Metroid: Zero Mission - Alternative Tourian Escape in under 2 minutes (HD) (TAS)
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- This is Tool-Assisted, so it wasn't played by a human on real time. Go to tasvideos.org/ for more information.
An improvement over my previous Reverse Tourian LOTAD: • [OBSOLETED, READ DESC]...
The final time on the counter for this one is 00:04:94, saving around 04.66 seconds from the previous version. Time saves come from more polished general movement, more efficient shinesparks, and an additional shinespark. I do think this is still improvable (by a few frames at least), and I'll probably get back to it some day. But I don't know when that day will be.
I actually recorded this back in 07/28/2019, but never got to upload it since I do not think it is that big of a difference from my previous version, even if it is still cool to watch. I am ultimately uploading it because I recently got back to this topic: I wanted to demonstrate wheter the alternative Tourian escape under 2 minutes is RTA viable or not, and upload a video with the results (this one right here: • Metroid: Zero Mission ... ). After uploading that video, uploading this one wasn't too much of an effort, so I thought I might as well do it. I'm also uploading this to UA-cam because I am tired of having to look for this on my PC whenever I want to watch it again.
HELP ME WITH VIDEO ENCODING:
As you can see, I upscaled this x16, to 4K, using VirtualDub. I tried to encode and compress it using x264 (x264fw), but any configuration I tried produced very ugly artifacts in the final video. I eventually had to use lossless x264 to fix it, ending up with a massive file.
If anybody with experience with VirtualDub or x264 compression could let me know why trying to compress the video results in those artifacts, I would really appreciate it! - Ігри
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*kills Mother Brain*
“Dammit, I left my keys in Brinstar! This is gonna be close!”
A TAS run got there with only 5 seconds remaining. This should be near impossible for a human to do in real-time.
Yup
It IS impossible.
It's actually NOT impossible. I did this several times as a kid this way, but you have to have it down PERFECTLY, or you WILL fail it.
U didn’t… u did it on 5 min.
And before u give a dumb respond this dosnt work without a few moments of pause buffering. Which wasn’t discovered until years later that the game was already emulated. So if u were a kid then that wouldn’t have been discovered yet.
The Virgin Normal escape route vs The Chad long Alternative escape route
I won't be a virgin with Samus by my side hahaha
@@pavy415 Kinda sus.......
Damn straight
Chad never puts people down for their preferences.
@@sonicthehedgedog7024 CRINGE
Most impressive display of shinesparking I’ve witnessed
Have you ever seen the secret message in Metroud Fusion? It requires an impressive shinespark display. I've only ever been able to do it by using save states. Here's a clip. :) ua-cam.com/video/Xw352i9pgeg/v-deo.html
Most of the shinespark puzzles in this game are a lot harder than the stuff done here, the impressive part is all the other movement.
Man, I've never seen Metroid escape this way. I thought he was gonna run out of time
funny
you forget
he is a cool guy
he doesnt afraid of anything
@@TheKnightOfSmite
You talkin' about Halo there
@@TheBanishedWindJust making fun of the OP
You know he’s good at shinesparking when he starts with one
It's neat how you see the glitched numbers on the Kraid statue on the way out. They must have replaced those textures with the number textures to make the countdown clock, and never assumed anyone would be bananas enough to escape the wrong way.
What you say is overall correct. But I want to make a more technical clarification.
The way GBA programming works, the graphics (GFX) for backgrounds have a designated range of memory addressed to be stored, and the maps themselves do not store the graphics, but an index to that address space that identifies the GFX to use to draw that part of the map.
Most likely, the digits were stored in the same addresses in which that part of the statue is normally stored. As you said, the devs didn't account for those addresses being used for something else during any of the escape sequences, since it should not happen.
@@ElB0ludo That's interesting. I only have a rather limited understanding of the GBA's programming. I was really heavily into modifying NES games back in the day, since my programming background is 6502 Assembly which the NES uses, so everything I "know" about the GBA is assumptions based on what I know about the NES lol
The first time I beat the original Metroid on NES I somehow missed the door that appears behind Mother and thought this was the intended way to escape
When you take the scenic route but also have to pee
Me: “Ah, he’s gonna go back through Tourian. I’ve always wondered if the game would let you do that. Actually, I imagine that wouldn’t take much more time. Go past the statue room, a couple doors down the shaft to where the game started, up through the elevator that takes you to Crateria, and you’re basically making the same run. Not really an impressive feat beyond the game allowing it in the first place.
*Samus enters Norfair.”
You can’t use the elevator from brinstar to crateria, he doesn’t work and you need power bombs to unlock the path
the fact that the game didn't break makes me believe the devs knew we would try this lol
Why do you think it should break?
@@ElB0ludo conventional dev logic would be to lock the door to even let you try something like this. Allowing it is hilarious and I love it
@@cato3277 I actually would say that the contrary is the most common case, at least in videogames. We have seen countless examples of conditions not being checked, even if it "logically" or from an in-game point of view would be necessary to be checked, just because the devs considered the player would never be able to be there on those conditions. To be honest, why would they need to check them? It would just add extra complexity to the program and extra working hours, for something that is never going to happen (until it does).
For example, most Pokémon games do not check that the player has the 8 gym badges to let them enter the league; it is just assumed that you can only be there if you have them.
Examples of the opposite, what you say also exist (I cannot think of any example off the top of my head), but I would say they are the exception and not the rule.
In this particular case of Metroid: Zero Mission, it actually makes more sense that they didn't lock the door. Because they are allowing the player to go back, to farm missiles or save, after destroying the Zebetites. The player is not allowed to go back just when it enters the Mother Brain screen. The code responsible for loading Mother Brain is also responsible to lock the player on the screen. That latter part might not work because of an oversight; however the oversought case happens in very few cases and it is virtually random; very few players would actually notice (if it were not for a UA-cam video making it a popular glitch). I guess if the devs had noticed the oversight, they would have fixed it or locked the door as you say. Nevertheless, not having noticed it (which is understandable), having Mother Brain also block the room's door seems like an unnecessary hassle, from a developer point of view.
Well, the game did "break" in some way as the timer was never expected to be onscreen with the area name display and the two statues in mind (and also a boss battle as evident that you can fight the charge beam boss and the game stops the escape theme from playing even after the fight) but either way, these harmless side effects are really the only ones for taking the wrong escape route.
@@ElB0ludo This guy loves to type lots of words for sure it seems. Like a whole book.
Samus really wanted to go the long way
I've seen your original "alternate escape" video ages ago and knowing what to expect I'll still comment:
39 minutes right before Mother Brain? It's gamer time.
Remember, just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be..
FINALLY! Been waiting to see if someone did this all these years. It's actually entirely possible on the old GBA SP, but you have to not get caught on *anything* during the entire sequence. I made it back to the ship down to the last second.
You managed to do this in real time? That’s god tier!
Okay, now you're just showing off!!
I don't know if that is a joke, but I feel obligued to clarify by pointing out the very first sentence in the description:
"This is Tool-Assisted, so it wasn't played by a human on real time. Go to tasvideos.org/ for more information."
Amazing Bro, un saludo desde cali colombia.
¡Gracias! ¡Un saludo!
Ok, now that is fast.
xD
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
Never knew about that shinespark spot in Norfair so seeing you do that actually made me scream.
What am I doing wrong? The hole you morph ball through to fight Mother Brain gets sealed
Yes, I thought I had posted the explanation anywhere, but it doesn't seem like it. My bad.
The gate/hole is programmed to close, so you can't leave the fight after you enter it.
Due to a glitch, the gate can fail to spawn, staying open and allowing this alternative escape.
The glitch, however, is really hard to replicate; to the point that it is virtually just luck. Either you get it or you don't. And, as far as I know, the player can't consciously influence the game to cause the glitch.
Unfortunately, the only real advice I can give you is "keep trying". You'll eventually get it, but it may take a long time.
*Technical information / glitch explanation:*
The game can't handle more than 23 entities at the same time. This includes enemies, the bullets from the turrets, and energy/missile drops (I believe). If the game detects that there are already 23 entities loaded, it will not spawn more enemies. It will just wait until one of those 23 unloads.
In the case of the gate, Mother Brain is actually the responsible for it to spawn. When you get to a certain distance of Mother Brain for the first time, she will create the gate entity and spawn it. So, additionally to her own entity, Mother Brain creates an additional entity for the gate. If, at the moment when the gate must be created, there are already 23 entities loaded, the game just can't create it, and will not appear. As Mother Brain tries to spawn the gate just once, the gate will remain "open" for the rest of the fight. The only way for it to reappear is to exit and re-enter the room.
As a better advice than just "keep trying", I could tell you to try to spawn as many enemies, health drops and missile drops as possible, then try to enter the hole. However, since most of the loaded sprites are not seen on screen, you just can't know for sure how many sprites are loaded at a certain time (except if you use an emulator and other tools, as I did). So you will just have to "keep trying", regardless.
As additional information: As you can see in the video, I don't enter the Mother Brain fight immediately (00:23). In those ~10 seconds (until 00:36) that I am refusing to get closer to Mother Brain, I'm just actually waiting for the game to have 23 entities loaded at the same time (I could see them with an emulator tool).
However, how the game spawns enemies is "random". So you just can't try to copy what I did (i.e. waiting exactly the same time I waited) and expect it to work.
@@ElB0ludo23 entities, not sprites. the game engine inherits this limitation from wario land 4.
The game engine uses entities to spawn in conditional tiles
@@alternatecheems8145 That's right, thanks for the correction. I tend to use "sprites" to refer to enemies and the like since those terms seem to be used interchangeably. It's a bad habit.
I edited my comments to replace all occurrences of "sprites" to "entities".
i love the little supers or missiles to enemies or at the end just cause lol
Samus wanted to take the scenic route
...you maniac!! That was awesome!!
Reminder that this is a TAS. I did not play this on a real console nor in real time.
It took some time nevertheless so it shouldn't be underestimated. But it's not as impresive as if a real human did it (which I believe to be impossible).
at a standstill for words, wtf 10/10
TAS is the gigachad
anxiety in pure form
Damn that guy is fast as shit
TAS
Oh that is fucking glorious.
Regarding your video encoding plea: I don't know what encoder settings VirtualDub supports, but in Blender (and by extension FFMpeg) I've learned that its usually better to go for _constant bitrate_ rather than lossless quality. Its weird: going for pristine quality tends to highlight encoder artifacts more, while going for constant bitrate helps smooth it all over a lot better since the information is updating fast enough. Hope that's helpful.
Thank you for your comment!
Since uploading this video, I have learned how to use FFmpeg, and I feel comfortable enough with it to the point of using it to concatenate and upscale videos. So I guess I will not use VirtualDub ever again. Problem solved, I guess? lol
(But for real, thanks for trying to help!)
If it's under 2 minute, wouldn't you be able to do it on Hard Mode?
Hard mode is just one minute of self-destruct timer, so this would have to be done in under one minute.
I am unaware of any other TAS for this kind of alternative Tourian escape, so I'm pretty sure the fastest this can be done is 1 minute 50-ish seconds, which is way beyond the 1 minute mark.
So unless some crazy glitch which cuts in half the time for this is found, this isn't even close to possible on hard mode.
@@ElB0ludo My bad, I misremembered that hard mode was 2 minutes instead of 1.
@@leGUIGUI no problem.
A minute is subtracted for every difficulty. So easy is 3, normal is 2, and hard is 1.
Have a good day!
You are a wizard
Neat.
Work hard, not smart!
Yes
Lol taking the long way out
I hardly escape the 1st escape but 3 minutes with about EN..31
2:01 hold on whats the number about
Just some random error caused by having a timer displayed on that room.
Most likely, the statues and the timer are read from the same graphics area in memory. Normally as there is no need for a counter, that area can just be used for the statues' graphics. In this situation, however, the area must be shared and the numbers are displayed as a side effect. It's just the digits 23456789 (2 to 9), so it has no real meaning behind it.
THIS
EXISTS?
What exactly?
Cool speedrun, but the sound effects feel like they play a little bit before they're supposed to - you might have some kind of audio desync on the video.
WHY DID SOMEBODY HAVE TO NOTICE???? AAAAAAAAAA
That's something that has bothered me forever since I uploaded the video, but I thought it was so small nobody would notice. I think it happened when I upscaled the video to 4K using VirtualDub. For some reason, the audio desynced. When I noticed it, the video was already uploaded.
0:49
Don't give those masochists from RA ideas to screw the metroid zero mission set more than what it is already screwed.
But why, why would you do that?
Because it's cool 😎
Flexing
modo dios
this is possible? o its a bug¿
(Veo que hablas español, te respondo en español que quizás así lo entiendas mejor.)
No sé a qué te refieres exactamente. La respuesta más acertada, de todas formas, es "sí a los dos": es posible, y es un bug.
Es decir, es perfectamente posible que en un cartucho original de Metroid: Zero Mission, jugado en una consola de verdad, se produzca un bug a la hora de comenzar la batalla contra Mother Brain que haga que no se bloquee la salida, permitiendo realizar la secuencia de escape por el lado contrario al habitual. Que sea o no un bug no afecta al hecho de que sea posible. No es un hack ni un cheat, que eso quede claro.
Por otra parte, es un bug bastante difícil de realizar sin ayuda de un emulador: se tienen que dar unas circunstancias prácticamente aleatorias para que suceda. Y es muy improbable que un humano de verdad, jugando en una consola de verdad, logre finalizar la secuencia de escape por el lado contrario en menos de 2 minutos (lo que dura la secuencia en dificultad normal, y lo que he hecho en este vídeo con ayuda de emuladores). En dificultad fácil la secuencia dura 3 minutos en lugar de 2, por lo que un humano de verdad en una consola de verdad sí que podría finalizar la secuencia de escape por el lado contrario de jugar en modo fácil.
@@ElB0ludo ya en serio este juego me gusta demasiado hacete la idea de que es el unico metroid que me lo pase al 100 porciento, una cosa mas en que cambia la dificultad deficil?
@@ana-ch3ie En modo difícil los tanques otorgan la mitad de recursos (50 de energía, 2 misiles, 1 súper misil y 1 bomba de energía respectivamente), los enemigos hacen el doble de daño, algunos enemigos se cambian por sus versiones más poderosas (por ejemplo, todos los erizos amarillos pasan a ser erizos rojos), se añaden enemigos adicionales en algunas zonas, especialmente Metroids en Tourian, y algunas de las salas de guardado de Chozodia se hacen permanentemente inaccesibles. Eso es todo lo que me acuerdo ahora mismo.
@@ElB0ludo wtf parece dificil y otra cosa es posible saltarse items como en super metroid?
Creo que si se pueden saltar, la dificultad no afecta en si la obtencion de las mejoras, solo el daño, cantidad de los items (misiles normales/super, super bombas y tanques de energia), enemigos y las secuencias de auto-destruccion. (Tambien creo que una sala de guardado de la nave de los piratas es bloqueada, mo recuerdo si habian más bloqueadas)
Yo me lo terminé en sus 3 dificultades al 100% y se nota de una que en dificil la vas a pasar mucho más complicado
This looks hard to do.
Not impossible, but hard.
I actually doubt this is possible in real time.
My next video (ua-cam.com/video/Tua_xfeW6GI/v-deo.html) simulates a "real-time friendly" perfect run of this. And after that, I still believe it is unrealistic to believe this is possible in real time.
@@ElB0ludo whats the point in going to the norfair save room, that and a couple other time saves would make it work... all be it just barely
@@sirgouki6207 Going into the Norfair save room is essential. It allows you to build up the speed booster needed for that long room in Norfair (notice how I speed boost on the latest frame possible, that means I stayed in the save room as little time as needed). This is pretty much impossible without going into that room.
About "that and other time saves", did you notice anything improvable or it was just a thought?
TASA DE TE
Why’d It feel like you were cheating
It's a TAS (Tool-Assisted). Check the description.
@@ExtremeAce goddamn it
lol.