Hype Is Destroying Car Prices.
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2022
- Fanboy Hype be like: GUYS THE MK4 SUPRA IS WAY BETTER THAN THE MK5, GUYS THE NEW GTR IS JUST A DRIVING COMPUTER. ALSO THE GR COROLLA CAN DESTROY EVERYTHING STILL. BRO, BRO, LISTEN TO THIS: SILVIA'S ARE TOTALLY WORTH $100K!! IT'S CALLED KNOWING THE MARKET BRO! I SWEAR! YOU'RE JUST A POOR HATER!
No...they're not poor haters, they're people with brains and also former children turned into adults with shattered dreams. Imagine 5 years ago, not having your license, still studying school, now able to finally drive and finally make money...only to see all the favorite cars you admired JUST A MERE FIVE YEARS AGO, become more than TRIPLE their price. That is not "Inflation" or "just the market bro" it's a bunch of unreasonable morons chasing a golden hype goose. Nothing can go up forever, whenever this bubble finally bursts, my heart goes out to all the REAL CAR GUYS who DESERVE to own these cars. Keep holding out, stay strong kings. When these broke clout bois finally cave and sink to their 29% APR when the market crashes, these cars will be as good as yours.
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I love import cars. i am a JDM Fan. The reason JDM became a big thin is because Japanese tuners turned "cheap" sportscars in to insane builds.
Nowerdays the prices of these 20-30 year old beat up cars is insane.
buying a jdm car for such high prices is literally the opposite of what JDM culture is about.
Right? When a Supra IS EXPECTED to be a 1000HP Modded Monster being sold for $140K+
I can no longer feel hyped for the "underdog" since it's just becoming what it swore to destroy. It was meant to be the value hero to Car Guys to clap down Rich Snobs.
Now you have to be a Rich Snob yourself to buy one...Tragic. **If you bought one b4 this, you're lucky, I'm not calling you guys snobs. My friend bought his for $30K and it was a 2JZ GTE model, but that was back in 2016.
Euro is the new jdm
@@335is please don’t say that I’m trying to enjoy my shit box beemers. And people already want 5-7k for an e36 with no door cards and a electronic problems.
Ikr! These prices are insane.
Mk4 Supra was around $20,000-$40,000 the last time I checked. Where is it now!? Over $100,000! For a beater
Fd rx7. Was once $15,000 or so. NOW $40,000-$100,000 or so!
Skyline gtr r34. Oh don’t lie you know this one. $50,000-$75,000 or so.
Now!? $400,000! Even one for $549,000 that had 10 miles and was a gtr v-spec II!
Just insane prices rn!
@@E46_wagonlover Yeah E36 prices are something else too...the whole market is fucked. Even Domestics are going up. Cars in general juust fucked.
This is why I'm riding these days now. Fuck gas and fuck these stupid prices. I'll keep my current cars since I love them and until the market settles, I won't trade anytime soon.
I’ve been saying for a long time ‘bro tax’ is a huge problem, not just for the car market but it can’t be good for the economy as well.
You don't know the purpose of taxes. Basically our* money would be useless without it.
@@hectorvega621 the bro tax is an artificial tax that benefits nobody in the long run, unlike real taxes
It’s not even a tax anymore, it’s a shakedown
@@hectorvega621 it’s different than actual taxes. ‘bro tax’ is how much someone can sell the car because the car has a lot of sentimental value to buyers
@@tankkid1017 I thought he was just saying bro tax, but that shit isn't really a tax. It's more of a fee. Tax would go to the Government to increase demand for their currency.
In the Initial D community, we call the AE86 Asking price the "Takumi Tax".
wait till you find out about the keisuke takahashi tax
Mf ghost is about to make the gt86 blow up in value too
I don’t get the hype of the AE86 it’s so fucking ugly it looks so weird, it’s dog shit slow, and it aged badly
My grandmother gave me her AE86 GTS
@@HornyHamster Its definitely overhyped for what it is but i love the look of 80s corolla coupes especially with pop up headlights.
You are just giving these sick people medicine. Keep it up bladed
Won't matter if they refuse the prescription though :\
@@BladedAngel automotive antivaxxers
Maashallah. I really hate people who gets excited for cars rising in value. That drives me crazy. The genius idea of good affordable sports cars are gone.
@@yungboicontigo9278 some older miatas are still inexpensive. But that's about it. It's sad.
@@Xander1Sheridan NA Miata is overrated just like any other jdm car
Damn imagine spending 6 figures for a 30 year-old sports car, only to be bullied by a Camry or something, because the sports car that you spent 6 figures on is 30 years-old lol
I'm laughing as my buddy Devin with the stock MK4 Supra, also owns a New Toyota Camry. And if we were to drag race them...the Camry probably would win.
That Soup just doesn't have the legs it used to. 230HP on a good day. Thing is well north of 140Kmileage and going onto 29 years old.
I don't think it has anything to do with "getting bullied", a dream car is a dream car, and as bladed said they already have that sentimental value and you can't really change that. It just so happens people just flock to JDM and it isn't their fault. I mean sure, I could buy a modern sports car for the same price as a Mits Evo 6. But do I really care about that modern sports car? Nope, I simply do not care about cars that I remotely have no interest in, especially when I think car manufactory is a little too wasteful, I probably will never even take care of that Camry myself and just run it to the mechanic everytime it has issues. Hell my V6 Galant TT is practically worthless in my country because gas, its parts are rare/difficult to work on but it claps muscle cars here and there. Did I buy it because of those things? No, I bought it because I thought it was the coolest thing ever when I was 12
@@BladedAngel my 40 year old truck makes more power than the average stock Supra, that’s kinda sad lol
@@badrott8028 depends on how you define "truck". My cousin recently got himself a 1997 (ish) Scania 164L. 16.4L V8 Turbo, 580 horsepower. It's not difficult to have more horses than a supra in a truck (semi, lorry, whatever you want to call it)
@@Arik-2103 I’m American so a truck is anything with a bed to me
The JDM market has been a big slap in the face for me to the point where I'm somewhat repulsed by JDM cars now. At this rate i may as well get a Porsche Turbo
Get a 993 911 turbo.
They pushed themselves into those competitive price brackets. That was the point I was making with the MK5 too. When the MK5 SUpra was first announced, JDM Fanboys were like, "60K BMW RIP OFF!!! OLD SOUP BETTER!" But now that old soups are $100K+...
I will GLADLY recommend the MK5 instead. I never expected to change my opinion on the MK5, but time carries a lot of surprises...no one saw this coming 3 years ago.
For A90 money you could get a nice 997 Turbo or maybe even a 997.2 with some miles
funny enough, i found a 996 targa for new 2013 brz money. would rather get that instead of paying used aventador money for a supra
@@gunman8452 You absolutely cannot get either of those options for anywhere near A90 money, I promise you.
90s JDM cars are the new 60s overpriced muscle cars.
RIP that market as well. Rusty falling apart b-bodies selling for 20k, fucking joke
@@SomeOne_86 It's sad. And I don't expect them to get cheaper as time goes on unfortunately. Cool cars are now a hobby that the middle class can't afford responsibly anymore.
@@SomeOne_86 good thing first gen Mustang is like less then $5k idk I’m just saying that because first gen Mustang were really best sellers. Ford sold like millions of these so yeah good thing they are cheap.
@@yungboicontigo9278 yeah maybe for a falling apart shell. A functioning mustang in decent condition with a decent engine is like 20k lmao.
@Zero Point yep, so many people see cars as just an appliance, soon enough they will be though. Look at chinese electric cars, they're literally like mobile phones, have it for 2-3 years then throw it away. It makes me sad :(
Just a friendly reminder the FD and R32 GTR went for 15-20k around 2018 and 2019.
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As they still should
@@sondernfy *sad corolla noises*
These JDM vehicles were a literal investment.
@@gogobnr3291 They were originally an investment because they are old ass cars with shit that broke. No matter how well it's taken care of, bushings and seals will Crack and harden. I haven't seen a GTR that didn't have any failure in its 4WS after a month or so of ownership
I feel sad for the people who actually admired these "legends" and dreamed about getting one. Only for their dream to be shattered into pieces because of this stupid old jdm hype.
I sincerely hope this hype culture stops and people realize the actual value of these cars. So that people who actually care about these cars get to own them and not some clout chaser.
Unfortunately hype culture is exactly that now, a culture. So I don’t think it’s gonna stop anytime soon. It’s sucks but that’s the reality….
Only way the cars will go cheap again is if we have a recession like in 2008 that dropped classic car prices
I don’t think prices will drop because the amount of these cars existing shrinks every day
@@themanguy2110 true but one can hope
Yep
My dream car is an R33 GTR V-Spec, and I was really close to getting one. Then the prices rose. They used to be 17k back in 19. Now they are 40+. They ain’t worth that.
And now non bloody turbos or whatever 2 liter rwd’s sell for that.
I don’t like the GTR because of “JDM” or whatever. I like them because they look cool, sound cool. And are cool. And WERE affordable.
Also honorable mention: midnight purple
it wouldnt surprise me if in few years we start to see replicas of supras and other overpriced jdm cars
I still don't know why nobody builds a MK4 Supra replica.
@@EngiNetion yea it would be profitable,maybe licencing and stuff is complicated
In brazil there's are a few R34 replicas yet
@@aleksandar8151 I mean, there are tons of ferrari replicas, aren't there?
@@EngiNetion the thing about those Ferrari replicas are that they just don't look good
pretty clearly fake
It seriously breaks my heart that i'll never be able to own one of my dream cars without spending 6 figures if the market stays the way it is
Oh don’t worry it won’t stay the way it is….. it’ll be worse
@@noahfrye4583 well yeah and the more time goes by the less of them they're be and the less good ones they're be which will increase the prices even more
@@feelingafnar8885 ^This. Money isn't infinite. A lot of these clout bois are on 29% APR and 84 month payments and live paycheck to paycheck. If the Market Crashes (Not just cars, like the Market in general) then the moment these cloutbois are out a job and miss 3 payments. THE REPO TRUCK IS COMING TO TOWNNNNNN.
And when the Bank resells/auctions their precious "JDM Tuner" the Bank doesn't care about sentimental value...during a recession, they want to liquidate it as quickly as possible. AKA that's where real Car Guys can get a chance to buy these cars for cheap again. The Exotic Car Bubble burst in 2008-09 and Ferrari's and Lambos were so cheap, ppl like Rob Ferreti changed his whole life with his ability to snatch up cheap exotics while he could. That WILL happen again. Prices do not go up forever on anything. Period.
@@BladedAngel Let's just hope it crashes soon
*People whose dream cars are supercars:* First time?
At this point you're better off dropping your 150k on getting a 1500hp twin turbo gallardo since you can pay to get them built now. I'd argue it would be more of a sleeper than a JDM car nowadays since people expect the JDM car to be a sleeper and therefore it isn't really a sleeper anymore.
Exactly, as much as I love the supra for example, everyone assumes every supra can gap a lambo nowdays
Yep
crazy, we live in a world where built supercars can be considered as sleepers. Sad and absurd, but it’s true 😂
The Car community literally just did an Uno Reverse card.
Yeah a Supra isn't a Sleeper anymore, everyone expects it to dESTrOY Da LAmBO. So having a Lambo that is ridiculously fast, and also built for cheaper...wtf is this world coming to.
JDM fanboys mostly hate supercars because they think they would beat rich people but they will cry when a 2000hp Huracan beats a Toyota or Nissan. Nowadays, a Supra is now a rich people’s car.
Amen. This is exactly what's happening with z32's. As soon as that one z32 sold for 90k everyone went off to the races 🤦🏾
I am praying something like that doesn’t happen to the Z31 I wanna buy another I loved that car
This happened with basically every JDM car, like the Honda S2000 that sold for 200k
@@bukakkesteakhouse2077 I think you'll be safe. 80s cars don't seem to suffer the same fate as 90s cars. They go up in price slightly but they made a lot of them so you still have time👍🏾
Thank god shitting on RX-8's is still the internet's favorite passtime. I don't think I'm at risk of running out of cheap parts for the forseeable future.
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS Thank God the celica supra is forgotten, because of the JZA80. I'm thinking about buying another one.
The old saying goes: More money than sense. Pretty much the last 2 years in a nutshell. Great video Bladed!
Supras are great and all but for 140K I rather get a 2018 Audi R8 V10 ngl
Supra’s were never great. The R8 is way cheaper since you have a Lamborghini V10 and if you get the first gen with the V8 it is still better then any jdm car ever made
It sucks, because too less hype and then they don't sell at all..luck plays a major role
( Rip the amazing cars like Chevy SS)
Yeah well in Aus dealers and private sellers what more or the same price new for versions with mid to high k’s
Holden Commodore*
Bruh, even when too much hype is happening, people aren't buying them in correlation to the hype. Because most of the people who hype them up are broke
@@arilandedflat fun fact Holdens are just cars from America lol
Holden was/is GM owned and all Commodores are just reskinned Chevy/Pontiacs so while they may have been sold in Australia that doesn't make them Australian because they were made in the US and then shipped overseas
Well, that was more of a case of Chevy being stupid with marketing the SS, but you do make a good point about hype.
Due to the JDM Hype that doesnt make sense anymore.The people who wants to practice their skills in a affordable sports car is now becoming impossible.
Cheap performance cars aren’t a right
@@jensoncremasco3352 your mere exsistance is a flaw in the evolutionary tree
@@jensoncremasco3352 Maybe so, but it's still a problem, especially for car culture's future that there's just not been much made in recent decades that are good for kids to start on and grow with, especially in the basic FR-with-stick format. The prices sure make that whole thing a lot harder across the board. I mean, it's not hard to get good *power,* but the cool *experience* seems out of reach for a lot more.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia Depending I suppose on your relative definition of *cheap.* Maybe less so the type Rs and such, but Integras in general were common enough in more practical form that it wasn't so hard to find a nice one in more practical form with a lot less time and miles on it. Part of the issue really is that 'car people cars' really diverged from the mass market stuff that was pretty easy to make fun.
The rise in price makes sence. Don't be frustrated that you cannot get a jdm car anymore.
Had a friend who loves JDM cars. Back then he was so happy when he met someone who was in to JDMs since at the time they werent as popular. He used to wish they where more popular. Something he now regrets badly. His dream car is an r34 and he's slowly coming to terms with the fact that he's never gonna be able to get one
What's even more crazy is that I've even seen used V6 Camry's and Accords double or more in price because of these wild car prices now, its really making it harder for a guy like myself to even get a decent car let alone one of my dream cars.
2007 Camry with 167k miles is selling for $9k at a dealer near me. Sad af when it should go for at most $3k, maybe.
@@saintpoli6800 most of these Toyota fanboys praises their resale value which pisses me off. Resale value is a stupid hype train. It really defeats the purpose of a used car
@@yungboicontigo9278
I mean sort of, Toyota’s resell well because they’re good and reliable cars, hence deserving of the praise
@@saintpoli6800 you said that a 2007 Camry with almost 170k miles is a $9k car. And you said that it should be a $3k car. It should be a $3k car not some $9k car. That should be a Camry with less then 100k miles
@@yungboicontigo9278
I meant it’s being sold for $9k
at this rate the Miata is gonna go for 70k
noooooooooooooooooooo
Not the Miat!!!!
I remember when it was like 1-2k used in decent condition a few years ago now I see them going for crazy prices
Even 35k-40k for a miata is way too much
@Random_Car_Guy I've seen manual NAs going for almost 20 grand
@@BladedAngel MIAT????????
Ye... its sad to see because I got into JDM because they were "affordable" dream cars. I say affordable in quotes because over the past decade that has changed dramatically. Good thing I bought my Evo before the market changed for the worse. Now my car has actually appreciated in value so thats pretty good I guess.
Yeah, it's a shame I missed my own mark. There's still a chance, but they seem to thin out every day...
Left all of the Facebook Evo groups once I saw clapped out evos asking for 30k. No more Evo for me!
Hope market crashes happen again.
an old neighbour of mine kept his evo 7 despite being bombarded by offers.
he bought it stock from a friend of him . occasionally see his son drive it around town.
I can't get my dream car becuase I missed the time to get it now its overpriced
Can't wait for the S2k to climb after the 123 mile one sold for 200k
Dude that’s actually so depressing I actually dreamed of owning that car one day but like you said prices are gonna shoot up for sure. And me two years ago thought I could get one for the price of a brz rip 😢
That's too much for a Honda, They aren't even a 25 year old classic yet. Plus they were a dime a dozen in the 2000's, they made over 66k of them in a 10 year window in the US. alone. They made more than 110k world wide.
@@dalethgill9977 it did belong to some celebrity guy it was also a cr version but the logic will eventually get applied after another one gets sold for to much
40k club here yall come
How about a 5K mile S2K sold for 1.2 Million?
I'm sad to admit this is even effective for kei cars, I'm struggling to find a cheap and decent cappuccino now
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Honestly. All last year I was saving up for a Beat that ended up doubling in price. I didn’t think people would be clambering to get them here
When I was living in Japan 5 years ago, I bought a Cappuccino for 2,5k. It was rough, but a cappu the same condition now goes for 6k. The good ones even around 10-15k 😭
Best to get S660 for alternative decent kei car. I have my eyes set on 7 speed Cervo SR since playing GT5.
Every day, the amount of time between saying "Time to buy a Supra and make it a Lambo destroyer!" and saying "I think I could've saved money just buying a Lambo" shrinks further.
If people gonna drop $300k on a TOYOTA then they should spend all of that by getting a Huracan or Ferrari 458. Those 2 cars looks and sound better then Supra’s or any jdm car
@@yungboicontigo9278 Yeah, it defeats the purpose of JDM as "cheap performance" if they cost as much as supercars
@@rodriguezracer4567 now muscle cars are the new cheap performance. You could get a late S197 Mustang GT for like $20k and an early S550 Mustang GT like around the same price to $25k. And speaking about cheap performance, Hellcats and GT500s have more hp then most supercars, and their MSRP is less then $100k without markups. And these overrated JDM cars are more then those 700hp+ muscle cars that costs less then 6 figures. Let that sink in
@@yungboicontigo9278 Exactly....I saw a a video of the Mustang G.T with the 5.0 while stock, going around the Nuburgring ...I thought to myself "what is the point of paying too much for a Ferrari when I can get this?" Lmao
Check the video out by the way
I love JDM cars, but I've stopped caring about a lot of them because they're aging and getting way too expensive. I got a Miata recently but that's because I found it for a fair price. People go way too crazy and spend all their money and more on cars which is just dumb
I also agree with you and I also got a Miata recently
I miata here costs 7-10k
@@rallipete I got mine for 6k and it's in very clean shape and in a rare colour, I was lucky and got it quite far below market value
@@ericsson_motorsports ah, cool. I live in scandinavia so a miata/mk5 is really rare
@@rallipete I live in Sweden lol
I would much rather have a new Mk5 over MK4💀 I will take that nice ass interior over that bland 90s interior any day
same
and they are faster,more comfortable and better handling cars too
@@sk1dzzz608 plus it's coming in manual😩. I gotta start saving from now.
@@sk1dzzz608 The ONLY thing I wish is that the MK5 A90 had rear seats, as a "GT" version.
However, I would still get the MK5 A90 anyways
Am I the only one who thinks that the mk5 supra looks better than the mk4
@@romaniancountryball9373 Nah,I do too
You know that when freaking Toyota rav 4s are going at 70 grand that even new cars are crazy
People will literally go to such extreme limits to get it NOW. I have never understood why so many people just so happen to need a car so bad that it's worth paying 2x the value to have today. Credit is so predatory and it blows my mind how little people care about finances if they can borrow the money.
@@MiDLiFECRYSiS nobody has patience. It’s either now or never and these same people probably have a credit score of around 400.
For new car guys who want a fun car.
Want a silvia ? Get a e46/36
Want a supra ? Get a mustang v8
Want a miata ? Get a solstice/sky/gt/vxr8
Want a rx7 ? Get an rx8
Want a quirky japenese 4x4 van ? Get an aztek or a scenic 4x4
Want a 1st gen nsx ? get a 2nd nsk or a corvette
Want a skyline ? Get a g35 it is litterally a skyline.
Imma keep holdin my money for the mitsubishi galant vr4 from 1995 thank you very much
You just have to hope ideal media, donut media or Doug demuro won't make a video about it in time for you to get one
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS fr lmao. Those VR4s are affordable compared to Evos these days. Thats for sure.
A decade ago when turbo mk4 supras were going for 30k, Nowadays the non turbo automatic models are going for that price range.
SO glad i live where i do, twinturbo MK4 supras are still in the 30-40 grand range with some around 20 in less than stellar shape. R34 is also in that range and R33 is about 10-20K range. RX 7 is in the 10-30K range as well.
hope that doesn't change soon.
The only solution to not give in to the hype and pay the “fanboy-tax” for these old cars is to buy new cars.
Think about it, whats there to lose nowadays when there’s a JDM renaissance happening? Buy a new Supra, Integra, 400Z, GR Corolla, Type R, Miata etc and watch those prices come down.
Or if you still want cheap fun buy the less desired jdm cars thats under the radar like a FRS, IS300, G35/37, Sentra SE-R, Matrix/Corolla XRS, TL Type S, CRZ, MazdaSpeed3, Lancer Ralliart, WRX etc
Shh. They'll hear you.
fuuuckkk tl type s is what i really want right now but my area is dry. only a chick selling a 03 tl type s with the shitty grenading auto transmission for 3.5k. still some bullshit going around for the underrated cars. same for wrx's, seen a couple people admit that the transmissions toast and yet sell their mismatched painted wrx's for at least 5k FIRM. hopefully these dumbasses come to their senses.
JDM fanboys be like: TAKE NOTE GUYS
I'm surprised the Mazda 323's haven't gone up. Aftermarket support for them is garbage unless you have the GTX, but they are still a very simple in my opinion "hot hatch"
Yes, but the new cars *aren't* the old - classic cars...
They also for the most part, don't look as good.
thank god people dont know much about the mk3 supra theres still hope for me to own one one day
Yep somehow the older Supra generations didn’t get hyped that much and it kept the prices kinda low.
@@GrillerRohde the biggest reason why the mk4 is where its at is because of fast n furious
Seeing some of these car prices legit hurts, especially when you know what they used to go for.
JDM cars are probably the worst offenders (Supra, NSX, etc.), but even thinking about the former low budget heroes like Crown Vic makes me sad.
Crown Vic used to be the one car you can afford even when you're down bad and know that it won't die on you and will provide you with a ride and if need be a place to sleep.
Now it's cost prohibited to people who were needing it the most. There are loads of cheap cars, but there ain't a lot of cheap and reliable, dependable cars...
I still see a lot of grand Marquis sub 4k and they tend to be pretty low mileage for their age and well taken care of by old people. Anymore you don't really get cars much cheaper than that unless they are beat.
Crown Vic definitely an excellent starter V8. It got cheap in the past because cops pushed them a lot from pursuits and got a lot of abuse
The JDM price inflation is pretty much a repeat of what happened with 60s/70s muscle cars and 911s. They drop to reasonable prices for a few decades as used cars, but then things skyrocket due to hype and a limited number of good ones left on the road.
And that is why restoration shops exist.
I’m happy that I was able to buy my dream car, though some may laugh, a 1994 Mustang Gt with only 19,000 miles on it for $6000. I talked them down from $9000 back in 2017. I love the fact that it’s a sleeper, with a coyote swap, and vortech. I literally did the whole swap for cheaper than a brand new high trim GT. I’m glad the Foxbody tax hadn’t hit the SN95’s yet. I love the car, and the fact that it didn’t cost me an arm and a leg. I cherish my car and the work I’ve put into it, I feel for the JDM car guys.
I'm honestly happy I like more unique cars. I love Toronados and ElDorados. The old FWD TH425 cars. There's something about land yachts. Especially those old FWD ones. They feel different from any other vehicle I've been in.
I can agree. My dream classic is an AMC Gremlin with the 258CI AMC Straight 6 and my current project car is a 1988 Pontiac Fiero. I was never a fan of the mk4 supras or the GTR lineup.
@@AdamSchell303Racing I love AMCs. Fieros are fun. Just make sure you do the suspension ASAP. They like to break lose on quick turns.
@@crazycoffee I am doing a full rebuild on that car with better anti roll bars and new shocks and springs. I'm also doing a carburetor setup on the GM 2.8 V6. I'm not shooting for lots of power, I would be fine with 140BHP what I'm after is a fun light car that like corners and is nice and loud.
I don't see any of these cars getting expensive ever. Almost no one likes them, and the ones who do are well over 50 years old.
@@marciliojunior4919 I got my 68 Toronado for 1500. Best decision i made. Im sad more people dont like them. But at the same time im happy no one does lol
Everyone hate the new Supra for no reason. When the Supra A80 MK4 wasn't the only Supra(there were other Supras before the MK4 A80 , and those didn't have 2JZ engines), and wasn't well liked by the masses in the 1990s. Hence: Poor sales(of the A80) throughout the 1990s to very early 2000s while it was in dealerships.
Actually there is a reason: The New supra its LITERALLY a BMW z4 but more expensive and with less Hp, Toyota got trolled by BMW
@@DEJgamer not anymore.
@@DEJgamer BMW made the chassis, literally everything else toyota had a say in, they weren't trolled they approved how the car was. It really doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
@@DEJgamer bruh are you out of your mind? This is 2022! EMISSIONS thr car has to use less gas and emit less co2 ...and no it NEVER looks like a bmw and Im actually happy bmw made the engine they are the best at making inline 6 engines.
i mean i don't hate it... but it's not the prettiest supra, and automatic transmission kinda kill any interest i would have with.
Great points about the Supra. I’m just gonna stick with my paid off F-150 until prices even out a little, which will probably be a decade from now. If my truck goes down, then I’m getting a used Corolla. Hell I’ll just get a 150 cc grom bike. Lol One day I’ll be able to afford a newer model Honda Accord. 😂
Porsche macan
When I was a teenager I was a JDM fan boy but over time I grew up to realize that a Nissan Skyline or a Toyota Supra is not worth 100,000 yes they are legends but that's outrageous for a car. I grew up and started to like other cars and i'm currently driving a modern dodge charger that I've been enjoying the past 6 months I've had it
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and old muscle cars and every other europe and italian are okay to have high price? do you forget that skyline gtr beat all of the competition back in the day, and so did nsx,rx7,supra? sometimes people forget how great these cars was for the time they came out, just because they put affordable prices when they were new doesnt mean it will always be like that forever. supply and demand exist too and i agree with the video that hype play a role too, but even without hype, they still gonna go up in value. and yes it sucks.
The volvo 850 R BTCC wagon was also a monster back in the day, You can still get a AWD T5 with 200-250hp for cheap, not japanese tho.
but it has the legend status :D
It has to be a V8 Charger right? If it’s a V6 then it’s not a muscle car…
@@yungboicontigo9278 sadly because of my age it’s financially smart to stick with the v6 because insurance prices are horrible until I turn 25 but I do eventually want to boosted it to make it a sleeper
I've been watching the Skyline market since day 1 of US legality all the way back in 2015.
What the market has become now is not what I ever could've imagined. I expected growth in value within the JDM market but not to the extent to which we see today.
Back when they were still new I was content that while I was behind on having enough spare cash to afford my dream R32 GTR, the usual range of $20k to $28k tops if it was moderately to highly modified seemed just fine to work with given the age and mileage of many of these cars.
Now I've been basically priced out of the market I've put 7yrs into researching and learning about and by the time I've got the spare cash up front to meet the new market demand, I may already be priced out of it again as there's only so many of these cars to go around at the end of the day.
Worst we nearly saw JDM scene wise (happened this past week) was a MKIV Supra up on BaT that did get withdrawn in the final days of auction after people dug up the JP Auction records and found that someone rolled back the odometer ~170,000kms. BaT did withdraw it but even that Supra in a poor state of care for the rust on it still pulled nearly $50k in bids with no reserve (and possibly could've ended sale higher than where it was stopped before being withdrawn).
Me in Canada lol
@@BlackonBlackE46 Funnily enough, early on when prices started to climb, the Canadian market was always lagging behind so that's where I was trying to make deals happen but sooner or later the Canadian market catches back up and there's not as many big importers doing Canada to US options (and I'm not going to deal with Kijiji private sales lol).
@@Stormkrasher lol, my friend here bought a 300zx twin turbo for 10k cad. He did have to put some work in but not a whole lot
I've been watching the Skyline market since I was in college in 2010
in several SEA countries market, at that time the used price was between 50k USD - 75k USD. Not cheap and same price as brand new from dealer in Japan since some of SEA countries has huge import tax tariff. But it was 50k - 75k, not even near 100k USD so it's still manageable
Now ?? Literally last week there's an ads for 1999 Skyline GT-R V-Spec R34 and owner was asking 600k USD, and that's non-Nur version. Also last year, there's a Skyline GT-R Z-Tune R34 (Thailand) sold to new owners, rumour that it was sold between 1.5 - 2 mil USD. So IF the rumour of the price sold was true then it's 10 x of the original brand new price
I think at this time, buying used Ferrari 458 might be the cheaper option since it cost 350k - 500k depend on condition
I agree with bladed.. Nice vid my man.. Am waiting to see the Mustang back in action, We all wanna see some mods on it.. But am still sad abt the old blue ZO6, but gives me some nostalgia when I see it in yellow now.. I start to remember the 1st vid abt the corvette...
Over-Hyping can literally destroy anything.
There are lots of examples, BF2042 and CP2077 are two.
Overhyped during development, devs cracked from the pressure and released way too early, both games were full of bugs and glitches because of that.
Dont get me started, I got in to wristwatches in early highschool and at the time vintage JDM Seiko chronographs were like a 100$ a pop. 5 years of hype later they are 5 to 10 times as much. Sure, I can afford it but for all thats worth I could also just save up just a tiny but more and buy an Omega or something.
@@luchadorito God tier Casio is safe from these hype thingy.
@@bmw3-er based
Devs didn't release it early. Publishers made them release it early. There's a difference.
@@NickTronic96 Hm
The point is they were released way too early.
Halo infinite delays were good, devs took their time. But apparently it somehow still sucks?
I never thought I'd live to see the day where I'd stand a better chance of buying a used Lamborghini Gallardo than a used MKIV Supra...
I remember wanting to buy an s2k for my first car since they were going for like 7k but my Parents said no bc it was an old ass car, now for my second car about 3 or 4 years later they are selling for triple and I’ll most likely never afford one because they’ll keep increasing in value
7K for an S2K? Honestly I have never seen one for that low like ever that's not a shell with salvage, rebuilt title. I got my for 13K w/ 90K miles, clean title, with about 8K in mods on the car already. I think I got a good deal.
Don’t let it discourage you. I got an S2K in December for 15k. 122k miles, still high mile but she ran like a dream. Keep looking bro. You’ll get an S2K. They’re a dream to own and drive.
I'm keeping my s2000 until I die. I didn't buy it for other people's approval or I would have gotten a z4 or a boxer.
@@dennischen8887 I used to see plenty under 15k and were mostly just stock... but that was in 2019.
Back in 2019 i had a chance to buy a red s2k running and driving for 8k and all it needed was a paint job, the original paint was faded.. other then that it was mainly stock.. i did not buy it and regret it now.. those cars have gone up so high is not even funny and they will continue to go up..
I've found myself slowly drifting away from cars and more into bikes. I'll always love cars but the prices are gettin more unreasonable
Bikes are also a lot more fun! At least to me =\
Same dude great idea
That video was so good that I now want to mod a Mk5 to high hell.
If I am not wrong, there are already kits for up to 800hp. Get the manual transmission for fun and it is still probably going to be cheaper than the MK4.
@@georgeb5262 At some point, it will cost less to obtain a turbo manual Mk5 than a non-turbo automatic Mk4
Especially with the manual coming out, I’d rather have a mk5 supra than a mk4 supra. In person the mk5 is a lot more smaller and more of a sports car compared to a mk4 supra.
Agreed, unpopular opinion: Mk5 is way better shaped than Mk4, doesn't care if it has B58
the mk5 looks like a fuckin fighter jet i love it
Nostalgia hit hard Mk4 supra lovers. The 5 looks like the next level agressiveness that the 4 lacked. I mean even the front is almost the 4 but pointier.
Yeah the MK4 is a grand tourer with a bulletproof engine.
The A90 Supra design pays homage to the Toyota 2000 GT. But A80 Supra fan boys only think of 2JZ and the looks of that supra, like Toyota didn't have older Supra or sports cars like the 2000 GT before it.
I looked into how much my AE86 is selling for nowadays and found out I now own a savings account I never knew I had.
As any dorito lover I would love to own an FD. But since I can't afford an FD, I went for the RX8 instead. Cost me $1000 and the only thing wrong with it was the fuel pump, and it's still a great car!
thats me. couldnt find a decent 350z, so i went for the g35 sedan instead. my sister's bf took that thing to the morgue. so im getting a z32 or a c4 instead
THat's what my friend said a few years ago as well.
WHen you have 30K to spend on an RX7, use a few grand to buy an RX8. then you have plenty of money left to make it as reliable as can be.
Have fun buying a new dorito engine every 65k
@@NeonAstralOfficial funny enough when I bought it I thought the engine needed a rebuild and was gonna use it to learn how to rebuild them.
@@islef I heard those RX8s were dog slow, but I always liked how they looked lol.
Doug DeMuro is one of my favorite car channels. Love his reviews, humor and his personality, but I can’t stand him getting excited over used cars rising in value. Maybe because he’s the founder of a car auctions site called Cars and Bids, but Doug is responsible for making cool cheap cars more unaffordable day by day. I’m tired of him praising cars that brings “big money” even though the buyer probably think twice before spending it all, but also praising the seller for well, selling their car solely because of money. People who see cars as an “investment” is absolutely stupid, and I’m fed up with it. And also talking about his stupid auction site, he rewards flippers, another group of sellers that I hate more. I’ve seen countless Hummer EV’s, Rivians, C8 Corvettes, Broncos, or other new cars being sold THIS EARLY after purchasing it. If they ordered a Rivian or the Hummer, then keep it, they literally ordered it and now selling it after like a month owning it solely because of money. Like why tf would you spend more then $250k on a truck? Ordering it and being patient for it to deliver to you is worth more then $250k. It’s literally cheaper then spending $250k on an electric truck. Nothing upsets me more then flippers and people getting excited over cars that they’ll never afford. Doug defended these stupid flippers and their stupid behaviors many times, and it really upsets me.
I love Doug as a UA-camr. I think that he is a good reviewer because I love his humor. But him and his viewers are a problem. They literally get excited over cars rising in value that they will never ever buy. Doug recently said that he will never spend like $100k on a Rivian or $250k on a Hummer EV, but still he gets excited when car values skyrocket, and rewards these silly flippers trying to make a profit in a terrible way. I hope people wake up one day realizing that getting excited over cars they’ll never ever afford is a stupid stupid idea.
One of the main reasons I stopped watching him was his bugman attitude like what you're describing. It makes me envious and I hate feeling that way towards cars because I've grown up loving them as a hobby.
God this video is just so true and it's upsetting but I am glad you made it. I've been one of the biggest JDM fanboys I've seen in my personal life. And I would never under ANY circumstances spend 6 figures on a JDM legend that's 10,20,30+ years old.
JDM fans are now joining the supercar fans in the "My dream car costs 6 figures" club
could you say the same for old italian,german,and muscle cars too? they are also expensive 😅
Crack cocaine is cheaper than a Supra
What about model version
I absoulyely love bladed angel vids. All of them should be seen by all car enthusiasts * and 12 year olds who have no knowledge about cars besides fart and furious *
This man is the voice of us.
Ha! I *also* have Gran Turismo, so I know twice as much! (j/k)
This is the most passionate and real I’ve heard bladed angle and I love it. Man is spitting facts out of his mind destroying arguments made by these fanboys. I love the passion bro, keep it up.
A 2013 STI tangerine edition just sold for 49k in MA. I stopped to look at it because I would love to own an orange Subaru but it had so many imperfections. Decent sized dents all over it, an aftermarket gauge was drilled into the dash and the rear end of the car had been resprayed. They said it wasn’t but you can obviously see the paint fade was done terribly and there was overspray on the exhaust that was also not stock. It was missing some interior bits too… car sold for 49 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
just got my license. I need to come here and say, bladed you're one of the few content creator that got me into cars
ngl that 2 years of waiting feels forever
I feel like no one gets these for crazy horsepower anymore. They just want to restore them to their original beauty. Every era has that phase of wanting a piece of history. These are diamonds in the rough for people and every year they’re only going to get crashed or ruined and supply will diminish. Too much demand not enough supply.
I personally love Japanese sports cars. I have loved them for all my life. But the hype around them right now is just absurd. 20k for a beaten, 260,000km, non SR20 200SX is absolutely insane. The same goes for all the other JDM's, they've more than doubled their price since the early 2010's. One ridiculous example is the old gen Toyota Corolla TS. 192hp with an unreliable engine (2ZZ) and they are unreliable and prone to oil leaks and other engine problems (the Celica TS has the same problem and same engine). You could buy a decent one for about 2.5k euro back in 2018, which was fair considering the amount of problems the car could give. Now there are dealers and hypeboys selling them for, I wish I was making this up, 10,000 EURO with over 250,000km. I really hope that some sense gets knocked into these people that sell these old beauties for such absurd prices. The only thing I can recommend is simply not buying them and ignoring the offers for more than the cars worth, especiallyif it's in bad condition. If more car enthusiasts do this, the hypeboys and dealers will eventually realise that they will never sell them until they lower the price.
This is why you are one of my favorite car channels. No bullshit, straight talk about the hard truth the jdm community doesn't really want to acknowledge - the hero cars have become the villains
I love how this Guy gets straigh to the point ,and explains everything clearly and also makes it interesting to learn and listen to,i watch him ,to find smth interesting to listen to and learn something new
remember when JDM cars used to be affordable now you need to pay 40 to upwards of 100k for some 80s-90s beat-up cars its ridiculous
I remember going to a used car dealership a twin turbo auto trans Supra was higher price then a high end performance mustang and I was shocked
I love you I always come back year after year to listen to what you have to say because you're smart AF bro 💯 Congratulations 👏
I agree with your view 100%
Also social media has escalated the situation because most wouldnt have had a clue about alot of jdm stuff untill it all became widely shown over social media.
When i was a child i was brought up around classic cars and cars as a thing became my hobby. When all my mates hadnt got the foggiest clue about any of it but now that its all over the Internet all those that would have wanted to play footie (soccer in us) now think they know everything about anything automotive and that is what slowly made me start to hate on the hobby because they just waltzed in here playing the know it all so it ruined it for me.
I would rather buy the gr Yaris than a mk4 Supra. Way cooler and cheaper
Agree. The Yaris is an amazing car. At this point, I think the even the MK5 Supra is becoming better than the old one. They have already started to sell a manual transmission for it and the engine can be tuned up to 800 hp. Sure, it is from BMW, but after all, it's a good engine. And the price is somewhat good. If you want to modificate the car, you can make the fake vents real really fast. So yeah.
For as much hate people gave the MK5, at a recent cars and coffee, there were more MK5’s than both MK4’s and BMW M’s. More people checking them out too.
The mk5 is a better car I am not a fan of how it looks but it’s not like the mk4 was a beauty. The Supra hype comes from fnf franchise which arguably damaged the “car scene”
Buy the gr Corolla instead
@@marmedalmond9958 we don’t get that here, plus the Yaris is much cooler
my dad bought a bmw e30 around when i was born so i've known about them my whole life. now 325is 5 speed coupes like that are $30000 cars just because some rappers own them. my dad paid $3500 for the car. he still has it 20 years later but i'm not sure i want one myself anymore. maybe i'm just a hipster but i often find myself thinking hype ruins things
Bro spitting facts. Thanks for the video. Definitely had to subscribe
I remember leaving school and silvias being £5k cars, people we're already complaining about the prices then! They'd owned skylines and supras for under £5k. I never got onto owning one because the insurance was just so expensive at the time. Now, i can afford the insurance but the cars are gone in the wind. Really feel like ive totally missed the train
I agreed with pretty much everything you said. Car enthusiasts are their absolute worst enemy.
Car enthusiasts: "Buying a new car is a rip off because of depreciation bro"
also car enthusiasts: buys a JDM sports car designed to be *affordable* and fun at 2x, 3x, 4x, or more their original MSRP.
once again car enthusiasts: buys a poorly maintained 3 year old sports car with 60,000 miles at 95% of MSRP, "aT LeASt I dIdn'T PaY fOR aLL of thAt DepReciAtIOn"
If you can't tell I hate car enthusiasts so much despite being one. I understand buying an "enthusiast" car isn't always the most rational decision but there's a difference between spending a little extra for something you're passionate about and financially ruining yourself on some old ass car.
I hate to say it, I am probably one of those outlier people. but its because I come from a country where even with the worst exchange rate possible, it costs $350k USD to purchase an AE86, not inclusive of taxes and all the fees that follow, cars are just so expensive that everywhere else seems relatively cheap, this is not just for the AE86, an FD RX7 is $560K+ , heck priuses are like 80K+
The only place i know where prices are like that is signapore
Which country? I feel bad for you guys.
@@nashidaperv2351 haha yep, I am from Singapore but am studying in the states
that's very high fanbois tax in SEA countries
I saw several used Gallardo and F430 with COE even almost half the price of Skyline GT-R R34 at SG used car
same with other SEA countries
watching this while owning a car with 150 wheel hp that I paid 1500 for... Love your videos dude keep up the good work!
I think many of you are forgetting how much the MK4 supra, 300ZX, 3000GT and RX-7 cost when they were sold new in the 90’s. They were all minimum 40K USD. The MK4 Supra Turbo was a 50K car when sold new in the 90’s. Adjusted for inflation this would be about 100k in 2022 money. These cars were never affordable when new.
That’s the thing: they aren’t new, and we’ve seen the prices of them rise up many hundred %
This is gonna shock everybody but, MK4 SUPRAS ARENT JDM, neither are miatas, they were sold all over the world, JDM are cars that were ONLY sold in Japan.
The b58 is so great. You should make a video about the engine and Toyota and bmw.
Thank u my guy as soon as donut start talking about a car people start overcharging
Love this informative video. One question, how can you tell the car is constanly trading hands meaning ot os been abused many times?
This is why I have the new gen wrx. Nobody wanted to sell their older wrx's for what they were actually worth.
So glad I got my 2022 Kia Stinger GT for under MSRP lol
Lucky, I'm struggling to find an Elantra N for MSRP
Seriously man I got my Gt not Gt 1 Gt 2018 when it came out Kia instantly gave me a rebate of $7,500 off plus my trade in . Than I have it in sunset yellow which had the paint issue Kia paid me another $5,000 to apologize and they repainted my car
@@robertb6135 Nice!. Yeah I really wanted sunset yellow, but they stopped making it after the 2018 model year. I was torn between Ascot Green and Ceramic Silver.
I wanted Ascot Green with beige interior, but they cancelled it before ever making it. So I went with Ceramic Silver with red leather.
@@nigerianprince4017 I'm sorry to hear that, I am very thankful that I got it last June, which is right before car prices really started sky rocketing.
Lol kia stinger. Fake vents. Slow as hell.
I can’t agree with you more . People are insane . I was just thinking about some of the stuff you said few months ago and I was like “ how is no one talking about this ?”
This video hit the nail on the head. Great video!
My whole thought is that there's no problem with liking a car that's the predecessor to many newer cars or just not being made anymore. My dream car, for example, is an Rx-7 Spirit R. But aint no way am I spending 50K for one, fuck no. But I still understand that it requires insane maintenance to be reliable unlike most other cars in existance.
Yep. Better buy a RX-8. It is still going to be unrelatable, but it would be better than a RX-7.
my dream car is ferrari 458 and i wont spend 500k or whatever the price is rn for it fuck no 😂. bro you forget that rx7 your dream car discontinued, why are you whining for it to be expensive? ofcourse it will, supply and demand! and hype too i guess 😂
@@i8i03muhammadfarizb7 What I’m saying is that an rx7 should cost 50k, 20k to 25k is semi reasonable swing as how it’s a 20 year old car. I don’t care that it’s discontinued, I just really like the car
@@Jackson_Thomas these jdm cars especially the top tier ones are almost classic/collectible cars, a spirit R is a top trim later model iirc, those wont go for 20k even 50k, 80-90k minimum maybe, later model nsx goes to 100k+ s2k CR 90-100k. if you want the cheaper just go for the base model maybe you would find one, or do a barn find and restore one
Barn find is probably the best option, found a White FC the other day for 2700 dollars in need of some serious work. But the FC is my dream car so that would be my option, an already built one is about 20K here and jpn imports is far more expensive nowdays.
I’m really just chilling with my civic till gas and prices overall improve
Ive been keeping tabs every now and then on the listings in my price range in my area over the last 5 years. Its funny seeing the effects of the hype tax. WRX came and went. Then is300, then integras, then preludes. People are just settling for worse and worse stuff. Now i could sell my 03 corolla shit box with 200k miles for 3-4k and nobody would think anything of it.
FACTS, i thought i was the only one who thought buying a brand new supra made wayy more sense. ontop of all the reasons you said, the new supra is a suppperrrr good daily driver! hatch back for grocerys, navigation, all the new bells and whistles of a modern car. great video man
I'm turning 17 next month and I've been planning to buy a Good NA miata since I was 13. But now with the car being stupidly overpriced I can't get my hands on a good one for a good price because some cringy JDM fanboys started to pay attention to it
Hey you do have a point though I love old jdm but those prices are ridiculous
Thanks for doing this vid!
you make a good point about the car becoming someones life. ive seen a good few dudes drop 50k+ on some clapped out car, then show it off everywhere and only talk about it, then drive back to their rented one bed hovel.
7:30 you are wrong here, the b58 is much more durable than the 2jz, and can get the same power figures with much less cash spent into it
What's crazy is that I own a E36 as of 2022 and I'm fortunate enough to have one. But if the day came for me to sell it, it would be for a fair price and not some made up price that's unrealistic. This is why I have a love for oddball euro cars like Volvo, Saab, European Diesel cars, etc. Even some oddball American and Australian cars.
I don't hate JDM cars but I cant look at them the same way as what they used to be a decade or more ago.
Solid video, Bladed.
In sri lanka,they go for 25k
@@marmedalmond9958 unmodified or modified?
@@auto_kevin9731 either way. And this was before hyperinflation and import ban and an economic crisis
@@marmedalmond9958 that makes no sense. They should not cost that much. It's a 25+ year old car. The market is slightly different in every country but even so, it makes no sense.
@@auto_kevin9731 we have hyperinflation, import ban and an economic crisis. Peoole have to wait for a whole day to get gas. And it is going up every 7 dollars.
7:05 "You live long enough to see yourself become the villain" I Instantly thought of this and i'm very saddened by the prices of classic jdm cars now
Blame Doug demuro for this. He’s responsible for artificially inflating the car market with his stupid cars and piss auction site
Bladed is not the hero we deserved but definitely the one many people need
Thank you! Thank you for saying this and hope this common sense argument seeps into the minds of fanboys out there. A modern Toyota 86 will be a much better investment than a 30 year old Skyline. Be smart with your money. As a starter car, invest in something that you will get a joy out of for a lot longer than a cost inflated beater that you are going to have to spend more time and money on.
My favorite thing to look at with this is in the iconic fast and furious scene where the ferrari and the supra line up to race that ferrari costs less then the supra now
I've been driving a 1992 NSX for 16 years now, I bought it in 2006 for $1,200. it only had 200 miles on it. I've heard people call it a supercar, I just bought it because my Honda Del Sol broke, and I was broke. I'm sad that many people won't get to experience classic Japanese sports cars.
I can say r33 gtr prices are decent. been staying around the 50-lower 60k but I'm just gonna stick with getting a germen then a japanse. At least I get the luxary and can make as good of power with a mk5 supra or even a M4 from 2015
There's a guy in TN trying to sell one for 80k+ on FB so yeah.
@@ThatGuyy-lq1lm 7 or so years ago I saw a r34 m spec selling for 60k, can’t imagine what it’s worth now
The Mk 5 Supra is a better car than the Mk 4.
Also what better way to prove that the market is fucked by the fact that right now my family could sell our old CVT equipped 88,000 km 2012 Altima 2.5SL that we've owned since late 2012 for close to $10,000 CAD.
It is so weird some people still think that the jdm culture is about the 6 figure supras and skylines... But at least you can clearly tell the difference in the heads if someone shows up with a mk4 supra/gtr or with a brz/gt86/gr86/miata/mx-5...
holy shit, I can't agree with those points more. Way to go dude, you just got a new subscriber!
At this point I'm just gonna abandon my dream of getting an r32
You can get one, just not a gtr. But if you're good at building cars you can still afford an r32 gte and turn it into a gtst
Honestly i feel like r32s are still SOMEwhat reasonable they arent the r34 gtr prices they are half that.
@@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS Still mad how much these cars sky rocketed in prices
Honestly the Skyline GTRs have already doubled in price as soon as they became legal in the USA. Americans never had a chance. Unless you were the few who bought them several years before the 25 year rule. But then you had to fork over expensive storage fees for years plus the full price of the car to some dealer in Japan and not even legally own the car until several years later when they become import legal which is quite risky for most. Although, I regret not buying an R34 GTR in like 2018 when they were still 70K. But 5 or more years not having possession of the car put me off.
@@HazyNature Yeah. Soon it'll be more realistic to try to afford a Ferrari or a Lamborghini over a Skyline or even a Miata...