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Installing the new ABB Electric Vehicle Charging Point
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Installing the new ABB Electric Vehicle Charging Point
Join Oscar and me as we fit the new ABB Electric Vehicle Charging Point at my house and see what it's like!
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Oscar is like a sponge, he is soaking in all the information that is given him. Great apprentice!!!
Yep great guy!
@@artisanelectrics it's nice to see an apprentice who gets treated correctly and nice to see how keen he is. Also he's very lucky to be working for the best of the best. What a privaledge 👍
I bet he is able to spell privilege better than I 😂. Correct now 👍
What information??
I laughed when you took out all the screws- done that often. But I remember as a young phone engineer all phones had two screws on top. Went to a brand new wall phone , took out top screw and yanked off cover. Bottom broke off as it had a screw at bottom but right at back. Learning experience. Good apprentice asking first! He wont take it off wall before disconnecting again.
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Can I sign up not pay for the training course and still get the £5 Greggs voucher
The training course is free
That must be the world record. Most EV chargers installed in a residential house
@@Sculptoroid I do not know what the fuss is all about all my cars are electric I have 3 BMW's 1 Mercedes Benz 4 mini coops all have there own charging points run on AA Cells
When its fitted Jordan don’t forget to plug your car in 😜 someone had to say it, shame you didn’t move it up just 30mm and covered the old holes
LOL
he coundnt have moved it up , theres too many holes there , didnt you see? if he moved it 30mm the holes would be in the way of the previous holes and damage the brick and leave a loose fixing
THANKS LOL
@@cocoino2307 lighten up love it was a joke
@@cocoino2307 and that charger won't be staying. It'll swapped out for the next demo unit...
You should teach Oscar never to trust someone's word for the power being turned off, he should have checked that himself before he ripped in to removing the box from the wall! But really pleased to see you taking on an apprentice, It's the best way to learn.
Thnks he did check it with his test leads
@Ellis The DJ I was paying attention, my comment was more about Oscar physically looking to see that the breakers were indeed off before he took the unit off the wall.. he didn't test anything until the unit was dangling by its cables, if this unit had been incorrectly installed and the wires not tightened down it could have been a horrible situation if he had assumed the power was off, especially given he had not taken the covers off the unit first and instead took the unit off the wall.. My point is never to assume anything. In the industry I work in (live events) we deal with 3rd party power providers all the time in conference centres and exhibition venues around the world, and sometimes its better to check things with your own eyes. its something I teach my techs that I train up.
love your patience and taken on that young man they are the future
Fair play you are a good teacher to the boy. He's lucky to have such a good teacher. When i was apprentice, i worked for a right knob. Screaming and shouting all the time. Made you feel stupid for asking questions and ruined my confidence. Luckily after i came out of my time I went to a different firm and excelled when i got my confidence back. If I had stayed there i would have jacked electrics. Keep it up young man. Doing a cracking job.
I love the Wallbox kit for the loadbalancing. in NL most homes have 1x35 or 3x25amps. The kit comes with a loadbalancing unit for the consumerunit. It measure all demand by the house and leaves a little margin. The charger gets this data and then charges as much as it can without popping any main fuses. Small unit aswell. A lunchbox is bigger. Up to 30kw I think. Neat little unit. Only issue I have with it is that it only has one gland for the powerfeed. No extra for the signal wire to the loadbalancer.
Hey @Deiphobuzz, Ik heb hier nu ook een Terra AC wallbox liggen. Kan je me vertellen hoe jij de load balancing hebt aangesloten op de slimme meter? Als ik het goed begrijp heb ik iets nodig dat de 1P poort van de meter omzet in een Modbus rs485...
Very intuitive young Man you have there. He's gonna do extremelly well in our trade.
THumbs up for Oscar :)
Love the hold it to the wall with your head move.
😂
From the QR code for the ABB Install .pdf - page 65, Section 11.5.1 says upstream protection is required, RCD type A 30mA +MCB or RCBO.
Just had visions of Oscar taking his brand new shears to the load side of the charger 😂 obviously at 30x speed 🤪
OOPS
6:18 Jordans face as he just passes the camera😂
I think a bit more information and how to use his voltage tester is defiantly required . After all he is learning.
A few pointers for the young apprentice 💪
NEVER take someone else’s word that a circuit is safe to work on. Think about how YOU know that YOU are safe to work. Next time consider carrying out safe isolation yourself and you ‘owning’ your safety.
Wear gloves. Protect your hands.
Get Jordan to get you a jacket. You should not be needing to wear your own jacket in order to keep warm at work.
Great attitude though and enjoy.
he did test the circuit btw just to point out
I agree with everything you said though
ABB chargers are used at the new Gridserve Electric Forecourt near Braintree. Thanks for the video! 👍🏻
Cool
I was waiting for you to refer to the table lamp with the huge lamp in your hand...
Good to see you have an apprentice - Oscar continue to question everything , there's a ton of free knowledge with Jordan and Cory - everything from correct terminology to how to get the client to put a brew on pronto.
I'll repeat what I said for the Tesla wall connector install video. It was fine drilling holes in the brick for the first charger, but after that it would be neater to use a mounting panel between the brick and the charger. You could attach the mounting panel using the original holes and then drill new holes in the panel to mount the charger.
Also, having 0.5m of cable slack when installing a charger may be a helpful practice going forward. You were smart to not cut the excess length of the 3 wires because you knew that you would need it when you put your original charger back. But, if this ABB charger was the first charger that you installed on the wall you probably would have cut the wires much shorter inside. If the ABB failed and you wanted to replace it with a Zappi then your cable would have been too short unless you left external slack. WIth these chargers being outdoors in the elements I wouldn't be surprised if they have to be replaced every decade or so.
Maybe these charger companies should have adopted a similar standard to the TV mounts, vesa, before they all run wild and did there own thing, that way inter changing would have been mess free, neater and easier for future replacements.
Think you really need to supervise your apprentice.
We have a site that testing EV chargers, we installed a two inch thicks 30x60cm wooden broad on the wall for mounting differnet types EV chargers for evaluation, so don't need to drill the wall everytime we change an EV charger.
I don't know, when I used to manage people and they were being trained on a new job it was: monkey told, monkey see, monkey do.
So explain the job, show them how to do the job and supervise them doing the job until they got it right.
Not; "you do that while I go and chat over here".
Depends on the apprentice I think. I got thrown infront of the lions when I started. But I was a bit older and had a few years of experience as a mechanic. After 4 weeks i was pretty much left on my own for 95% of easier jobs. Lighting, cable routing etc.
I get an apprentice every couple of months. Most of them dont even know how to hold a screwdriver. Thats OK, they are here to learn. But most of them don't exactly have the will to learn either. This bloke seems to focus, asks questions before doing anything. When in doubt, he stops and asks. Fine to leave him on his own. I feel like they trust him enough to stop when he needs to.
Great you left Oscar to it. He will have learnt to take the cables out first. Then take it off the wall. Before fitting the ABB one. 😁👍
Hi artist, not really a good handyman, but...with a bit of practice let's say a few years! You made me laugh. Thanks a lot.
Poor Oscar was doomed from the start when he unmounted the charger from the wall before disconnecting the wiring, but it's all a good learning experience. My tip to Oscar would have been, whack out your phone and Google the installation instructions, then follow them in reverse.
Looks solid and well built. The cable clamp looks pretty useless tho, almost like you’d have to put unnecessary strain on the connections if you were to use it
True
We Use ABB big invertors at work and alot of the cable clamps are like that too close ...certainly not designed by installers...some pen pushing mouse clicking desk jockey ...that like the way it looks on paper ..
Never underestimate people's creativity in breaking stuff...
@@mwkoskamp1 😂😂😂
Very good! Nice work!
the ABB changer looks like budget industrial equipment
at 18:31 is there any small gaps of air? , I would some waterproof sealant to cover it
Shouldn't Rawl plugs be manufactured in brick red, so that when they get exposed they'd be less obvious?? Manufacturers, feel free to send IP royalties for the idea ;)
Worked in a listed old dock building converted to luxury flats, original brickwork all cleaned down, dragged a load of tool boxes in to fix pictures and shelves, each time passed the security bloke, and he didnt say anything except hello, set up tools and marked positions, knock on door, building manager, told me not to drill walls as all moveable stuff would need wall plugs and nobody made brick coloured wall plugs, so as part of the lease wall plugs and drilling the wall where banned, except for stuff that was going to a permanent fixture. NOT HAPPY. Packed up tools and walked away.
You know how many shades of red bricks there are in use, not to mention the other colours of brick.
@@acelectricalsecurity let's face it, it doesn't need to match the bricks. Just a nice range of mid brick red, slate grey, and sandstone, would work for most jobs and never be as eye catching as the ever-available pillarbox red...
Good to see Oscar rocking his new snickers trousers, Can't imagine sparking without them !!
Yeah they are awesome!
Adaptable box comes to mind with the looks of that thing
Exactly 👍
His training is coming along nicely, I was going... check, check, check at the monitor. Then he checked :D
21:30 your phone battery being so low and not on the charger I was just thinking I guarantee it dies during filming that part 😂
Haha yeah
In Australia its generally referred as Active Neutral and Earth unless dealing with 3phase where L1 2 3 come into play.
You need chargers with a velcro fixing the rate your swapping em ...😏
The ABB and Zappi chargers work out about the same price after including penfold protection by the looks of it? What are the reasons for using the ABB, which is a bit utilitarian looking and untethered?
Sent it for free for testing.... I think Jordan has installed quite a few ev chargers at his home to test before recommending his favourites for work installs...
Jordan you could do with some sealant around that window
Snsible people would have introduced the cable through the gasket first and then establshed the height required for the box before drilling the holes to mount the case ....
Good effort for a first solo flight Oscar!
You need to get a nice piece of treated oak or similar to cover that cheddar brick work with the amount of holes your drilling. 👍👍👍👍
Shame it didn't come with a backplate like the old one,never did like the key hole method 👍👍
Reverse the gland, ie have it protruding into the enclosure, if there is room of course, not seen one of those ABB evse units.
I see now not enough room inside either, surprised as ABB are a massive engineering/electrical producing company.
Very funny! Oscar was trying to take off from a brick. He didn't think to cover off first. Great apprentice!!! I wondered. Has Oscar met eFixx yet? He (eFixx) will teach him. I love to watch videos. Thumb up!! Cheer!
I like the fact that it has PHYSICAL ethernet. None of that wifi rubbish!
Omg cable on the outsite!!!!
Oscars learning, great to watch.
Same true blue snickers trousers as me 😃 he’s doing well so far I’d say lol 😆👍🏼
Does the app and device connect via Wifi? What if the charger area does not have a wifi field? Is it possible to use it by bluetooth or smth else by getting closer to the device?
Hi, I have the Terra box installed and it can add to my ChargerSync APP without problem. But when connecting it to ChargerSync on my mobile phone by Bluetooth, my mobile phone ask for a PIN for pairing the Bluetooth. I tried the PIN that ABB comes with the package but it does not work. Any idea what that pin is??
what your opinion on the courses out there to train people with little or no experience to be able to install EV charging point?
I can’t believe poor Oscar was left to disconnect and dismount the Tesla charger with no help or tuition. The poor lad was struggling and wasn’t even sure how his tester worked in order to prove dead. Not impressed with the mentoring. Also perhaps read the instructions for the new device before starting?
Apparently it's the best way to learn, let someone with no experience remove a piece of equipment that costs hundreds of pounds.
And as for those testers, I don't know if they beep to say it's live or dead, the things always seem to make a noise, so the lad could easily get it wrong. I am with you, you learn more from an experienced person.
@@acelectricalsecurity they beep when the supply is dead
@@BenCos2018 do they, I thought it would be the other way around, either way I will stick to my fluke T6, not a fan of kewtec
@@acelectricalsecurity yep they do
It is defn a bit backwards in my opinion tbh
@@BenCos2018 yeah, my Megger mft beeps to warn of power being on,
how does load balance works with this charger it says that it has integrated energy meter
Yes taking stuff apart is it’s own learning experience we have to reverse engineer with the engineered because most likely you won’t have the manual. pay close attention to where everything is, take pictures of everything before disconnecting just in case you need to put some thing back.
I know you like good tools, have you seen the Presch Ferrule Crimp tool on Amazon? Proper ratchet ferrule crimps for less than £20.00. Seemed to good to be true at that price but they are good.
You have a wall full of holes why not fit test equipment on a tempery board
Temporary?
Hello does the app/charger have an option for open access? That is no authentication by rfid/app etc just pick up, put it in and it start charging?
Poor Oscar.... I proper felt sorry for him, you guys deserted him 😂. Think I still prefer the look of the Zappey charger if I’m honest, great video guys as always
Great video swiss cheese comes to mind lol poor wall all the best
Yeah, just sit in the car and let him get on with it. A bit of supervision and support would be helpful.
O meu não veio com a etiqueta com PIN. Como faço pra recuperar?
Do the phase sequence matter for the 3 phase chargers or you can connect any phase to A, B and C?
Hello, we ordered these Terra AC Box, but the electrician can't install ist because he doesn't find any way to get an Account für Config App. Can you help us: Where can he register??
I am 50 years old and would like to become an apprentice. What are my odds?
Great apprentice! - Who are your vids aimed at, installers or end users? I'm looking to get a charger installed, in North Kent, do you have installers down here
Could you not have put the gland in so it’s inside the charger and bin the cables gripper? Seems a better way to me but depends if it would fit
Could you have fit a stuffing gland on the inside of the enclosure?
Jordan, have you got any plans to switch to an electric van? Be good for the image!
But no good if you actually need to go somewhere 🤣🤣
Yeah would love to I’m not sure yet I’m working things out
One of the PSA Group electric vans (e.g. Vauxhall Vivaro-e) with the 75kW battery?
What difference does it make what van someone drives.
@@timjefferson1886 list price is from £40k to around £47k for van, plus you can only tow about a ton and pay load is similar, the diesel will carry a similar weight but tow more. Vauxhall didn't mention the range in the info.
There is no way I would pay that for a van.
Nice Video good work Oscar. How are you finding the klein screwdrivers have ordered a new set but haven't turned up yet.
I have both the new style VDE drivers and the old style insulated ones. The old style are more expensive, but I find them more comfortable to use. The new style handles are similar to the Wiha drivers and have slim profile blades which can come in handy on occasion.
I'm glad that Oscar got a proper voltage tester.
Quick question - why do you need PEN fault detection on a TN-S system? I get it for a TN-C-S as the neutral is also the PE conductor, but TN-S has a PE conductor as well.
Unless you can guarantee the TNS will never be converted to TNCS you have to do it anyway, some TNS systems are actually TNCS further down the line.
@@artisanelectrics Thanks for coming back to me :) While I appreciate for safety sake, the belts and braces approach, that would suggest that you should then always treat a TN-S as a TN-C-S in that case. If you were to commission an installation that subsequently got converted to a TN-C-S, the DNO would be responsible for ensuring that installations are subsequently safety checked. If your property was approx half way between two substations, would the installation of a ground peg not give rise to a potential between said peg and remote station and end up passing current?
Yeah all the videos I’ve watched where they use a tester to prove dad but then they also have a continuity function it seems counterintuitive to me that it would beep almost louder then when it did with live voltage. It confuses me watching the video because all the testers have a different tone as well for continuity.
There was enough length to cover the old plugs?
Think I saw you recording this as we drove past to get to Addenbrookes last week :)
The apprentice didn't use a proving unit in conjunction with his voltage indicator. Need to instill correct procedure from day one. You should be telling him to never, ever take someone else's word for equipment isolation.
Would have been nice for Oscar to be mentored and shown or instructed how to remove it rather than being left to it. I know he has to learn, but being taught the right way first is surely best. Great second part to video though, nice little charger.
Just had an Eve Pro-Line fit at my house by my employer, interesting units which can link to a back office.
Really don't like the cord grip being so close to the connections, poorly designed. Also the fact a stuffing gland cannot be installed due to the entry is again poor design in my eyes.
Tip If you are going to keep changing units re drilling holes? Buy a PLASTIC bread cutting etc board and fix it to the wall. That means you can then drill holes and use plugs to affix different units whilst only using the original 4 etc screws to fix the board re your wall? I wouldn't use wood etc for obvious reasons, a decent plastic cutting board can be very weatherproof etc.👀👍
Holding that lamp,it reminds me of the famous picture of Nikola Tesla,holding a Mercury vapour,(or similar) & it lighting up in his hand wirelessly 😉
I think this ABB charger is your first one with a socket ? What are your views on socketed v tethered ? I have a Mini Wallbox Plus with a socket fitted about 3 months ago for my wife's Cooper SE electric here in France. It’s never worked properly...often comes up with error message, “cannot lock cable” and so it won’t charge. I suppose that’s less likely with a tethered charger ? The other big problem is that it takes about 3 times longer to charge than it should...14hours v 4.5. I don’t suppose it’s been set up for 3 phase in error? Any thoughts ?
Yeah I always prefer tethered charge points for that very reason. Also means you don’t have to get the cable out of the boot every time you want to charge. For the Mini Cooper SE I think it’s limited to 3.5kW so you won’t get a full 7kW charge speed even if you have a 7kW charge point, it’s the same with the VW E-Up and quite a few other vehicles with small batteries
I was thinking today why did I buy insulated tools when we should only work with the power off. I did work live fitting isolation switches were I had to power off the CU and fit isolation switches were the fuse could not be taken out. Put were always told power off check an re check power is off so why do we pay more ££££ for insulated tools.
I’m surprised at ABB with the glanding options and angles. It’s asking for water ingress with people having to come up with alternative install ideas rather than a flat square surface to either bottom mount or read entry into the enclosure.
You can also put the gland in from the inside of the charger if there's enough space in there. Doesn't matter which way around, ingress protection will be the same. But actually you're supposed to cut a proper sized hole into the rubber plug and put the cable through it. I'm not a friend of this method, because too many people cut a too large hole or an X into it and the IP rating is gone then.
@@Marcel_Germann can’t with an armoured though only a compression gland
@@c8bbr SWA is a british thing only. Here in Germany we would use our old reliable NYY-J for this. Or NYM-J with additional sun protection.
Good video, but should have been mounted up on the upper existing wall plug line, would have looked much neater, covering existing holes.
If you put the gland on the inside would it fit eg facing inwards
More info on Live/Line naming of conductors and the history of it , by John Ward at ua-cam.com/video/UEtUwKcRYss/v-deo.html
Definitions changed in 1981 and 1997.
As always, any wire that is supposed to be near earth potential, such as PE or neutral, may become dangerous to touch if a fault occurs (e.g. broken path to earth through N, PE or PEN conductors).
Surely you’d move it up to hide the old wall plugs??
Next time put a weather proof plate on the wall where you mount the chargers on. No need to drill extra holes in the wall when changing the chargers.
Good idea!
1 inch higher would of hid the three red wall plugs 🤦
recently i have installed 3 of them and would say they are worst , connection terminals are bad quality connector and very little space between the terminal and strain relief
Oscar is a double for the guy that played Sophie’s brother in the tv programme Peep Show 😃
🤣🤣
That was a Baptism of Fire.I know we all have to start somewhere but I think that was a tad unfair on the little bugger
Why did you favor the ABB for the Tesla Charger? Were you unhappy with the Tesla one?
Another interesting video, i think Oscar learnt more by being unsupervised and disconecting stuff , than he would if he had been told unscrew that and that, learn through mistakes, but dont make to many ASK QUESTIONS FIRST.
I would disagree in this instance, the lad should have had one of them with him, especially if he's messing about with live wires, also a bit of guidance and that charger would not be hanging like a swan's neck. There was something interesting in that car to keep both of them occupied.
@@acelectricalsecurity the charger was dead
They'd already disconnected the supply inside the house
@@BenCos2018 I know
@@acelectricalsecurity ah ok
I thought you didn't at first
@Anthony Charles, you are correct.
Gotta say the app looks really impressive on this charger. Beats the pod point one which is naff.
Comment régler la borne en heures creuses
Yes give your self a quick boost charge to get you home
Your wall is suffering from the fabled Rawlplug worm! I'd get that treated if I were you! 😉😂
Don’t think the landlord will be impressed
Cannot use solar?
In America the neutral only exists in the Panel , otherwise it is the ground and grounding.as far as the NEC and different if your an EE( electrical engineer)