Put in a couple hours yesterday as Ramasses, and it was a blast between conquering Sinai to politicking the royal court. Also the Medjay units are pretty dope and the Sherden skirmishers are no joke when used appropriately. The game is definitely a breath of fresh air. Well done CA Sophia
God, I really wish they'd go back to allowing you to move single units around the map. Instead of restricting them to armies. So annoying having to bring an entire army back to reinforce or have an army solely dedicated to ferrying new units to the front line. And I miss being able to send one unit of cavalry out as a scout.
what was the last game they let us do that in? I'm guessing Shogun 2 before they went all in on incorporating the whole provincial style of over world maps.
@@aarengraves9962 Can't possibly have a historical narrative that does not somehow involve a Western character or faction... It's just sad that developers (or movie producers for that matter) are simply unable to shine a positive light on non-Westerners without this incessant need to make the story (even a little bit) about "the West". Let's face it: the West was a dark backwater region at that time with nothing significant to reproduce in terms of economics, science, technology, literature, etc. compared to the East, and it would remain so for roughly another 2000 years. So, obviously, the Greeks are the closest thing to representing Westerners, though even that notion is ridiculous. Bronze age Greeks were as close to present day Westerners as present day Chinese are close to Namibians. It's just political, more than anything else.
Greeks were so missing here. I have even postponed my try on mesopotamian factions for long so far, to play with Odysseus first and maybe Troy second, or even Thrace too.
Me in Discord: I wonder how if Pharaoh kind of succeeds Troy as the definitive way to play this little pocket of history? Andy: Here's a video dedicated to exactly that. As always, thanks for what you do!
i have a problem with CAs treatment of diomedes who was the most popular troy character. not only he's not a faction leader of his own, he's also not affected by mortality settings. Boy needs some love, he got shafted again.
I just recently got this game on sale and I'm blown away by the variety in this game. So many interesting play styles are available which is something I always appreciate in a Total War game for maximum replay value. I never buy TW at launch so I guess this last patch really expanded the game to encompass more mechanics.
I owned Troy and just bought Pharaoh, so i started a campaign as Egypt, but I did want to play the Greek factions. I just wish they had more as major factions.
Major and minor factions are more or less the same, the main difference is just a bit less unique units for minor factions and for most of them no unique leader, but other than that they're almost the same.
Currently playing as Mycenae. I wish Menelaus was shown as Agamemnon’s brother in the family tree and married to Helen. It’s weird that the game lets me marry them off independently.
It would be nice to also have the Dorians in the Aegean as minor faction, after all they played a crucial role in the Bronze Age collapse at least on the Aegean region.
i just got the game and playing as Achilleas as my first play. going alright so far and enjoying Pharaoh. Might try Agamemnon though since he is major faction
There isn't really that much if a difference between minor and major factions except that manor factions have commands, which aren't that important, and they have bit more unique units. But with the Perseus legacy you can recruit all the units of other factions if you're allied with them, so as Achilles recruit your own units and Agamemnons units for example if he's your ally.
no surprise that it would take a group of bulgarians (non-americans) to make this game properly. i don't know what has happened to CA, but they can close up shop and leave everything to sofia from now on.
imagine if they just keep expanding the map this way. we could eventually have the entire europe like that one total war rome mod that ads thousands of cities with tiny regions and more detailed. no more conquering one city and now you have the entire country (im looking at you total war empire). they could essentially then use this map for next total war games like empire 2 or medieval 3. that is my wet dream.
I played as Agamemnon and played Menelaus. I noticed Helen and Menelaus were not in the family tree, so I divorced Clytemnestra and had Agamemnon marry Helen. It worked surprisingly well and I think I prevented the Trojan War.
Kinda like this update, though this makes archers and slingers a bit overpowered no? I am playing as Troy and my spearmen just get destroyed with that lethality chance.
Amazing game but very hard! I played as Odysseus but had a forever conflict with the sea peoples who eventually destroyed me down to my last village and it was game over xD Had to start again with Achilles but he died in a battle to capture a town. :(
I know people will hate me for saying this, but this is just one step away - by adding mythical units - from the Age of Mythology Total War that i've been dreaming of since the first time i played Total war Third Age. I do respect historical fans but i still hope modders would do their magic.
Definitely Pharaoh, it's a lot better and also way bigger with many new factions and features Troy doesn't have. The only reason to keep playing Troy is if you're into the myth elements and monsters because Pharaoh doesn't have that stuff, but other than that it's better than Troy in every way.
Not really enjoying army movement. Just had an enemy go right through my army, sack one of my settlements and retreat back their territory in a single turn. (Started in Assyria)
I don't like all the gods stuff since I'm more a classical total war plater and I prefer focusing on the diplomatic stuff and warfare.. but I'm trying to adapt myself to it
The gods stuff at it's core basically isn't that much different than how gods in Rome 1 worked. There is the extra step of choosing your god first in that menu but then you just build temples for a god and get bonuses from the temples. Only difference here is if you build many temples for a god you get better bonuses and you can devote a general to a god so he/his army get's some bonuses. But for the most part you don't have to do anything except just build temples like in Rome 1.
I wish there was a mod to remove the mythological characters. But still, credit where it’s due to CA for actually listening and giving the Bronze Age Greece game we wanted. Now I can conquer the Middle East as Troy.
Someone will probably make that mod soon. Personally I prefer mythological characters (and there's still debate among scholars about whether or not they could've been based on actual characters and that the Trojan War maybe was real/based on a real event) over generic characters, I mean they're kind of made up too and didn't exist so there's not really a difference between CA making a character up in 2024 like Walwetes/using some random generic made up general as faction leader or using characters some Greek guy in about 800 BC made up, both are not historical. And if you want to conquer the Middle East first with Troy, there's a good chance all those mythical characters in Greece will be dead anyway by the point you might decide to go to Greece. Now that they're mortal and can die in battle they probably wont survive more than the first few dozen turns. And there's also an option to retire characters in your own faction (basically makes them disappear and removes them from the game), so you can just remove all the characters within your own faction that you don't like in the first turn of the campaign.
@@lp4514 Hmm, good points. When I read about the historicity of this period I came away with the impression that a cataclysmic war like the Trojan War probably happened, but the characters didn’t necessarily map on to real figures. And yeah, by the time I’m a few dozen turns in the mythology seems like it’ll fade.
Damn I wanna play as Athans in Total War Pharaoh :( is there a mod for that? If so then I will defintally buy it just so I can play Athans. (Also Ik I can play as them in Rome and Rome 2 I just wanna try it out here)
I played it and to be fair it’s kinda fun, it’s not perfect of course, but it scratched an itch for me that I wanted for a Bronze Age set total war game.
@@Flow86767 I reckon I’m gonna get it eventually, like all total war games. I’m sure it’s good, but my only doubt now is the experience in terms of battles
A lot bigger and better. Way more content, more mechanics, more factions and cultures, bigger map, better battles, pretty much everything is better unless you're really into the monsters Troy has, because Pharaoh doesn't have any of that.
@@lp4514 Niceeeee and how about the battles i remember playing Total War: Three Kingdoms and loving the physics of the cavalry chargers, how is the game engine in pharaoh?
@@Filsoh It's different from battle to battle, sometimes the charge of cavalry (although Pharaoh has mostly just chariots) or infantry charging into infantry looks really good and has a lot of impact and sometimes it doesn't and they just "stop" when making contact (like it often happened in Rome 2 if you played that too). So I would say currently Three Kingdoms as you said is one of the best when it comes to that, but maybe they'll improve it in Pharaoh with a few more patches.
I kind of Wish Sparta was separated into its own Kingdom and I hope Greece does get the kingdoms separated at some point I don't like the combinations of them.
Let us hope this is finally the modern historical TW game with a grand strategy layer that goes beyond "tech far enough that you can build a couple of megastacks and then proceed to auto-resolve your way through one passive AI faction after another until the map is fully painted". I will be waiting for the first balance patch to drop before jumping in though.
I love the update, hated the original release with a passion. There is one small feature that ruins the game for me tho, that fucking administation burden thing that punishes you for upgrading your provinces, why did they do that? It sucks! And its not like this is a super historical game like rome 2 with the DEI mod that makes it super realistic.
Started with Agamemnon, first battle, reinforcements didnt join the battle because you have 2x 6 unit armies vs enemy 12 unit army. Alt F4ed the game. Perhaps in the future I will retry the game.
Are you sure you didn't do anything wrong, like that the second army wasn't close enough to the first one? Because I played Pharaoh since release and never had that problem, there's usually always a reason why the reinforcements don't join a battle.
The campaign game is much better than old school total war but the battles are very meh. They need to go back and look at some of the battlefield controls in the older games. Trying to break out of a siege should not start with AI reinforcements rolling into my rear while in front of the city walls. That is just asinine. Have formations keep the order you put them in when you move them forward would be nice. So many dumb little things like this. I am just left asking why break a formula that was working fine for decades to essentially dumb down the battlefield part of the game.
I think it’d be pretty cool if they added items like armor, weapons, horses and retinue to each character profile. I feel like it’d definitely help with survivability of the generals
@@lukedumoulin8204 WTF are you talking about? These things have been in-game since Day 1. There's even a dedicated portion of the Faction Summary describing your starting equipment.
props for using the Troy soundtrack. The game was okay for me, but the music is absolutely amazing and fits the period/theme too well.
Put in a couple hours yesterday as Ramasses, and it was a blast between conquering Sinai to politicking the royal court. Also the Medjay units are pretty dope and the Sherden skirmishers are no joke when used appropriately. The game is definitely a breath of fresh air. Well done CA Sophia
Honestly, Pharaoh is probably my favorite historical game now. Everything feels so in-depth and polished, CA Sophia is my fav studio.
Better then rome 2 ?
@xxrazzxx3779 Personally, I prefer pharaoh, but I'm more interested in the bronze age than in Rome at this point of my life
I agree 100%. Really the only thing I miss is the delayed reinforcement they put into WH3. I really like how that can change battles.
Really? Campaign is fine ig but nothing for me will ever beat the battles from med 2. Best cavalry charges.
Agreed!
God, I really wish they'd go back to allowing you to move single units around the map. Instead of restricting them to armies. So annoying having to bring an entire army back to reinforce or have an army solely dedicated to ferrying new units to the front line. And I miss being able to send one unit of cavalry out as a scout.
Agreed, I even remember having minor skirmishes against my enemies. While building my main army to prepare for the invasion.
what was the last game they let us do that in? I'm guessing Shogun 2 before they went all in on incorporating the whole provincial style of over world maps.
Greeks were the reason I purchased Pharaoh.
Greece makes history more interesting in every game :D
Makes sense, it's a representation for westerners in an eastern region.
@aarengraves9962 The Western is a modern concept trying to fit Bronze Age Greece into the narrative of the Western world makes no sense.
@@aarengraves9962 Can't possibly have a historical narrative that does not somehow involve a Western character or faction... It's just sad that developers (or movie producers for that matter) are simply unable to shine a positive light on non-Westerners without this incessant need to make the story (even a little bit) about "the West". Let's face it: the West was a dark backwater region at that time with nothing significant to reproduce in terms of economics, science, technology, literature, etc. compared to the East, and it would remain so for roughly another 2000 years. So, obviously, the Greeks are the closest thing to representing Westerners, though even that notion is ridiculous. Bronze age Greeks were as close to present day Westerners as present day Chinese are close to Namibians. It's just political, more than anything else.
@@m.f.1156take your meds my g
@@gluteusmaximus299 solid rhetorical skills you got there my g.
Greeks were so missing here. I have even postponed my try on mesopotamian factions for long so far, to play with Odysseus first and maybe Troy second, or even Thrace too.
Me in Discord: I wonder how if Pharaoh kind of succeeds Troy as the definitive way to play this little pocket of history?
Andy: Here's a video dedicated to exactly that.
As always, thanks for what you do!
I am very happy that you have shared this news with us. There are lot of games I would ignore if it were not for you.
Been waiting for this all day
i have a problem with CAs treatment of diomedes who was the most popular troy character. not only he's not a faction leader of his own, he's also not affected by mortality settings. Boy needs some love, he got shafted again.
Fr he's so prominent in illiad but they only focus on cuck Menelaus
More popular than Achilles or Hector?
@@steppahouse he's multiplayer meta as well.
I just recently got this game on sale and I'm blown away by the variety in this game. So many interesting play styles are available which is something I always appreciate in a Total War game for maximum replay value. I never buy TW at launch so I guess this last patch really expanded the game to encompass more mechanics.
Excellent review, but cant help noticing you pronounce Priam's name as Prima multiple times lol
i picked it up last night and am enjoying it
I expected to hear about units, rosters, army compositions. Maybe I will do it at some day. Good campaign guide though
I owned Troy and just bought Pharaoh, so i started a campaign as Egypt, but I did want to play the Greek factions.
I just wish they had more as major factions.
Major and minor factions are more or less the same, the main difference is just a bit less unique units for minor factions and for most of them no unique leader, but other than that they're almost the same.
Hey Andy will you do guide for ancient legacies which is best/worst etc ?, btw love the game
Currently playing as Mycenae. I wish Menelaus was shown as Agamemnon’s brother in the family tree and married to Helen. It’s weird that the game lets me marry them off independently.
Achilles all day everyday
achilles so much more boring then major factions
@Mysteryboy0007 I mean that's why ur not the greatest warrior
I’ll definitely have to buy the game soon
Great job CA Sophia. This comes from a total war player since rome 1
It would be nice to also have the Dorians in the Aegean as minor faction, after all they played a crucial role in the Bronze Age collapse at least on the Aegean region.
It took until playable sparta before a LOT of people gave pharaoh the look it deserved, and thats sad - and my dog heard it before me.
i just got the game and playing as Achilleas as my first play. going alright so far and enjoying Pharaoh. Might try Agamemnon though since he is major faction
There isn't really that much if a difference between minor and major factions except that manor factions have commands, which aren't that important, and they have bit more unique units. But with the Perseus legacy you can recruit all the units of other factions if you're allied with them, so as Achilles recruit your own units and Agamemnons units for example if he's your ally.
You should try head to head campaigns ngl
CA Please put all these mechanics on a Empire 2 or Medieval 4
Attila was my favourite historical TW .... this is tempting
atilla look likesht compare to this
Perfect 🇬🇷🥰
no surprise that it would take a group of bulgarians (non-americans) to make this game properly. i don't know what has happened to CA, but they can close up shop and leave everything to sofia from now on.
Hyenas😂
I Just wish they added the behind the myth campaign because when I use Achilles in battles he doesn't feel as powerful a hiding behind the line
imagine if they just keep expanding the map this way. we could eventually have the entire europe like that one total war rome mod that ads thousands of cities with tiny regions and more detailed. no more conquering one city and now you have the entire country (im looking at you total war empire). they could essentially then use this map for next total war games like empire 2 or medieval 3. that is my wet dream.
as someone who lives in fethiye (telmessos) i love this update lol
Gutted it ain’t out on Mac yet
Could you make a narrative video on pharao?
As minors you can customize campaign so u have rnd commands but not sure if it works cuz no descrpition was in my try to I decided to play without.
I played as Agamemnon and played Menelaus. I noticed Helen and Menelaus were not in the family tree, so I divorced Clytemnestra and had Agamemnon marry Helen. It worked surprisingly well and I think I prevented the Trojan War.
Kinda like this update, though this makes archers and slingers a bit overpowered no? I am playing as Troy and my spearmen just get destroyed with that lethality chance.
They are definitely deadly if you let them have their way with no response
Just turn it off
Instead of two similar games, there ought to have been only one Total War Bronze.
That’s what this is now
Amazing game but very hard! I played as Odysseus but had a forever conflict with the sea peoples who eventually destroyed me down to my last village and it was game over xD Had to start again with Achilles but he died in a battle to capture a town. :(
I know people will hate me for saying this, but this is just one step away - by adding mythical units - from the Age of Mythology Total War that i've been dreaming of since the first time i played Total war Third Age.
I do respect historical fans but i still hope modders would do their magic.
Political Marriages was also on Empire, but was cut.
Now if they just made a viking game this in depth with a Mythos dlc thrown in then ill throw all my money at CA HQ
800 Ad whole Europe plus North Africa and Levante. With diplomacy of three kingdom would sound good
The total war audience is obsessed with character skins. I wish this audience was more invested in game mechanics instead of family Sims
? Marriage, dyanasties and family tree ARE game mechanics that help you get immersed into your faction…has nothing to do with skins
@@tylerman39 that's why I mentioned both separately and family Sim as a mechanic I dislike.
Andy is this better than Troy total war now if I was just interested in the Trojan war?
Yeah it’s much better man
How do you host games as agamemnon?? I can't find the option under politics after choosing that legacy.
Pharaoh vs Troy? which one?!
Definitely Pharaoh, it's a lot better and also way bigger with many new factions and features Troy doesn't have. The only reason to keep playing Troy is if you're into the myth elements and monsters because Pharaoh doesn't have that stuff, but other than that it's better than Troy in every way.
Not really enjoying army movement. Just had an enemy go right through my army, sack one of my settlements and retreat back their territory in a single turn. (Started in Assyria)
I played as Agamemnon but he died in battle at my second 3rd turn.
I don't like all the gods stuff since I'm more a classical total war plater and I prefer focusing on the diplomatic stuff and warfare.. but I'm trying to adapt myself to it
The gods stuff at it's core basically isn't that much different than how gods in Rome 1 worked. There is the extra step of choosing your god first in that menu but then you just build temples for a god and get bonuses from the temples. Only difference here is if you build many temples for a god you get better bonuses and you can devote a general to a god so he/his army get's some bonuses. But for the most part you don't have to do anything except just build temples like in Rome 1.
I wish there was a mod to remove the mythological characters. But still, credit where it’s due to CA for actually listening and giving the Bronze Age Greece game we wanted. Now I can conquer the Middle East as Troy.
Someone will probably make that mod soon. Personally I prefer mythological characters (and there's still debate among scholars about whether or not they could've been based on actual characters and that the Trojan War maybe was real/based on a real event) over generic characters, I mean they're kind of made up too and didn't exist so there's not really a difference between CA making a character up in 2024 like Walwetes/using some random generic made up general as faction leader or using characters some Greek guy in about 800 BC made up, both are not historical.
And if you want to conquer the Middle East first with Troy, there's a good chance all those mythical characters in Greece will be dead anyway by the point you might decide to go to Greece. Now that they're mortal and can die in battle they probably wont survive more than the first few dozen turns. And there's also an option to retire characters in your own faction (basically makes them disappear and removes them from the game), so you can just remove all the characters within your own faction that you don't like in the first turn of the campaign.
@@lp4514 Hmm, good points. When I read about the historicity of this period I came away with the impression that a cataclysmic war like the Trojan War probably happened, but the characters didn’t necessarily map on to real figures.
And yeah, by the time I’m a few dozen turns in the mythology seems like it’ll fade.
Only thing that feels missing now is tin trade
NOW WE NEED DEI MOD OVERHAUL IN THIS GAME
I know few modders who are cooking some good overhaul(s), on discords
idkk if im just being dumb but i cant figure out how to select a royal tradition
huh Maybe pharaoh is worth it now
It issss 😊
I can't find the steam workshop for the game, where can I get mods for it?
Damn I wanna play as Athans in Total War Pharaoh :(
is there a mod for that?
If so then I will defintally buy it just so I can play Athans.
(Also Ik I can play as them in Rome and Rome 2 I just wanna try it out here)
Does anyone know what the music playing in the background is at the very beginning of the video?
Isles of the Blessed from Troy Total War
Thank you!
i try play sutu faction conquering canan to Egypt joined egypt legacy aten but cant build monuments is this a bug or did i miss something ?
This seriously makes me want to play. Don’t tempt me anymore! I gotta keep hating
The game is worth it, you should give it a try.
I assumed it was just hype.
But 6k players playing right now.
Tempting to try.
I played it and to be fair it’s kinda fun, it’s not perfect of course, but it scratched an itch for me that I wanted for a Bronze Age set total war game.
@@Flow86767 I reckon I’m gonna get it eventually, like all total war games. I’m sure it’s good, but my only doubt now is the experience in terms of battles
Still waiting for empire total war 2 or napleon total war 2 or shogun 3 total war.
Anybody with me?
Euh..there already is a Shogun 2, it's been around for I don't know...the last 13 years.
Shogun 3 i am dumb
Medieval 3 as well
So how is this game now compared to troy total war?
A lot bigger and better. Way more content, more mechanics, more factions and cultures, bigger map, better battles, pretty much everything is better unless you're really into the monsters Troy has, because Pharaoh doesn't have any of that.
@@lp4514 Niceeeee and how about the battles i remember playing Total War: Three Kingdoms and loving the physics of the cavalry chargers, how is the game engine in pharaoh?
@@Filsoh It's different from battle to battle, sometimes the charge of cavalry (although Pharaoh has mostly just chariots) or infantry charging into infantry looks really good and has a lot of impact and sometimes it doesn't and they just "stop" when making contact (like it often happened in Rome 2 if you played that too). So I would say currently Three Kingdoms as you said is one of the best when it comes to that, but maybe they'll improve it in Pharaoh with a few more patches.
does anyone feel like the new meta has a lower resolution or is it just my problem?
nope,
Stoked for when the radious mod is ready for this version. Already enjoying the main changes but once that mod is done ouuuwee are we in for a treat
Ew
Not much of a guide. More like a faction intro.
Agamemnon superchad name.
Lol wait what? You can arrange marriage between the same sex? Does one of the fellas give birth to a child?
no you cant but mother and son sister brother and so can marry
If Arnold could give birth, why not?
Prima?
I kind of Wish Sparta was separated into its own Kingdom and I hope Greece does get the kingdoms separated at some point I don't like the combinations of them.
Anyone else losing their mind over "Prima"?!
It keeps crashing for me i cant play it
I will stay with Attila and 3K. Hope for Medieval 3 or Shogun 3 next.
So no Prince Memnon?
He's in Pharaoh too, he starts in Nubia and is the leader of Napata.
Let us hope this is finally the modern historical TW game with a grand strategy layer that goes beyond "tech far enough that you can build a couple of megastacks and then proceed to auto-resolve your way through one passive AI faction after another until the map is fully painted". I will be waiting for the first balance patch to drop before jumping in though.
Achilles ?? 😢
Achilles was added too (and looks way better now with a new armor), they added all characters from Troy to Pharaoh except Amazons.
ACHILLLIIESSSS
I love the update, hated the original release with a passion. There is one small feature that ruins the game for me tho, that fucking administation burden thing that punishes you for upgrading your provinces, why did they do that? It sucks! And its not like this is a super historical game like rome 2 with the DEI mod that makes it super realistic.
Same thing top 3 total War games.
Started with Agamemnon, first battle, reinforcements didnt join the battle because you have 2x 6 unit armies vs enemy 12 unit army. Alt F4ed the game. Perhaps in the future I will retry the game.
Are you sure you didn't do anything wrong, like that the second army wasn't close enough to the first one? Because I played Pharaoh since release and never had that problem, there's usually always a reason why the reinforcements don't join a battle.
@@lp4514 It literally said 2 armies vs that single army in pre combat UI on campaign.
I gave all the troops to Agamemnon for that battle.
Aegean Court? tf?
Liked the video, but man you speak in absolutes a lot! lol
@@brentgerchicoff8084 are you saying what I think you’re saying…
This update pretty much makes Troy total war pointless.
The campaign game is much better than old school total war but the battles are very meh. They need to go back and look at some of the battlefield controls in the older games.
Trying to break out of a siege should not start with AI reinforcements rolling into my rear while in front of the city walls. That is just asinine. Have formations keep the order you put them in when you move them forward would be nice. So many dumb little things like this. I am just left asking why break a formula that was working fine for decades to essentially dumb down the battlefield part of the game.
The game now need a Troy - Mythos like dlc
I think it’d be pretty cool if they added items like armor, weapons, horses and retinue to each character profile. I feel like it’d definitely help with survivability of the generals
They do
@@tylerman39 lmao off they do, but they should add it
@@lukedumoulin8204 WTF are you talking about? These things have been in-game since Day 1. There's even a dedicated portion of the Faction Summary describing your starting equipment.
@@sokar_rostau I mean that is appreciate it if these items had a more noticeable effect on the general’s survival in battle
Still has that cartoony look of Warhammer I don't like
Family tree is a 20 yr old feature from Medieval 1. what a joke
Dude Pree-am. Its hard to take you serious when you cant even pronounce the name rjght.