I think if it were me- and I confess I'm more of a 'maker' than a gamer- I'd leave some rooms filled with rubble and some part filled with some mostly cleared out, the idea being maybe they're in the process of clearing it to use for cover? So you get a blend of playability and 'natural' ruin look. That's just a wild suggestion.
Wow. Was not convinced at all until you threw the different sized grit on - but man, what a sweet outcome! Looks amazing, it really does, and the couple of wooden planks you added also make all the difference in believability. Another great video, mate!
wow, love how this building's turning out mate!...somehow I managed to completely miss this build series...and I thought I'd watched nearly all of your videos! ...I've just been going back and watching the smaller quick-build foamboard vids, because I've finally tracked down a couple of local places to buy that stuff...I just bought a couple of 3mm A2 sheets of it just to get a feel for it, used about half a sheet so far, and got something fairly similar to your quickbuild one...still got a ways to go with adding more three-dimensional detail, rubble, etc...but I gotta say, that foamboard is great fun to work with - and of course all your great tips and advice have helped me out a lot and saved me a lot of pain in getting started, so thanks loads for all that mate! ...something you might want to have a play around with if you haven't already, cork tiles - I picked up a 6-pack of 6mm-thick, square foot cork tiles for ooh, I guess about 6-7 pounds? (AU$13.50) from the flooring section of my local big DIY-type store...so that's pretty cheap for 6 square feet of potential terrain material, and it's nice and easy to work with, just cut it up with a stanley/hobby knife, like you would with the foamboard...or you can just snap chunks off it, crumble it up right down to small crumbs if you want...it's great stuff for any kind of rubble, slabs of broken wall/pavement/road/rock...heck, it might even work for building an actual structure...I may test that myself at some point actually, though it might prove to be a bit too brittle or flexible or something for actual structural purposes...it's still great stuff for model bases and general rubble though - and you can work real quickly with it too, since you can glue it with superglue
Top stuff Mel. I was a bit headscratch over getting more texture on my structure builds (lotsa plastic, very little weathering or rubble). Very helpful.
When doing rubble or any other kind of surfacing on terrain it's worth keeping in mind your models bases, not just for whether a piece is accessible. When doing a ground covering if your bases aren't completely flat (the base is elevated with a hollow space in between the edge that actually sits on the table) you may want to check that whatever your surface your laying doesn't have pieces that rise high enough/just out enough that it tilts the bases of models placed on top. While you could fix it by just removing the offending pieces, doing it on what was a finished piece and then having either a empty patch or having to refill that spot isn't the greatest experience. Two things for Mel: 1. Can you still make out the detail you carved into the floor beneath all that grit? Seems like you did a lot of work on the floors only to obscure it with a layer of grit. 2. Did you ever get to use this piece with your guard and how did it go? Also was that area of 3rd floor/roof big enough to sit a heavy weapons team because that'd be killer (literally in some models cases). Bases must make it difficult to set up your heavy weapons teams in a building where it looks like they've set up a nest since their bases put them with a minimum distance from the walls, windows and such. IDK why I'm complaining about that when I'm not a Imperial Guard player (as of now). Anyways, awesome work Mel. Everytime I think you can't possibly add anything else to a piece to take it up a notch without leaving me in the dust as to how I could replicate that you suprise me. Everytime.
I started doing this on my last build and it's a really good effect. I also used it for rubble piles in the middle or you could for just random rubble piles as scatter terrain. One material you can also use is plastic coffee stirrers, the small round ones, cut up to represent pipes. I have some in my pile of terrain materials but haven't tried it yet. Oh and as a side note when they announced the new Terminator minis game I thought of these tutorials right away for making terrain. They'd be perfect.
Im just getting into this world and your videos are an inspiration!!! Thank you so much for putting so much time into this for us to learn from. Such a blessing!!! If you are curious about my builds ill be starting maybe we can share via email or such! Thank you again Terrain Tutor!!! YOURE THE MAN!!!!!! ~Devin Wold
I'd think that filling in the ground floor with rubble would be quite a good way to go. The rubble choked ground floor would block line of sight, while the upper floor would provide cover. I picked up some nice rubble from a war games show. The folk selling it do some resin casting and pour the left overs into a shallow tray, let it set and then smash it up. This gives you little chunks of resin with two smoothish sides and broken edges. It was a great buy at around £1 a bag ;) Another informative video... Gluemageddon :D :D :D The model is looking great.
Euan Smith After saying it, I kept thinking about the building in world of tanks that have the ramps, reckon I can do that mate ;-)Nice find on the rubble bag ;-)
What's cool about this other than the technique itself is that this is basically how video game designers make a worldspace and 3d models. They have textures over meshes and LOD to trick the eye much in the same way the basic shapes like the wedges coated in paints, washes, highlighting, and sealants. Great video TTT. I appreciate that you share this style with the world. Just out of curiosity, have you heard of AlFigures here on youtube? He makes 1/12th scale dioramas for the Marvel and Wrestling figures out of insulation foam boards. He does a lot of graffiti art on the dioramas too. I highly suggest his channel. Not that you could learn anything from him you don't already know. Just maybe to get inspirations for future projects you make. Thanks again for making these videos. :{J
I'd be interested in the materials, techniques and colors that you would use to adapt this to half-timbered medieval style cottages and buildings instead of concrete structures. I'm building a Mordheim table with MDF buildings and I'm sprucing them up with wall textures and rubble I'd be curious as to how you go about this!
I am absolutely amazed with your segments, I have one burning question. How do you work out the scale for your buildings and effects. I am trying to make features and bildings for Bolt Action, 28mm figures and my gear is either too small or too large hope you can help
Hey Mel, brilliant stuff. How would you tackle the accessability problem with non ruined foamboard buildings? Also would love to see you make Necromunda style terrain
Have been following this series a while now and just wondered if this project will be completed? I'm on tenterhooks to see your next steps - love the work so far, dude!
You do great work. Just one question, how long would it take a novice like me to get results like this? How long does it take you when you don't have to make a video on it? Thank you for all the info you provide.
baelliott79 There's nothing there that a novice couldn't do mate so it's just down to time mate. There's probably 10 hours work in the build without the filming :-)
Looks like you got the lighting sorted out better Mel. Very clear and shadow free. Did you color those different grits or did they come that way? I dont remember if you said. And where did you get it? Did I miss an episode?
Bill D. in Iowa Cheers buddy, it's getting better with every vid :-)It's all from a bag of mixed concrete ballast that's been dried and sieve, how it looks is just how it looks mate
TheTerrainTutor A bag of mixed concrete ballast? Could you elaborate please, is this something you made or bought? If you made it I dont recall a video for it. Thanx.
Do you ever make terrain for smaller scales? I always feel very limited trying to get realistic terrain in 10mm scale that still allows the teeny little toy soldiers to stand up...
WulfCorbett Hmm... I just looked up the definition of Braille Scale... seems it's the opposite of what I thought - 1/72 & smaller. I always thought it was 25mm & bigger, for those who weren't up to anything smaller...
TheTerrainTutor Solid idea! I imagine ibwould discover this in a future video of yours, but I'm just working through playlists at the moment. :) Cheers!
+TheTerrainTutor I'm a iron warrior player so the dark castle ruins,towers covered in old looking brick or field stone(I'm a stonemason by trade)is very appealing to me. I've been to sing the idea or dark castle ruins around.but I'll need more of an idea on how to pull the chaos ,demon,or dark gothic look of suck a thing.but that's a conversation for another day I suppose lol
TheTerrainTutor I was referring to the bit at 4:35 where you talk about making herculite parts.. I would love to know what the best casting plaster is.
hmm, not sure where to get that here. its not on Amazon. What about Hydrocal? Is that a good one? On a limited budget and cant afford to mess around with trying them out..
AHH GLUEMAGGEDON you know... you could have scooped up most of what you wiped away and used it elsewhere LOL I buy PVA/Elmer's by the gallon but I can't afford to waste it. :)
I always say that when I opebn the gallon bottle the first few times. It's when I'm mixing in water to soften the dregs because "I can't go out just now" and I have to have every last drop to finish a job. LOL THAT'S when I'm all > gee the goop I wasted...
Yeah, so I was watching the tutorial, yeah? And I just had to come to the comments, yeah? To see if I was the only one, yeah? It's distracting, yeah? So, yeah...
Thank you for having a story about the history of your piece. It makes a big difference and it differentiates it from other amateur work. Good Job.
Just started adding rubble to mdf ruin kits. This is great, cheers mate.
This is really good advice. Not using bits of rock bigger than your walls seems so obvious, but only after you've said it.
WGRevival It's always the simple things matey :-)
I think if it were me- and I confess I'm more of a 'maker' than a gamer- I'd leave some rooms filled with rubble and some part filled with some mostly cleared out, the idea being maybe they're in the process of clearing it to use for cover? So you get a blend of playability and 'natural' ruin look. That's just a wild suggestion.
Great video! Lots of great ideas for adding rubble and making buildings look realistic. I particularly like the use of fascia.
Wow. Was not convinced at all until you threw the different sized grit on - but man, what a sweet outcome! Looks amazing, it really does, and the couple of wooden planks you added also make all the difference in believability. Another great video, mate!
Cheers buddy, it's always those finishing touches that bring it all together!
Really liked that one mel. Would never have thought of putting the foam triangle in to build height.
Martin McNeil It's a simple trick but it works really well mate
wow, love how this building's turning out mate!...somehow I managed to completely miss this build series...and I thought I'd watched nearly all of your videos!
...I've just been going back and watching the smaller quick-build foamboard vids, because I've finally tracked down a couple of local places to buy that stuff...I just bought a couple of 3mm A2 sheets of it just to get a feel for it, used about half a sheet so far, and got something fairly similar to your quickbuild one...still got a ways to go with adding more three-dimensional detail, rubble, etc...but I gotta say, that foamboard is great fun to work with - and of course all your great tips and advice have helped me out a lot and saved me a lot of pain in getting started, so thanks loads for all that mate!
...something you might want to have a play around with if you haven't already, cork tiles - I picked up a 6-pack of 6mm-thick, square foot cork tiles for ooh, I guess about 6-7 pounds? (AU$13.50) from the flooring section of my local big DIY-type store...so that's pretty cheap for 6 square feet of potential terrain material, and it's nice and easy to work with, just cut it up with a stanley/hobby knife, like you would with the foamboard...or you can just snap chunks off it, crumble it up right down to small crumbs if you want...it's great stuff for any kind of rubble, slabs of broken wall/pavement/road/rock...heck, it might even work for building an actual structure...I may test that myself at some point actually, though it might prove to be a bit too brittle or flexible or something for actual structural purposes...it's still great stuff for model bases and general rubble though - and you can work real quickly with it too, since you can glue it with superglue
TG ZoBo Awesome mate, I've used cork tiles for basing but never extended it to actual buildings, might have to have a play ;-)
Top stuff Mel. I was a bit headscratch over getting more texture on my structure builds (lotsa plastic, very little weathering or rubble). Very helpful.
harbl99 Glad it helped matey
When doing rubble or any other kind of surfacing on terrain it's worth keeping in mind your models bases, not just for whether a piece is accessible. When doing a ground covering if your bases aren't completely flat (the base is elevated with a hollow space in between the edge that actually sits on the table) you may want to check that whatever your surface your laying doesn't have pieces that rise high enough/just out enough that it tilts the bases of models placed on top. While you could fix it by just removing the offending pieces, doing it on what was a finished piece and then having either a empty patch or having to refill that spot isn't the greatest experience.
Two things for Mel:
1. Can you still make out the detail you carved into the floor beneath all that grit? Seems like you did a lot of work on the floors only to obscure it with a layer of grit.
2. Did you ever get to use this piece with your guard and how did it go? Also was that area of 3rd floor/roof big enough to sit a heavy weapons team because that'd be killer (literally in some models cases). Bases must make it difficult to set up your heavy weapons teams in a building where it looks like they've set up a nest since their bases put them with a minimum distance from the walls, windows and such. IDK why I'm complaining about that when I'm not a Imperial Guard player (as of now).
Anyways, awesome work Mel. Everytime I think you can't possibly add anything else to a piece to take it up a notch without leaving me in the dust as to how I could replicate that you suprise me. Everytime.
I started doing this on my last build and it's a really good effect. I also used it for rubble piles in the middle or you could for just random rubble piles as scatter terrain. One material you can also use is plastic coffee stirrers, the small round ones, cut up to represent pipes. I have some in my pile of terrain materials but haven't tried it yet. Oh and as a side note when they announced the new Terminator minis game I thought of these tutorials right away for making terrain. They'd be perfect.
SmittyM14 Nice tip matey, and yes, been speaking with Alessio, so expect something Terminator specific closer to the summer launch ;-)
Awesome!!!
Plastic Bendy straws make really good industrial piping as well, iv got a big ole bag of them in my terrain making stuff for factories and the like :)
I'm thumbing up every one of these that appears on my feed haha. Now to let it auto play...
Im just getting into this world and your videos are an inspiration!!! Thank you so much for putting so much time into this for us to learn from. Such a blessing!!! If you are curious about my builds ill be starting maybe we can share via email or such! Thank you again Terrain Tutor!!! YOURE THE MAN!!!!!!
~Devin Wold
Get yourself in the terrainiacs fb group mate!
TheTerrainTutor I will! Thank you!
I'd think that filling in the ground floor with rubble would be quite a good way to go. The rubble choked ground floor would block line of sight, while the upper floor would provide cover.
I picked up some nice rubble from a war games show. The folk selling it do some resin casting and pour the left overs into a shallow tray, let it set and then smash it up. This gives you little chunks of resin with two smoothish sides and broken edges. It was a great buy at around £1 a bag ;)
Another informative video... Gluemageddon :D :D :D The model is looking great.
Euan Smith After saying it, I kept thinking about the building in world of tanks that have the ramps, reckon I can do that mate ;-)Nice find on the rubble bag ;-)
Good tips on ruins and rubble. Thanks for sharing.
Stronghold Crafter Kev Thanks mate, no worries, it's what I'm hear for :-)
Really well done video! I like the effect of the rubble.
John Kelley Thanks matey
What a transformation, looks brilliant already even without the paint :-) Cheers mate
Terry Bass Must admit, I thought very much the same mate
Think you can make a follow-up tutorial on just throwing rocks and gravel at PVA? I think it needs expanding on. lol
Beautiful Chaos...
+Jonnylee5000 I thick i've already covered that one mate ;-)
Nice tutorial there but could it have included some I-beams or other steel structure?
Nice tutorial matey. end result is great
***** Cheers buddy
As a sealer you can also safely use Minwax spray polyurethane
What's cool about this other than the technique itself is that this is basically how video game designers make a worldspace and 3d models.
They have textures over meshes and LOD to trick the eye much in the same way the basic shapes like the wedges coated in paints, washes, highlighting, and sealants.
Great video TTT. I appreciate that you share this style with the world.
Just out of curiosity, have you heard of AlFigures here on youtube? He makes 1/12th scale dioramas for the Marvel and Wrestling figures out of insulation foam boards. He does a lot of graffiti art on the dioramas too.
I highly suggest his channel. Not that you could learn anything from him you don't already know. Just maybe to get inspirations for future projects you make.
Thanks again for making these videos. :{J
I'll check his channel out mate, thanks for the heads up
Great tutorial Mel! Thank you👍
no worries bud
I'd be interested in the materials, techniques and colors that you would use to adapt this to half-timbered medieval style cottages and buildings instead of concrete structures.
I'm building a Mordheim table with MDF buildings and I'm sprucing them up with wall textures and rubble I'd be curious as to how you go about this!
I'll be covering that in the medieval lets make series mate, coming next month
I'll be waiting!
Great job, I learned a lot .
awesome mate
I am absolutely amazed with your segments, I have one burning question. How do you work out the scale for your buildings and effects. I am trying to make features and bildings for Bolt Action, 28mm figures and my gear is either too small or too large hope you can help
Nick the measurements from manufactured kits mate ;-)
looking great Mel
Walk About Gamez Cheers buddy :-)
Some REALLY good ideas- thanks Mate!
Scott Dallimore Thanks matey
Hey Mel, brilliant stuff. How would you tackle the accessability problem with non ruined foamboard buildings? Also would love to see you make Necromunda style terrain
Sigurður Jónsson with box builds, I normally go for removable roofs, stackable floors over removable walls
Have been following this series a while now and just wondered if this project will be completed? I'm on tenterhooks to see your next steps - love the work so far, dude!
Donald McCabe Yes it will, I've been waiting until I could get a decent replacement airbrush but that should be here soon :-)
Lovely to hear! I'll be following along happily!
You do great work. Just one question, how long would it take a novice like me to get results like this? How long does it take you when you don't have to make a video on it? Thank you for all the info you provide.
baelliott79 There's nothing there that a novice couldn't do mate so it's just down to time mate. There's probably 10 hours work in the build without the filming :-)
It´s looking great, how is it comming along? Are you going to finish it?
+Dennis Hemå Hopefully soon :-)
love your foamboard tutorial, when will you paint this one? i'm waiting that for ages XD
+Mirko Trionfini I've got to get it done soon, it's starting to become the bane of my hobby life
Looks like you got the lighting sorted out better Mel. Very clear and shadow free. Did you color those different grits or did they come that way? I dont remember if you said. And where did you get it? Did I miss an episode?
Bill D. in Iowa Cheers buddy, it's getting better with every vid :-)It's all from a bag of mixed concrete ballast that's been dried and sieve, how it looks is just how it looks mate
TheTerrainTutor
A bag of mixed concrete ballast? Could you elaborate please, is this something you made or bought? If you made it I dont recall a video for it. Thanx.
Bill D. in Iowa
www.diy.com/departments/bq-sharp-sand-gravel-all-in-ballast/35702_BQ.prd
TheTerrainTutor
Ah, got it now Mel. Thanx!
Very realistic. Good job!
+John Kelley Cheers matey
What kind of stones are the little ones you are using? I'm looking for them and I can't find them anywhere :S
I sieve ballast mate
Awesome as always! Thanks for sharing!
Halloweenville Cheers buddy, anytime!
Do you ever make terrain for smaller scales? I always feel very limited trying to get realistic terrain in 10mm scale that still allows the teeny little toy soldiers to stand up...
Me too. I do WWII Eastern Front right now.
WulfCorbett To be honest, I've done very little small scale terrain although I really should give it a proper go mate
TheTerrainTutor Go on, get away from Braille Scale while your eyesight & the tremors still allow you :-)
WulfCorbett Hmm... I just looked up the definition of Braille Scale... seems it's the opposite of what I thought - 1/72 & smaller. I always thought it was 25mm & bigger, for those who weren't up to anything smaller...
Where did you get your assorted grit from? Any manufacturer?
I sieve builders ballast into various grades mate
TheTerrainTutor Solid idea! I imagine ibwould discover this in a future video of yours, but I'm just working through playlists at the moment. :) Cheers!
Where do you get your sands or rocks? Do you get them from someplace like homebase or where?
Maitiu B I buy a large bag of concrete ballast and then oven dry it and sieve it into various grades mate
where do you get the rocks you said not to use?
+CaptainSwift11 builders merchants mate
Random question, are them brushes from Lidl?
RxPxD No, the local market but I've seem the same in lidi and various other shops mate
How could you go about showing brickwork on a building?
+dani cool Actually, yes, that's a cracking idea, I'll do a vid mate
+TheTerrainTutor I'm a iron warrior player so the dark castle ruins,towers covered in old looking brick or field stone(I'm a stonemason by trade)is very appealing to me. I've been to sing the idea or dark castle ruins around.but I'll need more of an idea on how to pull the chaos ,demon,or dark gothic look of suck a thing.but that's a conversation for another day I suppose lol
i would love a tutorial on how to make that super plaster.
Is this what you were after?
ua-cam.com/video/__x9V_EgH3A/v-deo.html
Euan Smith Thanks matey :-)
TheTerrainTutor
I was referring to the bit at 4:35 where you talk about making herculite parts.. I would love to know what the best casting plaster is.
*****
Crystical works for me mate
hmm, not sure where to get that here. its not on Amazon.
What about Hydrocal? Is that a good one? On a limited budget and cant afford to mess around with trying them out..
I take a drink every time you say watchacallit!
Tommy Fleming Mate, you're on your way to liver failure!
Just kidding pal. Excellent videos, you make it look easy!
Great job!!
I cringed when I saw all of that glue glop out. Nice save.
+Aaron Wolbach It's not the first time that's happened! lol
is this 1/35th scale?
Whatever scale you make it
TheTerrainTutor how's the feather palmtree?
Rubble bits. Pleas make a vid
GOOD SNIPER TERRAIN!
LeSadW666 That's what I was thinking ;-)
looks nice
james and his stuff Cheers buddy
AHH GLUEMAGGEDON
you know... you could have scooped up most of what you wiped away and used it elsewhere LOL
I buy PVA/Elmer's by the gallon but I can't afford to waste it.
:)
+foofighterubu Probably but it's not like I'm short of pva lol
I always say that when I opebn the gallon bottle the first few times.
It's when I'm mixing in water to soften the dregs because "I can't go out just now" and I have to have every last drop to finish a job.
LOL
THAT'S when I'm all > gee the goop I wasted...
foofighterubu
You buy only one gallon? ;-D
+TheTerrainTutor lol, yeah. J
+TheTerrainTutor lol, yeah. JUST one gallon of Elmer's
Dude, Very good tutorials, but can u please STOP saying "whatsumacallit" lol.
Adam J Langley trust me, I've tried lol
Yeah? Great videos, yeah?, but so punishing, yeah?
HJH413 hard to watch. He says yeah, and "whatcha call it " hundreds off times
Yeah, so I was watching the tutorial, yeah? And I just had to come to the comments, yeah? To see if I was the only one, yeah? It's distracting, yeah? So, yeah...
If you want subscribers then you'll have to drop the accent, speak slower and with greater diction. It can be done.