Nice vid, thank you. But I noticed that you trimmed off the thinned part of the rope before burying the tail of the locked brummel - I don’t recommend doing this in future. I admit that I am certainly not an expert on this but, from what I’ve seen and read, the tapering of the buried end prevents weakness in the outer rope (sheath): a bury which comes to a sudden stop can create stresses in the outer rope (sheath), while a tapering allows the stresses at this point to spread out more. However, for a whoopie sling, holding one person, it almost certainly doesn’t matter (and 1/8” is almost going to be overkill for hammocking anyway). But in other projects, if you’re using 7/64”, best to avoid a weakspot. Love your tutorials. I’m only sharing what I’ve heard in the hanging community because I hope it helps.
That’s a great point. After you’ve done the bury and before you milk it back inside, you should taper by cutting a set of 2 adjacent threads as close as possible to where it comes out, then skip 2 rows, cut 2 more, skip 2 rows and cut 2 more. That will give you 6 out out of the 12 tapered nicely then I just cut the bottom 6 at an angle to smooth that out more before milking it back inside. As you mentioned, it is in fact structural as in break tests it will frequently pop at that ridge if not tapered correctly. Also I usually bury at LEAST 2 fid lengths (a fid is usually 30x the diameter of the line) which with 1/8” would be about 7 1/2”.
Thanks Bruce, With all your DIY video's I am aquiring a nice little library of usefull information. Just picked up a old White 765 sewing machine and am going to find someone to show me how to use it. With that and your video's I think I will have a great start. Keep up the great work I really enjoy and appreciate your efforts.
That is great Perry. Start of real easy and take things slow, I do. I don't do everything perfect either, even though I would like to. If you need anything let me know.
we buy 3/16 amsteel atv winch lines and make our whoopie slings and ridge lines from them ... im 230 and my 75lb dog sleeps in the hammok too ... so we need strong stuff LOL
Thanks for the video Bruce! I upgraded from the 7/64 amsteel also, just for my piece of mind in the safety aspect of it all, Don't want any broken hips on the trails! lol
The 7/16" is over 1000lb. Eno Straps are only rateded at 150lb, Dutchware's are 400lb for their tree straps. Most carabinres that come with hammocks are only 400lb. So is 1000lb good it ist GREAT. Though I want to make some 1/8" just for the fun of it. I have the Air hammock and find the supplied quasi whoopie slings fidilly. So thanks
They are the best. Mine is sleeping at my feet right now. If you do want a shirt I have them here shop.spreadshirt.com/naturecalls/black+labs+matter?idea=5b99944d1cbf3a600bcdc5b2
Nice video. Easy to follow! As I have Amsteel laying around; I’m definitely going to try making my own whoopie slings now. Thanks 🙏 for sharing. Just subbed your channel.
Great tutorial Bruce. Thanks for the info on 1/8 amsteel versus 7/64. As far as weight goes, I think that is so minimal of a difference that it really would not be noticeable at all..but I know some are more into counting ounces then I am at this time. Thanks for this very informative Video!
Great video, thank you. For the wire hook, I doubled my wire so that the hook wasn't a loose sharp end. It was the only detail on your video that my experience was off on. My wire kept getting caught and really messed up the line. I ended up cutting it and once I made a long wire with the fold in the middle it worked great. My project if you are interested is a 11' Moroccan blue 1.0 Hyper D hammock with 1/8" grey Amsteel whoopie slings. I have some camo tree straps to tie it all together. This should be light and a great addition to my kit. I have a Warbonnet Blackbird and its great, but as more friends get interested in backpacking, it's great to explore equipment and have doubles of things to bring friends along. I think I may also build an adjustable ridgeline out of 7/64" Aamsteel. Look forward to your future videos.
Very good idea Ryan. I have been slowly going through the wires I have, but it makes perfect sense to have it longer. Then I might stop losing them too. I think there are about nine under my couch. Moroccan blue sounds awesome for a hammock. I was thinking of a hex tarp in that color. Will end up an awesome hammock for sure and you will soon be building them for all your friends I would think. I am sitting here right now with a bunch of 1/8 and just strung up my very first hammock I made out in the lab, thinking about doing a 1/8 fixed ridgeline for it, putting on the 1/8 whoopies I made and doing carabiners for all the connections. I think it would be pretty industructable and almost no wear points. That is what I used my REI 20% off on....6 carabiners. Kept me from spending too much money on a tent or something. Time to revive the UA-cam channel. Are you a musician?
Great idea on the REI carabiners purchase. I grabbed a second head lamp. As far as my channel goes, this is my personal account that I use for website administration. I design and build websites so I need to access webmaster tools. I wanted my comments to be my actual name so I used this account. The music videos are just shows I attended. I'm not a musician, but I am a fan of live music. I can't really focus on a quality youtube channel. You have to have passion to do it right, which you clearly do. Thank you. I appreciate your time!
Gr8 vid. Following your example, I upgraded to 1/8 amsteel whoopie for my HH. Setup was simple but when weight was placed on the hammock the whoopie slipped even after multiple stretches were placed on the sleeves. Have you experienced this with 1/8 amsteel as i did? And what would you recommend to keep it from slipping? Thx
I haven't experienced that lately. When I first started making stuff like this I had that issue when I didn't have enough buried. If you can put even more in the bury the better it gets. I will go pretty far really. I could see like a 15 inch bury with the 1/8th. Zing-it size is really a lot harder to get a long bury and I have had to walk away at times when I work with it and do deep breathing exercises. Give that a try and let me know. I will also massage it, or any of the sizes with my hands in the beginning to get the grip started. It is pretty slick in the beginning. Let me know
Nature Calls Backpacking That makes perfect sense (longer bury and handling the cordage to tone down the slickness). I'll let you know how it performs. Much appreciated.
Thanks Steven. My latest tactic for my own gear is to have the whoopie and an adjustable ridgeline (big whoopie), I find the UCR slips sometimes. Then when I am happy that I have the hammock set right will make a 7/64th amsteel fixed ridgeline. But if I am making a hammock that will be used by different people I will keep the adjustable on it. The UCR makes a lot of sense for weight, but the slipping is too often for me.
Awesome. I find it super fun and addicting. Your daughter will love it too. I get some of my Amsteel from go2marine.com which is right over in Poulsbo.
Why do you feel 7/64 amsteel to weak for hammocks? Min tensil is 1400 lbs with a 4x margin for safety that is 350 lbs per line. Depending on how you are stringing your hammock you use 2-4 lines. I think 7/64 became the std because for its strength and weight is was cheapest solution.
I agree and have had not issues as yet pushing all my 7/64th Amsteel way beyond spec. Unfortunately I have viewers of these videos that will go to their grave reciting certain books and people, and if the calculator says it is too much they let me know in a lot of ways. I was curious anyway, and the weight difference to me is nominal, so why not. I love experimenting. I do have some viewers that would push the tensile and margin if they go too far with the 7/64th though and I would rather show them possibilities so they won't have that issue to worry about. But yes, 7/64 is super strong and light and perfect for most applications.
I like the feeling of the larger rope in my hands. My backpacking rig uses 200 lb. Spectra kite line for tarp guylines that make Zing-it look like mooring lines. But if I'm not carrying everything on my back I like to have a larger rope. I can carry much more gear on my bike and trailer so I use 2 mm guylines with a few 7/64th utilitiy lines and even 30' of 1/4" Spectra work rope.
Are you wrapping the tree with the Whoopie sling? That’s bad for the tree, you should be using at least a 1” strap to protect the tree. Get a longer strap and use a smaller whoopie sling.
You can’t make paracord into a whoopie: you need to have a hollow briaded rope to be able to splice it. But you could use 550 cord and tie a Farimond hitch (but you’d need to make extra wraps to hold an adult’s weight!). Not sure if paracord starts to slip when wet, either, so test it out before you risk your hips and spine to it!!!
I was just telling that to my daughter. Why the US still or ever didn't embrace metric to begin with. The best part is she is in the Navy who use knots for everything, and her brothers are Marines that use metric.
Hi Bruce. I’m from South Australia and thanks to you I have made my own whoopsie slings , adjustable structural ridge line and continuous loops.
Nice vid, thank you.
But I noticed that you trimmed off the thinned part of the rope before burying the tail of the locked brummel - I don’t recommend doing this in future.
I admit that I am certainly not an expert on this but, from what I’ve seen and read, the tapering of the buried end prevents weakness in the outer rope (sheath): a bury which comes to a sudden stop can create stresses in the outer rope (sheath), while a tapering allows the stresses at this point to spread out more.
However, for a whoopie sling, holding one person, it almost certainly doesn’t matter (and 1/8” is almost going to be overkill for hammocking anyway). But in other projects, if you’re using 7/64”, best to avoid a weakspot.
Love your tutorials. I’m only sharing what I’ve heard in the hanging community because I hope it helps.
That’s a great point. After you’ve done the bury and before you milk it back inside, you should taper by cutting a set of 2 adjacent threads as close as possible to where it comes out, then skip 2 rows, cut 2 more, skip 2 rows and cut 2 more. That will give you 6 out out of the 12 tapered nicely then I just cut the bottom 6 at an angle to smooth that out more before milking it back inside. As you mentioned, it is in fact structural as in break tests it will frequently pop at that ridge if not tapered correctly. Also I usually bury at LEAST 2 fid lengths (a fid is usually 30x the diameter of the line) which with 1/8” would be about 7 1/2”.
Thanks Bruce, With all your DIY video's I am aquiring a nice little library of usefull information. Just picked up a old White 765 sewing machine and am going to find someone to show me how to use it. With that and your video's I think I will have a great start. Keep up the great work I really enjoy and appreciate your efforts.
That is great Perry. Start of real easy and take things slow, I do. I don't do everything perfect either, even though I would like to. If you need anything let me know.
we buy 3/16 amsteel atv winch lines and make our whoopie slings and ridge lines from them ... im 230 and my 75lb dog sleeps in the hammok too ... so we need strong stuff LOL
I bet it would make awesome winch lines. I may make up a set for snomachines next winter now.
You are truly an expert with this.
Thanks for the video Bruce! I upgraded from the 7/64 amsteel also, just for my piece of mind in the safety aspect of it all, Don't want any broken hips on the trails! lol
The 7/16" is over 1000lb. Eno Straps are only rateded at 150lb, Dutchware's are 400lb for their tree straps. Most carabinres that come with hammocks are only 400lb. So is 1000lb good it ist GREAT.
Though I want to make some 1/8" just for the fun of it. I have the Air hammock and find the supplied quasi whoopie slings fidilly. So thanks
I need a shirt like that labs are the best!
They are the best. Mine is sleeping at my feet right now. If you do want a shirt I have them here shop.spreadshirt.com/naturecalls/black+labs+matter?idea=5b99944d1cbf3a600bcdc5b2
Nice video. Easy to follow! As I have Amsteel laying around; I’m definitely going to try making my own whoopie slings now. Thanks 🙏 for sharing. Just subbed your channel.
Thanks. Will check out your channel as well. Really need to get over to that side of the country.
Great tutorial Bruce. Thanks for the info on 1/8 amsteel versus 7/64. As far as weight goes, I think that is so minimal of a difference that it really would not be noticeable at all..but I know some are more into counting ounces then I am at this time.
Thanks for this very informative Video!
I agree Lee. I am not that precise. Heck that just may be the difference between taking a Snickers to a Clif bar for my mid day hiking snack.
have you ever seen people using a bead on one side to keep the loop from going back through the bury
Great video, thank you.
For the wire hook, I doubled my wire so that the hook wasn't a loose sharp end. It was the only detail on your video that my experience was off on. My wire kept getting caught and really messed up the line. I ended up cutting it and once I made a long wire with the fold in the middle it worked great.
My project if you are interested is a 11' Moroccan blue 1.0 Hyper D hammock with 1/8" grey Amsteel whoopie slings. I have some camo tree straps to tie it all together. This should be light and a great addition to my kit. I have a Warbonnet Blackbird and its great, but as more friends get interested in backpacking, it's great to explore equipment and have doubles of things to bring friends along. I think I may also build an adjustable ridgeline out of 7/64" Aamsteel.
Look forward to your future videos.
Very good idea Ryan. I have been slowly going through the wires I have, but it makes perfect sense to have it longer. Then I might stop losing them too. I think there are about nine under my couch. Moroccan blue sounds awesome for a hammock. I was thinking of a hex tarp in that color. Will end up an awesome hammock for sure and you will soon be building them for all your friends I would think. I am sitting here right now with a bunch of 1/8 and just strung up my very first hammock I made out in the lab, thinking about doing a 1/8 fixed ridgeline for it, putting on the 1/8 whoopies I made and doing carabiners for all the connections. I think it would be pretty industructable and almost no wear points. That is what I used my REI 20% off on....6 carabiners. Kept me from spending too much money on a tent or something. Time to revive the UA-cam channel. Are you a musician?
Great idea on the REI carabiners purchase. I grabbed a second head lamp. As far as my channel goes, this is my personal account that I use for website administration. I design and build websites so I need to access webmaster tools. I wanted my comments to be my actual name so I used this account. The music videos are just shows I attended. I'm not a musician, but I am a fan of live music. I can't really focus on a quality youtube channel. You have to have passion to do it right, which you clearly do. Thank you. I appreciate your time!
great! Thanks!
How do you make a fish tool?
Gr8 vid. Following your example, I upgraded to 1/8 amsteel whoopie for my HH. Setup was simple but when weight was placed on the hammock the whoopie slipped even after multiple stretches were placed on the sleeves. Have you experienced this with 1/8 amsteel as i did? And what would you recommend to keep it from slipping? Thx
I haven't experienced that lately. When I first started making stuff like this I had that issue when I didn't have enough buried. If you can put even more in the bury the better it gets. I will go pretty far really. I could see like a 15 inch bury with the 1/8th. Zing-it size is really a lot harder to get a long bury and I have had to walk away at times when I work with it and do deep breathing exercises. Give that a try and let me know. I will also massage it, or any of the sizes with my hands in the beginning to get the grip started. It is pretty slick in the beginning. Let me know
Nature Calls Backpacking
That makes perfect sense (longer bury and handling the cordage to tone down the slickness). I'll let you know how it performs. Much appreciated.
Great video again and thank you for sharing! How do you like whoopie and ucr when it comes to hammock suspension? Thx!
Thanks Steven. My latest tactic for my own gear is to have the whoopie and an adjustable ridgeline (big whoopie), I find the UCR slips sometimes. Then when I am happy that I have the hammock set right will make a 7/64th amsteel fixed ridgeline. But if I am making a hammock that will be used by different people I will keep the adjustable on it. The UCR makes a lot of sense for weight, but the slipping is too often for me.
Nature Calls Backpacking Thank you Bruce for the clear explaination👍
Why not just use your carabiner as the marlin spike and call it a day?
Great vid! Ordered some amsteel and gonna give this a try!
Awesome. I find it super fun and addicting. Your daughter will love it too. I get some of my Amsteel from go2marine.com which is right over in Poulsbo.
That's good to know, I'll check them out with future projects.
Why do you feel 7/64 amsteel to weak for hammocks? Min tensil is 1400 lbs with a 4x margin for safety that is 350 lbs per line. Depending on how you are stringing your hammock you use 2-4 lines. I think 7/64 became the std because for its strength and weight is was cheapest solution.
I agree and have had not issues as yet pushing all my 7/64th Amsteel way beyond spec. Unfortunately I have viewers of these videos that will go to their grave reciting certain books and people, and if the calculator says it is too much they let me know in a lot of ways. I was curious anyway, and the weight difference to me is nominal, so why not. I love experimenting. I do have some viewers that would push the tensile and margin if they go too far with the 7/64th though and I would rather show them possibilities so they won't have that issue to worry about. But yes, 7/64 is super strong and light and perfect for most applications.
I like the feeling of the larger rope in my hands. My backpacking rig uses 200 lb. Spectra kite line for tarp guylines that make Zing-it look like mooring lines. But if I'm not carrying everything on my back I like to have a larger rope. I can carry much more gear on my bike and trailer so I use 2 mm guylines with a few 7/64th utilitiy lines and even 30' of 1/4" Spectra work rope.
Omg where can I get that shirt
I made mine on spreadshirt.com Real easy.
Are you wrapping the tree with the Whoopie sling? That’s bad for the tree, you should be using at least a 1” strap to protect the tree. Get a longer strap and use a smaller whoopie sling.
i only have 550 paracord. i want to make whoopie sling for hammock.
How many kg can be resisted.
You can’t make paracord into a whoopie: you need to have a hollow briaded rope to be able to splice it. But you could use 550 cord and tie a Farimond hitch (but you’d need to make extra wraps to hold an adult’s weight!). Not sure if paracord starts to slip when wet, either, so test it out before you risk your hips and spine to it!!!
Would be even better in metric😀
I was just telling that to my daughter. Why the US still or ever didn't embrace metric to begin with. The best part is she is in the Navy who use knots for everything, and her brothers are Marines that use metric.