Metroid: Zero Mission - Is reverse Tourian viable on Normal mode RTA?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Yes, the title of the video is clickbait. But I didn't want to spoil the ending.
This is tool-assisted. For more information, go to tasvideos.org/
This was played on 50% speed and using savestates, but only once at the beginning of every room. My intention was to simulate a "perfect human viable play", using only what a believe to be RTA-viable strats, by repeating each individual room until they seemed errorless. Obviously, there is still room for very small optimizations, but I believe my final result to be very generous regardless, using some somewhat hard strats and more-precise-than-usual movement. I don't think that any more RTA-viable optimizations would change the final outcome anyway.
I recently got a comment on my old Alternative Tourian Escape LOTAD video ( • [OBSOLETED, READ DESC]... ) by user The Sedaiv saying that some day humans would be able of doing that on a real console.
As much as I would like to see that, I highly doubt it will ever happen. And to prove my point, I made this.
I think that, to do a run as good as this video, it would take tenths of thousands of attempts, and beyond human skill or suspicous luck; and as you can see, it wouldn't be enough. I don't believe anybody would be willing to put so much effort into something like this either.
In the end, I don't believe humans will reach TAS levels ever. Of course, I do believe humans get better and better with practice, being able to pull off strats once believed to be TAS-only at specific and isolated points of a speedrun. But there's a limit to human skill, and no one can play absolutely perfectly for as long as 2 minutes straight. But that's the beauty of TASing: knowing that something is possible, but no one will ever do it.
Watch this for reference: • SMB1 Any% Sum of Best ...
(Also, I should have done a human theory TAS insted of this... Oh, well!)
![[TAS] Metroid: Zero Mission in 32:08 (20:59)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WmmT1F5--B8/mqdefault.jpg)
![[TAS] Metroid: Zero Mission in 32:08 (20:59)](/img/tr.png)
Hey that's metroid, from smash!
Metroid??
I thought that disgraceful jellyfish was still snorting snow on the Polar Express.
@@russman720p oh yeah. He's my friend IRL. We've played a lot of Metroid together lol.
This must have been the original route
If you pause buffer on the elevators, each time you pause you’ll save one IGT frame. I expect that doing this on all three elevators could save enough time to make it possible for humans, though it is tedious.
Oh, hi Scotty! Didn't expect this to catch any real speedrunner's attention 🤯
I know that by abusing pause buffering you can save IGT time. I'm guessing I didn't use it because 1) as you say it's very tedious 2) it wouldn't make for a fun video 😪 3) it's never used RTA, so I just kind of forgot about it (the reason being, speedruns aim for RTA instead of IGT), my bad 😓.
I guess you're right, this could be RTA viable with pause buffering, although I doubt anyone would be willing to do it.
Btw, I made this video because people were commenting on my TAS of this that, one day, someone would do it on console, arguing that top speedrunners are able to perform what once were considered "TAS-only" tricks on RTA speedruns. While I know speedrunners are becoming more and more skilful, I just wanted to prove that one thing is pulling off a few isolated frame/pixel perfect tricks, with setups, in a RTA run, and another completely different is playing almost perfectly for 2 minutes straight. So, while this might ultimately be RTA viable (with pause buffering), I still think that no one can play MZM perfectly for as long as 2 minutes; except maybe you :^)
he plays metroid zero mission
youtube: *S U P E R M E T R O I D*
Maybe if you hadn't lost 3-4 seconds in norfair you would've made it
I hardly think it is possible to save 4 seconds in Norfair.
Anyway, this is as fast as I think any real human could ever get (maybe even a little bit faster). I don't believe any more saves to be humanly possible.
Brutal, excelente video.
This is my favorite metroid game. But metroid prime is right there with it... wish this game was longer, or that the gameplay was the same for the other 2d metroid cause the motion in this one is really crisp. I cant get over the gameplay in the other metroid. Lol
Is playing zero mission
UA-cam: well yes but no
if you don't get it bc it says super metroid
@@scootyboi4257 lmao I didn't notice.
Solo los capos hacen esa ruta, sin duda
RNG=random nature generation
RTA=run to adventure
If it's only Tourian that's exploding, why would Samus get killed if the countdown went off while she was elsewhere
Is this question for real or just rhetorical?
@@ElB0ludo just rhetorical
@@TheWaterMiners Ok thanks. It seemed real for a moment and I was willing to answer it lmao
@@ElB0ludo Is there a real answer for that other than it being a game? Because it does seem silly to me that only Tourian blowing up would kill her in Crateria, even ignoring that the planet is fine in Super Metroid, because like 15 minutes later you can go back through Chozodia and see that everything is perfectly fine and not blown up.
It doesn't personally bother me because I do like the escape sequence but it does seem kinda silly.
@@NamekianG If you think about it that way, yeah, it's probably just because "it's a game" and escape sequences are cool.
To come with a reasonable explanation we would have to ask first "why are there so many doors that only open when shooting at them in a cavern-like planet?". I guess the game makers didn't want us to think too much about it.
In a "canonical" way, I wouldn't find it hard to believe that the explosion could reach the areas in Crateria closer to Tourian. The game visually tries to convey this: the room between the Tourian elevator and Samus' ship changes color (slightly), and a storm begins in the room where Samus' ship was.
Yeah, the game doesn't try too hard to make all this clear. But it's what you say: it's just a game. And it's pretty fun.
I play Metroid too but, badly. It's on my channel tho
So close yet so far.
Maybe it's possible if you don't go through Norfair?
How?
Is there a Shinespark route for the Brinstar to Crateria passage you're supposed to need PBs for? I don't know of any.
@@ehx3419 you definitely need at least 2 power bombs to go from Brinstar directly to your ship. One to open the shinespark statue to go up to Crateria, and the other to pass the big rock between the ship and Brinstar. Even if you managed to shinespark to Crateria without the statue, which doesn't seem possible in the first place tbh, you'd still need one power bomb to get to the ship.
Currently there are no know methods of obtaining early power bombs before Chozodia, so this possibility is discarded at the moment.
How did you do that?
It's in the description.
I played the game at half speed, using a savestate at the beginning of each room and repeated each room until I thought I did as good as humanly possible.
This is just a proof of concept. The whole point of this is trying to prove that reverse Tourian escape is impossible in real time, no matter how much time of practice you put into it.
50% speed spliced run essentially
@@andrewamende3338 I don't know if using savestates could exactly be considered splicing, but yeah, that's pretty much it.
So close
Is this only possible with hacks? I tried it but there is a block preventing me from going back after I kill mother brain
This is possible without hacks. In fact, here it's done without any hack, just frame by frame emulation, but the ROM itself is a regular ROM.
If there are 24 "enemies" (red rings + bullets from the turrets + mother brain) at once in the room, the lock will not appear. However, how many enemies are in the room at once is impossible to know in console, as most of them are off-screen. I had running a Lua script in my emulator that told me how many enemies where loaded at all times so I know when to go through (that's an advantage of TASing).
If you are trying this on console... It's just trial and error. You'll eventually get it. I've done it several times before.
And if you are thinking of completing this, do it on Easy mode, as the countdown is 3 minutes and not 2. I wouldn't want you to have to start over because you chose the wrong difficulty.
@@ElB0ludo thanks, I’ll give it a try
@@ElB0ludo after about 100 tries, I only managed to get it once (at least I know its possible now) I tried freezing as many rinkas as possible, I tried to replicate your movement as close as possible (even firing those 3 missiles at the start like one of your videos) and the one time I got it, I felt it was pure luck. Is there a sure way you know to get it consistently without the enemy count you say you use? Sorry If I’m annoying you, but I’m at a loss here lol.
If I randomly have it happen on my playthrough, I'll give Reverse Tourian a shot with a single savestate at the start. And by "a shot" I mean, about an hour of trying. (I might get invested though and keep trying beyond that. Also, if I get to the point you reached, I'll consider that a win and go the regular route.)
Nice
Why does the timer breaks in the game did your download the wrong zip.file?
Don’t ever use the shortcut if this happens😡3:17
hehe