Ian McKellen BACK in The Hunt for Gollum as Gandalf!? With one Caveat.
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In a recent interview with The Sunday Times (www.thetimes.com/culture/film...) Ian McKellen was asked if he'd play Gandalf again... and it seems the only thing that could hold him back is Father Time.
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It will be a gift to humanity to have Ian play the role again.
Amen
No thank you. He is too old. It was absurd seeing him in the hobbit already...
While he’s still with us 😭
@@vaguehenri802 The Hobbit was absurd but not because of Ian McKellen. Having said that he is too old now.
@@mojebi3804 It was absurd, and Ian was part of it. He had aged very poorly in those 10 years. As do most at that age
McKellen is the pinnacle of "Gandalfery".
Sounds like an advanced course at Hogwarts.
I think Viggo's Aragorn was also perfect. I've been reading Tolkien since the 1970s and Viggo's performance was almost precisely what a pictured.
Can confirm. I watched the movies and then read the books, and Viggo was indeed how I pictured Aragorn.
I had no problem with any of the casting - even Faramir. I have no problem with Sir Ian reprising the roll either. I just fear the the story telling going off point to make another 3 part saga.
You got me remembering my introduction to Tolkien. Sounds like I was just behind you as I started my Tolkien journey in '79 as my best friend had 2 older brothers that put us onto the Lord of the Rings when we were in the 5th grade. I got my own copies a couple of years later when the Silver Jubilee edition came out. I read them every fall (even when they were held together by tape) until I started working and listened to the Mind's Eye radio dramas in the wooden box. I remember Gail Chugg was the narrator and Smeagol. Gandalf was perfect (I had to look it up, 'cause I wasn't 100% that I wasn't mixing up Bernard Mayes playing another character) I also see where it was recorded in '79 too, coincidentally. Later I found the BBC versions.
My favorite chapters are still Shadows of the Past and the Scouring of the Shire. I read the Silmarillan, but as it wasn't written as a book, but pieced together notes, it didn't make the annual reading list.
@@vinceinhouston4338 The one I didn't like per se was the casting of Frodo. I didn't have a problem with Elijah Woods himself, but I didn't like that they had Woods play Frodo so young. Frodo was 50 when he left the Shire. He was about 15 years older than Sam, Pippin and Merry. That's why he was much more serious about the Quest and the Ring itself.
@@Timasion I can undesrtand that. I always looked at it as magical folk (I figure Hobbits qualify) don't age the same. However, Bilbo was looking to surpass the Old Took and that was a big deal. So a longer life than humans, but not as long as Elves or even the Dunedain. For that reason, it never bothered me. I get you though.
Agree but disagree. Viggo was perfect as the movie written version of Aragorn, but the part, as written, is not easily comparable. I don’t think you guys have read the books… he’s super confident in the books, knowing exactly his moves and plans. Aragorn in the movies is always questioning himself, his motives, his decisions. (This makes for a much better movie… just not the same)
Ian McKellen is Gandalf. Accept no substitutes.
I like to imagine that Gandalf is real and Ian McKellen is just a role he plays when he's not busy with his wizarding duties.
There were 4 perfect castings in LOTR: Gandalf, Bilbo, Galadriel, and Theoden.
I agree. Gandalf and Theoden sit at the top of my list.
Viggo
Saruman.
Legolas
Gimli
So many more
I'll throw Sean Bean as Boromir on that list
I agree that it has to be Ian McKellen, but it also has to be Viggo Mortensen, just as much!
Happy Birthday to Sir Ian turning 85 in May! 🎉 May he make a quick full recovery from his recent fall off a London stage. 🙏🏻
Honestly I think the entire cast was fantastic not just Ian.
The wizard's dual at Orthanc was necessary, because Gandalf wouldn't have become prisoner without a fight. And since it doesn't detail the account in the book, you have to assume that something went down
Christopher Lee's Saruman was pretty special too. Smaller role, obviously, but he nailed it. We got super lucky with the wizards (let's pretend Radagast in the Hobbit didn't happen).
True. Really wished Jackson had leaned more into the Voice of Saruman, though... Lee would've done an even more incredible job if we got to hear his voice more.
But, if left with 1 wizard, I'll take Ian McKellen as Gandalf over Lee as Saruman.
Let’s face the reality instead. - It was deltoro that ruined and created HOBBIT. PJ and crew were the ones who were called to the studio to rescue the flaming nosedive from deltoro that sent that film into. PJ wanted more time to just start over but he had to work with a lot of film that was already produced.
@@Makkaru112 Exactly. I don't blame Peter Jackson for The Hobbit at all. He was simply thrown into the fire.
Radagast played by Sylvester Mccoy was fine as well. Radagast was kind of a loner and aloof in the books and only respected by Gandalf. Sauruman hated him. Relying on animals more than people was his trademark. And he doesn't appear much in the books anyway so I am not sure why your animosity towards the mccoy portrayal of him in the hobbit
@@TeamValkyrie2023 Not blaming McCoy at all, but he was given little to work with and, as written for the movies, Radagast feels completely off to me. Saruman may have considered him a fool, but he was anything but.
Consider this. - We can glean a little more about the hunt for Gollum from Appendix B, "The Tale of Years".
2944: Gollum leaves the Mountains and begins his search for the 'thief' of the Ring.
2951: Sauron declares himself openly...
Gollum turns towards Mordor... Elrond reveals to 'Estel' his true name and ancestry, and delivers to him the shards of Narsil. Arwen, newly returned from Lórien, meets Aragorn in the woods of Imladris. Aragorn goes out into the Wild.
2977: Bain son of Bard becomes king of Dale.
2980: About this time Gollum reaches the confines of Mordor and becomes acquainted with Shelob.
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3001: The guard on the Shire is doubled. Gandalf seeks for news of Gollum and calls on the help of Aragorn.
3007: Brand son of Bain becomes king in Dale. Death of Gilraen, Aragorn's mother.
3009: Gandalf and Aragorn renew their hunt for Gollum at intervals during the next eight years, searching in the vales of Anduin, Mirkwood, and Rhovanion to the confines of Mordor. At some time during these years Gollum himself ventured into Mordor, and was captured by Sauron.
3017: Gollum is released from Mordor.
He is taken by Aragorn in the Dead Marshes, and brought to Thranduil in Mirkwood.
If the film is going to conform to the continuity of the Peter Jackson films then the above timeline would likely be significantly compressed, with the bulk of it taking place in just a few, short years (at most). FOTR-EE gives the year of Bilbo's eleventy-first birthday as 3000 (Third Age), with the Council of Elrond seemingly taking place on 25
October, 3001. This also means that the Quest of Erebor took place in the year 2940 instead of 2941, and places Aragorn's year of birth at either 2914 or 2915 (depending on whether he was 87 or 88 when the Ring was unmade).
This goes right on with my concern that the Hunt for Gollum is going to be be more Philippa, Fran and Peter, than Tolkien. I hoped there was more than I remembered about it that perhaps Christopher Tolkien uncovered. There is money to be made, no doubt. I guess I should just be glad it's Peter Jackson behind this and not someon just out to cash in on it.
yea 😐
Ian is very old, but he could play the role as Christopher Lee did, for Saruman.
Not traveling but staying home.
They could hire in replacement the actor that is in the ROP series. I think he plays his part pretty well. One of the few good things of the series
As much as it hurts me to say this but yeah,
he really has become old.
I DO NOT THINK IAN OR VIGGO CAN BE REPLACED AS GANDALF OR ARAGORN.
No one is up for more Radagast?
I'd love for them to do Radagst justice this time. He's not just a blundering fool(probably), he's MAIAR.
I do not know whether this fil will be goo, but to see Viggo once again as Aragorn and Sir Ian Mc Kellen as Gandalf ig is worth it
If you see how action always followed the lineage of Beren and Lúthien, and Eärendil it makes sense why they did Arwen and they needed to do it to give Aragorn something to grow from on screen. And it was the best way to also showcase more of the nature of elves and the Long Defeat and so forth. I had many great ideas over the years to blend her presence with Glorfindel. React to CutterOne explain from his experience in the TV business regarding the changes in the movies from the books. He’s a he great guy.
Thank you Ian ❤
My vote would go to Patrick Stewart as a worthy successor to the role.
absolutely!
Pat Stew is 4000 years old
Actually not a terrible choice. Still wouldn’t be the same, but would at least be an acceptable substitution in my eyes.
Agreed 💯 percent
@@petra_kalbrain4426agreed he's acted with him before anyways 😅
Lets send ian McKellen energy so he survives through 2025 so he can play gandalf he is great actor 😅
Quite right! Quite right!
If they were to recast Gandalf, they’d need to find the world’s most insane impersonator. Even then, it would make me utterly sad.
ian mckellen is still young, christopher lee was playing saruman well into his 90s.
Please let it be Ian McKellan as Gandalf!
Ian is Gandalf. Period
Did you know that book!Gandalf have the long beard but NOT the mustache?? After Ian's Gandalf, that's impossible to imagine!
I literally couldn’t watch the movie if Sir Ian isn’t playing Gandalf.
Either bring back those members of the original cast that are needed OR replace the entire cast. Don't mix and match.
If Ian McKellen is able to join in again as Gandalf, I hope they have stunt doubles for him or just a way for him to be somewhat safe during production. Tolkein's world is full of battles and adventures, and it seems like the sort of production where it's better to be younger and more athletic. Even just riding a horse is dangerous, even if you've spent years around horses.
'A wizard is never late...nor is he early Frodo Baggins...he arrives presicely when he means too'
nobody can play gandalf except ian mckellen. he has absolutely brought the character to life. one of the thing i hate most in films is when someone else plays an existing role and tried to put 'thier own spin' on the character. No, we love that character as he was, play him like that, just like that. as an actor your job is to be that person, not yourself.
A guy like this does not take into account age and time, we would all love to see Ian reprise the role but least we forget he would not be himself as we remember because he's old. People want him to reprise a part when technically he was as young as fellowship OTR. Continuity wise it would not look right. And would need a ton of vfx to pull off. And body doubles. He would need to be as ch as gollumn himself. Same goes for viggo. Now that said, viggo could reprise as the older king of condor and reflect back to his hunt for gollumn. This is the problem with hop skipping thru a story timeline,
If there was ever an argument for de-aging tech, and voiceover tricks…this is it.
I hope and pray they don't ruin the movies, like Peter Jackson did. Hold your comments, the movies was amazing and more. But after reading the books again for like that 5 time since I was a kid, there was so much left out of the movies that were Key points and they changed stuff too. Plus I hope they keep it like JR. R. Tolkien style of writing,
I think if he's healthy enough, it could work, since Gandalf and the Istari came into Middle Earth already appearing as elderly men. I don't think they could pull it off with Viggo, though, since Aragorn was younger at that time than when we met him in LotR. It would take a lot to get Viggo to fill that part without making it look very fake.
React to Mythwest showing all the proof of the 1200hours of extra footage Peter Jackson and crew found in a mountain warehouse recently. It’s why there are so many videos showing more of Bernard Hill. Théoden. ❤
Excellent conundrum ... Who ELSE could play gandalf ... ??? David Jason ?? From Only Fools And Hobbits ??? hahahaha
after that amazon crap I hope now we get something great
It would be easier to accept a different Aragorn then a different Gandalf
Yeah… but he’s too old. I think it should be anime.. Viggo is in his 60’s.. great voice acting….
I am all for another LOTRs trilogy;; as long as it isn’t WOKE and Peter Jackson doesn’t WING IT like it did in the Hobbit.
Should Sir Ian not be able to play the role - for any reason - they should do a CGI of him. IMO that is preferable to anyone else filling in for the role.
And the two famous channels that perfectly impersonated his voice could voice over the CGI. ❤
@@Makkaru112 That works :)
Ian McKellan seems much older in appearance than he did when he originally played Gandalf. More folds in his skin, etc. I guess they could CGI his face so he looks younger.
give him his ring of fire back
Lee Pace back too? I hope
That’s be a great way to keep continuity going. Constantly changing things and recasting ruins every and any movie and series. ROP didn’t learn that lesson at all
I am patient. I can wait...
McKellen was brilliant as Gandalf and you can't really imagine someone else doing the role.
I heard Sean Connory is going to play him this time.
Lord of the rings getting the Star Wars treatment…
All good things come to an end. your favorite song can't go on forever. The LOTR franchise should be put to rest. They never should have even done The Hobbit. Not the way they did, anyhow. I don't think we should get anymore LOTR installations on the screen until the original trilogy has more time to age. Perhaps in 30+ years I'd be open to a reawakening with all new cast IF DONE RIGHT (it probably wouldn't be) Imagine Villenueve doing it though... perhaps with Greg Frasier as cinematographer... makes you wonder what could be or could've been.
I did see once a person online say they felt Ian made the character a bit too gay.
Not really. And gay means happy. Gleeful. Full of mirth. He is the perfect Gandalf. For many reasons. Period. Sir Ian FTW❤
@@Makkaru112 well exactly. He wasn’t as “happy” or “gleeful” in the book.
I have little faith in this movie after finding out what they are doing with the War of the Girl Boss, I mean Rohiriam.
If his role is very limited and he is deaged a little bit. He looks ancient, then I think it could work. I don’t want to watch him hobble around and try to do anything strenuous. And Viggo might be too old. Orlando Bloom is too old and he should probably make an appearance as well as it centers around Mirkwood elves.
I’m kicking myself for saying this but might be best to recast everyone. You can’t just have McKellen as Gandalf and recast everyone else. It would feel odd I think.
So, no actual confirmation? Bit of a clickbait title you have here. Tsk tsk.
It is coming. Same with war of the Rohirim. Best content regarding this is first videos about it by George the giant slayer and then nerd of the ringed who got a direct interview with Philippa Boyens and even earned an impromptu meeting with the war of the Rohirim writers next door and they were young as heck and not woke. Not to mention kamiyama-san I’d a legend in his own right too. Brian Cox is involved too. GeorgeTheGiantSlayer let Brian read out loud Of Sigurd And Gudrun by Tolkien. This man is also a Tolkien scholar like Tom Shippey.
We all can be thankfull that LOTR and the Hobbit were made in the early 2000s. Anything produced nowadays would not be 10% as greate as this movie productions were. So just let it rest or you get another Rings of power disaster.
Gandalf in hobbit is older than lotr and hunt for gollum he will be older than he is in hobbit but younger than lotr. Well he is an angel so i suppose it works.
I loved LOTR and accepted the changes (more or less) because he kept to the spirit of Tolkien's story. I know who saved Frodo and get why they utilized Liv Tyler to give her more to do. Thank Bob that they kept her out of Helms Deep - she's a wonderful actress and easy on the eyes, but that would have been well out of place. I could go on, but that's not my point.
Peter Jackson took the Hobbit and stretched what could have been a solid two part movie and watered it down by expanding well outside of what was written. I know there is an argument that it was what Gandalf did and just moved to fit the movie, but it was out of place and pulled me out of the movie instead of drawing me in.
With only an outline and hints already partially covered, if The Hunt for Gollum stretches out to two or three movies, I will be hard pressed to spend my money to see it - regardless of if they get Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis, Viggo, Elijah and all the conspiracy Hobbits too (combined for their small parts to fill in the gaps where the hunt took place). That would tell me that there is more Peter, Fran and Philippa there than Tolkien. I would have to hear it was lightning in a bottle all over again as I wished the Hobbit had been. I wish I could edit those movies (the Hobbit) down to 1 cannon cut. Alas, I'm not a film editor and I don't play one on TV. A little fluff would have been fine, but an extra movies worth of fluff spread over the other 2... well, the last half, really didn't make it better, in my view.
Jackson's love of Tolkien served him well for the LOTR, but wasn't enough for the Hobbit. He redeemed himself with Get Back, financing the pioneering of sound separating technology ala Revolver etc. in my eyes for his love of the Beatles. I really hope he doesn't just think that a story can be cobbled together when there is no there... there. Color me sadly skeptical. 😕
Its a pity that they did not take the opportunity back then when lotr trilogy released to exploit more stories in that universe ... i mean they lost valuable time... when it was the peak and with the cgi of that time combined with practical effects we would have more phenomenal movies like lotr... I fear that the world is changed quite a bit and things that made movies good are no longer around...Even the hobbit, which by now is already a tad old, overused cgi and unnecessery love triangles... i have great concerns about the hunt for gollum ! And no hype at all!
Weirdly he actually had the idea back in 1998 to do this same idea about the Hunt for Gollum once the trilogy was complete. I don't know why it's taken him 20 years to do it..
I know I am alone on this one, but I would love to see Keanu Reeves as Gandalf 😂
How about the guy in the tv series, the Amazon stranger Gandalf, ey, I think he could be ok, maybe, if you were to give him a slightly more matured long like a greyish beard maybe, slightly longer, pointy, erm, maybe he would long fine in a wig of Gandalf beard if the beard was shortened maybe a slightly younger looking Gandalf, with a grey cap pointy hat and a grey cloak maybe, I don’t know
However, being McKellen the best Gandalf we have so far in film media, I don´t think he is the only one in the world who can portray the Gandalf. Never forget that no actor will ever be the Gandalf that Tolkien had in his mind. So I don´t care who portrays Gandalf in film, unless is Sean Connery or some other dude with an UnGandalfy face.
No... but it definitely feels too soon to replace him as an actor (if he can possibly still do it).
I was going to say Patrick Stewart could be a good replacement, then i google and find out he's only two years younger.. 😅
I don't know honestly. McKellen was perfect for Gandalf in TLotR, but something felt just slightly off to me in his work in the Hobbit films. Now, it might not have been do to McKellen at all, but it just makes me even more concerned about their ability to pull it off with The Hunt for Gollum.
The hobbit production was a disaster and overall incomparable to original trilogy in every way, it wasnt mckellen
@@Luke-kj1rj Yeah, I won't disagree with that. But on the other hand, if the production is also a mess on a new movie, McKellen seems even less equipped to save it with his excellent acting.
Yes , he looked older to me which is odd seeing he is younger in the Lott. He also shouldn't age seeing that gandalf is a immortal. So if they bring him back they could try makeup techniques that make him seem to look at least like he did in Lott.
Maybe artificial intelligence could help with that. Also his voice in the Hobbit felt a little older. Still happy it was McKellen though. Another actor would have ruined it for me.
The.hobbit was doodie
Solo was fine, the last jedi being crap is what screwed solo. No one wanted to spend $50 at the movies in the off chance it sucked
Jackson can produce as much as he wants, but please keep him out of the director's seat.
Why? It was deltoro that ruined and created HOBBIT. PJ and crew were the ones who were called to the studio to rescue the flaming nosedive from deltoro that sent that film into. PJ wanted more time to just start over but he had to work with a lot of film that was already produced.
CGI will help..
He’s going to peg off way to old for the next lotr
I think Patrick Stewart would be a good choice. Patrick and Ian have the same quality of voice, which is very important to this role. Plus, Patrick’s a great actor.
As much as I like Sir Ian, he's way too old. It wouldn't be right.
Get Ian McKellen and get Viggo Mortensen.
Well let's just hope the woke community stays out of it.😡
I really think Ian is too old now. He may want to do it. But he looks like he can barely walk.
He’s too old