His final comments from about 4:00 are problematic and vaguely condescending. He's implying that there is a problem with us not understanding how God works through natural processes - "in some unspecified way God is behind it...upholding it" etc. First off, all Christians believe this about at least some natural processes, and the Bible actually says it's ALL things (Hebrews 1:3). We can't say exactly how God is involved in, for instance, childbirth, but we believe he is, and yet we also believe it is the result of a biological process - intercourse, fertilization, gestation etc. Yet we simultaneously believe that, God "knit me together in my mother’s womb." He makes this out to be some great problem for Theistic Evolution. It's not.
@Nicht von dieser Welt We're both making assertions. That's my point, which you missed. I guess English is not your first language, which is fine, but you're not understanding what I said.
In conclusion, Theistic Evolution is that macro evolution or Darwinism is the way of God in change and creation. Which is the idea that the book Theistic Evolution is trying to refute.
No, Darwinism is mathematically impossible. The math points to the evidence of intelligent design because the DNA of animals is too complex to be formed randomly. So Darwinism is refuted and the creator is affirmed or in their words "Intelligent Design"
Wow! Great explanation. So either God is deceptive or He created everything through what may appear to be random chaos but was actually divine providence. I believe the latter.
When someone takes so long to set up their premises, you should get a little suspicious. It's like they're trying to keep the answer far away from the question.
Homo luzonensis, fossil remains of at least two adults and one child of a new hominin species found in Callao Cave on the island of Luzon in the Philippines dated to between 50,000-67,000 years old. This discovery was announced in April of this year by a team led by Florent Détroit from the Musée de l’Homme in Paris, France, and it’s exciting not just because it’s a new species, but because of how it changes our earlier understanding of the first hominin migrations out of Africa and into Asia. Homo luzonensis was around at the same time as Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo floresiensis, and our own species, Homo sapiens, but it displays a unique mosaic of physical characteristics unlike any of these other hominins. Some of its features look very ancient - for instance, the small size and simplified crowns of its molars and the 3D shape and curvature of its finger and toe bones look most similar to australopiths - whereas other features of its teeth are more similar to Paranthropus, Homo erectus, and even Homo sapiens!
He states his view in other videos. He’s an old earth creationist-he holds the idea the earth is older than 6,000 years old, but doesn’t believe in theistic evolution.
I read on Wikipedia which isn't a reliable source but if the thing I read is true i finally found out that what I believe i feel like I have peace knowing I'm not crazy and other people believe this way and theres not just theistic people and atheistic people also this guy did not explain it at all
*says the man who thinks the world is 5000 years old and flat. Rejects science yet enjoys its luxuries everyday.* What an entitled and ignorant child you are
Evolution seperates the natural from the spiritual, which can't be done. The inner me is not the real me. The real me is all of me, body, soul, mind, the whole thing. Adam didn't just introduce the second death, the first death would have to be introduced for the second to be possible. In order for evolution to explain "how" God created, you have to remove an aspect that Adam's sin introduced, which is physical death. Christ died physically and was forsaken on the cross to restore all of what Adam introduced. If we separate the two, we are becoming gnostic. Jesus took on our physical form and physically died to defeat the physical death Adam introduced through the fall, the death we all inherit and will inevitably face. Attached to that is also spiritual death apart from union with God. Adam's introducing of physical death in the fall refutes evolution.
There's no evidence for a soul. There's no evidence of Adam. There's no evidence of Jesus raising from the dead. All you have are claims, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Which no theist has ever brought to the table. All you have is faith.
@@archangelarielle262 Evidence is in Bible, people saw resurrected Jesus, that's on the four Gospels, they're eyewitness accounts. You can disbelieve all you want, but saying there is no evidence is incorrect. Remember, if it was truly not so, it would have been debunked back then. Any claim of resurrected Jesus, would been proven false by showing dead Jesus still in His tomb. Tomb itself being empty alone would not however prove resurrected Jesus, nobody came in conclusion that Jesus is back to living just because tomb was empty. That's why Jesus appeared to people who saw Him dying. And the eyewitnesses will to suffer death and imprisonment for what they saw prove that they were not lying. They had nothing to gain, but everything to lose, by continuing telling Jesus is alive. And it was not mass hallucination. Skeptics may say it's mass hallucination as natural explanation. Yet the odds of multiple people seeing same hallucination at the same time in same duration of 40 days seems to be supernatural miracle, that it would be simpler just to say what they saw was real.
You are now into the realm of human constitution, a whole other dimension of theological debate, you are saying that monism is true, monism is that humans are physical, mind, and spirit in one inseparable being, i urge you to research this further, it is crucial to a Christians philanthropic understanding
@@archangelarielle262 The Big Bang is a theory Evolution is a theory The beginning of life as we know it is simply a theory Theories are educated guesses. All you have are these guesses. Just because something has more proof does not mean it’s necessarily true. Look back and see all of the things that scientists now question or have been disproved entirely such as spontaneous generation and uniformitarianism. Even our laws of physics are broken in black holes. It’s so arrogant to think that everybody should believe the same thing you do, or to try to disprove others beliefs through circular reasoning. Where did life come from? We don’t know, we are unintelligent compared to a possible god, we’ll never know. All you have is circular reasoning, the religious have faith and you have flawed logic. This argument will never have a defined winner because there simply is no proof. There is a pocket of ignorance that humans will try to make sense of, that’s just the way of our species. But we won’t know until we die what truly happens.
Its a "god in the gaps" idea. Take Atheist evolution and wherever you have a question put God as the answer. Other than that they only reply with "its complicated" or a circle of questions to try to make us rethink our question.
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His final comments from about 4:00 are problematic and vaguely condescending. He's implying that there is a problem with us not understanding how God works through natural processes - "in some unspecified way God is behind it...upholding it" etc. First off, all Christians believe this about at least some natural processes, and the Bible actually says it's ALL things (Hebrews 1:3). We can't say exactly how God is involved in, for instance, childbirth, but we believe he is, and yet we also believe it is the result of a biological process - intercourse, fertilization, gestation etc. Yet we simultaneously believe that, God "knit me together in my mother’s womb." He makes this out to be some great problem for Theistic Evolution. It's not.
@Nicht von dieser Welt Yes there is. (see how easy it is to make assertions?)
@Nicht von dieser Welt We're both making assertions. That's my point, which you missed. I guess English is not your first language, which is fine, but you're not understanding what I said.
Nicht von dieser Welt He made an assertion just like you have, it’s balanced.
i sensed it also, it was condescending. like he was mocking it.
@@ChipKempston everything in the Bible is fictional garbage stolen from other religions.
In conclusion, Theistic Evolution is that macro evolution or Darwinism is the way of God in change and creation.
Which is the idea that the book Theistic Evolution is trying to refute.
No, Darwinism is mathematically impossible. The math points to the evidence of intelligent design because the DNA of animals is too complex to be formed randomly. So Darwinism is refuted and the creator is affirmed or in their words "Intelligent Design"
Wow! Great explanation. So either God is deceptive or He created everything through what may appear to be random chaos but was actually divine providence. I believe the latter.
Neither of these is true. Random chaos appears to be in Your mind 🙂
@@Genesis-ij7hf damn so you know how the universe was created and why? please share more of your infinite wisdom!
Just tell me what it is bruh
Perhaphs, God Created Man to Evolve in his image?
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When someone takes so long to set up their premises, you should get a little suspicious. It's like they're trying to keep the answer far away from the question.
It is basically the idea that God allowed evolution because he controls the laws of nature which is true
All organism including us are created to evolve
Actually, we are created to adapt.
That depends on your definition of "evolve"
Homo luzonensis, fossil remains of at least two adults and one child of a new hominin species found in Callao Cave on the island of Luzon in the Philippines dated to between 50,000-67,000 years old. This discovery was announced in April of this year by a team led by Florent Détroit from the Musée de l’Homme in Paris, France, and it’s exciting not just because it’s a new species, but because of how it changes our earlier understanding of the first hominin migrations out of Africa and into Asia. Homo luzonensis was around at the same time as Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo floresiensis, and our own species, Homo sapiens, but it displays a unique mosaic of physical characteristics unlike any of these other hominins. Some of its features look very ancient - for instance, the small size and simplified crowns of its molars and the 3D shape and curvature of its finger and toe bones look most similar to australopiths - whereas other features of its teeth are more similar to Paranthropus, Homo erectus, and even Homo sapiens!
In all his talk, I don't think he ever mention his belief. I don't know what he really believes.
He shouldn’t. He’s just telling what it is
He states his view in other videos. He’s an old earth creationist-he holds the idea the earth is older than 6,000 years old, but doesn’t believe in theistic evolution.
You believe in a god in a sky this guy is just stating facts
@@Lucciii32 Sorry friend Stephen C Myer is a Christian who also believes in that sky God!
if Dawkins were an alien he would see a driverless car and exclaim that humans do not exist!
I read on Wikipedia which isn't a reliable source but if the thing I read is true i finally found out that what I believe i feel like I have peace knowing I'm not crazy and other people believe this way and theres not just theistic people and atheistic people also this guy did not explain it at all
have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube
I have. Good shit.
Atheism is: Irrational
Evolution is: Fiction
Theistic Evolution is: Heresy
Fr? Explain then the supposed scientific evidence for evolution
*says the man who thinks the world is 5000 years old and flat. Rejects science yet enjoys its luxuries everyday.*
What an entitled and ignorant child you are
Says an idiot who talks to them selves at night……. Nobody can hear you 🤡
You’re just simply in denial
Atheism is: simply a position
Evolution is: a biological fact
Theistic evolution is: like theistic gravity or theistic electromagnetism.
Time over change
Evolution seperates the natural from the spiritual, which can't be done. The inner me is not the real me. The real me is all of me, body, soul, mind, the whole thing. Adam didn't just introduce the second death, the first death would have to be introduced for the second to be possible. In order for evolution to explain "how" God created, you have to remove an aspect that Adam's sin introduced, which is physical death. Christ died physically and was forsaken on the cross to restore all of what Adam introduced. If we separate the two, we are becoming gnostic.
Jesus took on our physical form and physically died to defeat the physical death Adam introduced through the fall, the death we all inherit and will inevitably face. Attached to that is also spiritual death apart from union with God. Adam's introducing of physical death in the fall refutes evolution.
Yet all of what you just stated is false fairytales made up, grow a pair of balls and think for yourself
There's no evidence for a soul.
There's no evidence of Adam.
There's no evidence of Jesus raising from the dead.
All you have are claims, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Which no theist has ever brought to the table. All you have is faith.
@@archangelarielle262 Evidence is in Bible, people saw resurrected Jesus, that's on the four Gospels, they're eyewitness accounts.
You can disbelieve all you want, but saying there is no evidence is incorrect.
Remember, if it was truly not so, it would have been debunked back then.
Any claim of resurrected Jesus, would been proven false by showing dead Jesus still in His tomb.
Tomb itself being empty alone would not however prove resurrected Jesus, nobody came in conclusion that Jesus is back to living just because tomb was empty. That's why Jesus appeared to people who saw Him dying. And the eyewitnesses will to suffer death and imprisonment for what they saw prove that they were not lying. They had nothing to gain, but everything to lose, by continuing telling Jesus is alive.
And it was not mass hallucination.
Skeptics may say it's mass hallucination as natural explanation.
Yet the odds of multiple people seeing same hallucination at the same time in same duration of 40 days seems to be supernatural miracle, that it would be simpler just to say what they saw was real.
You are now into the realm of human constitution, a whole other dimension of theological debate, you are saying that monism is true, monism is that humans are physical, mind, and spirit in one inseparable being, i urge you to research this further, it is crucial to a Christians philanthropic understanding
@@archangelarielle262 The Big Bang is a theory
Evolution is a theory
The beginning of life as we know it is simply a theory
Theories are educated guesses. All you have are these guesses. Just because something has more proof does not mean it’s necessarily true. Look back and see all of the things that scientists now question or have been disproved entirely such as spontaneous generation and uniformitarianism. Even our laws of physics are broken in black holes. It’s so arrogant to think that everybody should believe the same thing you do, or to try to disprove others beliefs through circular reasoning. Where did life come from? We don’t know, we are unintelligent compared to a possible god, we’ll never know.
All you have is circular reasoning, the religious have faith and you have flawed logic. This argument will never have a defined winner because there simply is no proof. There is a pocket of ignorance that humans will try to make sense of, that’s just the way of our species. But we won’t know until we die what truly happens.
A heresy lol that's what theistic evolution is.
@Ναζωραῖος Not at all. It's provided me a bridge back to faith.
It’s not its the truth. Genesis is symbolic not literal.
Ναζωραῖος no it doesn’t destroy, it adds to the belief. open your mind and learn to listen.
So are you saying that God can’t make evolution???
Not heresy at all...
Nonsense
What is theistic evolution? Utter bullocks!!
Its a "god in the gaps" idea. Take Atheist evolution and wherever you have a question put God as the answer. Other than that they only reply with "its complicated" or a circle of questions to try to make us rethink our question.