About old tom, they make a silly show Tom just laughs and sings He sees and hears the Withywindle flow Concerns himself with green and leafy things Goldberry awaits him, the merry fellow Unimpressed by the dirty amazon river It doesnt make his boots any less yellow He skips on home and sings a song, bezos give shim no shiver Ringading dello. Ok ok it sucks but i just whipped it out on the spot haha
@@circedelune for sure. But thats a really low bar... If i would have let my cat walk across the keyboard 3x and then pressed "reply" there would probably have been something more sensible than amazon can make 🤣
Even in a good adaptation by talented people who care deeply about the lore, I would be worried about the inclusion of Tom Bombadil, simply because he seems so hard to adapt to film. And Rings of Power is not a good adaptation by talented people who care deeply about the lore. It is the polar opposite of all those things.
But unless they get even worse and start following the new Russell Davies method, they'll have to put something inside the box and there's no way they'll get it right in any way.
I wouldn't mind inclusion of Tom Bombadil in a Tolkien adaptation. Only these writers/showrunners have shown us already that they're not very capable. Bombadil is a very difficult character to include and others have avoided him for a reason and these people should probably be the last ones to attempt to. If they pull it off it will be one of THE biggest upsets
I can't help but to imagine 15-20 yrs from now, speaking to someone in their 30's about LOTR...and this show being their only knowledge of Tolkien 🙄...no...just...no
That is what the people behind this want. They said in an interview before the first season aired that they wanted this to be the entry point for a new generation, just like the films were an entry point before them.
There is another way of looking at it. RoP has given lotr more PR that all the money in the world could buy, I'm sure this show is going to make thousands of people that would otherwise never care, look up the original work and become Tolkien fans. I think Twin Peaks is one of the best TV shows ever made, but if it were not for the fan-hated season 3 from 2017 or something, I would probably never have watched the original.
This is actually fanless-fiction character Bomb Tomidill. Much like this show, it has no bearing on the real characters or the story of Lord of the Rings.
In the same letter (1954) after he talks about Bombadil, he mentions Sauron burning the Entwives to death in the 2nd age. Tolkien didn't have Tom interfere with the Entwives destruction yet this joke of a show is going to have him push not-Gandalf one way or another? Bombadil is either useful or not. He is more minor in the narrative than Fatty Bulger.
Given the star map that is incorporated into the ceiling of Tom Bombadil's dwelling, I expect that Tom is just getting an extended cameo where he points the Stranger and his companion(s) towards the next stage of their journey.
Appreciate that you brought up the obvious response to these writers labouring how difficult it is to put him in, almost as if they are obliged to and they're victims. They chose to put him in because no-one else did. They want to use him but still pretend they're being put upon. As a side note, he DID appear in an adaptation. There was a BBC radio series called 'Tales from the Perilous Realm' which was an anthology of Leaf by Niggle, Farmer Giles etc, including a two-parter of Tom, Old Man Willow, through to the barrow-wights. Its beautiful. Look it up!
I posted this on the Trent Report vid on this topic, but I thought I should post it here as well: Yes, we ought to react to the absurdities and corruptions invented by Payne and McKay with laughter and ridicule. Perhaps we can preserve Tolkien’s sub-creation unsullied. Jonathon makes a great point something to the effect that we participate in the process of sub-creation though our own imagination. I might add that those of us who cherish Tolkien try to imagine things as congruently as possible with what the Professor actually wrote. However, it doesn’t seem right to say that Bombadil didn’t care about anything. Shouldn’t we rather say that he simply didn’t care for exercising power over other living beings? Who knows, well Tom is a mystery after all. Anyway, it seems the madmen they call showrunners may make Bombadil into one of the Blue Wizards, and maybe the Stranger is a Blue Wizard after all, despite his absurd borrowing of the movie phrase “follow your nose.” In the childishly simplistic thinking style of Payne and McKay it must seem like some kind of brilliance to imagine that if Tom has a pointy hat and a blue-ish coat he must be one of the Blue Wizards. That Tom could be one of the Maiar is certainly one of the most plausible of possible de-mystifications of Bombadil, but he absolutely cannot be one of the Istari. Even less can he be Melkor or can Goldberry be Ungoliant. But Jonathon is right in not putting it past these two jokers I think I understand how Jonathon feels. I hate “The Rings of Power” but I almost feel obligated to watch it. I’ve got to know what kind of mischief they are making with the mythology I love. And I feel almost “called” to resist it. I’ll be doing what others call “hate-watching” it. But I’ve coined a new phrase that befits my feeling a bit better: I’ll be “curmudgeon-watching” it. That’s me, “The Tolkien Curmudgeon”, and that’s what I call my UA-cam channel, which is about as low-tech as possible considering that it’s just 64-year-old semi-Luddite me blabbing in front of my computer.
Okay some thoughts. You say Tom Bombadil is kind of limited to his forest and his house and his concerns there and nothing else. But; he at one time was interested and did wander in the wider world. He had many names -how unless he did wander and meet many races? His retreat to Eriador was made closer to the Third Age, as I recall, as a response to deforestation and strife. He was not a recluse his entire life, and perhaps he was not indifferent to the world until it was absolutely necessary to his peace and survival.
isn't it kind of implied that he only became a recluse once he met goldberry? and then they just started living in their own world. i don't recall exactly but that's how i remember it
Imagine failing to do so many characters right in your first season, and then still having the hubris to think you can adapt a character that is actually difficult to adapt to film.
Brian Blessed would indeed have been perfect. In fact I first read The Lord Of The Rings in the early 70's and even back then I heard his voice in my head when Tom Bombadil was speaking or singing.
Yeah it makes no sense! Especially since Tom has to be in areas where the people would encounter him to give him his many names :)...Elrond recalls him: "“ ‘But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is still the same that walked the woods and hills long ago, and even then was older than the old. That was not then his name. Iarwain Ben-adar we called him, oldest and fatherless. But many another name he has since been given by other folk: Forn by the Dwarves, Orald by Northern Men, and other names beside. He is a strange creature, but maybe I should have summoned him to our Council.’" So the only way it would make sense if Elrond encoutnered him in Eriador! Also one must remember the Second Age sees Eriador as continuous vast woodland! That later got cut down by the Numenoreans exploiting the natural resources!
@@Mallarkey that's the thing he was travelling where those peoples lived...so Eriador, the north-western parts...as there lived all those elves, all those Dwarves and men of the north :).
Another thing...why is Rhun supposed to be any sort of lost paradise edenic etc.? No idea...since it was one of the ordinary mortal lands, and it would be simply a vast land of grassy plains and forests unexplored etc. Rhun is just the designation of the geographic direction...it means simply East :). The specific locations like Sea of Rhun, the Orocarni Mountains far beyond it, there were in the ancient times in the Uttermost East the lost lands where the origin of Elves and Men was, the land of Cuivienen and Hildorien..and I doubt they would be anything other than the rest of Middle-earth lands, each beautiful in it's own right, what the REAL 'edenic garden' would be especially in the Second Age setting...isn't even in Rhun...it would be the gardens of Entwives :)...where later the Brown Lands by the river Anduin were located! :)
@@fantasywind3923 "and many more bedsides"? Eldest I am. Master. In my head cannon he's been around since before even the Firstborn, so surely he didn't just shack up on that spot from day 1 and forever. I'd always imagined he'd probably trodden every inch of Middle Earth (& beyond ?)
"Oh uncool bush! Unloose this passle Of furry cats that you hassle! Tho' by speed my brain's destroyed, I'm not half this paranoid! So cease this bummer, down the freak-out, Let caps and joints cause brains to leak out! These cats are groovy here among us, So leave 'em be, you up-tight fungus! They should have gone full Tim Benzedrine.
Just because they can doesn't mean that they should...and just because Tom was canonically in existence during the Second Age doesn't mean he needs to be included in the story 😔
I understand the temptation to include Tom Bombadil, I really do. I love him just as any other LotR fan out there, and I'm sad that he was cut from the Peter Jackson trilogy even though I understand it from an adaptation/screenplay point of view. However. I'd rather never see him on screen than watching him get the Galadriel treatment from Amazon, where the only thing that remains of the character is their name. Well, whatever, I'm quite similar to Tom Bombadil in certain aspects, so I'll just continue to ignore Rings of Power and occupy myself with my trusty books that won't change just because someone made a not very good adaptation of them.
His choice of words resonates with me as a Catholic: the profound understanding of the meaning of poverty. It's similar to pureness of heart, where the self has so let go of attachment that nothing can cause it harm and it lacks all self interest. Notice too that tyranny is the opposite of kingship rather than of democracy. The rightful function of a king is to provide for the well being of all the people in his realm, free of the conflicts we see in democratic governments. This of course is the ideal, and has inherent dangers when the king is also a tyrant. Our US founding fathers lived this dark reality and devised a constitutional, democratic form of government to prevent just such an abuse of power from occurring. The danger of democracies, as a wise poli-sci teacher once said, is if all the people are wrong.
I think they're doing this so that, ultimately, it's Tom Bombadil who gives the Stranger a blue robe and pointy hat, so the stranger becomes the blue wizard. BET.
I will always imagine Tom Bombadil as an acid addled hippie, Tim Benzedrine, as portrayed in Harvard Lampoon's LOTR parody "Bored of the Rings". Which I read after "The Hobbit", but couldn't quite get into the "Fellowship..." being a preteen at the time.
Before the Scouring of the Shire Gandalf left the Hobbits to go and talk to Bombadil. He did so not only to let the Hobbits know they could take care of themselves, but he specifically stated he wanted a long talk with old Tom who had taken an opposite road to him. Bombadil was the stone staying still and gathering moss while Gandalf was the rolling stone. What would be the point of that if Gandalf and Tom were already well acquainted? I doubt Gandalf had ever visited Tom Bombadil before, let alone had any major dealings with him.There would have been no point. While he had dealings with the Hobbits he believed in hindsight that was an intuition given to him by higher powers maybe, but there would be no reason for him to have gone out of his way to visit Bombadil at all. All normal for Rings of Power though. And Jackson for all your revere him too to be honest. Anyone that brings Super Mario and Dune to the Hobbit can hardly be called anything but willfully ignorant of the original stories.
Great stuff! That quote from Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park is one of the best in cinema. Some shame goes to the Tolkien estate for giving up the writes to movie studios. The rest of the shame falls on those who watch and accept the adaptations over the original works of Tolkien. But the quote speaks in the same words as telling us that Tom is not in important character, but we are adding him anyway simply CAUSE WE CAN. Who cares about what we do to the story and the characters, we have the rights to do what we want, and you are going to have to accept it. Thus, we simply get what Jeff Goldblum's Jurassic Park character quoted when he came across sick Triceratops droppings.
What message?? They are literally expanding the mythos on one of the more interesting characters in Toilkens world. But go ahead and continue festering in utter obscurity and lack of imagination…
@golden_rule_truth no no no hes doing like a dog whistle kinda thing, ya know where people in that echo chamber see "the message" and know what he means
@Golden_Rule_Truth Bomadil is only interesting because he's enigmatic. If Tolkien had made it clear that Bombadil was a Maiar, then nobody would care about him because he's pretty uninteresting and seems to have little power except for song. Tolkien actually said that Bombadil is not an important person to the narrative of Lotr. If he's not important to the war against Sauron in the Third Age, why would he be important in the war against Sauron in the Second Age? This is clearly an attempt to win book fans who didn't like S1 to be swayed by his presence in S2. Judging simply by the wardrobe, it's not going to work
@@Golden_Rule_Truth the projection!!!! From shills no less!!! The irony of being a fan of something that is going to "fester in utter obscurity" and completely forgotten about and saying that to someone who is a fan of ACTUAL Lord of the Rings and Tolkien 🤣🤣🤣🤣 😐
Having him in Rhun is not against canon. He was a wanderer before he was not anymore. But there are plenty of concerns to be had on most of what has been revealed
The arguement is that TB represents an "Observer". And Tom is a character that wouldn't be affected by the Ring, because he represents "nature", which in this case may be the over all metaphysical nature as well as the "seen world" physical nature, alllowing him to be something that is somewhat outside of 'space-time', as it were....With that said, it may be that Sauron and whatever is going on with these "mystics" force Tom to play a slightly more signafigant//"key" role because they threaton existence itself, which he is tied to....and therefor he helps The Stranger find something or someone(s) (Other Wizards?!) he needs to avert this. It's clear from the trailer that Tom has been waiting for at least one Wizard to fall given the constellations in his dwelling -- so he impart advise for the (meta) physical universe's sake, just in case.... Thematically, besides Nori (and some of the previous Harfoots), there isn't a lot of "light" or "good-nature" in the story yet. A lot of the characters, even if well -ntended, have serious problems with their family, identity, pursuits, and/or are manipulative in their quests (It's why Sauron can take a good guess on setting things up and why The One Ring becomes so important in terms of how it prays on the worst impulses of the wearer). Tom represents the best part of (human) nature, so if he plays an influnce in the idea that nature needs saved, but it has to be saved in a bit of jest, then he brings that influence into the story and serves as conceptual plot devise to hold up those themes.
In Tolkien's day, Tom Bombadil and his part makes perfect sense. Nowadays it makes less sense and Peter Jackson would not have bothered. Tom Bombadil is the perfect image of a country squire, from bright clothes to yellowish brown field boots - because why wear the black patent leather half Wellingtons when trundling about the fields checking up on the hired labor. Frodo comes from a village family - and important one, but a village family nonetheless. He encounters, and is approved by Farmer Maggot, one step up from the Baggins. The next step up is Bombadil the country squire, the next step up is Aragorn the knight, thence on to the Kings. What the self styled socialists showrunners would or could make of this aspect of Tolkien's world, well, who can tell.
Kinda ironic that Rory Kinear was asked many years ago if he would take part in Doctor Who (it was the years of the revival) and the question seemed to rub him the wrong way, as if anything nerdy was below him. Now he embarks in the most disastrous production of something "nerdy", but this time he will step into the ridicule zone. [cue "curb your enthusiasm" on kazoo]
ah what was it Gandalf said? He was a stone doomed to rolling and Bombadil was one who gathered moss. Tom is great. But he is what he is. Set on his own turf, unmoving.
So, how did all the races of the world knew of him and had their own names for him? Lost in the woods a lot? Tom was there before any living thing. He certainly wasn't originally humanoid. He had been other things, had other lives, had other opinions, long before the LOTR.
We have 8 seasons of this we may as well throw Tom into this . May as well it's the only thing that they actually have the rights to that would actually be around in the second age . Not saying they won't mess it up at least they aren't making up new caricatures.
Bombadil is largely an unknown. There are PLENTY of things they couldve done with him and they choose to alter several of the few things we DO know about him
I have to say I'm pretty puzzled about what they think they will accomplish with this. . . innovation. I do think differently about Bombadil than you do from the perspective of the books, about which more below. I do agree with you that PJ et al made the right choice in not including him in their adaptation, and I'm unlikely to approve of what use RoP will make of him based on this article, which I also read with a certain disbelief. I do think that Bombadil is more important than you seem to, and there's a hint in the Council of Elrond that he might have had a larger role in previous ages, or at least a larger land. "He has withdrawn himself into a little land and he will not leave it." (I'm doing that from memory, but it's pretty close to accurate. "Has withdrawn" can be read to say that he did not always occupy only this little land, perhaps tying this with the "time was that a squirrel could go from tree to tree from what is now the Shire to Dunland" More to the point, do you attribute certain actions to whimsy? I find the gift of the barrow blades to the hobbits to be possibly prescient. We know that Bombadil's knowledge is very deep, as he would seem to be the oldest living being within Middle-Earth, maybe excepting Sauron and the Istari. While I do not subscribe to the notion held by some that he is an avatar or manifestation of Iluvatar, he might know enough of the Music to be led that way. Finally, from a larger perspective, I'd say that Frodo's moment of doubt in the barrow, his wondering if he could use the Ring to escape leaving the others to die is a pivot point in the story. Without Bombadil, that moment of doubt might end differently, even after Frodo cuts off the wight's hand. The three chapters of Bombadil's part in the story are the beginning of the deparochializing of the hobbits, and in Frodo's case, the beginning of that schooling Sam Gamgee refers to in Book II: "Of course he's had a bit of schooling in a manner of speaking, or he'd just fling the Ring in the river and bolt." Without the Old Forest, Lorien might seem less wondrous, and the forest of Fanghorn might make less sense. Well, enough, we agree that what Vanity Fair shows us are people who've clearly missed the point, even if we might disagree exactly on what that point is.
14:39 "Yorkshire"? Berkshire is next to the other Shire he mentioned, Oxfordshire. That's the South. Yorkshire is basically just South of Scotland, the extreme North of England.
Obviously they make their decision based of market studies, scouting online for what ppl say they like. I just hope they dony make me a billboard cliché for environementalism and climate change awarness 😂
I heard a theory that Tom Bombadil is Eru Iluvitar in human form thats why hes not corrupted by the ring and not really allowed to help fight against Sauron
Their inclusion of Tom Bombadil is a quintessential example of how The Rings of Power show runners are all about pure exploitation of Tolkien without any real understanding of Tolkien's writings or his characters, just wrong on so many levels. Always love how you folks at The One Ring are always about Tolkien authentically, like all true Tolkien fans, and I love you for it! 🧙♂🌟
Is it because we don't want anything new in the legendarium? Neophobia? Tom is tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of years old, perhaps eternal and just living in the junkpile of other Eru experiments until the Valar came. Changeless Tom absolutely ain't!
I’ve been guessing that Tom Bombadil was included simply so the show runners could brag that they were the first to adapt him. Recently a CBR shill article popped up in my newsfeed where the title was “Rings of Power Corrects Biggest Mistake from Peter Jackson’s films.” Guess what that “biggest mistake” was.
Thank god not much was written about the ancient Noldor Elf which by the way they have no rights to The Story Silmarilion I'm talking about Goldor Inglorion. He protects and keeps The Nazgûl from attacking the Hobbits with their elf like ethereal being of the ultimate purity & with great positve exposition on the history that he could trace back to Finrod Feligund back to Finarfin to one of the 3,original Eleves in the awakening of the 1 st born. Finwe the only one of the 3 that answers the call of the Elves to come to Valinor. His brother is my Favorite elf. Over a/ka King Eli Thingol Graymantle.
Tom Bombadil in Rhun? What? This is sacrilege. At least when people try to portray Jesus Christ on screen they have a sense of holy dread, that often makes performances a bit stuffy, but to try to portray Tom Bombadil's earnest childlike swinging swagger would take a special kind of heart. And these people are light-years away from that.
I see this talked about a lot, but it’s not far fetched. Take Elrond’s quote for example: “But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is the same that walked the woods and hills long ago, and even then he was older than the old.” Elrond has been alive since early in the First Age, so “long ago” likely means pre-Third Age. This leads me to conclude that Tom was not always confined to the boundaries of the Old Forest. Him being in Rhûn is not ridiculous at all. Edit: In fact, after some more research, Tom was only confined to the Old Forest in the Third Age
Tom was not rooted to his Forest home since the days before the Valar and the Beginning. He was at home in the world. He retreated to his little unkingdom late in the timeline of Middle Earth as a response to outside events. IE, he changed over time.
You could make Bombadil work in a TV show BECAUSE it's different to film. "An adventure along the way" that means nothing outside itself is perfect for an episodic tv show... but they're not clever enough to do that.
You're kind of wrong here and I'll tell you why: Tom does care! Have you forgotten that he helped the hobbits, saving them from the barrow-wights? This is a glaring proof that Tom stands for what is good, if that's not already made clear by his lively and joyous behavior. You can't be good and not care for evil, it just doesn't make any sense. The point about Tom is not that he did not care, but that he was rather unafraid of the troubles of the world because he was unaffected by them: he has an unknown power.
Did you watch the part of the video that covered Tolkien's letter on Bombadil? Tolkien made it pretty clear that Bombadil is not concerned with the wider world. Heck, that's why at the Council of Elrond the idea of leaving the Ring with him was rejected.
@@istari0 That's a valid point; it could mean that Tom is just unbothered with things outside of his close surroundings. But if so, why did he go to the barrow-downs when he did? Why did he answer the call of the hobbits? (Or offered his song to begin with?) Is that in accordance with what a 'self-centered' character would do? Tom would not have accepted the Ring, of course, because he's not affected by it for some mysterious reasons. And him being this mystique figure of great resolve and potency suggests that he has powers of his own - that is why he's not too worried about the wider world: his power is so great that he could bring back the balance if ever it was needed (sorcery of the Unseen World doesn't affect him, remember?). I would say that if you are in the right of things, that Tom is just this magical, selfish dude that by chance saved the bearer of the Ring out of no real interest, that that would be a fault in Tolkien's work...don't you think it sounds illogical?
Theres a video on UA-cam of all Lord of the Rings characters of prominent actors its A.i generated and Theres a pic of Robin Williams as Tom Bomadil he would have been perfect.
Their Tom looks like blue wizard who they didnt have any interesting idea on how to dress so went with just blue coat and wizard hat. Also in one of these images he looks if he was saying "do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks"
Season 1 people like Hobbits lets put hobbits in the show. Season 2 people wanted Tom Bombidil in LOTR lets give them Tom. This just feels like an attempt at fan service.
I guess Jolly Tom was going through some emotional shit or something in the 2nd Age? Dunno. Maybe Goldberry in the 3rd Age (?) puts a smile on Old Tom's face. /#ropshite
Another reason Jackson never took on Bombadil. He's not suited to live action. He's an enigma deliberately inserted by Tolkien as an enigma and nothing else. You may get away with his depiction in animation and it's certainly valid in still imagery but not a live actor. Saying that there's a part of me that's disappointed we'll never see Brian Blessed give Bombadil a shot haha. My God! That guy is a walking, breathing Tom Bombadil lol. Also, Payne's words, he didn't "live in this place called the Withywindle" lol. That's just the name of the river that cuts the Old Forest. That's a statement someone would say who's read ABOUT Tolkiens work, not read the work itself (or at the least someone who knows it).
"We started thinking...." is never a good sign from these people. If they managed to ruin pivotal characters like Galadriel, Sauron, Elrond and Celebrimbor, to name just a few, I can very well imagine the nonsense they'll come up with for Tom Bombadil. Also, the board is set, the pieces are moving... they are shoehorning Tolkien wherever they think it makes them look impressive
as a trans woman, i will say "hands off my goldberry, she is perfect and inspirational as she is!" Id hate any changes to her even more than changing tom himself. If they make her some sort of girlboss, you will know when i find out, the scream will sound like the bugles of the apocalypse. ^^
Totally with you on how silly RoP is and how they're bastardizing all things Tolkien . . . However, in *reading* the Bombadil narrative, and Tolkien's notes about him, I don't think it's a bridge too far to conclude that Tom *does* care about Nature. In a sense, he almost IS Nature, or elements thereof, personified - primordial, unmoved by earthly affairs, not tempted by power, enormously powerful himself, a communicator with trees, etc. I don't like RoP trying to shoehorn Bombadil into their crappy show, but if I *had* to do the same, it seems like Bombadil would be a character that, in some sense, represents or personifies the primordial and indifferent strength of Nature.
The Cornish thing is what really gets me, have they ever been to Cornwall? I doubt it as they would notice being called British isn't popular there. “Meea navidna caw zasawzneck” or I will speak no Saxon. Mind you last time the evil racists southerners were Mancunians strange as Manchester is in the North and has showers. The Nobbits were murderous leprechauns and someone had dropped a grand piano on Galadriel. Lets face facts though this guy is not who they are claiming his true name is Don Bombadildo the notorious bumble bee abuser.
You don’t understand. This is will be the origin story for how Tom got his iconic boots and feathered hat (spoiler - the harfoot girl boss invented them.)😶
Why does Tom look like he's about to torture and interrogate a homeless person sitting in a chair? Amazon's poor attempt to adapt Tolkien's works to a TV series give the impression that they view Tolkien's works with contempt and a belief that they can do better. I won't judge anyone for enjoying the show, but I do find the "don't care/the more middle-earth content the better" attitude with a complete disregard for quality to be indicative of crass consumerism, and, frankly, to be an orcish attitude.
They probably have TB looking drab & serious in-series because he hasn't met Goldberry yet. This will check another "subverting expectations" box by having an unlikeable TB *become* "who he is" by the love of a good woman.
'fans would love to see Tom on screen' that is RoPs first incorrect assumption. Second is thinking they can make him work narratively when Tolkien himself couldn't 😑
The only aspect of your analysis I here disagree with, is the fact that Tom Bombadil is not important to the story (Lord of the Rings). In saving the Hobbits from the Barrow-white, their journey would have ended there. Tom's intervention is hugely important in this capacity.
the costume designs in this show are so consistently uninspired. numenor, the elves, the harfoots, and now bombadil, have all been horrible. it all just looks like some generic fantasy. someone please throw a bag at ngila dickson. also my first thought upon seeing the bombadil pictures is that he's not smiling in any of them, so i'm already skeptical. dude is basically the santa claus of middle earth and i don't think they're gonna portray that vibe.
About old tom, they make a silly show
Tom just laughs and sings
He sees and hears the Withywindle flow
Concerns himself with green and leafy things
Goldberry awaits him, the merry fellow
Unimpressed by the dirty amazon river
It doesnt make his boots any less yellow
He skips on home and sings a song, bezos give shim no shiver
Ringading dello.
Ok ok it sucks but i just whipped it out on the spot haha
lol! Not bad actually.
Very good really!
I like it! It lifted my heart from the dread of RoP and made me laugh! 😄
I’m sure you got closer than Amazon will, by a mile.
@@circedelune for sure. But thats a really low bar... If i would have let my cat walk across the keyboard 3x and then pressed "reply" there would probably have been something more sensible than amazon can make 🤣
I love that this channel is factual and without the rage bait.
Even in a good adaptation by talented people who care deeply about the lore, I would be worried about the inclusion of Tom Bombadil, simply because he seems so hard to adapt to film.
And Rings of Power is not a good adaptation by talented people who care deeply about the lore. It is the polar opposite of all those things.
Amazon: „Is there any other iconic Tolkien character we could screw up? Oh wait, what about Tom Bombadil....“
OH how funny and ORIGINAL!! 😂…
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@@Golden_Rule_Truthwhy are you so upset?
Its a mystery box, they can’t help themselves. Its all they know.
But unless they get even worse and start following the new Russell Davies method, they'll have to put something inside the box and there's no way they'll get it right in any way.
TBF, "Mystery Box" isn't ALWAYS bad. *_LOST_* had several really great seasons and that show is basically "Mystery Box The Show"
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1) it's not a feature, it's how it's used or abused.
2) hm. I knew there was a reason I never watched Lost.
I wasn't sure before if the ROP showrunner were talentless hacks. They want to add Tom? Now I am quite sure they are talentless and clueless hacks...
They are right Tom Bombadil doesn’t have an agenda…….but Amazon does
RoP is a corruption of Tolkien.
Does that mean Jeff Bezos is Sauron?
I wouldn't mind inclusion of Tom Bombadil in a Tolkien adaptation. Only these writers/showrunners have shown us already that they're not very capable. Bombadil is a very difficult character to include and others have avoided him for a reason and these people should probably be the last ones to attempt to. If they pull it off it will be one of THE biggest upsets
I can't help but to imagine 15-20 yrs from now, speaking to someone in their 30's about LOTR...and this show being their only knowledge of Tolkien 🙄...no...just...no
The original trilogy will never die
I doubt anyone will remember this show in 5 years, let alone 15-20.
That is what the people behind this want. They said in an interview before the first season aired that they wanted this to be the entry point for a new generation, just like the films were an entry point before them.
There is another way of looking at it.
RoP has given lotr more PR that all the money in the world could buy, I'm sure this show is going to make thousands of people that would otherwise never care, look up the original work and become Tolkien fans.
I think Twin Peaks is one of the best TV shows ever made, but if it were not for the fan-hated season 3 from 2017 or something, I would probably never have watched the original.
This is actually fanless-fiction character Bomb Tomidill. Much like this show, it has no bearing on the real characters or the story of Lord of the Rings.
And just like the show, the end result is a huge mushroom cloud followed by a crater where content used to be.
In the same letter (1954) after he talks about Bombadil, he mentions Sauron burning the Entwives to death in the 2nd age. Tolkien didn't have Tom interfere with the Entwives destruction yet this joke of a show is going to have him push not-Gandalf one way or another? Bombadil is either useful or not. He is more minor in the narrative than Fatty Bulger.
They’ll have Tom and Gandalf play Quidditch with the Enterprise and the Millennium Falcon, just like Tolkien wrote it.
Given the star map that is incorporated into the ceiling of Tom Bombadil's dwelling, I expect that Tom is just getting an extended cameo where he points the Stranger and his companion(s) towards the next stage of their journey.
Appreciate that you brought up the obvious response to these writers labouring how difficult it is to put him in, almost as if they are obliged to and they're victims. They chose to put him in because no-one else did. They want to use him but still pretend they're being put upon.
As a side note, he DID appear in an adaptation. There was a BBC radio series called 'Tales from the Perilous Realm' which was an anthology of Leaf by Niggle, Farmer Giles etc, including a two-parter of Tom, Old Man Willow, through to the barrow-wights. Its beautiful. Look it up!
I posted this on the Trent Report vid on this topic, but I thought I should post it here as well:
Yes, we ought to react to the absurdities and corruptions invented by Payne and McKay with laughter and ridicule. Perhaps we can preserve Tolkien’s sub-creation unsullied. Jonathon makes a great point something to the effect that we participate in the process of sub-creation though our own imagination. I might add that those of us who cherish Tolkien try to imagine things as congruently as possible with what the Professor actually wrote.
However, it doesn’t seem right to say that Bombadil didn’t care about anything. Shouldn’t we rather say that he simply didn’t care for exercising power over other living beings? Who knows, well Tom is a mystery after all. Anyway, it seems the madmen they call showrunners may make Bombadil into one of the Blue Wizards, and maybe the Stranger is a Blue Wizard after all, despite his absurd borrowing of the movie phrase “follow your nose.” In the childishly simplistic thinking style of Payne and McKay it must seem like some kind of brilliance to imagine that if Tom has a pointy hat and a blue-ish coat he must be one of the Blue Wizards. That Tom could be one of the Maiar is certainly one of the most plausible of possible de-mystifications of Bombadil, but he absolutely cannot be one of the Istari. Even less can he be Melkor or can Goldberry be Ungoliant. But Jonathon is right in not putting it past these two jokers
I think I understand how Jonathon feels. I hate “The Rings of Power” but I almost feel obligated to watch it. I’ve got to know what kind of mischief they are making with the mythology I love. And I feel almost “called” to resist it. I’ll be doing what others call “hate-watching” it. But I’ve coined a new phrase that befits my feeling a bit better: I’ll be “curmudgeon-watching” it. That’s me, “The Tolkien Curmudgeon”, and that’s what I call my UA-cam channel, which is about as low-tech as possible considering that it’s just 64-year-old semi-Luddite me blabbing in front of my computer.
Tom looks a little shinny. Is he on Lizzo?
The whole outfit is wrong!! Ffs!!
They can't get anything right!!
Ive never wanted anything to fail more than i want rings of power to fail
Kinda sums up all sorts of fandom.
@@davis.fourohfour ?
The point to Tom is that he has no point
Okay some thoughts. You say Tom Bombadil is kind of limited to his forest and his house and his concerns there and nothing else. But; he at one time was interested and did wander in the wider world. He had many names -how unless he did wander and meet many races? His retreat to Eriador was made closer to the Third Age, as I recall, as a response to deforestation and strife.
He was not a recluse his entire life, and perhaps he was not indifferent to the world until it was absolutely necessary to his peace and survival.
I guess he was a tourist 😆
isn't it kind of implied that he only became a recluse once he met goldberry? and then they just started living in their own world. i don't recall exactly but that's how i remember it
He is "oldest". So surely hasn't been sat in just one spot since before the making of the world.
Imagine failing to do so many characters right in your first season, and then still having the hubris to think you can adapt a character that is actually difficult to adapt to film.
Brian Blessed would indeed have been perfect. In fact I first read The Lord Of The Rings in the early 70's and even back then I heard his voice in my head when Tom Bombadil was speaking or singing.
Maybe Jack black
Why would Bombadil's summer home be in Rhun? The Shire is supposed to be the real Edenic part of Middle-earth
Yeah it makes no sense! Especially since Tom has to be in areas where the people would encounter him to give him his many names :)...Elrond recalls him:
"“ ‘But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is still the same that walked the woods and hills long ago, and even then was older than the old. That was not then his name. Iarwain Ben-adar we called him, oldest and fatherless. But many another name he has since been given by other folk: Forn by the Dwarves, Orald by Northern Men, and other names beside. He is a strange creature, but maybe I should have summoned him to our Council.’"
So the only way it would make sense if Elrond encoutnered him in Eriador! Also one must remember the Second Age sees Eriador as continuous vast woodland! That later got cut down by the Numenoreans exploiting the natural resources!
If Tom HADN'T travelled, how would so many disparate peoples have given him names? He must've travelled.
@@Mallarkey that's the thing he was travelling where those peoples lived...so Eriador, the north-western parts...as there lived all those elves, all those Dwarves and men of the north :).
Another thing...why is Rhun supposed to be any sort of lost paradise edenic etc.? No idea...since it was one of the ordinary mortal lands, and it would be simply a vast land of grassy plains and forests unexplored etc. Rhun is just the designation of the geographic direction...it means simply East :). The specific locations like Sea of Rhun, the Orocarni Mountains far beyond it, there were in the ancient times in the Uttermost East the lost lands where the origin of Elves and Men was, the land of Cuivienen and Hildorien..and I doubt they would be anything other than the rest of Middle-earth lands, each beautiful in it's own right, what the REAL 'edenic garden' would be especially in the Second Age setting...isn't even in Rhun...it would be the gardens of Entwives :)...where later the Brown Lands by the river Anduin were located! :)
@@fantasywind3923 "and many more bedsides"? Eldest I am. Master. In my head cannon he's been around since before even the Firstborn, so surely he didn't just shack up on that spot from day 1 and forever. I'd always imagined he'd probably trodden every inch of Middle Earth (& beyond ?)
Brian Blessed is 87. I think he could have pulled it off in 2001, maybe.
and would have been awesome... and likely would have flatly refused to do anything else than be as close to tolkiens vision as humanly possible.
yes he was brought up in a discussion about who could have played Tom when the movies were being made
"Oh uncool bush! Unloose this passle
Of furry cats that you hassle!
Tho' by speed my brain's destroyed,
I'm not half this paranoid!
So cease this bummer, down the freak-out,
Let caps and joints cause brains to leak out!
These cats are groovy here among us,
So leave 'em be, you up-tight fungus!
They should have gone full Tim Benzedrine.
Just because they can doesn't mean that they should...and just because Tom was canonically in existence during the Second Age doesn't mean he needs to be included in the story 😔
What does Goldberry look like? Please don't destroy them I beg you.
She will be black.
I understand the temptation to include Tom Bombadil, I really do. I love him just as any other LotR fan out there, and I'm sad that he was cut from the Peter Jackson trilogy even though I understand it from an adaptation/screenplay point of view. However. I'd rather never see him on screen than watching him get the Galadriel treatment from Amazon, where the only thing that remains of the character is their name.
Well, whatever, I'm quite similar to Tom Bombadil in certain aspects, so I'll just continue to ignore Rings of Power and occupy myself with my trusty books that won't change just because someone made a not very good adaptation of them.
His choice of words resonates with me as a Catholic: the profound understanding of the meaning of poverty. It's similar to pureness of heart, where the self has so let go of attachment that nothing can cause it harm and it lacks all self interest. Notice too that tyranny is the opposite of kingship rather than of democracy. The rightful function of a king is to provide for the well being of all the people in his realm, free of the conflicts we see in democratic governments. This of course is the ideal, and has inherent dangers when the king is also a tyrant. Our US founding fathers lived this dark reality and devised a constitutional, democratic form of government to prevent just such an abuse of power from occurring. The danger of democracies, as a wise poli-sci teacher once said, is if all the people are wrong.
I think they're doing this so that, ultimately, it's Tom Bombadil who gives the Stranger a blue robe and pointy hat, so the stranger becomes the blue wizard. BET.
But that does not work at all because there were TWO blue wizards! Holy fuck, they are stupid
I will always imagine Tom Bombadil as an acid addled hippie, Tim Benzedrine, as portrayed in Harvard Lampoon's LOTR parody "Bored of the Rings".
Which I read after "The Hobbit", but couldn't quite get into the "Fellowship..." being a preteen at the time.
Before the Scouring of the Shire Gandalf left the Hobbits to go and talk to Bombadil. He did so not only to let the Hobbits know they could take care of themselves, but he specifically stated he wanted a long talk with old Tom who had taken an opposite road to him. Bombadil was the stone staying still and gathering moss while Gandalf was the rolling stone.
What would be the point of that if Gandalf and Tom were already well acquainted? I doubt Gandalf had ever visited Tom Bombadil before, let alone had any major dealings with him.There would have been no point. While he had dealings with the Hobbits he believed in hindsight that was an intuition given to him by higher powers maybe, but there would be no reason for him to have gone out of his way to visit Bombadil at all.
All normal for Rings of Power though. And Jackson for all your revere him too to be honest. Anyone that brings Super Mario and Dune to the Hobbit can hardly be called anything but willfully ignorant of the original stories.
Great stuff! That quote from Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park is one of the best in cinema. Some shame goes to the Tolkien estate for giving up the writes to movie studios. The rest of the shame falls on those who watch and accept the adaptations over the original works of Tolkien. But the quote speaks in the same words as telling us that Tom is not in important character, but we are adding him anyway simply CAUSE WE CAN. Who cares about what we do to the story and the characters, we have the rights to do what we want, and you are going to have to accept it. Thus, we simply get what Jeff Goldblum's Jurassic Park character quoted when he came across sick Triceratops droppings.
They need to defile figures as Tom Bombadil for "THE MESSAGE" sake
What message??
They are literally expanding the mythos on one of the more interesting characters in Toilkens world.
But go ahead and continue festering in utter obscurity and lack of imagination…
@golden_rule_truth no no no hes doing like a dog whistle kinda thing, ya know where people in that echo chamber see "the message" and know what he means
@Golden_Rule_Truth Bomadil is only interesting because he's enigmatic. If Tolkien had made it clear that Bombadil was a Maiar, then nobody would care about him because he's pretty uninteresting and seems to have little power except for song. Tolkien actually said that Bombadil is not an important person to the narrative of Lotr. If he's not important to the war against Sauron in the Third Age, why would he be important in the war against Sauron in the Second Age? This is clearly an attempt to win book fans who didn't like S1 to be swayed by his presence in S2. Judging simply by the wardrobe, it's not going to work
@@Golden_Rule_Truth the projection!!!! From shills no less!!!
The irony of being a fan of something that is going to "fester in utter obscurity" and completely forgotten about and saying that to someone who is a fan of ACTUAL Lord of the Rings and Tolkien 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@@obiwancanoli621 like any woke flop is always other people's fault for not spending money on sh¡t made to lock both fans and lore, you lefty.
Having him in Rhun is not against canon. He was a wanderer before he was not anymore. But there are plenty of concerns to be had on most of what has been revealed
Exactly. Tom wasn't planted in the ground in Eriador until much later.
He lived in the old forest. The worthwhile is the driver who close from the old forest into the Brandywine river
The arguement is that TB represents an "Observer". And Tom is a character that wouldn't be affected by the Ring, because he represents "nature", which in this case may be the over all metaphysical nature as well as the "seen world" physical nature, alllowing him to be something that is somewhat outside of 'space-time', as it were....With that said, it may be that Sauron and whatever is going on with these "mystics" force Tom to play a slightly more signafigant//"key" role because they threaton existence itself, which he is tied to....and therefor he helps The Stranger find something or someone(s) (Other Wizards?!) he needs to avert this. It's clear from the trailer that Tom has been waiting for at least one Wizard to fall given the constellations in his dwelling -- so he impart advise for the (meta) physical universe's sake, just in case....
Thematically, besides Nori (and some of the previous Harfoots), there isn't a lot of "light" or "good-nature" in the story yet. A lot of the characters, even if well -ntended, have serious problems with their family, identity, pursuits, and/or are manipulative in their quests (It's why Sauron can take a good guess on setting things up and why The One Ring becomes so important in terms of how it prays on the worst impulses of the wearer). Tom represents the best part of (human) nature, so if he plays an influnce in the idea that nature needs saved, but it has to be saved in a bit of jest, then he brings that influence into the story and serves as conceptual plot devise to hold up those themes.
In Tolkien's day, Tom Bombadil and his part makes perfect sense. Nowadays it makes less sense and Peter Jackson would not have bothered. Tom Bombadil is the perfect image of a country squire, from bright clothes to yellowish brown field boots - because why wear the black patent leather half Wellingtons when trundling about the fields checking up on the hired labor.
Frodo comes from a village family - and important one, but a village family nonetheless. He encounters, and is approved by Farmer Maggot, one step up from the Baggins. The next step up is Bombadil the country squire, the next step up is Aragorn the knight, thence on to the Kings. What the self styled socialists showrunners would or could make of this aspect of Tolkien's world, well, who can tell.
Kinda ironic that Rory Kinear was asked many years ago if he would take part in Doctor Who (it was the years of the revival) and the question seemed to rub him the wrong way, as if anything nerdy was below him.
Now he embarks in the most disastrous production of something "nerdy", but this time he will step into the ridicule zone.
[cue "curb your enthusiasm" on kazoo]
Nerdy is beneath him, but James Bond is ok apparently 😏
ah what was it Gandalf said? He was a stone doomed to rolling and Bombadil was one who gathered moss. Tom is great. But he is what he is. Set on his own turf, unmoving.
So, how did all the races of the world knew of him and had their own names for him? Lost in the woods a lot?
Tom was there before any living thing. He certainly wasn't originally humanoid. He had been other things, had other lives, had other opinions, long before the LOTR.
We have 8 seasons of this we may as well throw Tom into this . May as well it's the only thing that they actually have the rights to that would actually be around in the second age . Not saying they won't mess it up at least they aren't making up new caricatures.
Five seasons. Four left.
@@davis.fourohfour they were saying 8 at one point I guess they realized they didn't have any idea what they are getting into.
Bombadil is largely an unknown. There are PLENTY of things they couldve done with him and they choose to alter several of the few things we DO know about him
I now expect the highly anticipated galadriel and balrog vs Sauron
I have to say I'm pretty puzzled about what they think they will accomplish with this. . . innovation. I do think differently about Bombadil than you do from the perspective of the books, about which more below. I do agree with you that PJ et al made the right choice in not including him in their adaptation, and I'm unlikely to approve of what use RoP will make of him based on this article, which I also read with a certain disbelief.
I do think that Bombadil is more important than you seem to, and there's a hint in the Council of Elrond that he might have had a larger role in previous ages, or at least a larger land. "He has withdrawn himself into a little land and he will not leave it." (I'm doing that from memory, but it's pretty close to accurate. "Has withdrawn" can be read to say that he did not always occupy only this little land, perhaps tying this with the "time was that a squirrel could go from tree to tree from what is now the Shire to Dunland"
More to the point, do you attribute certain actions to whimsy? I find the gift of the barrow blades to the hobbits to be possibly prescient. We know that Bombadil's knowledge is very deep, as he would seem to be the oldest living being within Middle-Earth, maybe excepting Sauron and the Istari. While I do not subscribe to the notion held by some that he is an avatar or manifestation of Iluvatar, he might know enough of the Music to be led that way.
Finally, from a larger perspective, I'd say that Frodo's moment of doubt in the barrow, his wondering if he could use the Ring to escape leaving the others to die is a pivot point in the story. Without Bombadil, that moment of doubt might end differently, even after Frodo cuts off the wight's hand. The three chapters of Bombadil's part in the story are the beginning of the deparochializing of the hobbits, and in Frodo's case, the beginning of that schooling Sam Gamgee refers to in Book II: "Of course he's had a bit of schooling in a manner of speaking, or he'd just fling the Ring in the river and bolt." Without the Old Forest, Lorien might seem less wondrous, and the forest of Fanghorn might make less sense.
Well, enough, we agree that what Vanity Fair shows us are people who've clearly missed the point, even if we might disagree exactly on what that point is.
14:39 "Yorkshire"?
Berkshire is next to the other Shire he mentioned, Oxfordshire. That's the South.
Yorkshire is basically just South of Scotland, the extreme North of England.
imagine the absolute cringe original songs they're gonna have this man sing
I'm sure it will be up there with great lines such as rocks sinking and ships floating or some such nonsense
Can i get an amen for greg turkington who, using his great wisdom, predicted this bombadil business. Truly one Buff to rule them all.
Obviously they make their decision based of market studies, scouting online for what ppl say they like. I just hope they dony make me a billboard cliché for environementalism and climate change awarness 😂
I heard a theory that Tom Bombadil is Eru Iluvitar in human form thats why hes not corrupted by the ring and not really allowed to help fight against Sauron
Their inclusion of Tom Bombadil is a quintessential example of how The Rings of Power show runners are all about pure exploitation of Tolkien without any real understanding of Tolkien's writings or his characters, just wrong on so many levels. Always love how you folks at The One Ring are always about Tolkien authentically, like all true Tolkien fans, and I love you for it! 🧙♂🌟
It's an age earlier so he could be different BUT... they simply shouldn't do it!!
Is it because we don't want anything new in the legendarium? Neophobia? Tom is tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of years old, perhaps eternal and just living in the junkpile of other Eru experiments until the Valar came. Changeless Tom absolutely ain't!
Eek. Just realised they could fuck up Glorfindel… “Could”?! They WILL fuck him up, precious, yes they will.
Great video, Jonathan
Thanks!
Add an a-letter before Tom Bombadil and you get the situation with The Rings Of Power.
I’ve been guessing that Tom Bombadil was included simply so the show runners could brag that they were the first to adapt him. Recently a CBR shill article popped up in my newsfeed where the title was “Rings of Power Corrects Biggest Mistake from Peter Jackson’s films.”
Guess what that “biggest mistake” was.
Thank god not much was written about the ancient Noldor Elf which by the way they have no rights to The Story Silmarilion I'm talking about Goldor Inglorion. He protects and keeps The Nazgûl from attacking the Hobbits with their elf like ethereal being of the ultimate purity & with great positve exposition on the history that he could trace back to Finrod Feligund back to Finarfin to one of the 3,original Eleves in the awakening of the 1 st born. Finwe the only one of the 3 that answers the call of the Elves to come to Valinor. His brother is my Favorite elf. Over a/ka King Eli Thingol Graymantle.
Tom Bombadil in Rhun? What?
This is sacrilege. At least when people try to portray Jesus Christ on screen they have a sense of holy dread, that often makes performances a bit stuffy, but to try to portray Tom Bombadil's earnest childlike swinging swagger would take a special kind of heart. And these people are light-years away from that.
I see this talked about a lot, but it’s not far fetched.
Take Elrond’s quote for example: “But I had forgotten Bombadil, if indeed this is the same that walked the woods and hills long ago, and even then he was older than the old.”
Elrond has been alive since early in the First Age, so “long ago” likely means pre-Third Age.
This leads me to conclude that Tom was not always confined to the boundaries of the Old Forest. Him being in Rhûn is not ridiculous at all.
Edit: In fact, after some more research, Tom was only confined to the Old Forest in the Third Age
Tom was not rooted to his Forest home since the days before the Valar and the Beginning. He was at home in the world. He retreated to his little unkingdom late in the timeline of Middle Earth as a response to outside events. IE, he changed over time.
OK, that's fair about him wandering.
It's still sacrilege to contemplate portraying him in that show.
You could make Bombadil work in a TV show BECAUSE it's different to film. "An adventure along the way" that means nothing outside itself is perfect for an episodic tv show... but they're not clever enough to do that.
You're kind of wrong here and I'll tell you why: Tom does care!
Have you forgotten that he helped the hobbits, saving them from the barrow-wights? This is a glaring proof that Tom stands for what is good, if that's not already made clear by his lively and joyous behavior. You can't be good and not care for evil, it just doesn't make any sense.
The point about Tom is not that he did not care, but that he was rather unafraid of the troubles of the world because he was unaffected by them: he has an unknown power.
Did you watch the part of the video that covered Tolkien's letter on Bombadil? Tolkien made it pretty clear that Bombadil is not concerned with the wider world. Heck, that's why at the Council of Elrond the idea of leaving the Ring with him was rejected.
@@istari0 That's a valid point; it could mean that Tom is just unbothered with things outside of his close surroundings. But if so, why did he go to the barrow-downs when he did? Why did he answer the call of the hobbits? (Or offered his song to begin with?) Is that in accordance with what a 'self-centered' character would do? Tom would not have accepted the Ring, of course, because he's not affected by it for some mysterious reasons. And him being this mystique figure of great resolve and potency suggests that he has powers of his own - that is why he's not too worried about the wider world: his power is so great that he could bring back the balance if ever it was needed (sorcery of the Unseen World doesn't affect him, remember?).
I would say that if you are in the right of things, that Tom is just this magical, selfish dude that by chance saved the bearer of the Ring out of no real interest, that that would be a fault in Tolkien's work...don't you think it sounds illogical?
@@istari0 Maybe everyone just misjudged him so never bothered to ask 😆
That Jurassic Park clip was pure perfection. That should be clipped and applied to every single piece about this atrocious series
Well Done Sir!
Thanks! It IS appropriate!
Bombadil The Warrior: Coming soon
Brian Blessed is Tom Bombadil! He has the mirth and everything!
Theres a video on UA-cam of all Lord of the Rings characters of prominent actors its A.i generated and Theres a pic of Robin Williams as Tom Bomadil he would have been perfect.
Their Tom looks like blue wizard who they didnt have any interesting idea on how to dress so went with just blue coat and wizard hat. Also in one of these images he looks if he was saying "do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks"
Matt Berry would be a fab Bombadil.
Yes.
Imagine the people who came up with "there is a tempest in me!" trying to write nursery rhymes for Tom Bombadil to say. The horror.
I reckon they'll lift stuff from FotR, maybe with the odd word changed for the particular context.
Season 1 people like Hobbits lets put hobbits in the show.
Season 2 people wanted Tom Bombidil in LOTR lets give them Tom.
This just feels like an attempt at fan service.
Season 1: give people Gandalf look alike
Season 1: Lets make a 🐂 shit story on how mythrail was created.
This video deserves some kinda award. It is excellent!
Thanks! 🙏
Amazon thinks its Tom Bombadil, its actually Tom and Jerry
If the ROP was a good well received series , I would be ok with just a cameo or something
He will be like a super serious Morpheus character helping gandalf finding his path. And then it will be revealed that he is Melkor. 🤭
I guess Jolly Tom was going through some emotional shit or something in the 2nd Age? Dunno. Maybe Goldberry in the 3rd Age (?) puts a smile on Old Tom's face. /#ropshite
I couldn't believe it when I saw it. I mean the nerve!!
Another reason Jackson never took on Bombadil. He's not suited to live action. He's an enigma deliberately inserted by Tolkien as an enigma and nothing else. You may get away with his depiction in animation and it's certainly valid in still imagery but not a live actor. Saying that there's a part of me that's disappointed we'll never see Brian Blessed give Bombadil a shot haha. My God! That guy is a walking, breathing Tom Bombadil lol. Also, Payne's words, he didn't "live in this place called the Withywindle" lol. That's just the name of the river that cuts the Old Forest. That's a statement someone would say who's read ABOUT Tolkiens work, not read the work itself (or at the least someone who knows it).
"We started thinking...." is never a good sign from these people. If they managed to ruin pivotal characters like Galadriel, Sauron, Elrond and Celebrimbor, to name just a few, I can very well imagine the nonsense they'll come up with for Tom Bombadil.
Also, the board is set, the pieces are moving... they are shoehorning Tolkien wherever they think it makes them look impressive
And here I am happy he's not a race-swapped gender-swapped version of Bombadil. But I guess there's still room to do that with Goldberry...
as a trans woman, i will say "hands off my goldberry, she is perfect and inspirational as she is!" Id hate any changes to her even more than changing tom himself. If they make her some sort of girlboss, you will know when i find out, the scream will sound like the bugles of the apocalypse. ^^
@@Kira-zy2ro I would more worry if she will even be she xD Knowing showrunners these days she might end up as black gay male
@@Kishin18 that would be pretty terrible. There is an entire harad to make cool black characters in
Totally with you on how silly RoP is and how they're bastardizing all things Tolkien . . . However, in *reading* the Bombadil narrative, and Tolkien's notes about him, I don't think it's a bridge too far to conclude that Tom *does* care about Nature. In a sense, he almost IS Nature, or elements thereof, personified - primordial, unmoved by earthly affairs, not tempted by power, enormously powerful himself, a communicator with trees, etc.
I don't like RoP trying to shoehorn Bombadil into their crappy show, but if I *had* to do the same, it seems like Bombadil would be a character that, in some sense, represents or personifies the primordial and indifferent strength of Nature.
"We started thinking". If only that were true. I thought they dropped those two doofy showrunners.
Is it a mystery box if it's also a mystery to the writers? If there are actually writers on this, unclear from season one.
I feel like they (Payne and co) have SUBPOENAED Bombadil to appear.
I thought the two show runners could speak elivish🥴, this is real desperation 😢
The Cornish thing is what really gets me, have they ever been to Cornwall? I doubt it as they would notice being called British isn't popular there. “Meea navidna caw zasawzneck” or I will speak no Saxon. Mind you last time the evil racists southerners were Mancunians strange as Manchester is in the North and has showers. The Nobbits were murderous leprechauns and someone had dropped a grand piano on Galadriel. Lets face facts though this guy is not who they are claiming his true name is Don Bombadildo the notorious bumble bee abuser.
No chatacters, places, or things should be featured in rings of power.
You don’t understand. This is will be the origin story for how Tom got his iconic boots and feathered hat (spoiler - the harfoot girl boss invented them.)😶
Why does Tom look like he's about to torture and interrogate a homeless person sitting in a chair?
Amazon's poor attempt to adapt Tolkien's works to a TV series give the impression that they view Tolkien's works with contempt and a belief that they can do better. I won't judge anyone for enjoying the show, but I do find the "don't care/the more middle-earth content the better" attitude with a complete disregard for quality to be indicative of crass consumerism, and, frankly, to be an orcish attitude.
I insist that Tom Bombadil SHOULD be included in RoP. It makes the journey to the dark side complete.
Robin Williams was our Tom Bombadil
Lol every one new hall brand was Sauron it was pretty obvious
They probably have TB looking drab & serious in-series because he hasn't met Goldberry yet. This will check another "subverting expectations" box by having an unlikeable TB *become* "who he is" by the love of a good woman.
'fans would love to see Tom on screen' that is RoPs first incorrect assumption. Second is thinking they can make him work narratively when Tolkien himself couldn't 😑
I swear next season Amazon will have Elrond having an affair with Galadriel and Celeborn. That’s how crazy these show runners are becoming.
It seems like that person knows what Tom Bombadil is about but doesn't understand what Tom Bombadil is about (if that makes any sense)
As much as I admire Tolkien and his work, it's not holy writ.
The only aspect of your analysis I here disagree with, is the fact that Tom Bombadil is not important to the story (Lord of the Rings). In saving the Hobbits from the Barrow-white, their journey would have ended there. Tom's intervention is hugely important in this capacity.
Another hit season from ROP!!!
the arrogance of these brave, powerful, empowered writers is stunning....
Peter Jackson also changed a lot of characters.
Yeah. And I didn't like that either... *cough* Faramir *cough*
Such a shiny blue Jacket
the costume designs in this show are so consistently uninspired. numenor, the elves, the harfoots, and now bombadil, have all been horrible. it all just looks like some generic fantasy. someone please throw a bag at ngila dickson.
also my first thought upon seeing the bombadil pictures is that he's not smiling in any of them, so i'm already skeptical. dude is basically the santa claus of middle earth and i don't think they're gonna portray that vibe.
So they change him into something he isn't, to put him in.