Absolutely. Nothing warms my veteran heart more than watching someone else reach those moments where the 'walls' of what you thought the game was, drop out and you just revel in the game opening up before you
Hey, don't know if someone has told you this or if you've noticed in passing. However at around 1hr28m you were asking about how players were supposed to know were/how to get certain things. It will say periodically in chat, but if you ask a question in the in game chat one of the bots will answer your question. This works with dming a bot in the in game chat. For example find [DE]KickBot and select talk. Then just ask "how do I get Excalibur?" Then the bot will respond with the answer. However I do agree that DE should make it more readily known that this is a feature.
years in game and still didnt know there is such thing as chat bots for help. :D when i was new and wanted to look how to get a new frame or weapon i simply use arsenal if you choose something you dont have it shows you if you can buy blueprint or where to get it and alle the material. and this never changed so cant think of a more easy way for new players to show them where to go.
@@andycampbell8622 ever pondered they say it because its true? I dont see you coming up with any fancy inovative lines to say here either, but instead, complain in a way that makes you sound like an unhappy sad person.
@@Mangareader27 Dude….why do you care? Andy didn’t say anything worth saying. This game has a culture around it and part of it is the idea that this was a long tutorial.
The game engine is the Evolution engine. It was made by DE for their game Dark Sector, it has been worked and re-worked many times. At one point NVIDIA stopped support for the particle systems and DE made a new particle and shader system from scratch. It is the most performant game I've ever played with this level of detail and visual complexity.
Steve doesn't get enough credit in the industry for really pushing the bar in getting games to look great in efficient and innovative ways. I think he really let himself shine when he would livestream while they were pushing out a major patch; that man thinks like both a programmer and an engineer, and his little explanations about tweaks to their lighting systems or reducing file sizes was fascinating, even for a layperson. I really hope Steve keeps that tradition with Soulframe.
Wow in all my years of being a Warframe lore buff, I never caught that. It could just mean something innocent, but knowing DE it's very possible foreshadowing
I don't think that parallel was intentional... the tenno talks about holding their mother's hand, and or memories of 'the incident' are locked away until The War Within
also, one funny thing i noticed from your Second Dream playthrough that's relevant to your point on the lack of early-game difficulty: in the section where you have to breach the Void gate and Hunhow summons a Sentient battalyst to deal with you, when the quest first came out, player damage output was still mostly in control and those things actually couldn't get oneshot (hence why Lotus has a line saying that the drones adapt to your attacks and you should try something else). they used to be immune to status effects, and they were tough because they also gained more damage resistance to whatever damage type you hit them with. back in the day, that meant typical meta weapons at the time like the Soma didn't just delete them on the spot, so that encounter actually stood out. unfortunately, a few years later they decided to remove the Sentients' status effect immunity (and kinda stopped trying to rein in powercreep). the result of these changes essentially makes the Sentient enemy's first appearance in the game being made trivial and forgettable.
IMO I kind of like power creep from a lore perspective. It's an arms race. Back when Sentients were relatively rare, we didn't have the means to deal with them and so they were hard to fight. Few years go by, Tenno develop tech that works better on Sentients, Sentients produce tougher enemy types in response, rinse, repeat. I mean obviously it's neither intended nor organic, but it's fun to think of it that way instead of just complaining. In terms of a story quest, though, you're right. The quests are kind of a time capsule back to when they were released, so "modern" gear totally overpowers them. On the other hand, when the quest was released, and actually I think still even now, nowhere is it said that Void damage resets Sentients' adaptations, so clearly that wasn't perfect either. Power creep is why I like the quests like The New War and the Veilbreaker missions where you play as other characters with little to no loadout deviation; you're essentially guaranteed to be able to complete it, because everything is balanced for the stuff they give you. Although what I did was mod Ivara to stay invisible constantly, which makes for a much more relaxing gameplay experience. XD
@@Fallowsthorn " quests like The New War---you're essentially guaranteed to be able to complete it" it was like an entire thing when the quest came out how some people (mainly the ones who spent plat to insta get the railjack and necromech) didnt have a strong enough one and got soft locked in it. i dont remember how that was resolved but funny times.
@@ShinyRIS The railjack part you can't fail unless you try to fight everything. You're meant to just rush through it. I don't even remember when or what the necramech was used for, but mine was crap (still is tbh) and I made it, so it must've been fine.
I been hoping he play this for a few years now. They will even have a change to the new player system when 1999 drops. the choices will be (warframe)(paradox)(1999)
The big debate is would this have had the impact it does if it came earlier in the game??? Probably not. Warframe really does subvert that better after 50 hours for this reason alone. Such a gift to those who put in the time.
Even more so for the players that got to it before having 3-4 open world levels and cinematics. When I went through Second Dream it felt like all this lore and spectacle came out of nowhere and made it REALLY special.
1:25:22 What's not clicking for chat is that it'd be nice for the game to actually bring it up during the game, like the lotus talking about the materials on a planet or ordis doing so. Most new players aren't going to be looking at stuff that closely, especially the casual ones. They don't have to hold your hand through everything, yet they should also introduce the connecting systems in the game better. There are so many new players that play without understanding or equpping mods for many planets at a time, and mods are like 40% of the game
While I agree that some info at the start would be nice, once you hit 30+ hours, can you still be called 'a new player'; second dream is definately veteran player territory. This is a bit of the disconnect here. Part of warframe is building connections; and for some players, adopting new players is the end game experience. Warframe is also vast, and getting the data you need often requires that you use other sources. Trading has already been mentioned The wiki is good (just watch for spoilers) And if you're having problems getting that scan done, there's a steam thread that is really good and dedicated to just that. So, IMHO he's gone past new player and needs to stop pretending because he slowed down his advancement due to that mindset.
@@robertpopa2628It doesn't really matter where he is NOW. He's saying that these introductions should have happened SOONER. His whole point IS that he's now so far in the game and only NOW there are quests showing up that explain certain (but still not ALL) important systems. The problem isn't that the information isn't out there. The problem is that a new and casual player would NOT KNOW to go out of their way to look up things and that isn't even touching on the problem that you can only go and look up things you don't know about. All of that is compounded by there being SO MUCH to look up that it can be overwhelming and therefore discouraging for new players. The whole thing is that DE is hamstringing their own game's growth with not having a better onboarding experience IN THE GAME. "Getting the data you need often requires you use other sources" The problem here isn't that there's so much that needs the wiki but that many players would not even KNOW to go and find the wiki. There's plenty of players (both newer and older) who it wouldn't even OCCUR to that they need to look up things. THAT is the problem. A literal conversation I had with a friend who has been a gamer for ages was them kind of asking how I progressed my mastery rank, in their eyes, so fast. I told them that they need to level up weapons and frames. Their response: "yeah, but I don't want to spend so much money on them, is there no other way?" when I said that they don't need to buy the frames and weapons, they can just build them, I got a: "I didn't realise I could do that... where can I build them" back. So I had to explain. And y'all can justify this lack of guidance with "well, Warframe is a community driven game" all you want, but by the time you've found a 'mentor' thought participating in the community you SHOULD ALREADY KNOW A LOT OF THOSE BASIC THINGS!!! I love the Warframe community, I love how welcoming and helpful it is and I think DE is doing a great job in a lot of ways to cultivate a helpful and warm community, but having to invest 10, 20 hours into the game and community to know a basic function of the game is a huge deterrent for people. THAT'S the problem. We all want more people to experience this game, but the game sometimes feels actively hostile towards beginners. That is what is being criticised.
A summarized history of what the eff is going on and the info known through various codex entries and stuff up to the second dream. Short explanation is the orokin were trying to colonize a new star system, Tau. So they made self-replicating machines, the sentients and sent them there to terraform it for them. They were made with a flaw that traversing the void made them unable to create more of them, essentially making them infertile. Finding out what the orokin did and to keep them from colonizing is why the sentients went to war with the orokin. The tenno were on the zariman 10-0, the first colony ship to Tau. There was an accident mid-jump and the ship went missing, presumed lost. Years later it reappeard and the salvage crews ended up finding the orphans of 10-0, the children the only survivors who were changed by the void and had powers they couldnt control. Margulis helped them but was executed by the orokin council and the tenno thrown into storage essentially. Then the old war happened and the orokin found out tenno could control warframes. They use the tenno to win the war, and at the victory ceremony the tenno kill the orokin council and topple the empire, vanishing afterwards, then 1000 years later we are awakened and the game starts. In short, the orokin were bad people and every major experiment or tool they created eventually turned on them, us included. We werent given this info freely and it was pieced together over years from snippets of info here and there. You hit the quest at 70-80ish hours of play, for the players at the time it was a MASSIVE bombshell that rocked the community. We had years of theory-crafting on what the tenno were and how we swap between warframes and stuff. (My fave at the time was we were energy beings taking control of bioengineered super soldier bodies, or our brains being transferred between them)
Me and my friends are table top rpg players, so when a friend finishes this arc we ask: So now that you're done with character creation, what do you think.
Tailjack used to rough You had to be in a guild Cost more to build components Took a lot longer to build Now, there's a hangar at a relay Cost has been reduced Time has been reduced DE couldn't refund the time gate, but they refunded the difference in resources.
There’s a hanger in a relay? I gotta check that out. I love that they rebalanced Railjack. For the sake of new players, of course, but also because I got sooo many materials back after the rebalance.
Which is why I left. Still love warframe but sitting on all those resources and grinding more just to get them thrown back in my face was majorly discouraging and told me that the devs didn't respect my effort and dedication. Still love the game but man that was bitter.
@@dovakeen1179 quite the opposite. They understand that the resources represent hours or even days of farming. They didn't have to, they could have been 'lost to the void;' and your hours of farming would have been a waste. Unlike other games that just shut down entire sections of the game, preventing you from exploring those areas, or removing gear that you spent days or weeks grinding for, and then even more time to make it better. All with no recompense because you don't really own anything that's on their servers or in their game. Yes, one of those games has stopped sunsetting gear, but it looks more like a grasp to stop hemorrhaging players.
I suggest looking up the history of Warframe operations. There is a lot of plot related content that players completely cannot experience firsthand and can only get from veterans or videos. A lot of the content, for example, fleshed out alad v's story.
51:00 It's less 'cross-classing' or 'subverting expectations'. What it is, is they don't take from things like D&D, they are taking inspiration from actual mythology usually. Oberon for example isn't a 'druid paladin', he's inspired by The Green Knight from actual mythology. That being said, there is one D&D inspired frame though.
3:13:18 - I think I know what you may be talking about. The problem is that you don't get the characters in Second Dream and build them up and their experience with the veterans. Your look of disdain when Salad V came up kind of explains that. We need more character build up before Second Dream similar to what the veterans had by knowing these characters through events that aren't in the game anymore.
Yes, it would be amazing to make old operations replayable for story content, but... The rewards and the amount of dev work it would take to update all of it are not justified to DE versus creating new content.
@crazyrussiannhb That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm more suggesting they put those villains relevant to Second Dream in New quests that give them more character, not bring back old content. And I'm sure they can bring back the idea that the bosses in those sections give messages to the Tenno as they'd done before.
Can't wait for the proper video, I forgot how unique was this feeling of finding out stuff about WF lore. Wish I could forget just to experience it all over again lol
as a warframe i never questioned what i was doing and who i was, lotus would send me where i needed to go. and it just reminds me of the hive and its mind from no game no life zero the movie
Also, to anyone watching this after the fact, Mirage Prime and Khora Prime's trailers have zero spoilers, unlike what chat was saying. They have references that you need CONTEXT to understand. If you don't have that context, the references mean nothing to you, or something different. The trailers are still good, they're very stylish and show the Frames off well, and do have lore, they just mean MORE when you know more. If you don't, they spoil nothing.
Without putting any kind of text on screen to let people know you don't want anything but cosmetics, you're just gonna get gifted everything at this point lol. Really wish there was an option in settings do disable gifts that are not decorations or cosmetics.
He states that he doesn't want to use wiki to figure things out quicker, or too much hand holding, as he just wants the raw experience of what Warframe is like and to see what it does wrong and what it does right. I respect that, but I feel just freely being gifted a bunch of frames kind of crosses into the territory of experiencing what Warframe is like. Farming the frames is a huge part of the game and the longer he leaves the gifting flood gates open, he will slowly get more and more free frames, slowly chipping away at much of the content and time spent in Warframe. It worries me a bit.
@@lilfuzzballa depending on the type of gamer he is, it could make him rapidly get bored as he burned through the act of getting the character himself, or he might not care at all and just enjoy using it. He seemed to imply he was the former but only said once to not gift him frames, but anyone joining after he says this, wouldn't have heard him say this and gift him a frame.
I’m thinking of how many of my favorite fights he’d be skipping from not having an incentive to farm certain warframes… No exploiter orb No kullervo fight No Ropalolyst (that might be a good thing) Not doing the Inaros quest
I think to improve new player experience is to mandate getting second warframe as a required main quest, it could be Nyx, Rhino, or any early game frame( or even new frame). Ordis guiding you trough modding system( with upgrading and synergy). And enemy get 5 level or 10 stronger starting from out of earth to feel the need to mod and used to the weponry. (Edited) Also more that makes progressive weapon and frame cook time. As in mr1 weapon can be cooked in 1hr or 2, frames could be start at 3hr. And later weapon with high mr requirements can stay the same. Just so new player can use new weapon fast( and feel the need to spend plat for weapon space or sell mk1 weapons).
Why would they need to mandate getting a second frame? Early on you already can farm hydroid, rhino, valkyr and nekros + frames that have their own quests and dojo frames. Literally wouldn't change anything.
!SOME CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT STEEL PATH! I think the actual amount of players who get to steel path and are able to actively do it without dying Is a fraction of the player base... Based on the queues for normal steel path missions, u usually do them solo, unless it's some generally farmed mission like Mot and Tyanna pass, Dark sectors etc.
This is awesome dude....im strapped in and going on this journey with you.....thanks for playing our game but more importantly thanks for giving it a fair chance.....welcome Tenno
Started playing the game last month immediately after your Wake Up Call video. Just finished Second Dream last night and man this game has its claws into me. The community is super nice, helped me get my first first prime, Khora, and been having a lot a fun with it. Thanks to your vid man, keep up the amazing work! Also started watching after an Asmon vid 😅😅 your content is top tier 👌
Been playing since Alpha, and I have never seen our community spoil the story to a new player. That says something about how good this game actually is. I will always have deep love for Warframe in my heart Watching this gives me the shivers. I envy all new players that will go for the first time trough this amazing adventure that is Warframe.
Talking on new player experience, you have very valid points, and a lot of longer time players started before the somewhat recent defensive stat overhaul. Used to be that defensive stats on the frames were significantly lower at base than they are now. They may have overshot the mark a bit on survivability, but it also really depends on not only the frame and build but how the player plays. Meaning that more you move around the less enemies hit you. Literally. It's coded into the game that the faster you move the less accurate enemies are.
3:24:53 Welcome to level 1, many to go. But you need The War Within to get to level 2. I don't mean level in the RPG sense, i mean in the mind blown sense.
This game just keeps on giving - I have started playing back in April 2013 and at that time the game didn't feel like it was going to be a big thing, but it was interesting enough to keep me playing... and oh boy... am I glad I kept playing - It's been over 11 years since the day I experienced the game for the first time and it just keeps getting better and better. Now I'm 4700 hours deep in Warframe and guess what? There. Is. Still. More. Stuff. To. Do. Some tips from me if you accept them: -when you have an available quest in the codex try to prioritize that as they usually have more content locked behind them until you complete it -do not rush anything, this game is a test of patience, always progress in your own pace, keep it comfortable -the long waiting times help people avoid burnout, sort of forcing you to take a break from something, that you might have to do over and over again I am always happy to see someone new to the game enjoy what it has to give. You just got to the first big milestone of the game, which was The Second Dream. There will be several other milestones like this and I can't wait for you to make more videos on them. Coming up, The War Within.
Unrelated to ANYTHING major in this video, but im glad to see you really enjoy dante! He came out when I was taking a hiatus from the game, I JUST returned to do the Jade Shadows event and continue from there, and im glad to see new players enjoying the new warframes available! I have no idea how he actually plays but in your past few videos about the game i see you maining him and volt a lot, so thats a good sign!
Think of the warframe wiki as the handbooks from D&D. It will be your best friend as you navigate the universe and become more interested in maximizing your load outs through synergies and customizations.
I'm looking at Excalibur in the Market and it says this: *"Blueprints for Excalibur's components are acquired by defeating Lieutenant Lech Kril on War (Mars)."* I don't know if they put it in an update, but I do remember seeing this message long before this video was uploaded. I think it might be the settings.
Tip: when in a solo quest, or solo mode in general, bringing up the menu, pauses the game, this doesnt work on open world areas though, or if you're alone but still in other matchmaking settings
You're right about the difficulty. I got Wukong prime as my second frame and used his for well over a hundred hours and just walked through almost the entire star chart. The only thing that kept me engaged is the exploration and the choices available. If it wasn't for so many options being available I would've quit in 10 minutes but now I have 1,000's of hours in the game. I used Wukong Prime, the Boltor and a Cassowar for then entire star chart.
It triggers me very much when people don't realize (not necessarily their fault, as it's very subtle and hard to see) that faces 1 through 13 on the primary face determine the female body type, with the rest resulting in male. This is the second time I've seen someone pick a male primary face and a female voice, thinking they are creating a female. Also still disappointed that the old raven voice is being replaced (along with the others), because it was a soft spoken alternative, very fitting for a naive teen as well. This was _my_ operator. Now it's a choice between gravelly voice and even more gravelly... raven being the latter for some reason, but it's often hard to tell which is even which.
Unfortunately raven is being replaced because theyre not available to do VA for warframe anymore, i dont know the specifics but they did originally wsnt her to do the new war too but couldnt get her.
1:59:40 I was struggling on this quest myself back in the day. I was running around for what must have been 30 or 45 minutes not finding anything, so frustrating.
@LegendaryDrops LUA SPY means using the rifts to jump between time periods. If you cannot interact with a target console, you need to find a nearby rift and jump to the opposite time period and try there.
05:04:46 almost all rescues have an alternative entrance which doesnt require hacking (other than the cells themselves ofc), i think theres only one rescue mission that doesnt, dont remember
I think one thing to remember about Warframe, and it applies to a lot of different aspects...the difficulty, the gameplay, the Frame/ability variety, even the new player experience...is that the game paces itself. It doesn't show its best right out of the gate because things get better. I've plenty of games, as many other people have, that put their absolute best feet forward in ALL manners, and the longer you play, the game never meets that initial impression, and the interest, inevitably, tanks. Warframe is more like a diesel engine. It takes a while to rev up, but once it does and it's firing on all cylinders, figuratively and literally, its ability to get better and better continues to amp up. People haven't stopped buying diesel engines because they take time to rev up. MarcoMeatball did a playthrough of all the major quests, and I'm trying to rewatch them to find it, but he makes an exceptional remark about delayed gratification, and it's something other games refuse to do. They think blowing your mind in the first minute will keep you pleased into the 5000 hour mark, and it just doesn't gel psychologically. When you eat a meal, the first bite is always the most pleasurable, but every bite after involves chasing that pleasure, and is always less so. Obviously, it's faster to finish a meal than a long-form live service, but SkillUp discussed this in his Masterstroke video as well, that it shows confidence on the devs' part to place mindblowing content later in the game as a carrot to work for, as opposed to putting it minutes after first logging in. It's WORTH the work and time one pays into it. Unlike many other games, which just aren't.
I think the main problem with Warframe players is that they only see power fantasies as steamrolling enemies and fundamentally cannot grasp any idea outside of that. you're 100% right that we need to see the effect abilities have on enemies in order for it to feel like our gameplay matters, but this is just something they can't grasp. every time the devs try to balance things to make that possible, the playerbase throws a pissfit and force the devs to stop balancing things, recent example being Dante. it's ludicrous how much the devs have to preemptively apologize and prostrate themselves before they try to balance anything.
WF used to have that, it was called CC. DE chose to focus on DPS focused gameplay Vs stealth/cc, a few years of power creep passed, and here we are. Yes, leaving no witnesses is a type of stealth. I also don't mind the incoming changes if they make levelcap a challenge once again. The poor "balancing" that they did to Dante did not lower his nuking ability on normal path, and only made him more of a chore to play while tying his performance to one of the least reliable systems left in the game, LOS. It's a nothing burger "fix" that will probably be bandaided with an augment sometime later on.
Regarding the difficulty of the game I think they made the beginning stages of Warframe that easy is for the people that never catches on how the mod works. I also have the feeling that they made it easy at the beginning because it was meant for players to focus on how to do the mechanics first. ITs hard to try stuff and explore as a new player if we accidently made the game to difficult at the beginning Now I do agree needing a buff a bit on the early stages every thing before mars, not too much but just a bit of push back like making earth enemies start with lvl 4-10 instantly or maybe increasing the number of enemies spawn a bit. I also think making MR 1-4 weapons instantly craft but not instantly farm resources early on. This can help the player incentives to continue to play the game more time gating can put off the players early on instantly.
I’ll never understand why people complain about the wait time for failing a mastery test. In school they wouldn’t let you retake an important exam if you fail and that’s what the tests are. They don’t stop you from progressing through the game nor do they lock you out of content (even though some things should be MR locked again imo). Just go do something else once the timer is up practice it to make sure you’re ready (I.e. not bringing the wrong weapons) then stomp it.
That's not a great 1 to 1 comparison. For one, you can at least give Ian credit for actually practicing before stream. Most new players are not guided by hundreds of other players to teach him that like he was. And honestly there is a bit of a transparency problem with MR rank tests to begin with. How about not making the "practice test" button just some small thing in the corner. How about as soon as they click "Begin Test," there's a forced pop up that explains that there is a 24 hour lock out if failed, and that it's highly encouraged that they practice first. School is way more transparent and better prepares students in what to expect. Warframe does not do that very well with MR tests. Besides, he was prepared. He just accidentally brought in the Ignis and it wasn't clicking in his head that there's a spool up time to the Ignis and that just tap firing it wont give him the range he needs. That's more like the equivalent of a student bringing in a a brand new pen they bought for the test, but they find out that it's a faulty pen that they can't figure out why it wont work. So instead of the teacher letting the student quickly grab another one, the teacher fails them instead. Not one to one at all. The 24 hour lock out is too harsh considering the lack of transparency, and the stupid ways in which you can fail without even a slight bit of leeway for situations where issues are excusable.
@@lilfuzzballa The game does prepare you for the tests through gameplay. He might've just had "streamer brain" (focusing on the chat rather than the game) which I'm not going to fault him for but even if you practice it once that doesn't mean anything. Why wouldn't you practice again just to be safe? I didn't have someone to guide me through the game either the one person who introduced me to it stopped playing until I figured everything out. I play on console so my experience is different admittedly but how hard is it to take 2 seconds to realize what you're clicking on? As far as the school parallel goes I think of the tests as final exams sure you can practice it but if you fuck up that's on you and your punished for it
@@FalteredGreed Look the 24 hour lock can still be there, but if they could at least simply force the first attempt to be a practice, it would help new players that are unaware. We are not talking about something as serious as education and the importance of not cheating yourself of your education. We are talking about a new player experience in a video game that should be fun, clear, and intuitive. Let the 24 hour thing exist, let there only be one "real attempt," but all I'm saying is make things bit more clear. Give pop up windows with warnings, and have a loadout window right in front so they can see what they are bringing in to the mission. These are QoL life changes. It doesnt detract from anything MR tests are trying to teach. There's no reason to argue against QoL changes like these other than if you selfishly feel because you had to go through the learning curve, that players after you should have to learn the same way you did.
Hydroid with pilfering is also a good farmer There have also been a few changes to hydroids abilities since this trailer. And yes, khora is good to, she also needs a pilfering mod though
When you fail your mastery rank test and need to wait 24h for next attempt - its not punishing you from progressing: all your experience will go up. Its just not shown in the interface. You can still level up equipment and all XP will be yours - hidden. Then you will pass MR test - and will see it. Its possible even get multiple MR without passing MR tests, then pass them all in one succession.
What I find really funny about this is that you colour your Frames pretty much exactly like I do. Pitch black with cyan and magenta highlights. It's a fun thing.
Welcome to the warframe community, love to see someone else fall in love with this game. Been playing since 2015 and this game just keeps getting better.
I still remember when we just had a star chart and no Orbiter. The Frames needed to actually equip their skills in the form of mods. Then came the Orbiter and then the second dream hit..... and it hit hard.....
I started playing when Plains of Eidolon released. The star chart is really easy till you reach uranus or Jupiter. But i was with MR2 on Cetus these days and tried to farm all 5 bounties, that was tough as fuck with an mk1-paris and mk1-kunai. Every experience is different. But i kept playing because the movement and gameplay was so fun, has nothing to do with the difficulty of enemies, at least for me. But they need to work on that, the jackal fight rework was a nice beginning, but the ones after that till rolypoly on jupiter are just bad. And btw. steel path is no problem even lvl 9999 enemies are no problem if you understand the game. I have now 5k hrs into the game and i am excited about the status rework.
Up until second dream i had quit the game a couple of times being like "i love the gameplay, the style, the art but... It's just a farming simulator" then i heard of this "Natah" quest and i followed it into second dream. And my whole world changed.
it's kinda funny seing him/people in general struggle with the lua spy mission when it'S once figured out one of the easiest and fastest spy missions in the game (as far as i know sofar, i'm only up to war within myself right now)
also for new players that may see this comment... Warframe has a Q&A chat where you can ask where to get things.... and most of the time you WILL recieve an automated message in reply as well as other players responding to tell you
lemme guess Legend made the mistake to pass on the reach stat with Volt ? for info : a strenght-reach Volt with a bit a efficiency and no duration is a monster in sanctuary and defense (especially paired with a limbo constantly recharging his energy with the bubble). You can easily clean a whole map in one shot of the ultimate
He did do that at least 3 times. His operator pops out and does the void chest beam. That's what the operator is only capable of after the Second Dream. It's until after he completes The War Within that he can do the other thing we are so used to doing.
The statement of PC players have more enemy spawnrates is true but thats cause enemies dont lag behind as much they try to allign their frames while moving with the highest framerate a person has so if you have 30 or less frames like console players do they just get a tiny bit slower and since there is a cap to enemy spawns its better to have a pc player I guess that being said I havent heard anyone voice this over as console players like pc players but I guess it does make sense
I see he did the same thing I did at the start. Female voice, female looking character, didn't realize that only certain faces change to the female body type.
I love the comments about not knowing the spy path. True facts everybody just lets that 1 person do the spy mission and they avoid it like the plague star.
As a note, i don't remember if the game lets you still, but if you can I'll always recommend doing the war within and chains of harrow before doing rising tide, as there's something you won't see if you do rising tide first
That's a great point about pricing. I haven't bought a full price game since I bought a ps2 forever ago. I'm not going to pay $70 for a game I dint know if I'll like it or not, that's crazy. I wait until they hit 70-90% off then I'll buy it.
@Legendary Drops Not sure if this is a recent change, but Excalibur definitely shows on my Warframe where to get it. Because it is a boss drop, perhaps it is a boss you hadn't yet fought?
They are mad at the prospect of losing marketing, because that's how consultants control "the message". If they talk directly to their players and give them what they want; that all falls apart.
I love with everyone saying to go Zenurik, meanwhile Vazarin let’s you literally just be invincible and be constant healing. Vazarin all the way babyyyyyy Can’t use energy if you’re DEAD
people saying Saryn has spoilers, that certain name drop doesn't register as a spoiler unless you already know, so it doesn't register as a spoiler unless you've already gotten there. this is stupid.
FYI there's many players that see watching new players experience the game, especially this quest, as the true end game experience.
Guilty as charged.
Ooops
*looks at my 2,200h of gameplay*
*looks back at the comment*
Don’t you dare call me out like that 😡
It hurts to say that this might be the end for me, tenno
Absolutely. Nothing warms my veteran heart more than watching someone else reach those moments where the 'walls' of what you thought the game was, drop out and you just revel in the game opening up before you
Watching new players going through the story is my favorite past time while farming, never gets old
Second dream literally changed my entire experience with the game, and seeing someone's first time with it brings me untold joy.
Hey, don't know if someone has told you this or if you've noticed in passing. However at around 1hr28m you were asking about how players were supposed to know were/how to get certain things. It will say periodically in chat, but if you ask a question in the in game chat one of the bots will answer your question. This works with dming a bot in the in game chat. For example find [DE]KickBot and select talk. Then just ask "how do I get Excalibur?" Then the bot will respond with the answer. However I do agree that DE should make it more readily known that this is a feature.
This. This needs more upvotes. All the answers for frame locations are there.
Wait seriously? I guess it goes to show how little I’ve used Q&A chat lol
Most players use the bot for “when baro”, I feel
years in game and still didnt know there is such thing as chat bots for help. :D when i was new and wanted to look how to get a new frame or weapon i simply use arsenal if you choose something you dont have it shows you if you can buy blueprint or where to get it and alle the material. and this never changed so cant think of a more easy way for new players to show them where to go.
I also think DE wants people to interact with each other more. Even just a few questions.
I have like 400 hours in warframe, 200 from years ago on ps4 and over another 200 steam over the last year or two and I didn't know this wtf...
oh god he's barely left the tutorial and already he's being tormented by green banshee...
2:44:15
"congratulations. you finished tutorial. now, here's character creation!"
People saying the same exact shit years later. Get a new line
@@andycampbell8622 ever pondered they say it because its true? I dont see you coming up with any fancy inovative lines to say here either, but instead, complain in a way that makes you sound like an unhappy sad person.
Andy is right though. You sound like a broken record.
@@Mangareader27 Dude….why do you care?
Andy didn’t say anything worth saying. This game has a culture around it and part of it is the idea that this was a long tutorial.
Now you get why veteran community REALLY tries to preserve this quest spoiler-free for new players :)
The game engine is the Evolution engine. It was made by DE for their game Dark Sector, it has been worked and re-worked many times. At one point NVIDIA stopped support for the particle systems and DE made a new particle and shader system from scratch. It is the most performant game I've ever played with this level of detail and visual complexity.
Steve doesn't get enough credit in the industry for really pushing the bar in getting games to look great in efficient and innovative ways. I think he really let himself shine when he would livestream while they were pushing out a major patch; that man thinks like both a programmer and an engineer, and his little explanations about tweaks to their lighting systems or reducing file sizes was fascinating, even for a layperson. I really hope Steve keeps that tradition with Soulframe.
"a hand, held in mine, aboard the Zariman" 💀💀💀💀
2 sentence horrors for those who know
Wow in all my years of being a Warframe lore buff, I never caught that. It could just mean something innocent, but knowing DE it's very possible foreshadowing
I don't think that parallel was intentional... the tenno talks about holding their mother's hand, and or memories of 'the incident' are locked away until The War Within
@@godzelda123 they literaly hinted at the sacrifice and second dream with the codex of certain warframes like rhino prime and ember prime.
@@zi9044 how to make a grown Tenno cry
1:36:12 start of quest
Omg thank you
also, one funny thing i noticed from your Second Dream playthrough that's relevant to your point on the lack of early-game difficulty:
in the section where you have to breach the Void gate and Hunhow summons a Sentient battalyst to deal with you, when the quest first came out, player damage output was still mostly in control and those things actually couldn't get oneshot (hence why Lotus has a line saying that the drones adapt to your attacks and you should try something else). they used to be immune to status effects, and they were tough because they also gained more damage resistance to whatever damage type you hit them with. back in the day, that meant typical meta weapons at the time like the Soma didn't just delete them on the spot, so that encounter actually stood out.
unfortunately, a few years later they decided to remove the Sentients' status effect immunity (and kinda stopped trying to rein in powercreep). the result of these changes essentially makes the Sentient enemy's first appearance in the game being made trivial and forgettable.
Ash bladestorm spam to kill or atlas punching repeatedly
I went into that fight unprepared with a Mesa and a Soma Prime and somehow eventually killed it like 25 minutes later lmao
IMO I kind of like power creep from a lore perspective. It's an arms race. Back when Sentients were relatively rare, we didn't have the means to deal with them and so they were hard to fight. Few years go by, Tenno develop tech that works better on Sentients, Sentients produce tougher enemy types in response, rinse, repeat. I mean obviously it's neither intended nor organic, but it's fun to think of it that way instead of just complaining.
In terms of a story quest, though, you're right. The quests are kind of a time capsule back to when they were released, so "modern" gear totally overpowers them. On the other hand, when the quest was released, and actually I think still even now, nowhere is it said that Void damage resets Sentients' adaptations, so clearly that wasn't perfect either. Power creep is why I like the quests like The New War and the Veilbreaker missions where you play as other characters with little to no loadout deviation; you're essentially guaranteed to be able to complete it, because everything is balanced for the stuff they give you.
Although what I did was mod Ivara to stay invisible constantly, which makes for a much more relaxing gameplay experience. XD
@@Fallowsthorn " quests like The New War---you're essentially guaranteed to be able to complete it" it was like an entire thing when the quest came out how some people (mainly the ones who spent plat to insta get the railjack and necromech) didnt have a strong enough one and got soft locked in it. i dont remember how that was resolved but funny times.
@@ShinyRIS The railjack part you can't fail unless you try to fight everything. You're meant to just rush through it. I don't even remember when or what the necramech was used for, but mine was crap (still is tbh) and I made it, so it must've been fine.
7.5 hours of stream, this is warframe dedication...
BTW be on lookout for increased difficultly for new player experience when enemy armor will be tweaked.
I been hoping he play this for a few years now. They will even have a change to the new player system when 1999 drops. the choices will be (warframe)(paradox)(1999)
@@A_Game_Zone why should there be increased difficulty when armor rework is done`? its gonna be easier to remove armor
Did he watch gauss grendel trailer?
@@cavemanpretzel9520If he didn't watch it last time, he's watching it here or tomorrow when he's playing Warframe again
The big debate is would this have had the impact it does if it came earlier in the game???
Probably not.
Warframe really does subvert that better after 50 hours for this reason alone. Such a gift to those who put in the time.
Even more so for the players that got to it before having 3-4 open world levels and cinematics. When I went through Second Dream it felt like all this lore and spectacle came out of nowhere and made it REALLY special.
I think they should add some basic quests near the start though, like the simple quests for mirage or limbo, but just a bit earlier.
God, I love living vicariously through new players. Thank you
1:25:22 What's not clicking for chat is that it'd be nice for the game to actually bring it up during the game, like the lotus talking about the materials on a planet or ordis doing so. Most new players aren't going to be looking at stuff that closely, especially the casual ones. They don't have to hold your hand through everything, yet they should also introduce the connecting systems in the game better. There are so many new players that play without understanding or equpping mods for many planets at a time, and mods are like 40% of the game
cant you r3 to see a planets resources or is that only visable after getting an extractor
While I agree that some info at the start would be nice, once you hit 30+ hours, can you still be called 'a new player'; second dream is definately veteran player territory.
This is a bit of the disconnect here. Part of warframe is building connections; and for some players, adopting new players is the end game experience. Warframe is also vast, and getting the data you need often requires that you use other sources.
Trading has already been mentioned
The wiki is good (just watch for spoilers)
And if you're having problems getting that scan done, there's a steam thread that is really good and dedicated to just that.
So, IMHO he's gone past new player and needs to stop pretending because he slowed down his advancement due to that mindset.
@@robertpopa2628It doesn't really matter where he is NOW. He's saying that these introductions should have happened SOONER. His whole point IS that he's now so far in the game and only NOW there are quests showing up that explain certain (but still not ALL) important systems.
The problem isn't that the information isn't out there. The problem is that a new and casual player would NOT KNOW to go out of their way to look up things and that isn't even touching on the problem that you can only go and look up things you don't know about. All of that is compounded by there being SO MUCH to look up that it can be overwhelming and therefore discouraging for new players. The whole thing is that DE is hamstringing their own game's growth with not having a better onboarding experience IN THE GAME.
"Getting the data you need often requires you use other sources" The problem here isn't that there's so much that needs the wiki but that many players would not even KNOW to go and find the wiki. There's plenty of players (both newer and older) who it wouldn't even OCCUR to that they need to look up things. THAT is the problem. A literal conversation I had with a friend who has been a gamer for ages was them kind of asking how I progressed my mastery rank, in their eyes, so fast. I told them that they need to level up weapons and frames. Their response: "yeah, but I don't want to spend so much money on them, is there no other way?" when I said that they don't need to buy the frames and weapons, they can just build them, I got a: "I didn't realise I could do that... where can I build them" back. So I had to explain.
And y'all can justify this lack of guidance with "well, Warframe is a community driven game" all you want, but by the time you've found a 'mentor' thought participating in the community you SHOULD ALREADY KNOW A LOT OF THOSE BASIC THINGS!!!
I love the Warframe community, I love how welcoming and helpful it is and I think DE is doing a great job in a lot of ways to cultivate a helpful and warm community, but having to invest 10, 20 hours into the game and community to know a basic function of the game is a huge deterrent for people. THAT'S the problem. We all want more people to experience this game, but the game sometimes feels actively hostile towards beginners. That is what is being criticised.
@@IzzetArtificer im sorry but your friend not realizing you can build weapons and frames is entirely his fault, bc thats explained.
@@josephg.1.130 it's explained THAT you can build things but not where to get the blueprints from. That was my friend's problem.
A summarized history of what the eff is going on and the info known through various codex entries and stuff up to the second dream.
Short explanation is the orokin were trying to colonize a new star system, Tau. So they made self-replicating machines, the sentients and sent them there to terraform it for them. They were made with a flaw that traversing the void made them unable to create more of them, essentially making them infertile. Finding out what the orokin did and to keep them from colonizing is why the sentients went to war with the orokin.
The tenno were on the zariman 10-0, the first colony ship to Tau. There was an accident mid-jump and the ship went missing, presumed lost. Years later it reappeard and the salvage crews ended up finding the orphans of 10-0, the children the only survivors who were changed by the void and had powers they couldnt control. Margulis helped them but was executed by the orokin council and the tenno thrown into storage essentially. Then the old war happened and the orokin found out tenno could control warframes. They use the tenno to win the war, and at the victory ceremony the tenno kill the orokin council and topple the empire, vanishing afterwards, then 1000 years later we are awakened and the game starts.
In short, the orokin were bad people and every major experiment or tool they created eventually turned on them, us included.
We werent given this info freely and it was pieced together over years from snippets of info here and there. You hit the quest at 70-80ish hours of play, for the players at the time it was a MASSIVE bombshell that rocked the community. We had years of theory-crafting on what the tenno were and how we swap between warframes and stuff. (My fave at the time was we were energy beings taking control of bioengineered super soldier bodies, or our brains being transferred between them)
Me and my friends are table top rpg players, so when a friend finishes this arc we ask:
So now that you're done with character creation, what do you think.
Tailjack used to rough
You had to be in a guild
Cost more to build components
Took a lot longer to build
Now, there's a hangar at a relay
Cost has been reduced
Time has been reduced
DE couldn't refund the time gate, but they refunded the difference in resources.
There’s a hanger in a relay? I gotta check that out.
I love that they rebalanced Railjack. For the sake of new players, of course, but also because I got sooo many materials back after the rebalance.
Which is why I left. Still love warframe but sitting on all those resources and grinding more just to get them thrown back in my face was majorly discouraging and told me that the devs didn't respect my effort and dedication. Still love the game but man that was bitter.
@@ninjaeddy1717 saturn I believe
@@dovakeen1179 quite the opposite. They understand that the resources represent hours or even days of farming. They didn't have to, they could have been 'lost to the void;' and your hours of farming would have been a waste.
Unlike other games that just shut down entire sections of the game, preventing you from exploring those areas, or removing gear that you spent days or weeks grinding for, and then even more time to make it better. All with no recompense because you don't really own anything that's on their servers or in their game.
Yes, one of those games has stopped sunsetting gear, but it looks more like a grasp to stop hemorrhaging players.
I suggest looking up the history of Warframe operations. There is a lot of plot related content that players completely cannot experience firsthand and can only get from veterans or videos. A lot of the content, for example, fleshed out alad v's story.
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It's less 'cross-classing' or 'subverting expectations'. What it is, is they don't take from things like D&D, they are taking inspiration from actual mythology usually.
Oberon for example isn't a 'druid paladin', he's inspired by The Green Knight from actual mythology.
That being said, there is one D&D inspired frame though.
3:13:18 - I think I know what you may be talking about. The problem is that you don't get the characters in Second Dream and build them up and their experience with the veterans.
Your look of disdain when Salad V came up kind of explains that. We need more character build up before Second Dream similar to what the veterans had by knowing these characters through events that aren't in the game anymore.
Yes, it would be amazing to make old operations replayable for story content, but... The rewards and the amount of dev work it would take to update all of it are not justified to DE versus creating new content.
@crazyrussiannhb That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm more suggesting they put those villains relevant to Second Dream in New quests that give them more character, not bring back old content.
And I'm sure they can bring back the idea that the bosses in those sections give messages to the Tenno as they'd done before.
@@crazyrussiannhbtbh honest I would rader have that then rng based weapons and warframe picks new game modes.
2:43:12 Congratulations for completing tutorial
god cant wait to see you passing through ’The Sacrifice’
Can't wait for the proper video, I forgot how unique was this feeling of finding out stuff about WF lore. Wish I could forget just to experience it all over again lol
Same, I'd love to play through all the Warframe cinematic quests in order for the first time again.
This has been a lot of fun to watch. These are moments that you can only experience for the first time once.
He's gonna love The war Within quest
as a warframe i never questioned what i was doing and who i was, lotus would send me where i needed to go. and it just reminds me of the hive and its mind from no game no life zero the movie
Also, to anyone watching this after the fact, Mirage Prime and Khora Prime's trailers have zero spoilers, unlike what chat was saying. They have references that you need CONTEXT to understand. If you don't have that context, the references mean nothing to you, or something different. The trailers are still good, they're very stylish and show the Frames off well, and do have lore, they just mean MORE when you know more.
If you don't, they spoil nothing.
Without putting any kind of text on screen to let people know you don't want anything but cosmetics, you're just gonna get gifted everything at this point lol. Really wish there was an option in settings do disable gifts that are not decorations or cosmetics.
He states that he doesn't want to use wiki to figure things out quicker, or too much hand holding, as he just wants the raw experience of what Warframe is like and to see what it does wrong and what it does right. I respect that, but I feel just freely being gifted a bunch of frames kind of crosses into the territory of experiencing what Warframe is like.
Farming the frames is a huge part of the game and the longer he leaves the gifting flood gates open, he will slowly get more and more free frames, slowly chipping away at much of the content and time spent in Warframe. It worries me a bit.
@@lilfuzzballa depending on the type of gamer he is, it could make him rapidly get bored as he burned through the act of getting the character himself, or he might not care at all and just enjoy using it.
He seemed to imply he was the former but only said once to not gift him frames, but anyone joining after he says this, wouldn't have heard him say this and gift him a frame.
I’m thinking of how many of my favorite fights he’d be skipping from not having an incentive to farm certain warframes…
No exploiter orb
No kullervo fight
No Ropalolyst (that might be a good thing)
Not doing the Inaros quest
@@youraveragechroma2139 He said he plans on doing all of the quests anyways and there's still some incentive through helminth as well
I think to improve new player experience is to mandate getting second warframe as a required main quest, it could be Nyx, Rhino, or any early game frame( or even new frame).
Ordis guiding you trough modding system( with upgrading and synergy).
And enemy get 5 level or 10 stronger starting from out of earth to feel the need to mod and used to the weponry.
(Edited) Also more that makes progressive weapon and frame cook time. As in mr1 weapon can be cooked in 1hr or 2, frames could be start at 3hr. And later weapon with high mr requirements can stay the same. Just so new player can use new weapon fast( and feel the need to spend plat for weapon space or sell mk1 weapons).
Why would they need to mandate getting a second frame? Early on you already can farm hydroid, rhino, valkyr and nekros + frames that have their own quests and dojo frames. Literally wouldn't change anything.
I loved how the chat exploded with Zeniruk during the focus choice
!SOME CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT STEEL PATH!
I think the actual amount of players who get to steel path and are able to actively do it without dying Is a fraction of the player base... Based on the queues for normal steel path missions, u usually do them solo, unless it's some generally farmed mission like Mot and Tyanna pass, Dark sectors etc.
people do Tyanna Pass SP?
@@AnymMusic yes... You get more crystals
@@AnymMusicYeah you get more crystals
I'm loving watching you discover this stuff
This is awesome dude....im strapped in and going on this journey with you.....thanks for playing our game but more importantly thanks for giving it a fair chance.....welcome Tenno
Just hearing the music gives me chills...every time...
Started playing the game last month immediately after your Wake Up Call video. Just finished Second Dream last night and man this game has its claws into me. The community is super nice, helped me get my first first prime, Khora, and been having a lot a fun with it. Thanks to your vid man, keep up the amazing work!
Also started watching after an Asmon vid 😅😅 your content is top tier 👌
Been playing since Alpha, and I have never seen our community spoil the story to a new player. That says something about how good this game actually is. I will always have deep love for Warframe in my heart Watching this gives me the shivers. I envy all new players that will go for the first time trough this amazing adventure that is Warframe.
Talking on new player experience, you have very valid points, and a lot of longer time players started before the somewhat recent defensive stat overhaul. Used to be that defensive stats on the frames were significantly lower at base than they are now. They may have overshot the mark a bit on survivability, but it also really depends on not only the frame and build but how the player plays. Meaning that more you move around the less enemies hit you. Literally. It's coded into the game that the faster you move the less accurate enemies are.
I recommend watching the Triburos stug series where he finished the entire star chart with the stug. Trib was rly stug in hell, padum tsh..
3:24:53 Welcome to level 1, many to go. But you need The War Within to get to level 2. I don't mean level in the RPG sense, i mean in the mind blown sense.
To me the second dream quest had that AAA story telling fo as short as it is. AMAZING
When I here that track I still get goose bumps even years later.
This game just keeps on giving - I have started playing back in April 2013 and at that time the game didn't feel like it was going to be a big thing, but it was interesting enough to keep me playing... and oh boy... am I glad I kept playing - It's been over 11 years since the day I experienced the game for the first time and it just keeps getting better and better. Now I'm 4700 hours deep in Warframe and guess what? There. Is. Still. More. Stuff. To. Do.
Some tips from me if you accept them:
-when you have an available quest in the codex try to prioritize that as they usually have more content locked behind them until you complete it
-do not rush anything, this game is a test of patience, always progress in your own pace, keep it comfortable
-the long waiting times help people avoid burnout, sort of forcing you to take a break from something, that you might have to do over and over again
I am always happy to see someone new to the game enjoy what it has to give. You just got to the first big milestone of the game, which was The Second Dream. There will be several other milestones like this and I can't wait for you to make more videos on them. Coming up, The War Within.
Unrelated to ANYTHING major in this video, but im glad to see you really enjoy dante! He came out when I was taking a hiatus from the game, I JUST returned to do the Jade Shadows event and continue from there, and im glad to see new players enjoying the new warframes available! I have no idea how he actually plays but in your past few videos about the game i see you maining him and volt a lot, so thats a good sign!
Think of the warframe wiki as the handbooks from D&D. It will be your best friend as you navigate the universe and become more interested in maximizing your load outs through synergies and customizations.
I'm looking at Excalibur in the Market and it says this:
*"Blueprints for Excalibur's components are acquired by defeating Lieutenant Lech Kril on War (Mars)."*
I don't know if they put it in an update, but I do remember seeing this message long before this video was uploaded. I think it might be the settings.
Watching someone get into warframe like this is pure joy.
Tip: when in a solo quest, or solo mode in general, bringing up the menu, pauses the game, this doesnt work on open world areas though, or if you're alone but still in other matchmaking settings
1:36:06 - The Second Dream quest officially starts.
Now get him to read rhino prime codex and ember codex entries
You're right about the difficulty. I got Wukong prime as my second frame and used his for well over a hundred hours and just walked through almost the entire star chart. The only thing that kept me engaged is the exploration and the choices available. If it wasn't for so many options being available I would've quit in 10 minutes but now I have 1,000's of hours in the game. I used Wukong Prime, the Boltor and a Cassowar for then entire star chart.
It triggers me very much when people don't realize (not necessarily their fault, as it's very subtle and hard to see) that faces 1 through 13 on the primary face determine the female body type, with the rest resulting in male.
This is the second time I've seen someone pick a male primary face and a female voice, thinking they are creating a female.
Also still disappointed that the old raven voice is being replaced (along with the others), because it was a soft spoken alternative, very fitting for a naive teen as well. This was _my_ operator.
Now it's a choice between gravelly voice and even more gravelly... raven being the latter for some reason, but it's often hard to tell which is even which.
Unfortunately raven is being replaced because theyre not available to do VA for warframe anymore, i dont know the specifics but they did originally wsnt her to do the new war too but couldnt get her.
1:59:40 I was struggling on this quest myself back in the day. I was running around for what must have been 30 or 45 minutes not finding anything, so frustrating.
@LegendaryDrops LUA SPY means using the rifts to jump between time periods. If you cannot interact with a target console, you need to find a nearby rift and jump to the opposite time period and try there.
And now, Welcome to Warframe, fellow Tenno, you got a long journey ahead, see you out there
its always satifying to watch others get to the character creation
The second dream, look like you are close to finish the tutorial then and thats perfect.
You officially woken up teeno ! ❤❤
05:04:46 almost all rescues have an alternative entrance which doesnt require hacking (other than the cells themselves ofc), i think theres only one rescue mission that doesnt, dont remember
I think one thing to remember about Warframe, and it applies to a lot of different aspects...the difficulty, the gameplay, the Frame/ability variety, even the new player experience...is that the game paces itself. It doesn't show its best right out of the gate because things get better. I've plenty of games, as many other people have, that put their absolute best feet forward in ALL manners, and the longer you play, the game never meets that initial impression, and the interest, inevitably, tanks.
Warframe is more like a diesel engine. It takes a while to rev up, but once it does and it's firing on all cylinders, figuratively and literally, its ability to get better and better continues to amp up. People haven't stopped buying diesel engines because they take time to rev up.
MarcoMeatball did a playthrough of all the major quests, and I'm trying to rewatch them to find it, but he makes an exceptional remark about delayed gratification, and it's something other games refuse to do. They think blowing your mind in the first minute will keep you pleased into the 5000 hour mark, and it just doesn't gel psychologically. When you eat a meal, the first bite is always the most pleasurable, but every bite after involves chasing that pleasure, and is always less so. Obviously, it's faster to finish a meal than a long-form live service, but SkillUp discussed this in his Masterstroke video as well, that it shows confidence on the devs' part to place mindblowing content later in the game as a carrot to work for, as opposed to putting it minutes after first logging in.
It's WORTH the work and time one pays into it. Unlike many other games, which just aren't.
3:09:18 insane DBZA reference. No matter where you go you can’t escape them
You can practice the mastery rank on the station before commiting. 3:07:18
I think the main problem with Warframe players is that they only see power fantasies as steamrolling enemies and fundamentally cannot grasp any idea outside of that.
you're 100% right that we need to see the effect abilities have on enemies in order for it to feel like our gameplay matters, but this is just something they can't grasp. every time the devs try to balance things to make that possible, the playerbase throws a pissfit and force the devs to stop balancing things, recent example being Dante. it's ludicrous how much the devs have to preemptively apologize and prostrate themselves before they try to balance anything.
WF used to have that, it was called CC. DE chose to focus on DPS focused gameplay Vs stealth/cc, a few years of power creep passed, and here we are. Yes, leaving no witnesses is a type of stealth. I also don't mind the incoming changes if they make levelcap a challenge once again. The poor "balancing" that they did to Dante did not lower his nuking ability on normal path, and only made him more of a chore to play while tying his performance to one of the least reliable systems left in the game, LOS. It's a nothing burger "fix" that will probably be bandaided with an augment sometime later on.
Regarding the difficulty of the game I think they made the beginning stages of Warframe that easy is for the people that never catches on how the mod works. I also have the feeling that they made it easy at the beginning because it was meant for players to focus on how to do the mechanics first. ITs hard to try stuff and explore as a new player if we accidently made the game to difficult at the beginning Now I do agree needing a buff a bit on the early stages every thing before mars, not too much but just a bit of push back like making earth enemies start with lvl 4-10 instantly or maybe increasing the number of enemies spawn a bit. I also think making MR 1-4 weapons instantly craft but not instantly farm resources early on. This can help the player incentives to continue to play the game more time gating can put off the players early on instantly.
I’ll never understand why people complain about the wait time for failing a mastery test. In school they wouldn’t let you retake an important exam if you fail and that’s what the tests are. They don’t stop you from progressing through the game nor do they lock you out of content (even though some things should be MR locked again imo). Just go do something else once the timer is up practice it to make sure you’re ready (I.e. not bringing the wrong weapons) then stomp it.
That's not a great 1 to 1 comparison.
For one, you can at least give Ian credit for actually practicing before stream. Most new players are not guided by hundreds of other players to teach him that like he was. And honestly there is a bit of a transparency problem with MR rank tests to begin with. How about not making the "practice test" button just some small thing in the corner. How about as soon as they click "Begin Test," there's a forced pop up that explains that there is a 24 hour lock out if failed, and that it's highly encouraged that they practice first. School is way more transparent and better prepares students in what to expect. Warframe does not do that very well with MR tests.
Besides, he was prepared. He just accidentally brought in the Ignis and it wasn't clicking in his head that there's a spool up time to the Ignis and that just tap firing it wont give him the range he needs. That's more like the equivalent of a student bringing in a a brand new pen they bought for the test, but they find out that it's a faulty pen that they can't figure out why it wont work. So instead of the teacher letting the student quickly grab another one, the teacher fails them instead.
Not one to one at all. The 24 hour lock out is too harsh considering the lack of transparency, and the stupid ways in which you can fail without even a slight bit of leeway for situations where issues are excusable.
@@lilfuzzballa The game does prepare you for the tests through gameplay. He might've just had "streamer brain" (focusing on the chat rather than the game) which I'm not going to fault him for but even if you practice it once that doesn't mean anything.
Why wouldn't you practice again just to be safe? I didn't have someone to guide me through the game either the one person who introduced me to it stopped playing until I figured everything out.
I play on console so my experience is different admittedly but how hard is it to take 2 seconds to realize what you're clicking on?
As far as the school parallel goes I think of the tests as final exams sure you can practice it but if you fuck up that's on you and your punished for it
@@FalteredGreed Look the 24 hour lock can still be there, but if they could at least simply force the first attempt to be a practice, it would help new players that are unaware. We are not talking about something as serious as education and the importance of not cheating yourself of your education.
We are talking about a new player experience in a video game that should be fun, clear, and intuitive. Let the 24 hour thing exist, let there only be one "real attempt," but all I'm saying is make things bit more clear. Give pop up windows with warnings, and have a loadout window right in front so they can see what they are bringing in to the mission.
These are QoL life changes. It doesnt detract from anything MR tests are trying to teach. There's no reason to argue against QoL changes like these other than if you selfishly feel because you had to go through the learning curve, that players after you should have to learn the same way you did.
Former Warframe Game director and current CEO of Digital Extreme Steve said he did get inspired by The Guyver.
Hydroid with pilfering is also a good farmer
There have also been a few changes to hydroids abilities since this trailer.
And yes, khora is good to, she also needs a pilfering mod though
What about Necrophilia?
When you fail your mastery rank test and need to wait 24h for next attempt - its not punishing you from progressing: all your experience will go up. Its just not shown in the interface. You can still level up equipment and all XP will be yours - hidden. Then you will pass MR test - and will see it. Its possible even get multiple MR without passing MR tests, then pass them all in one succession.
What I find really funny about this is that you colour your Frames pretty much exactly like I do.
Pitch black with cyan and magenta highlights.
It's a fun thing.
2:38:33 Interesting word choice. You've got a knack for those.
Welcome to the warframe community, love to see someone else fall in love with this game. Been playing since 2015 and this game just keeps getting better.
I still remember when we just had a star chart and no Orbiter. The Frames needed to actually equip their skills in the form of mods.
Then came the Orbiter and then the second dream hit..... and it hit hard.....
1:48:45 I laughed so loud I scared the cat. Perfect reaction, A+ no notes
I forgot just how much the colour correction setting burns your retina
A little late to this one but I love people discovering Warframe.
I started playing when Plains of Eidolon released.
The star chart is really easy till you reach uranus or Jupiter.
But i was with MR2 on Cetus these days and tried to farm all 5 bounties, that was tough as fuck with an mk1-paris and mk1-kunai.
Every experience is different.
But i kept playing because the movement and gameplay was so fun, has nothing to do with the difficulty of enemies, at least for me.
But they need to work on that, the jackal fight rework was a nice beginning, but the ones after that till rolypoly on jupiter are just bad.
And btw. steel path is no problem even lvl 9999 enemies are no problem if you understand the game.
I have now 5k hrs into the game and i am excited about the status rework.
Up until second dream i had quit the game a couple of times being like "i love the gameplay, the style, the art but... It's just a farming simulator" then i heard of this "Natah" quest and i followed it into second dream. And my whole world changed.
it's kinda funny seing him/people in general struggle with the lua spy mission when it'S once figured out one of the easiest and fastest spy missions in the game (as far as i know sofar, i'm only up to war within myself right now)
also for new players that may see this comment... Warframe has a Q&A chat where you can ask where to get things.... and most of the time you WILL recieve an automated message in reply as well as other players responding to tell you
1:46:06 rap tap tap
I love this comment lmao.
Margulis is Nata is Lotus is your mummy, they are all still alive in one, multiple personalities.
For people wanted the start of the mission! 1:35:44
lemme guess Legend made the mistake to pass on the reach stat with Volt ? for info : a strenght-reach Volt with a bit a efficiency and no duration is a monster in sanctuary and defense (especially paired with a limbo constantly recharging his energy with the bubble). You can easily clean a whole map in one shot of the ultimate
I quit the game a bit before the deimos open word and didn't keep track much. Just came back thanks to you and boy i'm still lost.
Press 5 in mission when the circle in the bottom right is full
Isn't there another quest before he can do that?
He did do that at least 3 times. His operator pops out and does the void chest beam. That's what the operator is only capable of after the Second Dream. It's until after he completes The War Within that he can do the other thing we are so used to doing.
The statement of PC players have more enemy spawnrates is true but thats cause enemies dont lag behind as much they try to allign their frames while moving with the highest framerate a person has so if you have 30 or less frames like console players do they just get a tiny bit slower and since there is a cap to enemy spawns its better to have a pc player I guess that being said I havent heard anyone voice this over as console players like pc players but I guess it does make sense
I can't wait for him to experience the whispers...
He´s converted to Warframe OST We did It!!!
I see he did the same thing I did at the start. Female voice, female looking character, didn't realize that only certain faces change to the female body type.
Damn, fucking hate lua spy.. i need to memorize each one to farm it '-'
I love the comments about not knowing the spy path. True facts everybody just lets that 1 person do the spy mission and they avoid it like the plague star.
As a note, i don't remember if the game lets you still, but if you can I'll always recommend doing the war within and chains of harrow before doing rising tide, as there's something you won't see if you do rising tide first
That's a great point about pricing. I haven't bought a full price game since I bought a ps2 forever ago. I'm not going to pay $70 for a game I dint know if I'll like it or not, that's crazy. I wait until they hit 70-90% off then I'll buy it.
I started with Mag on PS5 and Excalibur on Switch. With the right mods and focus, you are fine. You just have to be careful fighting Corpus.
valkyr prime trailer: "tenno tamed, but only just" those who know, know.
@Legendary Drops
Not sure if this is a recent change, but Excalibur definitely shows on my Warframe where to get it. Because it is a boss drop, perhaps it is a boss you hadn't yet fought?
They are mad at the prospect of losing marketing, because that's how consultants control "the message". If they talk directly to their players and give them what they want; that all falls apart.
I was completely lighheaded watching this stream, i can barely feel my hands right now
Wait till you get to The Sacrifice. That's a whole new can of worms
I love with everyone saying to go Zenurik, meanwhile Vazarin let’s you literally just be invincible and be constant healing. Vazarin all the way babyyyyyy
Can’t use energy if you’re DEAD
people saying Saryn has spoilers, that certain name drop doesn't register as a spoiler unless you already know, so it doesn't register as a spoiler unless you've already gotten there. this is stupid.
2:43:00 Well done, you just finished Warframe's tutorial ! :p
I'm not joking