to mention they're still wrong today. To suggest we deserved 9/11 was a ludicrous and evil statement.
@@John6-40timing is everything. When the US (the citizens not government) is reeling from deaths on a massive scale maybe it’s not the time to say “they’re like evil maaaaaaaaaannnn!!” It’s politicians. As Americans we didn’t want Vietnam. We weren’t a fan of Iraq. He’s talking in circles.
Howard obviously didn't know anything about America attempting regime change in Iran, resource domination in the Middle East and a myriad of other factors.
He knew what the news told him. Strait from the White House publicists to every news desk in America, this is what happened. We are not immune to what happens in North Korea and Russia and china. Have u seen the montages of White House press releases being spoken at hundreds of news stations verbatim yet is told by an anchor as if it is a local report on what is happening in the world. It’s wrong and we still let it happen
So basically a bunch of people yelled at Serj for 10 minutes straight without even letting him to defend himself and express his thoughts. Why doing an interview if you're not even interested in hearing what your guest has to say? They were so rude. I mean, they even made fun of his name by saying "Serj" with mockingly heavy accent. Poor journalism.
@@richardsteiner45 I don't know about you, but Howard Stern is NOT a shock jock. That’s just what the MSM called him in order to make him seem less important. He’s always been very smart and funny. Now yes, there was a period during the end of his marriage when most of his talk show was mostly striking strippers and interviewing porn stars about their experiences with sexual assault. But after his divorce, he took his show in a different direction. Once he was without the restrictions of the terrestrial radio format (multiple commercial breaks every hour) and he was able to talk to a guest for as long as he wanted without interruption, people started to realize that he was a great interviewer. Because he could take all the time he wanted and he has a good research team, he has been able to prove over and over that if you want a great, memorable interview, 6 minutes on Fallon is not going to do it, it may not even get anyone to see your movie or buy your book. But an hour on THSS on SiriusXM and you will have many new fans at the end of the segment. I'm not disagreeing that this was a terrible interview. It was. I'm just disagreeing that he's not a shock jock.
In his recent book Down with The System Serj talks about this exact moment in the prologue. Its amazing hearing this and really picturing what he weny through
Serj handled this brilliantly, especially given the moment this call is happening in. Truth is, the US did a LOT that made 9-11 a consequence. Bin Laden's "beef" is that the US has military barracks in Saudi Arabia, his homeland. We have tentacles in their government. Does that justify 9-11? Of course not. Bad diet doesn't justify a heart attack, but as adults we can recognize cause and effect. It's pretty shitty how Stern and his Mini-Me background vocal uses this opportunity to defend every US policy. This audio really brings me back to the confusion of that time.
@@Shawn-Leider to be honest very few people agreed with the wars in the Uk. A million people even marched on parliament to protest. It’s still happened anyway and we just accepted it. Short of political revolution i am not sure how we could have stopped it.
I think more like it aged terribly for Howard. I was like 12-13 at the time and even I was questioning the war. It made no f'ing sense and unfortunately the majority of people driven by fear and a desire for vengeance just bought the lies.
The lyrics to that System of the Down album, Toxicity, are VERY interesting and IRONIC, being number 1 on September 11....There are "eerie" similarities to what happened on Sept 11 that are literally said on that album....
Unjustified? I think it's highly debatable on whether we should've involved ourselves, but to act like Iraq and Afghanistan were innocent is asinine. Afghanistan in particular was not only housing Bin Laden and massive organizations of terrorists, they were actively hiding them while also producing much of the world's heroin. You may want to rethink your stance and do more research.
It was certainly very daring of Serj in the immediate period of the attacks, that is beyond question. I mean how tense the situation was, wow man. But what he said is true, you can twist and turn. It is simply true.
Understanding Oil By Serj Tankian 9/13/2001 "The brutal attacks/bombings this week in New York, and Washington D.C., along with threats of attacks there and elsewhere in the country have changed our times forever. While the mass media concentrates on the details of the destruction, and the blanketed words of politicians, I will attempt to understand and explain the events from the fence. BOMBING AND BEING BOMBED ARE THE SAME THINGS ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE FENCE. "Terror is not a spontaneous human action without credence. People just dont hijack planes and commit harikari (suicide) without any weight of thought to the action. No one in the media seems to ask WHY DID THESE PEOPLE DO THIS HORRIFIC ACT OF VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION? "To be able to understand the answer to this, we must first look at our U.S. Mideast Policy. During most of the 20th century, U.S. businesses have worked on attaining oil rights and concessions from countries in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. After WWI, secret back door deals by our State Dept. yielded oil rights from then defeated Turkey to fields in what is now Iraq and Saudi Arabia, in return for looking the other way at a crime against humanity, the Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks. Oil profits have been the motivating factors behind many attempts at counterinsurgency of democratic regimes by the CIA and the U.S in the Middle East (such as Iran in the 1950s, where the Shah replaced the Prime Minister who refused to give up oil rights to the U.S., and since the people couldnt deal with the Shah, an extremist government headed by the Ayatollah Khomeini ultimately prevailed). During the Iran-Iraq war, America supplied both sides with weapons and advice. These are not the actions of a rich superpower wanting peace. Lets not forget that Saddam Hussein, before being Americas vision of the Anti-Christ, was a close ally of the U.S., and the CIA. So what was the firm belief system of consecutive American administrations that caused all this to occur ? PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WILL LEAD TO HIGHER OIL AND GASOLINE PRICES. Lets not also forget the power of the Arms industry, disguised as defense, that still sells billions of dollars of weapons to the area. Therefore it has not been in the short-term economic interest of the U.S. to foster Peace in the Middle East. Using the above reasoning, the U.S. has encouraged extremist governments, toppled democracies, as in the case of Iran to replace it with a monarchy, rigged elections, and many more unspeakable political crimes for U.S. businesses abroad. Lets not also forget the Red Scare. During the war between the then Soviet Union and Afghanistan, the U.S. armed and supported the Taliban, a fundamentalist Muslim organization, and allowed them to export opium and heroin out of their country to pay for those weapons. Therefore the Taliban rose to power and control with the help of the U.S.A. Today, the bombing of Iraq still continues, no longer covered by the media, the economic embargo still remains, killing millions of children, and recently, while the world and the U.N. General Assembly have cried out to bring in peacekeeping forces into Israel and Palestine, to end the escalated war and recent assassinations, the U.S. has vetoed the rest of the Security Council and has halted the possibility of peace, there, in the most volatile place in the world. "People in Serbia, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, and Afghanistan to name a few have seen bombs fall, not always at military targets and kill innocent civilians, as the scene in New York city yesterday. The wars waged by our government in our names has landed smack in the middle of our living room. The half hour of destruction closed down all world financial markets, struck the central headquarters of our military, and had our leaders running into bunkers, and our citizens into fear and frenzy. What scares me more than what has occurred is what our reactions to the occurrences may cause. President Bush belongs to a long generation of Republican Presidents who love war economies. The media has only concentrated on the bombings, if you will, and what type of retaliations are looming for the perpetrators. What everyone fails to realize is that the bombings are a reaction to existing injustices around the world, generally unseen to most Americans. To react to a reaction would be to further sponsor the reaction. In other words, my belief is that the terror will multiply if concrete steps are not taken to sponsor peace in the middle east, NOW. This does not mean that we should not find the guilty party(s), Bin Laden, or whoever they may be, and not try them. Put simply, as long as a major injustice remains, violence precipitates to the surface of life. "Native American folklore, the Bible, Nostradamus, and many other major religious beliefs point to this era with the visuals of yesterdays disasters, and conditions of ecological disasters we experience daily in our lives today. War, rumors of war, famine, long burning fires, etc., are at our doorstep. We can prevail over this possible vision with the power of the human spirit, understanding, compassion, and peace. ITS TIME TO PUT OUR NEEDS FOR SECURITY AND SURVIVAL, ACHIEVED ONLY THROUGH PEACE, ABOVE AND BEYOND PROFITS, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES. SOLUTION: "The U.S. should stop sidestepping the U.N. Security Council, and allow U.N. Peacekeeping troops and missions to the Middle East. Stop the violence first. "Stop the bombing and patrol of Iraq. "With today's gains in the use of alternative fuels, develop them to full usage with autos and other utilities, to make the country less dependant on an already depleting natural reserve, oil. By initiating peace, we would have already shaken the foundations of support for Bin Laden, and/or all those that sponsor activities like those we saw yesterday, and break the stronghold of extremists on the world of Islam. On the other hand, if we carry out bombings on Afghanistan or elsewhere to appease public demand, and very likely kill innocent civilians along the way, we[']d be creating many more martyrs going to their deaths in retaliation against the retaliation. As shown from yesterdays events, you cannot stop a person whos ready to die."
"the fact is, we had planes fly over here and knock down our building". Wonder how many buildings the West have knocked over in the middle east at this point...
Anybody who spoke out at that time was singled out and called UnAmerican or a Terrorist. I can’t even listen to this because it’s just going to piss me off.
This is coming from a life long system of a down fan. Never seen a more braindead comment section on UA-cam, since it was created. Serj himself admits he couldn't say the things he says in a middle eastern country. Serj is a joke now, especially in the current state of the US where certain types of people are driving food resources out of their own communities listening to people like Serj. You people are destroying what good is left in this corrupt world, not us. You people are the problem.
Serj: "the media wasn't addressing why these events took place so I decided to write this 3 page piece" Robin: "so why are these things taking place?" Serj: "I really don't know" Serj is a smart guy and might have a good point but he was being too contradictory and vague here.
I get where he's coming from here, considering the context of this being literal days after the attacks with the shock and fear and anger running rampant, him releasing that statement with probably fresh thoughts on his mind, makes it hard to recall in the moment while speaking to people who were closed off and on the defensive.
It's so shocking to see how just 20 years ago, how insanely patriotic you were demanded to be. Today, nothing about what he said would have made anyone bat a eyelash but back then? Everyone's response to 9/11 was to become this flag waving patriot. Literally American flags were suddenly on every house, stores were completely sold out(which I remember because my mom was trying to buy one. Up until that point in my childhood we never had a flag hanging out front). I understand people were upset and scared and the whole "unity" thing was being pushed. I remember having a hard time understanding the gravity of what happened. I knew it was tragic and that people died but I think initially I thought it was an accident and I remember being super excited that practice was cancelled and hoping school would also be cancelled the next day. I didn't understand the magnitude of what I was seeing. I wasn't in school when the towers got hit, I had a doctor appointment that morning so I was sitting in a waiting room with my mom, sick kids and a few pregnant women when the towers went down. It was so silent in that waiting room, all the adults were just glued to the TV.
@@turnmeondeadman4221 The word “patriot” was hijacked years ago, it’s mainly just fools who would die to keep a rich asshole in office who call themselves patriots now.
@@turnmeondeadman4221yeah cause at those times everything was perfect right? The sole fact that people like serj we're put un a corner by clones like stern it's a Tiny proof of how fled up You we're at the time and before, always hiding everything on their flag and pride
@@turnmeondeadman4221(this is so late but) everyone and anyone can be patriotic for their country, that’s okay, but, the “patriotism” that started happening after 9/11 transformed into nationalism and Idk if you’re aware what nationalism is but people’s “patriotism” after the bombings got so extreme to the point where you could label it as nationalism
You have a career politician of almost 50 years as president that can't stop falling down on camera and can't complete his own sentences, and you think THIS is weird?
I know a lot of people are giving Howard a hard time about his replies here, and that's understandable, but this was a very unique time (within 10 days of 9/11) when most Americans were overly nationalistic and defensive of our nation. I remember even being supportive of GW Bush after 9/11 for a few weeks, which is NUTS in hindsight. I hated the guy, but those attacks not only hit our buildings -- they hit our psyche. I'm positive Stern regrets his approach in this interview, and Serj could not have been more diplomatic in his responses.
i agree with you. serj was correct in his standpoints, and it was clear that he also understood howards point of view. i dont agree with whatever howard said in this interiew, but its understandable that the country was in a state of panic.
That doesnt mean that the histeria they created was controlled by media, politicians and such that lead of years of racism and bigotry (that today still exists) towards people from midwest, it's easy to Say "yoo there we're crazy times" cause that could be any justificatiin to atrocitoes, just let pass some time and then Say all was crazy sonyou have to be crazy too...not buying that bs, a Lot of people inside USA couldnsee clearly the manipulación (like serj itself) and they we're pointed out almost like criminals for clowns like stern all over the place, i'm fine with people giving him and every moron that was part of this shitshow a jard time Even after years, they deserve it and it's not Even close to the damage they have done with their "work"
Everyone but Serj on here is so good at throwing up the propaganda lines. They’re like hysterical about it. People like Serj have made it so much better but it is still so bad.
The idiots on Howard Stern's show were saying "well we didn't do anything to deserve to be bombed" in one sentence, and then said "you're got damned right we're bombing Iraq" , we're fxckin 'Murica!" "What about, what about, what about?". This was depressing to hear. They had Serj on, to hear his perspective and then kept cutting him off to tell him what he said.
Compared to other countries he's right. Can't own guns in Canada and you face criminal charges in alotta countries for saying a racial slur. A word. Nobodies as free as us
I would have lost it on air lol. Watching this video made me angry. I definitely wish I was as calm and collected as Serj. Maybe I’ll get there someday.
@@awol.oper8r jeah otherwise he would be ... vanish :( but respect for him that he and his Crew where the only one who called Peace and for the World to Look into the War agains Armenia huge Respect also for there Music and his Epic Voice & Humanity
Difficult interview, especially when one side expects a certain perspective. I think war always doesn't matter which side you're on and if you ask black and white there are no colors in between, that may be true for the end result. People live or they are dead, they live in "freedom" or they are oppressed! The views that lead to the path of war are varied, there are many different reasons, it depends on which side you ask. Both sides glorifying the other side's intentions to the point where people die, from there both sides are completely wrong. There are so many bad reasons and views to criticize and oppose someone, you can talk about it, philosophize and sanction the other, but to kill him for it, no person, no nation has the right. The problem is that when you split the world in two you only know half the truth and still don't know all the views. But this is the most popular worldview... East and West, black and white. When you break it down, neither the West nor the East agree on what countries really want. In recent years, if you follow the individual countries a little more, not even the people in the individual nations agree among themselves. It is in the blood of a certain proportion of the world's population to choose the path of war instead of compromises, if you look at the history of mankind you can see that it has always been like this, but I don't want to endorse that, I was raised differently by my parents . The desire for peace and freedom is dreamed of by many, where the freedom of one begins that of the other ends... Unfortunately.
@@VerteidigerDerDemokratie yes you can resume all of that with saying; usa lost 2 towers and a lot of people die and that's it. Nothing we can do about that and serj doesnt have to do with any of that
@@ValerinePrisma I did not mean it like that. For me, the towers are not the decisive factor, but the many dead people. It was an extreme act without any justification, it is not legitimate to kill people just because people have died before or it is at the behest of a terrorist leader, ideology or not. However, the question remains when is it justified to kill a human being. Who threw the first stone and may give revenge as a reason, I say nobody. People should stop killing themselves senselessly.
This dude is talking about the Taliban like America didn't fund them. Talking about Iran as if America didnt depose their democratically elected leader in the 50s, allowing the religious autocracy to take power.
The religious autocracy was always there, whether it was in power or not. The majority of the world’s Muslims, not just Middle Eastern Muslims, believe in and want Shariah law. 20% of the worlds Muslim population is basically the size of the U.S. that’s a massive amount of people that can’t all claim “the United States or the West or Jews of infidels or whoever” messed up their lives and we’re evil. Look at United Arab Emirates. Do they look poor to you or oppressed? Uber wealthy Muslim majority countries still have ultra poor people and that’s the rich population of their own countries hoarding the wealth. I’ve talked to people from the Emirates saying on the outskirts it’s like stepping off of the Atlantic City boardwalk with all the wealth and casinos and you go a block or two and it’s desolate weed infested streets like Detroit
Serj is so sweet, he, always so self-confident, in this situation is clearly in trouble. Stern and the co-hosts are grilling him and he doesn't have the courage to go all the way (perhaps on the advice of his friend and producer Rubin) and reacts like any politician, talking about periphrases written by others and saying things like: "I didn't say this, I didn't write that..." and so on. Anyway, we'll see if the co-anchor got it right when she said Tankian should enter the government… 2024 is approaching…
There's so much wrong with this interview. I can't imagine having real authentic and truthful insight but not being able to communicate it to the world without potentially losing the platform from which gives you the opportunity to actually change the popular consensus, meanwhile being constantly interrupted and passively aggressively judged by those gleefully using their own platform to spread the misinformation you're desperately trying to combat. And he's so nice throughout the entire exchange. The tension hiding in this man's soul is a like a form of patience most people will likely never know. It's both sad and impressive.
I think it's great that we had differing voices/opinions back then when 9/11 was still fresh. I remember it being difficult for people to express negative opinions about our government and leaders at that time. Look what happened to the Dixie Chicks when they bashed on Bush.
This is hilarious because America armed Saddam Hussein from 1985 to 1989; and because the World Trade Center had a police fusion center inside of it, so it was not strictly civilian
i like how they were so caught up in the paraphrasing and wouldn't listen to Serj. Also, when robin was like, "we embargoed them and not bombed them." and serj was like, "no they are bombing them" and howards like "they deserved to be bombed." this is the misinformed preaching about policies they know nothing about.
Looking back on this, history proved that Serj was 100% right. People here are understandably giving Stern and his co-hosts a lot a crap but it wasn't just them. This was the prevailing attitude at that time and people were so quick to justify atrocities committed by the US government in the name of counter-terrorism and I think that's ultimately the point Serj was trying to get across
So weird to listen to how blood hungry they were after 9-11 and how they talked about Iraq and Afghanistan right before USA ripped the middle east a new one.
Political arguments and a hater saying that their unoriginal. even after system released their magnum opus before the magnum opus(s) and a cover that might be Funny if it was uploaded on April Fool's Day. or something else....... lol
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hahahahahaha how do you feel about trump winning again? also the drummer of SOAD is pro trump, suck on that lefty!
Where did the name victims of a down come from? Just curious
Damn imagine how much better this would’ve been if Howard had actually let Serj complete a sentence.
Howard's spider senses were tingling lol. Can't let this guy talk too much.
I hear the spider sense is kept up the nostrils of a handful
That dude really called SOAD unoriginal. That was the craziest shit said during this entire conversation
He probably thinks about that call sometimes when he hears them on the radio
He sounds like such a moron 😂
Serj is more intelligent than anyone in this video
100% agree
Howard loves hearing himself speak
So do I!
Now I understand. You’re correct.
If he weren't so wrong I wouldn't mind how much he talks.
So do I and I am a leader. Just like Howard is a leader. Someone has to speak
@@theskimaskboy sir do you have autism?
his abundance of patience is astounding
the bullying of people questioning the war in iraq in america post 9/11 was un fucking real ..
Howard's unironic, "They just hate our freedom!", is nauseating.
Nah, he's Armenian, like the rest of his band, so they know a thing or two about countries being swiftly taken over, and the propaganda that comes with it. 🙃Look up Armenian genocide.
It's not so much about patience, as it is, experience.
And then, patience.
This is coming from a life long system of a down fan. Never seen a more braindead comment section on UA-cam, since it was created. Serj himself admits he couldn't say the things he says in a middle eastern country. Serj is a joke now, especially in the current state of the US where certain types of people are driving food resources out of their own communities listening to people like Serj. You people are destroying what good is left in this corrupt world, not us. You people are the problem.
What are you talking about?
Serj's take here aged so well... It just wasn't the right time yet being so close to the day when tensions were where they were. Such a cool time capsule.
It was the right time, we just didn’t want to hear it. If we all thought this way, maybe we wouldn’t have been in the Middle East, killing innocent people, for 20 years.
so true @@playdiscgolf1546 . It was indeed the right time. I send you a huge hug from Spain! :)
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@@playdiscgolf1546 And maybe when we criticize Russia today it wouldn't ring so hollow with the nation that has invaded and killed so many civilians half a world away is denouncing a country for actions on their immediate border. They sold us those wars, and quietly waged many others we never even knew about.
The reality though is that we don't have the reigns over our own government.
It's kind of surreal hearing this now.
From what I understand, Tankian was just making an honest attempt to process and discuss what had happened, which is actually an important thing to do in the wake of a disaster like this. People need to take a moment to grieve, but after a few days, they need to start thinking more seriously about what's happened. Otherwise, they'll act out in ways that aren't properly considered and are a craps shoot on whether they make things worse or better.
At the time, though, his measured take (which most people now would see as almost banal and obvious) got him completely trashed by thousands of people. If anything, that's a good illustration of *why* what he said was important. If the population of the US had taken time to cool off before beginning their response, the world today would be a much better, safer place for almost everyone.
I hope Howard listens back at this and cringes. He was so wrong about all of this and serj was so right
"The poorest people have food and a television set" this statement shows how delusional howard is.
I totally agree.
Though that Howard was a smarter guy.
They didn't had any idea of reality.
@@1981JollyRoger That is howard's thing tho, he has hot takes on subjects he has a passing knowledge of, then when someone comes on the show who has analyzed the subject more or may be passionate about it, howard always ends looking like a babbling fool. Hoo hoo Robin 😀
@@1981JollyRoger it was very soon after the horrible attacks, emotions were still high. That said yeah I do hope he listens back to this and feels bad
And fuck robin quivers
@@JimmyORizzle Yes I understand that, no one would want to say anything against the government at time, it would be probably considered anti patriotic or even communist. But I have take my hat off for Serj, for he was able to say what no one would.
“Our poorest people have tvs and food in their mouths”
So does Howard stern not know about homeless people?
What he doesn't seem to understand at that moment that owning TV is not a measure of healthy society.
I've just came back from a trip to Denmark, and let me tell you, coming back to US is like returning back to Wild West after a trip to the future. US is for young, healthy and rich, and that is its strength. But if you don't have 2 out of these 3, you are screwed, and nobody will care.
Arriving in JFK terminal, being in line of 900 people and having one dirty bathroom for all them, really made me open my eyes (yet again.
nope
Lol this was in 2001, homelessness was just getting started. It wasn't the complete shit show it is now. But hey we spent Trillions on those wars.
@@marciamartins1992 “homelessness was just getting started” >born 1992 yeah your opinion can be safely discarded
@@marciamartins1992 facepalm... look up new york city footage from the 70s
Serj Tankian is so much more intelligent than anyone else on that show that he shouldn't have even lowered himself to feel like he owed them an answer.
It wasnt stern the entire media was very different at the time.
I see what you mean, but he didn't owe them an answer in my opinion
in all fairness it was a comedy show with a LARGE reach. I think stern gave him a solid platform (especially with the show being based in new york and stern having stayed on the air when 9/11 happened.) to say that he knew it was too soon for what he said and that it came from an emotional place.
It was the number one syndicated radio show and they're probably never be a show that has a bigger audience live. And love them or hate them I would argue that Howard Stern's IQ is very high
Acting "above it all" is a sign of low intelligence, he was just being a contrarian.
Poor Serj, dealing with this type of idiots.
The anger that people had after 9/11 got easily used by the Bush administration to start the biggest mess in the middle east, that is still rippling through today.
Serj is being so patient here, wow. Howard and Robin just won't stop talking... wonder how they feel about this now.
I remember the shock at the televised start of the Iraq war, and all the antiwar protests.
(As a side note, I was in Manhattan on 9/11, and my stepmom worked in the towers (her company lost 358 people that day).
He gained blind support. Americans are the most belligerent culture and they were manipulated.
ISIS wouldnt have happened if the US wouldnt eff up Iraq.
wow... cantor? ❤
@@gregoryallen0001 Marsh Mclennan
@@opart ❤️
Who else is here from down with the system
My copy JUST came in the mail today. It’s a signed copy.
@@MasterOrona same
Haha down with the syndrome
reading it now. never knew this interview existed. this book is taking me on one hell of a trip man
I’m reading the book now but I’ve been a fan since birth
Serj handled this gracefully, didnt expect anything less than that from him anyways.
He retracted everything he said. Like a coward. Nothing graceful about that. Suddenly he couldn’t remember anything he wrote.
what was graceful ? What did he even say during this airtime ?
@@jazz96765 grey point👍
Trump broke his brain. Apparently Trump is the only bad politician in the United States anymore and we can trust the Democrats and the "good" Republicans.
But think about what he said, and the reality of what happened. We ended up invading Iraq and taking on Al Qaeda, and killed millions of innocents and only created more enemies. Serj might not have said it clearly, but he was spot on in what ended up happening.
How can Serj be so polite with these animals
Fear
Because that's just who he is as a person. The man just wants to love in peace and the same for everyone else. Dude really does just have a good heart
Serj is normally calm and cordial,that's his shtick and he's good at it.
hes always been really good at staying calm like that. if it wouldve been daron i think he wouldve gotten pissed off, but serj? hes willing to just listen.
He's afraid. He wrote a long piece but can't explain himself or answer questions in person.
When guest's IQ and wisdom of heart is double the hosts's combined.
Wait! He’s got two hearts?
Man, barely let Serj Speak eh? Man I'm not a fan how they handled this
Stern is a fluke
Ok I see now. It’s a bit much.
The same religion that howard belongs to is the same that run the media. And banks. And Hollywood.
It's also stern post divorce and early 9/11 rage. Howard shifted a lot around 2003-2004. He became more antiwar later. Tho now I bet he would support the Ukraine war and then stop supporting it when everyone else takes a hint....better late than never usually with Stern.
Wow this really shows Serj's patience, intelligence and understanding. Howard on the other hand sounds exactly like a narcissist i know personally.
Serj was not wrong
And Azerbaijan is not wrong either yet he cries about them all the time
Tough pill to swallow, but true
Going to war is bad actually
OMG! This is a real piece of history! Thank you very much for finding this and sharing it🙏
You're welcome
howard doesnt know how to take turns 💀
wow this was lost media , he was rude with serj thats for sure
true. I think there was a short snippet of the interview (might be on a different date) in Serj Tankian's "speak the truth"
It's Howard Stern, he's notorious for being an asshole.
stern was rude with everyone back then
Serj Is So Calm
"It's not our fault they have a dictator". Literally has been untrue in sooo many instances. These people are brain dead. How serj kept his composure is beyond me.
🙌
Serj was too nice to these idiots
most leftists are usually cowards who cant back anything up face to face, charlottesville showed that LMAO
They were all rabid dogs at the time, if he even hinted at truth on the air, they would have torn him apart. Cancel culture goes way back.
Serj didn't get to say almost anything.
Good lord I wouldn’t have been nearly as patient as Serj was during this interview. The woman is just intolerable. Serj handled himself well considering who he’s talking to.
Yeah she was acting very disrespectful 😒
@linkmaster5555 robin is very extremist and right wing unfortunately. I don't know why howard keeps her around this day and age.
@@unropednope4644 I just cackled out loud! wtf are you saying? If you think Robyn Quivers is a "right-wing extremist" you need to be committed for therapy!
@@unropednope4644Robin is right wing?! Hahaahahah you fucking dope!
@@unropednope4644right wing my ass
the way howard just yelled at serj ab shit someone paraphrased for him is sickening. serj is nothing like any of the things the media were saying at the time
Howard didn’t yell once in this entire piece
@@AarosConcertsya he did
Semitic behavior
sheesh@@islamokhazarian366
It is wild how emotions got so high at that time that someone like Stern who has been fighting the U.S. gov his whole life became an apologist.
To be fair Serj became one too when Obama came into office. Then drone bombing civilians was trendy and progressive.
and being an apologist for terrorism is better?
@@shinybeast8946I don't understand.
Serj points out terrorism committed by the US and somehow that means he supports terrorist?
He's justifying it.@@bigchedds8389
And fast forward to today, Howard has only gotten worse...100% establishment shill .. whatever counter-culture elements he still embodied in 2001 have been long since abandoned...sad..I used to listen to him religiously. Now, looking back I just cringe at interviews like this, where it seems like the whole studio are NPC's reading from a script, with not an original or critical thought between them....I wish Serj unloaded on them, but I'm simultaneously happy he took the high road, because obviously America wasn't ready for the truth, and was hell bent on turning the middle east into a graveyard
Serj allowed "whats wrong" play out in that interview. Whats wrong is that many in this world refuse to listen or reign themselves in. Stern is a prime example of a person who loves to hear himself talk, pretend to be interested and then proceed to project all over those he interviews. You can find those people everywhere, but we have a large number of them here.
Israel owns him. Installed purposely to spread propaganda and misinformation on subjects so that Israel can get a free pass. It was the first thing that he mentioned in the interview also that’s not a coincidence, it’s never a coincidence
That caller was an even bigger idiot. These were all government talking points that have not aged well at all. Serj hung in there and I give him credit.
I seriously hate watching sociopaths succeed when I actively try to sabotage my own sociopathic tendencies.
@@idiotidiot5821 not much has changed in the way of overly confident pundits shoving their unfiltered thoughts through the media landscape unfortunately
This is how it feels to have a conversation with my grandfather
Ask him about the Germans
@@themoongateofficial oh he loves the germans
"How do you talk to people, you can`t talk to" Serj Chuckles...
He laughed cause he could barely get a word in lmao
They were hypocrites on that
"The exact statement was 3 pages long" says enough .. Serj put in alot of thought and work into that statement.
I was searching for this audio years ago, thank you very much
serj is so patient i could never
Very interesting now as an adult, when I was in 6th grade during 911, to look back on way people acted after the event.
complete paradigm shift
Back then they were so naive they thought Indians were Arabians just cause of turbans....lots of Indians got their names dragged through the mud because of ignorance back then...
“Bomb em” “nuke em”
Are things I heard daily. And they were talking about an entire country, that had nothing to do with 9/11.
We definitely had the war fervor.
@@playdiscgolf1546 Yes, but they were being manipulated by both parties and the entire news media.
People think of republicans as the evil war party because of both Bushs, but Obama expanded all of the war efforts, and started new military action in Syria and several African nations.
Trump tried to pull troops back, but also continued to help Saudi Arabia destroy Yemen (still happening today).
Both parties and all of the news media are pro-war.
I love that such a massively larger than life singing voice and artistic persona exist in the same man with that calm, thoughtful, jovial speaking voice. So effin cool
serj is so down to earth
He’s a System of a Down to earth
@@michaelantonio2702hoo haa!! 🚀
lolllll@@michaelantonio2702
And now years later lots owe Serj an apology.
Nah. The comments were insensitive and the timing was terrible. Not to mention they're still wrong today. To suggest we deserved 9/11 was a ludicrous and evil statement.
He said the opposite actually, go back and listen
@@John6-40he never said USA deserved 9/11 🙄
@@John6-40timing is everything. When the US (the citizens not government) is reeling from deaths on a massive scale maybe it’s not the time to say “they’re like evil maaaaaaaaaannnn!!” It’s politicians. As Americans we didn’t want Vietnam. We weren’t a fan of Iraq. He’s talking in circles.
@dericandkhristy, he never said that. Stop twisting serj words . Stern kept cutting him off as well. Howard is a piece of crap anyways
Howard obviously didn't know anything about America attempting regime change in Iran, resource domination in the Middle East and a myriad of other factors.
He knew what the news told him. Strait from the White House publicists to every news desk in America, this is what happened. We are not immune to what happens in North Korea and Russia and china. Have u seen the montages of White House press releases being spoken at hundreds of news stations verbatim yet is told by an anchor as if it is a local report on what is happening in the world. It’s wrong and we still let it happen
Finally I've found this interview, I swear I couldn't find it for years.
“You’re not a communist Serj, are you?”, as they put him through a Maoist struggle session.
You’ve been watching too much Jordan Peterson. Try having original thought…for once.
@@glengamble526 How about refuting my statement instead of devolving into ad-hominem attack? Do you even know what a Maoist struggle session is?
@@glengamble526 L+Ratio loser
@@kyleolin3566he doesn’t, because JP is bad because his tv told him so.
@@glengamble526try watching some Jordan Peterson bro he’s really smart
So basically a bunch of people yelled at Serj for 10 minutes straight without even letting him to defend himself and express his thoughts. Why doing an interview if you're not even interested in hearing what your guest has to say? They were so rude. I mean, they even made fun of his name by saying "Serj" with mockingly heavy accent. Poor journalism.
It's Howard Stern bro. And the world wasn't so soft back then....the good ol days
Exactly haha you said it perfectly. Serj was way more patient than I would’ve been
its not journalism it was shock jock radio. It was huge at the time
@@connorbrooks4817 He was more patient than ANYONE could of been here. The amount of respect I have for him is HUGGEEE.
@@richardsteiner45 I don't know about you, but Howard Stern is NOT a shock jock. That’s just what the MSM called him in order to make him seem less important. He’s always been very smart and funny. Now yes, there was a period during the end of his marriage when most of his talk show was mostly striking strippers and interviewing porn stars about their experiences with sexual assault. But after his divorce, he took his show in a different direction.
Once he was without the restrictions of the terrestrial radio format (multiple commercial breaks every hour) and he was able to talk to a guest for as long as he wanted without interruption, people started to realize that he was a great interviewer.
Because he could take all the time he wanted and he has a good research team, he has been able to prove over and over that if you want a great, memorable interview, 6 minutes on Fallon is not going to do it, it may not even get anyone to see your movie or buy your book. But an hour on THSS on SiriusXM and you will have many new fans at the end of the segment.
I'm not disagreeing that this was a terrible interview. It was. I'm just disagreeing that he's not a shock jock.
In his recent book Down with The System Serj talks about this exact moment in the prologue. Its amazing hearing this and really picturing what he weny through
Surj is intelligent, everyone else speaking....not so much. They should have listened for a change.
Serj calls in to listen to Howard Stern talk.😂
Howard had him on so he could explain himself while being interrupted by Howard.
I hope the hosts realize that they barely gave a chance for Serj to speak. I know he had a lot more to give.
Serj handled this brilliantly, especially given the moment this call is happening in. Truth is, the US did a LOT that made 9-11 a consequence. Bin Laden's "beef" is that the US has military barracks in Saudi Arabia, his homeland. We have tentacles in their government. Does that justify 9-11? Of course not. Bad diet doesn't justify a heart attack, but as adults we can recognize cause and effect. It's pretty shitty how Stern and his Mini-Me background vocal uses this opportunity to defend every US policy. This audio really brings me back to the confusion of that time.
Did he though? He said he wrote a 3 page piece on why 9/11 happened but when asked why it happened he said he really didn't know.
The dude didn't say anything though.
Saudi Arabia's royal family kept all the oil money for themselves, the peasants didn't like it, and we didn't give a shit. In a nut shell.
"Everyone's looking to be passed at someone"... yeah, Howard, you're proving thay also.
bruh this interview was so badly handled.
Serge was 22 years ahead of everyone
Yeah, no one else said this back then. Foh
@@mindlanderas a prominent popular public figure ? Yeah he was one of the few nobody was even making bush did 9/11 jokes cus shit was so new ffs
@@themoongateofficial I like how you know other well known people were saying this. That's why you said one of..not the only one.
Wow this aged incredible well for Serj
Yes. But really aged well sucks. It means we missed the ball for a long time. Even while people like him sat there and explained it to us
@@Shawn-Leider to be honest very few people agreed with the wars in the Uk. A million people even marched on parliament to protest. It’s still happened anyway and we just accepted it. Short of political revolution i am not sure how we could have stopped it.
@@justsomeguy1141Yes, it's really hard to convince people to not trust their government. I guess it has to be experienced individually.
I think more like it aged terribly for Howard. I was like 12-13 at the time and even I was questioning the war. It made no f'ing sense and unfortunately the majority of people driven by fear and a desire for vengeance just bought the lies.
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS JUST 2 DAYS AGO!! THANK YOU
The lyrics to that System of the Down album, Toxicity, are VERY interesting and IRONIC, being number 1 on September 11....There are "eerie" similarities to what happened on Sept 11 that are literally said on that album....
OMG Howard is wrong on this.. they hate us because we have TVs.. 😂
Jealousy
this was the narrative that the media was pushing at the time. "the terrorists hate our freedom"
this is the kind of thinking that led to 2 unjustified wars and the current state of affairs.
Unjustified? I think it's highly debatable on whether we should've involved ourselves, but to act like Iraq and Afghanistan were innocent is asinine.
Afghanistan in particular was not only housing Bin Laden and massive organizations of terrorists, they were actively hiding them while also producing much of the world's heroin.
You may want to rethink your stance and do more research.
More like 22 wars.
Here after reading the opening to the memoir! Fascinating (and a little sad) hearing this after hearing Serj’s firsthand experience.
I’ve always really like Serj. We probably disagree on some things here and there, but I’ve always appreciated him.
It was certainly very daring of Serj in the immediate period of the attacks, that is beyond question.
I mean how tense the situation was, wow man.
But what he said is true, you can twist and turn. It is simply true.
How about The Dixie Chicks? They were a huge country group, and they were completely cancelled because they were against the wars.
Understanding Oil
By Serj Tankian
9/13/2001
"The brutal attacks/bombings this week in New York, and Washington D.C., along with threats of attacks there and elsewhere in the country have changed our times forever. While the mass media concentrates on the details of the destruction, and the blanketed words of politicians, I will attempt to understand and explain the events from the fence. BOMBING AND BEING BOMBED ARE THE SAME THINGS ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE FENCE.
"Terror is not a spontaneous human action without credence. People just dont hijack planes and commit harikari (suicide) without any weight of thought to the action. No one in the media seems to ask WHY DID THESE PEOPLE DO THIS HORRIFIC ACT OF VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION?
"To be able to understand the answer to this, we must first look at our U.S. Mideast Policy. During most of the 20th century, U.S. businesses have worked on attaining oil rights and concessions from countries in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. After WWI, secret back door deals by our State Dept. yielded oil rights from then defeated Turkey to fields in what is now Iraq and Saudi Arabia, in return for looking the other way at a crime against humanity, the Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks. Oil profits have been the motivating factors behind many attempts at counterinsurgency of democratic regimes by the CIA and the U.S in the Middle East (such as Iran in the 1950s, where the Shah replaced the Prime Minister who refused to give up oil rights to the U.S., and since the people couldnt deal with the Shah, an extremist government headed by the Ayatollah Khomeini ultimately prevailed). During the Iran-Iraq war, America supplied both sides with weapons and advice. These are not the actions of a rich superpower wanting peace. Lets not forget that Saddam Hussein, before being Americas vision of the Anti-Christ, was a close ally of the U.S., and the CIA. So what was the firm belief system of consecutive American administrations that caused all this to occur ? PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WILL LEAD TO HIGHER OIL AND GASOLINE PRICES. Lets not also forget the power of the Arms industry, disguised as defense, that still sells billions of dollars of weapons to the area. Therefore it has not been in the short-term economic interest of the U.S. to foster Peace in the Middle East. Using the above reasoning, the U.S. has encouraged extremist governments, toppled democracies, as in the case of Iran to replace it with a monarchy, rigged elections, and many more unspeakable political crimes for U.S. businesses abroad. Lets not also forget the Red Scare. During the war between the then Soviet Union and Afghanistan, the U.S. armed and supported the Taliban, a fundamentalist Muslim organization, and allowed them to export opium and heroin out of their country to pay for those weapons. Therefore the Taliban rose to power and control with the help of the U.S.A. Today, the bombing of Iraq still continues, no longer covered by the media, the economic embargo still remains, killing millions of children, and recently, while the world and the U.N. General Assembly have cried out to bring in peacekeeping forces into Israel and Palestine, to end the escalated war and recent assassinations, the U.S. has vetoed the rest of the Security Council and has halted the possibility of peace, there, in the most volatile place in the world.
"People in Serbia, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, and Afghanistan to name a few have seen bombs fall, not always at military targets and kill innocent civilians, as the scene in New York city yesterday. The wars waged by our government in our names has landed smack in the middle of our living room. The half hour of destruction closed down all world financial markets, struck the central headquarters of our military, and had our leaders running into bunkers, and our citizens into fear and frenzy. What scares me more than what has occurred is what our reactions to the occurrences may cause. President Bush belongs to a long generation of Republican Presidents who love war economies. The media has only concentrated on the bombings, if you will, and what type of retaliations are looming for the perpetrators. What everyone fails to realize is that the bombings are a reaction to existing injustices around the world, generally unseen to most Americans. To react to a reaction would be to further sponsor the reaction. In other words, my belief is that the terror will multiply if concrete steps are not taken to sponsor peace in the middle east, NOW. This does not mean that we should not find the guilty party(s), Bin Laden, or whoever they may be, and not try them. Put simply, as long as a major injustice remains, violence precipitates to the surface of life.
"Native American folklore, the Bible, Nostradamus, and many other major religious beliefs point to this era with the visuals of yesterdays disasters, and conditions of ecological disasters we experience daily in our lives today. War, rumors of war, famine, long burning fires, etc., are at our doorstep. We can prevail over this possible vision with the power of the human spirit, understanding, compassion, and peace. ITS TIME TO PUT OUR NEEDS FOR SECURITY AND SURVIVAL, ACHIEVED ONLY THROUGH PEACE, ABOVE AND BEYOND PROFITS, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES.
SOLUTION:
"The U.S. should stop sidestepping the U.N. Security Council, and allow U.N. Peacekeeping troops and missions to the Middle East. Stop the violence first.
"Stop the bombing and patrol of Iraq.
"With today's gains in the use of alternative fuels, develop them to full usage with autos and other utilities, to make the country less dependant on an already depleting natural reserve, oil.
By initiating peace, we would have already shaken the foundations of support for Bin Laden, and/or all those that sponsor activities like those we saw yesterday, and break the stronghold of extremists on the world of Islam. On the other hand, if we carry out bombings on Afghanistan or elsewhere to appease public demand, and very likely kill innocent civilians along the way, we[']d be creating many more martyrs going to their deaths in retaliation against the retaliation. As shown from yesterdays events, you cannot stop a person whos ready to die."
Damn Serj is a class act human being i would have lost it lol 😆
"the fact is, we had planes fly over here and knock down our building".
Wonder how many buildings the West have knocked over in the middle east at this point...
A perfect example of a conversation between an intelligent and respectful person and, I think, a quite ignorant interviewer.
Anybody who spoke out at that time was singled out and called UnAmerican or a Terrorist. I can’t even listen to this because it’s just going to piss me off.
This woman can’t even point Iraq on the map and she’s talking like she has two phds in world affairs.
I never was a big SOAD fan but I listened to this because I'm bored. I gained some newfound respect.
This is coming from a life long system of a down fan. Never seen a more braindead comment section on UA-cam, since it was created. Serj himself admits he couldn't say the things he says in a middle eastern country. Serj is a joke now, especially in the current state of the US where certain types of people are driving food resources out of their own communities listening to people like Serj. You people are destroying what good is left in this corrupt world, not us. You people are the problem.
Serj: "the media wasn't addressing why these events took place so I decided to write this 3 page piece"
Robin: "so why are these things taking place?"
Serj: "I really don't know"
Serj is a smart guy and might have a good point but he was being too contradictory and vague here.
he had to..or there was not been released the memorized album
I get where he's coming from here, considering the context of this being literal days after the attacks with the shock and fear and anger running rampant, him releasing that statement with probably fresh thoughts on his mind, makes it hard to recall in the moment while speaking to people who were closed off and on the defensive.
He looks like Screech in that pic.
It's so shocking to see how just 20 years ago, how insanely patriotic you were demanded to be. Today, nothing about what he said would have made anyone bat a eyelash but back then? Everyone's response to 9/11 was to become this flag waving patriot. Literally American flags were suddenly on every house, stores were completely sold out(which I remember because my mom was trying to buy one. Up until that point in my childhood we never had a flag hanging out front).
I understand people were upset and scared and the whole "unity" thing was being pushed. I remember having a hard time understanding the gravity of what happened. I knew it was tragic and that people died but I think initially I thought it was an accident and I remember being super excited that practice was cancelled and hoping school would also be cancelled the next day. I didn't understand the magnitude of what I was seeing. I wasn't in school when the towers got hit, I had a doctor appointment that morning so I was sitting in a waiting room with my mom, sick kids and a few pregnant women when the towers went down. It was so silent in that waiting room, all the adults were just glued to the TV.
Look at how divided we are today . Patriotism is a great thing . What are the issues with it ?
@@turnmeondeadman4221 The word “patriot” was hijacked years ago, it’s mainly just fools who would die to keep a rich asshole in office who call themselves patriots now.
@@turnmeondeadman4221yeah cause at those times everything was perfect right? The sole fact that people like serj we're put un a corner by clones like stern it's a Tiny proof of how fled up You we're at the time and before, always hiding everything on their flag and pride
@@turnmeondeadman4221(this is so late but) everyone and anyone can be patriotic for their country, that’s okay, but, the “patriotism” that started happening after 9/11 transformed into nationalism and Idk if you’re aware what nationalism is but people’s “patriotism” after the bombings got so extreme to the point where you could label it as nationalism
You have a career politician of almost 50 years as president that can't stop falling down on camera and can't complete his own sentences, and you think THIS is weird?
Howard sounding like a shill
He is...a liberal shill now
Serj’s take aged well. Howard and his group sound like crazy boomers
I know a lot of people are giving Howard a hard time about his replies here, and that's understandable, but this was a very unique time (within 10 days of 9/11) when most Americans were overly nationalistic and defensive of our nation. I remember even being supportive of GW Bush after 9/11 for a few weeks, which is NUTS in hindsight. I hated the guy, but those attacks not only hit our buildings -- they hit our psyche.
I'm positive Stern regrets his approach in this interview, and Serj could not have been more diplomatic in his responses.
i agree with you. serj was correct in his standpoints, and it was clear that he also understood howards point of view. i dont agree with whatever howard said in this interiew, but its understandable that the country was in a state of panic.
That doesnt mean that the histeria they created was controlled by media, politicians and such that lead of years of racism and bigotry (that today still exists) towards people from midwest, it's easy to Say "yoo there we're crazy times" cause that could be any justificatiin to atrocitoes, just let pass some time and then Say all was crazy sonyou have to be crazy too...not buying that bs, a Lot of people inside USA couldnsee clearly the manipulación (like serj itself) and they we're pointed out almost like criminals for clowns like stern all over the place, i'm fine with people giving him and every moron that was part of this shitshow a jard time Even after years, they deserve it and it's not Even close to the damage they have done with their "work"
I was only 17 when this happened and I definitely didn't fall for the b.s.
Come on I was in my teenage years and people knew it was about the OIL
@jamesjones1226thwy want to thats why they arw jealous of the U.S.
People forget how huge Chop Suey blew up during that time. That video played like 30 times a day on MTV.
Yeah that caller was a moron. I vividly remember toxicity exploding, immediately
From 2001 to 2006 SOAD was the number one band in the world full stop
They were huge around this time.
As a non-American, I'll never understand how Howard Stern stayed on the air for so long.
Why don't ask Howard who supported Iraq and Saddam during the war with Iran.
Wow good find, i was struggling to find this interview and you did!
Everyone but Serj on here is so good at throwing up the propaganda lines. They’re like hysterical about it. People like Serj have made it so much better but it is still so bad.
Serj was ahead of his time
Howard is famous for not shutting up
The idiots on Howard Stern's show were saying "well we didn't do anything to deserve to be bombed" in one sentence, and then said "you're got damned right we're bombing Iraq" , we're fxckin 'Murica!" "What about, what about, what about?". This was depressing to hear. They had Serj on, to hear his perspective and then kept cutting him off to tell him what he said.
I love the US, but when the anchor started saying "our way of life is so fantastic" i couldn't help but laugh.
The world flees to America you dope
Compared to other countries he's right. Can't own guns in Canada and you face criminal charges in alotta countries for saying a racial slur. A word. Nobodies as free as us
Why.. it is
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The US is great. The government is very corrupted and has secrets that have been exposed but some people don't open their eyes.
I would have lost it on air lol. Watching this video made me angry. I definitely wish I was as calm and collected as Serj. Maybe I’ll get there someday.
Just bad timing, which he admitted to when asked. There's a time to complain, but during a wake is not that time.
sry but Howard Stern talking bs.. today we know more much more... how bad the US Politics are.
Serj was so ahead of his time, but he had to speak so carefully during it
@@awol.oper8r jeah otherwise he would be ... vanish :( but respect for him that he and his Crew where the only one who called Peace and for the World to Look into the War agains Armenia huge Respect also for there Music and his Epic Voice & Humanity
Today we know much more is the key phrase here
Difficult interview, especially when one side expects a certain perspective. I think war always doesn't matter which side you're on and if you ask black and white there are no colors in between, that may be true for the end result. People live or they are dead, they live in "freedom" or they are oppressed! The views that lead to the path of war are varied, there are many different reasons, it depends on which side you ask. Both sides glorifying the other side's intentions to the point where people die, from there both sides are completely wrong. There are so many bad reasons and views to criticize and oppose someone, you can talk about it, philosophize and sanction the other, but to kill him for it, no person, no nation has the right. The problem is that when you split the world in two you only know half the truth and still don't know all the views. But this is the most popular worldview... East and West, black and white. When you break it down, neither the West nor the East agree on what countries really want. In recent years, if you follow the individual countries a little more, not even the people in the individual nations agree among themselves. It is in the blood of a certain proportion of the world's population to choose the path of war instead of compromises, if you look at the history of mankind you can see that it has always been like this, but I don't want to endorse that, I was raised differently by my parents . The desire for peace and freedom is dreamed of by many, where the freedom of one begins that of the other ends... Unfortunately.
There is a little bit of comment in your bible
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Interesting, but I don't think that the topic of the 911 in particular could be dealt with in a few words.
@@VerteidigerDerDemokratie yes you can resume all of that with saying; usa lost 2 towers and a lot of people die and that's it. Nothing we can do about that and serj doesnt have to do with any of that
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I did not mean it like that. For me, the towers are not the decisive factor, but the many dead people. It was an extreme act without any justification, it is not legitimate to kill people just because people have died before or it is at the behest of a terrorist leader, ideology or not. However, the question remains when is it justified to kill a human being. Who threw the first stone and may give revenge as a reason, I say nobody. People should stop killing themselves senselessly.
This dude is talking about the Taliban like America didn't fund them. Talking about Iran as if America didnt depose their democratically elected leader in the 50s, allowing the religious autocracy to take power.
The religious autocracy was always there, whether it was in power or not. The majority of the world’s Muslims, not just Middle Eastern Muslims, believe in and want Shariah law. 20% of the worlds Muslim population is basically the size of the U.S. that’s a massive amount of people that can’t all claim “the United States or the West or Jews of infidels or whoever” messed up their lives and we’re evil. Look at United Arab Emirates. Do they look poor to you or oppressed? Uber wealthy Muslim majority countries still have ultra poor people and that’s the rich population of their own countries hoarding the wealth. I’ve talked to people from the Emirates saying on the outskirts it’s like stepping off of the Atlantic City boardwalk with all the wealth and casinos and you go a block or two and it’s desolate weed infested streets like Detroit
Serj is so sweet, he, always so self-confident, in this situation is clearly in trouble. Stern and the co-hosts are grilling him and he doesn't have the courage to go all the way (perhaps on the advice of his friend and producer Rubin) and reacts like any politician, talking about periphrases written by others and saying things like: "I didn't say this, I didn't write that..." and so on. Anyway, we'll see if the co-anchor got it right when she said Tankian should enter the government… 2024 is approaching…
There's so much wrong with this interview. I can't imagine having real authentic and truthful insight but not being able to communicate it to the world without potentially losing the platform from which gives you the opportunity to actually change the popular consensus, meanwhile being constantly interrupted and passively aggressively judged by those gleefully using their own platform to spread the misinformation you're desperately trying to combat. And he's so nice throughout the entire exchange. The tension hiding in this man's soul is a like a form of patience most people will likely never know. It's both sad and impressive.
I think it's great that we had differing voices/opinions back then when 9/11 was still fresh. I remember it being difficult for people to express negative opinions about our government and leaders at that time. Look what happened to the Dixie Chicks when they bashed on Bush.
This is hilarious because America armed Saddam Hussein from 1985 to 1989; and because the World Trade Center had a police fusion center inside of it, so it was not strictly civilian
US armed Osama Bin laden's army, the Mujahedeen to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
i like how they were so caught up in the paraphrasing and wouldn't listen to Serj. Also, when robin was like, "we embargoed them and not bombed them." and serj was like, "no they are bombing them" and howards like "they deserved to be bombed." this is the misinformed preaching about policies they know nothing about.
Looking back on this, history proved that Serj was 100% right. People here are understandably giving Stern and his co-hosts a lot a crap but it wasn't just them. This was the prevailing attitude at that time and people were so quick to justify atrocities committed by the US government in the name of counter-terrorism and I think that's ultimately the point Serj was trying to get across
One thousand percent, serj is a genius
Still waiting for Howard to shut up and let Serj get more than one word out at a time lol
So weird to listen to how blood hungry they were after 9-11 and how they talked about Iraq and Afghanistan right before USA ripped the middle east a new one.
They. Howard's religion
@@l3loodyfingersMaybe that's why he bungled the interview.
American: What’ve we done wrong?
Rest of the world:😒
wtf did i just hear?
Political arguments and a hater saying that their unoriginal. even after system released their magnum opus before the magnum opus(s) and a cover that might be Funny if it was uploaded on April Fool's Day.
or something else.......
lol
Stern's whole studio represents how ignorant americans were (still are) about U.S. foreign policy.
The foot is firmly on our necks: 1. keep people busy working their butts off just to survive. 2. make sure you own the media. 3. keep the fear coming. 4. Divide and conquer.
Post 9/11 is so weird
I've been traumatized ever since.
I don’t know what everybody else is thinking, listening to this, but I hear someone saving face!
They are trying to bait him .
Serg is the only one talking sense