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Fighter Pilot vs DCS Developer | High Aspect BFM Setups (Ft. Wags) Part ONE
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- Опубліковано 11 сер 2019
- Wags and I went out on a 1 v 1 (Hornet vs. F-5) to demonstrate high aspect basic fighter maneuver setups and fights. Part one includes the full brief and flight. Stay tuned for Part TWO with a Tacview debrief and fight analysis.
Mondays with Mover - Episode 55
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You know you're a nerd when you've spent 30 minutes watching two guys do simulated dogfights inside a simulation.
Yea, but one of them is a real fighter pilot so it's okay then.
yeah wtf but so interesting!
At least it's not Overwatch or Starcraft. I forgive myself and everybody else.
No, you're a nerd when you spend 30 minutes watching the video of the simulated debrief of the simulated battle flown in a simulator. :)
But in our defense, this is a fabulous chance to learn from the best. I wanna step up my game in the F-18.
Linebacker: "What's your fuel state, Ralfi?"
Ralfidude: "Master caution."
😂🤣 That's funny!
Dcs in a nutshell
@@CWLemoine If you haven't seen it... ua-cam.com/video/97bkhlXT5R0/v-deo.html
😂
I actually saw that already in the comments under a A-10c Video
Mover reviewing his own content: "This isn't realistic at all, you don't have the briefing on the runway"
It’s CGI! 😂
@@CWLemoine Hahaha just giving you shit, bud. Loved the Battlefield critique. Your expertise is refreshing in the ongoing age of exaggeration in media
Fortunately this doesn’t feature staring up your pilot’s ass like Battlefield 3’s.
Mover ruins Mover
Hey Mover - from us DCS fans, thanks to you and others that got to do this for real - for both your service AND for being such a good sport in “slumming it” :) with us wannabes.
It doesn’t go unnoticed and we really appreciate it. Donation to FoH enroute.
“Hey everyone, Wags here from Eagle Dynamics”
lmao.... first thing that popped in my head
You've come a long way in DCS since the ole, "who cares about the speedbreak I've got afterburner!" Video. Good stuff!
Definitely a nice change since those first videos where he'd "stall on a turn" lolol
Yeah, the DCS community has no sense of humor that they're aware of. 😂
As for "stalling on a turn." 🤦♂️🤣
Haha not the typical ultra-calm Wags voice this time
He was literally totally calm and chill the whole time. Nice try you silly little bullshitter you
OMG, Mover your knowledge on dog fighting, fighter pilot, and flying in general is amazing. My love of aviation has been my life for 60 years. I got my private license way back when, but due to life, I couldn't continue to get tickets. Now that I had open heart surgery and am now a pacemaker, I'm grounded. I live your channel and never miss your videos. Watching this video was a learning experience for me. I'm going to upgrade my computer to support the dcs, Microsoft flight simulators, etc. Keep up your great channel.
Corvette awesome
MiG 28's! No one's been this close before!
@SPQRTempus What the hell are they doing here?!?! whats their position?
@@Mr.Scootini 20 left at 30 miles, 900 knots closure
@@SPQRTempus *whispers* it was supposed to be "250 miles out sir" "250 miles?! get em outta here!" LMAO
@@SPQRTempus
Couger you got that?
Roger, Merlin you got um?
Ughhh What exactly do you mean by EVERYTHING!?!? Love this SH!T!!! Keep Movin Mover! At the end of the brief Mover wins by default every time. Hoo yah, Jesters Dead! Retired Navy AO carrier sailor.
I'm curious, which ship?? Also thank you for your service.
Hey, Tyler. My roomate was an AO in Iceland. From one E to another O7 ; )
Sweet, Mover. These maneuvers make much more sense in terms of the rationale and what you're doing with the aircraft's frame to achieve that. For those interested in another visual, and I'm not trying to plug another guy's channel here, but Air Combat Tutorial Library does some excellent visuals of this technique with WWII birds and other DCS stuff. It happens a bit slower, but the technique and theory are the same or similar principles.
Funny you mention the channel-I just found it yesterday!
This was fascinating!!!
It's amazing to watch an ACTUAL fighter pilot who CLEARLY knows what he's doing in a sim, and then training someone else, inside the sim.
Dam, best DCS video ever! Nice one lads.
As someone that would like to learn as much of the real procedures as practical for DCS and reads NATOPS for fun (!? well not fun, but they do help me) it's awesome watching you go through the setup and comparing it to the manual because it explains things to me that I either missed or misunderstood.
I'm always limited in the information I can gather, relying on declassified documents and the odd scrap of info, always declassified of course, from somewhere else, and not having any real life subject experts to ask questions of (even if they could or could not answer me) so seemly little details can clarify a great deal for me.
Thanks so much, I really enjoyed this, and the debrief video also.
Now I'll be able to recreate this with my sim buddies and we'll all be better fighters because of it.
When Top Gun II comes out, depending how well it does at the box office, this channel has a head start to capture the views.
Yessss! Your channel is growing. Hope to send an AIM 54 your way someday...
It was really cool of you to volunteer your time and do this. I've played DCS for years and I still feel like I've learned something.
Definitely looking forward to more.
Really love this Mover. Thx a lot for sharing!! We are a lot of people in the DCS community who love to dig into this 'professionally', but only very few are lucky enough to train with you guys. So, really appreciate it!! Thx again.
The fact that the F/A-18 is inspired and in some regard bred from the F-5 makes this video special. Thank you for the content.
That was really cool. You guys should do more sim videos like this.
Mover, you may have left the Navy but clearly the Navy never left you. Great stuff, thanks for sharing
he embrace navy really tight
You can take the man out of the Navy, but you can’t take the Navy man out of the Navy man. 😂
Awesome video. Very cool to get a small look into what flying fighters would really be like. That pre-flight brief made me imagine I was really about to go on a training flight.
You might not go into tactics, but I would recommend for anyone who wants to really hit tactics hard to buy "Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering" by Robert Shaw. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if most squadrons had at least one copy of the book. It might be hard to pick up from the start, but it is very comprehensive and on point for all air combat going from WW1 to the foreseeable future. I've found online tactical discussions to have a ton of misinformation, so accurate sources like that are important to move beyond the basics. Plus applying the lessons, a lot of sim pilots learn their BFM very well but regress to bank and yank when they want to use it.
It’s an awesome read, not too many gamers go that far into the tactics so you’ll gain a huge advantage that way
@@Rathabflying Best book on the subject in my view, at least that I've seen. I actually had the opposite, I got into flight sims (and gaming as a whole) having read books on the subject from a young age.
Olivia Lambert ever thought about trying the real thing?
@@Rathabflying Yep. It was a goal I was working up to for years. When I got cancer I had to finally accept i wasn't possible anymore. It sucks but thats like I guess.
Olivia Lambert Hopefully it doesn’t get old to hear one more person say that I’m sorry your dreams were crushed by such an awful disease. I hope you find another career path that equally aligns with your dreams
Gonky should get an Academy Award for portraying the behind the curve student. Mover should get best supporting for the patient & caring IP!
Very cool video. What impressed me was the briefing. Most virtual pilots do not, and hence the elemental errors, confusions, and disorientation come from there. You can feel the ease, calmness and confidence with which Mover fills the flight. From this it shows that we should really pay more attention to briefings and BFM and devote much more time and practice to perfecting. To reach a level in which there is no thought or tension, but precisely this calmness, ease and confidence like that of Mover. Thanks Mover and Wags.
Dang Mover, that was Sierra Hotel! I’m so glad to see your involvement in DCS! Thanks to you and Wags for a great video! So cool!
That was excellent guys. Thanks for taking the time to do it right and explain the process. Very much had the teacher / student feel, which indeed it was :))
I see wags also has "simulational gravitational kinesthesia" a rare disorder where the DCS player experience G-force in real life proportional to the sim. I thought it only happened to me getting baked and playing DCS.
Now I need some gas to see if I can experience this now xD
@K Fenris That's harsh dude. You don't have to condone it. Live and let live.
Mover! That video is awesome! I love how easy you made it look while doing the damage check and landing! Wags is such a professional.
Excellent video!! Thank you for sharing what you can with us the virtual pilots. Thanks to WAGS for being part of a great development team. You have made a lot of dreams come true!
Good I had subscribed to your channel. Glad someone like you enjoy DCS. I bought 16 & 18 for Christmass and seeing your videos interests me a lot.
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Another fantastic video. I want you to know how helpful and how much I appricate you taking the time to make this video and explaining what you are doing. This gives me something to practice hopefully in a DCS server. WELL DONE
Did you buy any of the Redflag air-combat training modules during the steam sale? They are like $4.99 on sale and available for the F-5, F-15...Probably a ton of other aircraft.
This is quality. Listening to Wags max out capacity is really interesting; "What do you see?" "Erm, were, erm, single, one erm." C.W. you should do one of these with Growling Sidewinder - the rate fight, nose position fight analysis is brilliant for those of us learning how it is done. Cheers for the vid both.
I knew Wags when my squad helped test Lock On 2.0 PVP back in the day. Stand up guy and very knowledgeable. He's been doing this for a very long time. Good to see you two together in a video. Fun times. BTW I played Queen's One Vision in the background while watching this because I know how Mover hates music in the cockpit.lol
A lot of really cool ideas in this video and lots of information. Got a lot out of it. Amazing! Thank you!
Legends say they are still fyling in circles.
Really digging the top gun scheme on the F5 (i mean mig) chuckled a lil when i noticed it
Thanks for this Mover and Wags! Very educational. Cheers!
Mover this is some of the best stuff I watch on youtube, keep on it brother
I *so* wanted to hear Mover say "son, your ego's writing checks your body can't cash!: :) Awesome video gentlemen. And enjoy the Corvette, I had one pinned up on my bed for SOOO long growing up. That museum delivery will be incredible. I hope you take some vids.
Fantastic video. I love learning fundamentals instead of trying to learn advanced techniques without the base knowledge.
These vids are fantastic. Looking forward to the Corvette as well.
Cant wait to see the Tacview debrief, thanks guys keep it up!
Great video, very informative about actual procedures and communications. I really enjoyed it, thanks a lot!
Lol what!? I dont understand anything happening but I couldnt stop watching! This is the first video I have watched on you channel and it was pretty good!
As always, great video and collaboration with with Wags.
Fantastic video on fighter maneuver setups Lem !!! more, more, more...………...Thank you...……….. Wes from NJ.
Who else wants Mover as Instructor? Awesome Video with a lot of informations i was looking for a long time. keep it up
Well done guys! Learned a lot. Look forward to the Tacview video.
You can HEAR Wags brain Turning. Haha. I like it
Love that you guys did this at NTTR.
Wow, how did I miss this?! A year late, a free Basic BFM course :D
Anyways, thank you Mover for being a mentor to the DCS community.
It's a MiG-28! No-one's been this close before!
Lmao! Love the homage to TOP GUN with the F5 E TIGER II's!
I still have my old Falcon 3.0 copy of Pete's Art of the Kill. Been reading that. It's nice to see the things Pete talks about being demonstrated.
Excellent content as usual, Mover!
This is some quality DCS nerd content! Thanks for posting lemoine
Cool to see you and Wags flying
Good stuff Mover I enjoyed the glimpse at this training sequence.
BAD ass video good information and tactics for us simmers, I need to join a squadron but I'm waiting on the F16 before I join.
Very nice; looking forward to more.
I dont understand anything but keep coming back to watch a former fighter pilot play a video, I mean simulator
New viewer, love the DCS content and interviews! Especially liking the BFM training content. :)
Thank you both, very much, for an entertaining and informative half-hour of sim combat training. I was just watching Flight Chops earlier going through his IFR training, and between the two videos it really shows how important radio communications are in flying. Growing up I had wanted to be a fighter pilot (on the road aimed at becoming an astronaut), but after spending 4 years in the Royal Canadian Air Cadets in the early 70's, I discovered that I had problem with math, which later turned out to be Dyslexia/Dyscalculia (dyslexia with numbers). I could understand the math, and you have a MENSA level IQ, but can't add up a column of numbers correctly all the time, it's not a good idea to go into something where reversing two numbers could kill you! And that ended any career ideas for being a pilot. :-( But if I had been able to go on, I would have ended up flying the Canadian variants of the F-5 and the F/A-18, which makes this video especially fascinating to me.
So cool though to get some idea of a little bit of the knowledge you've gain from your career. Love the spectre novels btw.
That was very interesting! Great vid
Matt Wagner (lover of DI's Tornado which still is playable btw) and Mover in a video... this is great!
Hi from Australia
i enjoy your DCS videos. i would absolutely love if you were able to make a short video about BFM in the 18 and 16 , any tips you may have for staying alive in a one on one (guns only) for both aircraft. thank you for your time i enjoy your content.
Wags sounds so different like this.
That is the best video yet and great information that is useful!
Love these vids!
Good stuff. Glad there will be more. Thanks for doing this.
The amount of information/sec in this video is waaay too high. Impressive!
Great stuff! That was fun to watch. Thanks :)
You went below the hard deck. BUST! Two more of those and you'll be selling shoes. :^)
He knocked it off shortly after anyway
Thanks Mover! Really enjoying the DCS stuff. Can you share the details of your rig please?
I have no idea why you'd use an Oculus.The HP Reverb is soooo much better for flight simulator. Clarity is everything when you have to read the cockpit instruments.
Awesome Episode, thank you both very much.
This is awesome. Thank you so very much for posting this and your efforts! HUGE for sim community
Gotta love that Oculus “crypto” 😂
Comm jamming from Area 51! 😂
Learned a lot. Thanks for this. Keep em coming. 👍
painted like the top gun mig lol love it
awesome insight into the life of fighter pilots!
Mig 28. Awesome airframe.
C.W. Lemoine: I Really Like Your Videos About the F/A-18C Hornet 🐝, But I Like Most When You’re FLYING With the Sheriff Department and Their Helicopters 🚁 Sir, Because I Really Like HUGHES-500D Helicopters 🚁😎🚁
I am considering buying a Valve Index this Christmas for my self. DCS BFM with VR looks so much easier. I would miss my 4k Res so I'm still not sure. Exeltent Video Mover!
I keep going back & forth between Pimax 5k+ and Valve Index (to buy). It's literally just: _depends what day of the week it is._
If you can wait til Christmas, then I urge you to wait JUST 2 weeks longer! I think we will get a lot of forward guidance on VR 2.0 in early January, at the CES Tech show in Vegas. Jan 8-11th.
We SHOULD expect big things. The year 2020 has all the makings for everything to fall into place to make all your VR dreams come true. 2080ti level graphics cards will likely drop to a much more consumer-friendly under $1k pricepoint. Valve is so close to creating a Pimax 5k+ dominating device if only they seal-the-deal and up the FoV on the current Index Screens. An Index2.0 would be an obvious winning strategy for Valve that would overnight make every Oculus, HTC, WMR, seem worthy of a child's toy. PIMAX is getting better, too. The number of owners I find while talking in the UA-cam comments is growing, and while they have reservations about giving an outright recomendation to others, they overwhelmiingly are adopting a _"You can have my Pimax 5k+ when you pry it from my cold dead hands"_ attitude.
If anybody in the headset market announces LeapMotion Control integration, or a Wide-field FoVeated iris-tracking headset targeted for $1,500 or under, it would be a steal worth waiting for! Imagine using your fingers to interact with cockpit switches in your F-18 DCS, or your 747 in AeroflyFS2, P3D, or Xplane! FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE FUTURE OF VR IS NOT 10 YEARS AWAY!! It's _MAYBE_ next year!
@@czdaniel1 Thank for the reminder that the CES is in January.👍 Personally I don't think that Valve will release or show a new Headset 2020. The index with its up to 144Hz and expandeble front bay and finger tracking Controllers is still very very new and not at its limits. With the new uprising of AMD CPU and GPU and Intel's dedicated GPU we will see lots of movement in 2020. I will still upgrade my GPU at the end of this year to an RTX 2080 Ti even if 2020 brings something better. What I will invest more in the 2080 Ti is not lost even if newer and better GPU may come. The 2080Ti will still be a good Card and waht I payed more is the price for having the card ~8 months earlier. That's waht I think about the Index too. The 144Hz are realy nice to have and will be hard to run on most Systems. If the next big VR Headset has an even greater Res per Eye it will come with a new impact on Frames and the high refresh rate will not be possible to run on my system potentially.
@@GER-Thorgs -- Check PCPARTPICKER once a week or so. NewEgg has periodically every few weeks been dropping the MSI 2080ti SeaHawk (Has built-in 120mm liquid radiator) to as little as $1,019
_[after $100 instant promo-code, $50 instant savings and a $30 Mail-in-Rebait..So like $1,049 at moment of purchase.]_
It also has like a +200mHz OC Boost-Clock vs Stock to go with the liquid cooling. I doubt you will ever get that good a deal on a new 2080ti anywhere else in 2019.
Corner velocity and energy management exercise. Man, without out-of-plane, that's tough.
what does "out of plane" mean?
"I just fly a little fast" I'm usually shitting my pants at those landing speeds. :D
Very interesting, despite the fact I can't see where Wags is in the cockpit view. Maybe the dot labels would help ?
Wags always on his Wagner mobile.
Very exciting, it’s nice from you to share some of your knowledge to devs, it’s a nice source for them I guess regarding what can be improved. Hopefully we can see more DCS stuff on your channel :D
I’d like to know though what you think about aircraft visibility in DCS? I feel like it’s too hard to spot a plane flying above you or beneath the horizon line, when spotting airliners IRL in the sky it’s very much possible to see the aircraft in front of the trails unlike in DCS, and I’m having a much easier time spotting aircrafts flying around when I’m in the air, but both situations are not even close to spotting a fighter.
Will we see flying videos again in the future as well?
Thank you
I didn't have any issues that I wouldn't have had in the jet. Using VR, the other aircraft was right where I expected him to be with about the same fidelity.
That looked pretty accurate while watching the vid. It’s not always easy to pick out other aircraft while flying.
I hope the debrief is going to be realistic. Lots of yelling and WTFs! 🤣 Crying, throwing of helmets and followed closely by beers and laughter in the bar. 🍻
Jesus what kinds of debriefs have you sat in on? 😳😂
C.W. Lemoine yeah. The ones that involve Special Ops and special people. 👍 Usually a 4 ship debrief would start with, who the F was in number two!!!! Bahahaha.
Amazing stuff! Mover, any chance we'll see you do some DCS stuff in other modules that you've not flown in real life? Such as Tomcat, Mirage, or perhaps some older stuff? Sabre, warbirds, etc?
this is awesome! thanks for making it
That was grate I play DCS world because I always wanted to be a fighter pilot but bad eyes so can't. And getting to see a real pilot have a go with anyone let alone a dev is grate. I really hope I get the chance to have a play with a real pilot oneday would be a dream
Enjoyed this Mover!
Just have a missile which fires backwards.
damn bruh i was thinking about it good point
or something else what about a rotatibg cockpit ?XD
*laughs in AIM-9X*
Was visual distance comparable to RL during the fight?
I would assume so
I'm working on getting a new PC so I can fly dcs. But I have never flew anything other than a cesna so I was wondering if I could pay to basically train me in dcs . All the lingo and how to actually start the plane from dark just the basic stuff that I need to know or is it pretty easy to jump into dcs not knowing anything
A lot of the modules have training missions included that teach you startup and systems. Look up Chuck's Guides, he's written very helpful manuals for (I think) all modules except the F-16.