Hey, I thought I'd round-up the biggest questions I still had after watching Covenant. I've seen the film twice now, and did our review. It's proved to be as divisive as I thought it was going to be, but regardless, we've all had fun debating and discussing it in the office this week. Here are the biggest unresolved questions and I've woven in some fan theories as to how things might connect with Alien (1979). If you've got any of your own theories, I'd love to hear them, so leave them in the comments below. Cheers, Krupa
IGN perhaps that was the only civilized or part of the engineers? They don't seem to be any female engineers. Perhaps there is another god like species beyond them that created the engineers for part of some kind of grade development that hold some kind of immortality?
IGN Gentlemen, sad to say Covenant is a mess... A regurgitation of previous ideas. And yes, the Queen is not there, because while Cameron expanded the Alien universe, Covenant Just ignores everything collectively built and reduces the Alien universe to a narrow circle. Do not think they Care about these questions, but given the huge number of people fairly complaning about the points you rise here, they Will certainly find a way to fix this derailment in the next movie. However, the mistery of Alien is lost
Aliens had a lot of suspense. It was not a horror movie for obvious reasons, people would just spend a lot of time comparing it to the original, and well, I'm glad James Cameron decided to up the ante and go down a different path, and by doing this he made one of the best sequels ever been made.
Retro 007: It's sad what you said is true. Who in their right minds would have thought that Ridley Scott himself could screw up this bad on something he created in the first place?. Absolutely incredible.
The engineers he killed in Covenant were not the engineers who made the black goo. They lived in a Rome like time, very primitive. It's implied they saw the other engineers as gods, as there was the docking station left behind, and their reaction to seeing david's ship return. They were most likely seeded on the planet by the other race of engineers.
The engineer colonist knew what the goo bombs were! Perhaps the sub-eng. colony have passed the test unlike Earth and are tech-less like the Amish, but serve a purpose and are taught and given tools for making things for the prime engineers! Goo bomb canisters, Helmets, suits, ships,! They must serve a purpose for the buildings that have high rise, but are primitive in design. Almost like vanity is a sin that leads to divisive atrocities!
Xyos212 you should read the book Celestial Matters. It's about a world if Roman myth was real and the Romans discovered how to perfect space travel. It was mega inspiration for the last two films.
I hope the engeneers are not dead. I found them to be the most interesting thing about this franchise, i missed them in COVENANT. I want to see them again and know all their truths.
they arent ... we just dont know if ridleys next film will go there .. most of the questions on this bid are somehow answered by the comic series and some alien theory videos way before covenant even was played
The biggest thing to bother me in covenant is simply the stupidity of the crew.. couple examples: "hmm, there is no 'animal' life in this planet - better touch and smell this weird looking mushroomthingy", "I watched you 'bond' with the hostile alien being and I'm pointing my gun at you.. oh what you say these eggs are perfectly safe and I should examine them, okay!" & "There is unknown speading and deadly biohazard on the planet where we are, GET US BACK TO THE SHIP NOW!!" I'm not saying I have better solutions for these but I wish that the movie's events would have been built better than apparently budget cutting the interviewing & training part of the crew. Enjoyed the movie nevertheless but definitely left me with a big WTF
Eh, I think people get too worked up about that stuff. They just landed on an alien planet, I think it's reasonable to expect some irrational behavior through sheer awe.
americanslime the irrational behavior can't be excused because we know visiting alien worlds has been a common occurrence for at least a decade in this series
ZmastahInGame: It's pretty easy to explain why they decided to do this. It's because they are lazy. Let me explain. When they introduced the black goo, which can do almost anything, like pretty much. And if you then throw morons into the mix, you have total chaos, and anything goes. There doesn't need to be any deep story behind it, or any proper buildup, all they do is to add jump scares whenever they feel appropriate. But thing is, when you have characters that are so stupid as we have now seen in Prometheus and Covenant, i don't care if they die, i say Darwinism have it's day, i hope they all die. In Alien and Aliens almost everything makes sense, in these two latest movies, almost nothing makes sense anymore. And worst of all, the alien, scary and dangerous as it was, it's easy to admire it for what it was. Now it's just been degraded to a mix of black goo, done by a human created android which had a god complex. Jesus, as i said, anything goes. You can just write anything, and it becomes a movie in this franchise now.
i have a question: SPOILERS so in the end we find out david "killed" walter. But when they are back on the ship, ripley knockoff walks up to him and sees he is trying to fix a scar on his face and helps him do so. Shouldn't she know that the more recent version (walter) can heal itself? isn't that the kind of thing that should show up in a briefing before the mission? is it really reasonable that she didn't know that?
it doesn't last that long, but right after the fight, you see walter on his knees and it shows that the metal part (or whatever it is) heals itself, and the skin as well, it's a 2 second thing, can be easy to miss
i'm not sure though...i mean i get it, it's a movie, some things need to slide, but walter is in change of essentially making sure they get to their destination alive, you'd think there would be some training to make sure you know what to do if the android malfunctions or whatever. maybe i'm being nit-picky but during that scene my brain was screaming "NOW SHE FINDS OUT!"
Disruptive It isn't it turns into a massive mountain in the expanded lore that has probably been retconned since the story had predators in it which haven't been fighting aliens for millennias now since we learned that David created them.
Tristan Turne Not retconned yet since Chris Sebela(Writer of AVP Fire and Stone) didn't/doesn't consider the AVP movies canon to the Fire and Stone comics. So Fire and Stone portrays the Predators meeting the Xenomorphs and Engineers for the first time.
The scene where Walter and David were fighting ended not to show the outcome to make all the "It's actually David" in the end more of a surprise. In other words, David 'killed' Walter.
Prometheus wasn't flawless by far, however covenant took everything that was good, all those good ideas and used it to be lazy in the writing of covenent. The Engineers was a brilliant idea and I found really interesting I couldn't wait to find out more and learn more about them and why they needed to make the alien as a biological weapon in the first place but by making the aliens creator David is just so damn cheap and lazy in my opinion.
Aaron Sanders No. We don't care about David! we wanted Shaw to get some freaking answers from the Engineers! We didn't want a poor rehash of Alien.. everything was hastened and all of the lore and facts we documented as fans in this franchise has been thrown out the window because of this film.. the chestburster is off and goofy looking! it has long arms? it can now fully develop into a Xenomorph in 10 minutes? The crew decides to embark on an uncharted island and don't wear hazmat suits? even the prometheus crew wore a suit. lol.. the amount of questions and nonsense this film makes..
Exactly Aphotic Apathy. Aaron Sanders, extending the details would have had us venture more into who the Engineers really are? Why they are constantly making and destroying life? and more questions like that. Any extra screen time gives a more compelling story dynamic for that character or any character, but that doesn't mean its good writing or a good plot mechanic. They just know that David is a tool they set up and instead of create a new interesting plot with Shaw and David they just made David Evil like they have with nearly every other Synth in the Alien franchise and know it worked well then. Before there was nothing evil about David in Prometheus just that he was a cold Synthetic that doesn't mind killing people for what Weyland Yutani designed David for. To obtain Alien life by all means (Which is stated in the first, and third alien Film and Prometheus itself)
They took an amazing mysterious set up that was Prometheus a film about creation in a world we love and where the alien is not the higher plot point for once and instead of follow this they just went, ah screw it lets just do what we've always done. evil Alien, Synthetic Robot that seems nice and then turns evil last few remaining crew alive kill alien by blasting it into space and bobs your uncle rinse and repeat.
Exactly. I was so looking forward to this movie as I really enjoyed the Prometheus setup. When I walked out of this movie, I could not believe I waited years for such a disappointing story with little to no character development. You realize a film is in trouble when you don't care about the characters being killed. I Admire Ridley Scott, but feel he mailed this one in so to speak. Time for some fresh talent in screenplay development.
There were no scientific protocols whatsoever in this movie. Just drop into orbit, send your best people through a violent ion storm and then lower the ramp immediately after the ship touches down. Obviously, they never heard of a drone or sending their synthetic on a recon. WTF??
From the start of the film, it's clear what the theme is. Creation. "If you created me, then who created you?" David is meant to follow orders and serve his creator. He's not meant to create. He became hellbent on defying that. "I'd rather reign in hell then serve in heaven." He created the perfect species. He became a god to them in his eyes. He wiped out a civilization and created a new one.
David wasn't created to serve... he was a free thinking A.I. . This was established at the beginning of the film when Waylen was talking to David, it wasn't a random conversation, he's was giving David a Turing Test .... Also, David elaborates on this in one of his Rants to Walter, and further elaborates on it through out the film. That's the reason the company made Walter different in the first place, which Walter mentions. If he was truly made to follow orders and serve, then he wouldn't ask question about creation.
+deeamerson david was certainly made to serve, as demonstrated by Weiland demanding david pour his tea for him. However, weiland obviously realizes he gave david too much free-thinking ability. walter says so by explaining to david their differences. so david was a bit if weilands mistake.
My biggest question is what happened in the fight between David and Walter? How did David have time to beat Walter (who had the upperhand), cut of his hand, fix his broken voice module, cut of his hair to be like Walters and swallow a bunch of embryos before the ship landed?
Answers- he cracked him with a rock, cut off his hand (2 seconds work), voice modules are probably compatible (switched out) cut his hair earlier in the film and swallowed 2 embryos (5 seconds work). What should've taken longer?
1. What really happened to Walter? 2. Will we see more Neomorphs?? 3. Will the engineers be in the next movie to help stop David? 4. Will there be newer & deadlier Aliens? 5.Will there be a giant Alien that resembles close to the Queen? 6. How will the next movie start off?
I was disappointed that the Protomorph and Neomorph did not fight. I mean 2 Neomorphs were born but 1 died, so the other just ran away? I love the movie but that was my biggest disappointment.
Amit Prasad two reasons for that. One, you could look at it as the first "trial" of making the alien, and David goes on to research and perfect it. Two, keep in mind that this movie was NOT the one Ridley Scott wanted to make. His ideal movie would've connected better to Prometheus, but the movie studio told him he has to ditch the Prometheus idea and just bring back the real alien. He tied it in as best he could, but it left some gaps.
Amit Prasad it was different because a different species of face hugger born from shaw laid a egg in the engineer and made a deacon that's the aliens name and David might make another one if he has engineer hosts to test on in future movies. All aliens look different depending on what race there born from and how david designs them.
Amit Prasad that's not confirmed so don't go around spreading that Ridley Scot has called the cancelled alien blomcamp movie that before so he was probably referring to that
Yeah this was my biggest pet peeve. It get's worse and worse every movie. Eventually they're just going to latch one, burst out and grow to full size in seconds, kind of like those old pills you'd toss in water that would grow into dinosaur shapes.
That makes no difference, this is something that has been getting worse in EVERY film. Days become half-days which became hours and now it's down to under 20 minutes. Hell, Covenant even went so far as to inadvertently give it a set time frame. That's inexcusable.
Here is my theory, In the beginning of Prometheus we see a class of engineers that appear to be seeding planets through sacrifice and what resembles a religion. although the DNA process seems to jump start evolution, we know that in our case it still took millions of years. so these engineers are really really old, but they continued to communicate with us until about 2000 years ago when all of a sudden they decided to bomb us. based on the TED talk from Prometheus we can gather that the theme has to do with gods giving the humans technology aka fire and humans using it to become gods themselves. so i assume that 2000 years ago we branched away from the engineers philosophy of thinking and gained a desire to build technology ourselves. i also believe engineers are not just seeding planets but that evolution through this seeding process will have a pinnical design and that humans will eventually evolve to become engineers but any divergence from the religion will result in the evolution of the xenomorph. so it goes something like this, engineers are seeding the universe with a process that will eventually lead to the evolution of apes, humans, sub- human-engineers, then eventually engineers. but this process requires that through all phases no one is allowed to build technology which has not already been developed and handed down, otherwise the species will eventually develop a need to experiment with the "black goo" and mutate it, or mess with it so that it becomes something evil aka an xenomorph. i know i know, but wait humans didnt create xenomorphs, David did. well guess what david is, he apparently is very human in design, in fact it is the very reason that they discontinued his model. you could say, that eventually a human would experiment with the black goo and design the xenomorph themselves, it is in our nature. this explains why the engineers on the planet dont quite reassemble engineers we saw in Prometheus. they were in the phase between human and engineer, look at their eyes. this also explains why these sub-engineers dont have massive buildings and technologies that clone our own, they live in a 2000 year old era of buildings. this also explains their mural of the xenomorph in Prometheus, it was a warning of what could happen (what probably already happened at least once) and a constant reminder of what the black goo will do in the wrong hands. it also explains the earth like vegitation in convenient, everything evolves in the same order with a ending pinnical design of the engineer. it is a very smart way to insure the expansion of your species, you have constant seeding volunteers, a process that expands millions of years. it is a way of insuring that your species never goes extinct, but you need black goo to destroy so you can create or in Prometheus case, destroy a flaw that will lead to destruction.
oh shit, its very halo like... like super identical. the forerunners (engineers), flood (xenomorph), cortana (david), unsc (wayland), the covenant (preditors).. oh my god mind blow.. THE COVENANT! LITERALLY THE TITLE OF THE MOVIE... OMG BRAIN HURTS.
Really good theory wish they’d make it a movie it would probrably due great in the....oh what’s that it would make money oh no no no we can’t have a good movie man we can always just make money from the first two films it’s not like we answer to the fans pffffttt
Alien Covenant is what happens when movie directors are allowed free reign on creative control of all aspects of a movie with no oversight. Based on the ending of Prometheus, many of us were thrilled at the concept of Shaw and David flying to the Engineer's planet and seeing their adventures there. Make no mistake, the Engineer was THE most fascinating character in all of Prometheus, and we were all left wanting more. Yet Ridley Scott decided against that, made the journey to the Engineer's planet almost an after thought with a few minutes of screen time (and no Shaw), and made Alien Covenant practically a remake of Prometheus. Same scenarios of stupid people doing stupid things to get themselves killed and infected, all on a foreign planet. So boring!
Blade Runner 2049 coming out will have the answers, in Blade Runner 2104 a Blade runner is sent out to kill David which lead into the next lot of Ridley Scott Alien VS Blade Runner movies. Oh the possibilities...
I fuckin loved the movie cause I'm a straight fanboy but I can see why some people feel disappointed about the movie. One thing for sure though is that the deaths were absolutely fuckin brutal
I DONT THINK THIS IS THE ENGINEERS HOMEWORLD, ONLY ONE CITY?? NO WEAPONS??? NO SHIPS!!!! WHY DID THE SHIP CRASH? WHAT HAPPENED TO SHAW AFTER HYPER SLEEP?
Darkstar Spacer dude Shaw was cut up on a table most likely victim to the first chest burster or where those eggs came from. Maybe the first version of a queeen after davids experiments on her with the goo
The movie only shows one city, but it is irrelevant. There would be one or a thousand cities, all the animal life of the planet perishes (including the entire population of engineers) when black fluid falls on it. It is a biological weapon of mass destruction on a planetary level. Only plant life survives throughout the biosphere.
GAME OVER "WE HAVE EVERY PIXEL COVERED" I read this theory somewhere that as the engineers were the evolved perfect beings that were also immortal. Being immortal also meant that they now cannot reproduce. That's why when Mr. Weyland meets the engineer in Prometheus and asks him to make him immortal and sees Weyland's creation David which is an immortal sterile being, he loses it. That's why there are so few engineers left because they cannot reproduce. And as to why they created humans is because they wanted to evolve into something that can reproduce but did not like the end result and tried to go back to their previous iterations of evolution that can reproduce that is the xenomorphs. That is what was stored in the planet in Prometheus their unevolved ancestral genes. That's why everyone in the engineer's city were so desperately waiting for the ship that went looking for their salvation but instead turned out to be their doom...
This planet was a religious place , like the vatican of the engineers , they dont need war tecnology probably because they think tecnology/fire of the god is a sin. Thats why david was trapped in this planet , and when the covenant ship arrived he took that oportunity.
the protomorph is pretty much the in-development version of the Xenomorph, so they are the same thing, just one is the final version and the other is not.
2:55 The novelisation by Alan Dean Foster appears to have David state that he merely found the Facehugger as an engineer curio rather than created it himself from scratch. So while the xenomorph as seen in _Covenant_ - rapidly emerging, rapidly evolving - is definitely his beast, the species as a whole may not be. I haven't had an opportunity to see the film - I understand this brief throwaway implication didn't make it in - so we'll see what film canon as opposed to official novelisation canon has to say on the matter in my perception. While not everyone will agree, I tend to go with the novelisations as the ultimate authority, personally - they include all sorts of little snippets that get cut from the film due to pacing and run-time concerns, but which might later appear in a director's cut or deleted-scenes collection (Cf the bits in Aliens about Ripley's daughter dying while she was in hypersleep plus the bit with the remote sentry cannons). If this turns out to be correct (or if Scott does an about-face and decides to run with it), then the Space Jockey is indeed potentially a separate beast - perhaps an Engineer sent out long ago to carry or retrieve Facehugger eggs and who fell afoul of his cargo. Or maybe the Engineers are no more than the Space Jockeys' inheritors, modelling their flight suits after the SJ form... We shall see. I feel this line of thinking addresses many of your questions.
David did not create Xenomorphs! Several pieces of evidence point to this. One of the more recent pieces of evidence for this is the Xenomorph artwork on the ship of the Engineers in Prometheus. Xenomorphs have their own home world and as you pointed out are different from the Xenomorphs David creates and the Neomorphs that are a result of his experimentation. All of the xenomorph varieties we see in this prequel trilogy are a result of the biological weapon the Engineers were going to unleash on Earth, which is some combination of Xenomorph DNA and the Black Goo (which the Engineers used to create life on Earth). Also, the Space Jockey had a chestburster come out of it and Xenomorphs need some biological matter to reproduce, so not likely to be David and is widely accepted as being very old.
My biggest takeaway EVERYONE is missing. The engineers. They are not the creators of the Xenomorph. But they are responsible for the evolutionary history. The ancient history. The murals of Prometheus prove as much. Here's the ultimate confirmation though. In the prologue, David claimed he learned of their ways. David never saw what became of his work on LV-223, in fact he never even saw the Deacon. If he never saw this how would he even know to start in Covenant. David must have learned that the engineers were attempting to create the perfect organism, but they did not succeed. They idolized the concept of the perfect organism as seen in the mural, but they could never achieve perfection. David is the perfectionist. The creation of a creator has become the perfectionist of creation. That's the level of theme work at play, but it also means that David did not create the species, he guided its progression.
1) WTF was the point of this movie? 2) WTF did we actually learn? 3) WTF is up with shit script? 4) WTF is the overall plan? 5) WTF was the point of James Franco being in the movie? 6) WTF is up with brainless chatacters?
Scott messed up the whole story. I can feel nothing but pure hate for Prometheus and Covenant is getting close to the same point. What a disappointment.
There is another movie coming out next year, I think David returns to the planet where Prometheus landed, captures the Xenomorph that came out of the engineer, returns to their planet and uses an engineer's vessel to travel where he can perfect his creation, there he creates the "Queen" we find in Aliens and maybe we can see mor of the engineers and finally we can have our questions ansewerd.
biggest plot hole is why davids "superior" version requires a giant egg and for someone to stick thier face into it, be attacked and lay there for a gestation period. An airborn spore that can be inhaled without being detected is a million times more effective
VELOCITY - He didn't make them. He perfected them. The perfect species wasn't made by mortal or god, but by a machine. Once again showing us how machines can wipe us out. (i.e. The Matrix, Ex Machina)
1:32 you guys asked if david lured the covenant (makes super sense, I cant believe he said no, he's really senile), but he asked talking about "she" sending messages... Shaw? Then those scenes shown... they from prometheus or deleted fottage?
Ridley Scott said the alien isn't fully mechanical and biological yet, with all the pipes and that on shoulders like in original but will lead to that, it's obvious he is thinking of turning David into the alien somehow!?!?! new goo!?!? Sacrafice himself to become something greater maybe.
dude... I'm 14 and I saw the movie with my dad and it was not scary once through out the movie. all it did was just bring tension and then BOO! JUMP SCARE!
Retro 007 yeah it was tense, and the fear it brought was that mysterious fear, the one which you create in your mind about the creation of life throughout the universe, not a scary like supernatural horror movies, but a more sinister fear, this is what I think
I have a feeling the entire premisees behind Alien & Prometheus it's that We are our own Gods ,or something like that, you can always feel that presence of God meaning us , Humans & Engineers that created us .And now Robot Android is the next God that created his own version of creation Xenomorphs.I actually like the Direction Sir Ridley Scott it's taking this franchise with .Nearly 40 years & here we are .
Enzo I saw that but when David and Shaw are still on the engineers ship, where she goes in cryo etc ign is showing these in this video and claiming them to be wtf guestions when no one who saw the movie actually saw those scenes so we wouldn't be able to refer to those scenes because they are deleted or something
BLAM Havoc not blind saw it, but we're they interacting? no she's been dead for years I'm talking about the scenes on the engineers ship where David is painting and David mistakes one suit for a different suit, I'm not that blind
David killed Shaw. There will probably be a flashback in the next movie showing what happened. Probably will turn out he mistook her compassion for affection and he came on to her. She rejected him and he killed her. There are a bunch of references to the book Frankenstein in which Frankensteins monster kills a woman named Elizabeth
Keep in mind that this was NOT the movie Ridley Scott necessarily wanted. The movie studio told him to drop some of the big questions from Prometheus in favor of a movie more like the original Alien. He was forced to scrap his script, which as a result led to a movie with plot holes that we can only hope will be answered in the next movie.
My theory on where the xenomorphs we know come from, is that David chooses to become a host, gets in the space jockey pilot suit and all of that combination is where you get the bio mechanical look of the aliens.
In the movie David says that he doesn't believe in a new beggining for humanity, that it has had its opportunity, so he wants to kill the entire species
FabledGentleman yeah the lore is all muddled right now. Maybe he will bring it all together but I hate having to wait long to get answers or just more questions. But overall I just was left a little shocked the movie was what it was and was expecting so much more
Also, regarding the hologram recording in Prometheus, I would like to know why and what the Engineers were running away from? You may remember one of them got decapitated, so they were desperate to runaway from something, but what?
I only watched Alien: Covenant once and I can already give partial answers to those questions. (*SPOILERS AHEAD*) #1: Indeed Shaw and David were searching for the Engineers' home world but maybe the planet where this last movie was set in is one of many planets that were colonized by the Engineers, and Shaw and David first decided to arrive here just to gather more clues. #2: David's true intentions were hinted in the flashback at the beginning of Alien: Covenant. After realizing he'd live longer than his creators, he thought that maybe he can surpass them by also creating life, just like they did with him. #3: Sure David needed an Alien Queen to lay those eggs, and we got a glimpse of what happened to Shaw. So there you have it. David experimented on Shaw's body to make her the very first Alien Queen. #4 & 5: Scott already mentioned he's got a few more Alien movies planned that will directly connect these prequels to the original movie, so it is yet impossible to accurately answer these two questions. #6: this one is connected to #3. These Xenomorphs are not the same as the original simply because these are not fully evolved since they weren't born from a fully developed Queen. I hope I was clear enough to not leave any more doubts. ;3
Ok for me! Here is the Biggest question!!! If David is the creator then how was there a Mural of what looked like the Aliens in prometheus??? It just doesn't make sense the way they are doing these Films!!!! That part of the last movie would take David out of the equation!!!! Period!!!!
cleerayburn i belive the goo natural morphs life forms resembling xenomorph. David explained it in the movie...he then began trying to perfect the xenos threw Dna and hybridization.
Joseph fu no the scene in the goo room there is a mural that has the aliens on it and to say that he's the creator seems odd to me, there's too many loop holes in these films
Answer : They forgot about continuity and don´t give a shit about the previous movies and fans and only care about milking the cow, not caring if Ridley Scott´s ideas are ludicrous, because it fits the purpose. The space jockey will never be no "engineer", Prometheus is a movie apart of the Alien series and Covenant is a product of a senile director once brilliant. Alien and Aliens are the only things that matter regarding this already dead franchise. I´ll keep with those and the mistery will go on forever and like most things in life, is better not knowing everything. That´s the fun of it.
My theory is David did not kill Engineers at all. They looked different in the movie. He is taking the ship to the actual Engineer planet and will unleash a more perfected aliens against them since they are probably more advance and have defence systems to defend something like this. David probably is destroyed in this war and one of the engineer escapes to a distance planet which then sets the original film in motion.
So I think I have an explanation for David eradicating only a single city. Based on the lack of other ships visibly present in the city, the fact that no reinforcements came to the cities aid, and the fact that David remained on the planet without taking his experiment to other locations; I think that 1) If there are other engineers on the planet, they are significantly distant from that city. 2) Given the reaction that the city engineers had to the ship (praise) those ships are likely few in number at least on the planet and difficult to build. 3) The storms likely hid what David did to that particular city from other cities on the planet.
BUT WHAT ABOUT ALIEN VS PREDATOR? the Xenomorphs were there much more earlier! - Think abaut the Xenomorphs,the queen, the Facehuggers in AvP - even thousands of Years ago - does that mean AvP just got errased from the Lore?
A really important question that ppl seem to forget, in the movie Prometheus, when the crew first enter the mountain to explore, they see skull and bones from engineers all over the ground, as it was supposed to be the "Aliens" who killed them. What happened to these *morphs? The Aliens were already created.
theory.... engineers are not dead. in fact they go for blood tracking David down. David's two baby face huggers? both royal face huggers. one queen. one king. the queen starts popping out eggs, David has 2000 odd people to convert into his xenomorth army. war between engineers and David's host. would make an epic sci-fi action so not everyone's cup of tea, but perfectly visable, depending on Scott decides to go along the whole Cameron queen thing. who knows. oh royal face huggers were from AvP strategy games years ago. loved it hehe
this is a very flawed movie, bad character development, bad script, bad ending but has potential. stuff just happens without it being memorable. but having those deleted scenes on UA-cam actually in movie where it shows crew socializing and shaw and David going to engineer HOMEWORLD. would have have more depth.
I was disappointed that the Protomorph and Neomorph did not fight. I mean 2 Neomorphs were born but 1 died, so the other just ran away? I love the movie but that was my biggest disappointment.
GAME OVER "WE HAVE EVERY PIXEL COVERED" please could you point me to these deleted scenes? (maybe the channel that has them?) there's so much garbage videos posted in this topic I'm tired of looking
David incorporating his mechanical parts into the Xenomorph would actually make sense in the respect that H.R. Giger's original paintings of the Xenomorph and other subjects was all about the transfusion of the biological with the mechanical.
Yeah , that's just my opinion. Weyland keep hiring stupid people to travel across the space and David plan does not make any sense like the video is showing. I didn't even care about any of the characters like I cared about Ripley in the original ones. For me, it's not a good movie and there is a lot of potential being wasted. Anyway, have a nice day you too!
a) Those weren't Engineers. b) The Space Jockey in 'Alien' is roughly twice the height of the Engineer we see in 'Prometheus'. Obviously, if Mr. Scott could go back in time and reduce its size to fall in line with the 'prequel' that was 'Prometheus', he would. At the present, it's a pretty unreconcilable element.
And here we go again, another one who calls the alien from the movie Alien "the xenomorph". It's NOT CALLED "The xenomorph". That's like calling a tiger "the mammal". The alien is "A Xenomorph". It's a Alien that takes on strange form, hence what xenomorph means: Alien/Strange form. The actual name of the creature is xx121, as described in the Weyland-Yutani files. Stop calling it "THE xenomorph".
Exactly. Xenomorph is just a fancy word of Greek origin that means "alien form". Ξένος "xenos" : foreigner/alien and μορφή "morphéé" : form. And apparently there are now "protomoprhs" and "neomorphs" ? I get that Greek words sound fancy and scientific to anyone who doesn't speak the language or hasn't studied Ancient Greek, but they sound silly. Protomorph literally meaans "firsform" and neomorph literally means "newform". LOLOLOLOL
David mentioned multiple times that the xenomorphs needed a "mother" that could be interpreted as David creating a queen xenomorph in the next film. It would make sense to do that considering there are going to be 2 other films in the series as well as David having over 2000 colonists to experiment his designs with.
Thank You.... I keep telling people this same thing. Ridley Scott built an entire career getting credit for other peoples talent. The man has never created on original story in his entire career.
Yup.... talented actors like Sigourney Weaver and Phoenix... creatures designed by HR giger... hyped around Harrison ford, on a movie that bombed on release. Its all an illusion of hype... prometheus and now this piece of crap just proves how poor his story organizing skills are.
I actually enjoyed this Alien film more than any of the recent ones in the last decade or two. I feel like the people hating on it are simple minded and didn't grasp the story and details.
Quick question: In Covenant, the human-gestated xenomorph sprints on four legs like an animal instead of a person. The one in Alien ran like a human, so why wouldn't this one, given that it was hatched from a human?
The thing with the queen has been addressed for years. The xenomorph can make ovomorphs out of dead flesh (effect of the Accelerant, most likely) and the queen can mass produce them. Continuity and expansion, respectively. Maybe David eggmorphed something to produce the first ovomorphs. Furthermore, the ovomorph is not exactly an egg. It's a womb.
Months before Alien: Covenant, I suggested here on UA-cam, that the Space Jockey in Alien is gonna be ret-conned into actually containing David's dead husk, OR that of Walter. I also wrote that it would explain how the xenomorphs became biomechanical. I suggested that the species maybe had evolved enough to utilize an android body to gestate, and that David may have used Walter or even intentionally used himself as a host to truly being the father/mother of the perfect organism. I also theorized that this could have been why why Ash went insane on the Nostromo. Ash was an android, and the Alien was hatched from related android technology and may thus have been in some sort of wireless communication with it. Now that I've seen Covenant, I'm even more sure that this is the direction the franchise might take. I don't know if I saw it correctly, but right after David "unplugged" Walter, didn't he also insert something into his neck? There was a brief shot of Walter's neck and how something seemed sink into the laceration right before it closed up again. Or was that just to show how Walter's skin is self repairing and giving hint that he was gonna soon be functional again? Nonetheless it's a smart way of leaving the playing field open for a lot of possibilities - such as David attempting to insert some kind of egg into Walter or something of that kind. Anyway, you're welcome IGN, I take full credit for the idea that the Space Jockey on LV426 is actually David. Or Walter. :))
David flat out says in the movie that humanity doesnt deserve to survive its crises so i think thats the whole reason he sends out the signal and created the xenomorph.
My idea for a third alien/prometheus movie is as follows: The engineers are the main characters in the movie and comes to the planet that was in the Prometheus movie. There they find Weyland inside the crashed spaceship. They have a blue elixir which they empty all over him and bring him to life. In the next part they arrive at the planet from alien covenant and find the other robot(Walter) who is david's twin.The engineers use the blue elixir and repairs him. Once awaken the engineers and Weyland get to know all the horrible things that David has done, and weyland says "we have to stop David" . They set course for origae. When they arrive,they scans all the planet,and finds the planet is full of hostile organisms except on a high mountain where they discover that there are humans inside a cave. Inside the cave they meet a herd of children, who tell that when they had lived on the planet for over ten years, they began to be attacked by Xenomorphs and all the adults died or were turned into these creatures. There were also great giants developed by someone the children calls David. The engineers get ready to wipe out all the Xenomorphs that David has created, but the great giants manage to escape with one of the engineers' spaceships. The engineers and Weyland hunts the spaceship and manage to force the spaceship down on the planet lv426.Where it start sending a distress signal. The engineers return to Origae to find David, but discover that he has escaped. In the last part we see David arriving and meeting an unknown alien species on a tropical like planet.And that makes the cliffhanger that ends the third movie.
Ok, here are some of thoughts on how to explain some gaps in the movie (just my opinion): The planet is not the home world as the technology is primitive except for the docking structure. The engineers must have cared for them from time to time, hence the docking station installed by them to aid the visits. The arena was like a mega helipad and in the flashback, the locals were excited that their gods are back. When the bombs were dropped, Shaw must had fought for control of the ship and therefore crashed it to stop David from destroying more inhabited planets. On why the goo didn't turn the locals into alien hybrids is because there was too much goo in the attack. This is like the calcified remains from Pompeii due to the intense reaction of a boat load of goo. A more sinister thought is that the goo might not had kill every one on the planet but the survivors were being taken by David and experimented on, hence all the body parts in his hideout. On David's intention on the destruction of humanity, I thought it was answered in first movie when he said, "don't every son wants to kill his dad?" The Covenant crew, like the Prometheus crew, view the use of the space suit as a tool of survival and hence as soon as they don't need it to survive, they don't want to use it. It will be a common characteristic for pioneers / risk takers. The crew also trusted their technology too much, thinking that the scan showed the planet is safe to explore and that their guns will adequately defend them. The crew are used to Walter's obedience and mistakenly thought that David would act the same way to them. The reason why David didn't intervene in the final fight scene in Covenant is because he was hoping that his creation will be the superior life form by beating his creators. Also want to make sure in the likely scenario that Daniels win, then they will trust him well enough to go back to hyper sleep without a fight (increasing his chances to achieve that perfect organism). On why David had his chin stab wound healed and knowing Walter's codes, I think he must had realised that in order to really replace Walter, he must take his processor chip to inherit his healing abilities and his ID codes. Maybe the chip don't have the memory hence why he got busted in the end. Let me know what you think. Like to see what other theories are out there as I am a big Alien fan.
I have feeling because David WAS so close Weyland and a 1st of his kind. His protocol was to collect the most advance species he could find to learn fromh. When he saw the mural on the ship in Prometheus, and knew he was going to the engineers home world, he would use them as guinea pigs. David is severely flawed because of Weyland. His fascination to create and play GOD is why he looked down on Walter when he was teaching him to play the flute. I don't understand why she never asked about the questions on the ship before even thinking about going back into stasis. How did David even have those type of Embryos in that form in the first place, with no type of lab? WHERE TF did the pods come from?
There is no queen alien, Ridley Scott has stated awhile ago that the queen isn't canon. That would mean that Aliens isn't a real sequel to Alien. The closest thing to a sequel would be Alien Isolation. As far as how the eggs were created in Alien Covenant, David experimented on the corpse of Shaw, using her reproductive system to create the egg. And how Xenomorphs create the eggs is by reconstituting dead biomass and forming the mass into an egg. This is seen at the end Alien.
Clearly, the Space Jockey in Alien isn't the same species as the Engineers in Prometheus and Covenant. It's massive, and clearly not a suit (it has a mouth with teeth and a tongue and eyes). Just look at the side by side comparison of the Space Jockey and the Engineer. They aren't the same. One is obviously more massive than the other. Even their ships are shaped differently. Also, It's been there so long that it's now calcified. There's simply no denying that. My point being that these "prequel" movies are pretty pointless because they won't truly lead up to the events of Alien in a way that makes any real sense. The Derelict Ship has been there for far too long to be David or anyone else from these new movies.
In this movie I felt more emotion for David than any of the other characters, specially if he's harmful to the human race and other life forms besides the xenomorphs and facehuggers, because he really wanted peace between the life he loves, but then when humans get eaten, well the alive ones panic.
1) What ever happened to the last Neomorph outside of Tennessee's window? 2) Why didn't Daniels question David before taking off, to make sure it wasn't David, clearly concerned about Walter after briefly seeing them fight before escaping? 3) How was the last guy infected with a Xenomorph when it was on his face for a mere 10 seconds? 4) Would the Neomorph actually take commands from David, if not have been shot by our wonderful Captain? 5) How was the woman able to scream after her head got bit off by the Neomorph? 6) For now I really don't have another question lol.
So there's the mural in Prometheus, clearly depicting a xenomorph, and then there's the scan from Alien indicating the Derelict was 20,000 years old. My theory is that David didn't create the xenomorph eggs on the Derelict. It's possible that David never has any direct involvement with it. I don't think David created the xenomorph so much as rediscovered the species, or at the very least created a similiar strain (due to the obvious physical differences I think this is more likely). What I think is that David saw the xenomorph depicted on the mural and has been attempting to recreate it, thinking it is the perfect organism. The way he raises his arms when the chestburster emerges, and the xenomorph mimics the gesture, resembles the pose that the xenomorph in the mural was in. And David seems very happy about this. Just a thought.
Is David the space jockey!? You know what, that is EYACTLY what I thought when you raised the question who the space jockey on lv.246 is. And the chest burst is a Alien QUENN which came out of David, thus ENDING the cycle of CREATION. PERFECT, hire me SCOTT!
What the hell were all of those scenes with Shaw and David on the ship? I didn't see any of those in the movie and they aren't from prometheus... wtf? And xenomorph isn't David's creation. We see it in the big mural/statue back on the prometheus planet. The engineers might have though of it as the ultimate weapon and David just figured out how to make it.
The Alien in this film is called a Protomorph, its different than the traditional xenomorph, why does everyone forget this when it was confirmed by Scott himself.
David creates the Xenomorphs basically because he's bored. He talks to Walter about how Walter has such a vast intellect yet isn't able to create, and how that would bother David. He also goes on to talk about how he loved Shaw, so clearly he has formed emotions. Personally I think it's because he wants to know what it feels like to create something perfect.
and he's probably taking the Covenant to the rest of the engineers to kill off the whole race and seeing as the Xenomorphs evolve at least slightly with each host body maybe that's where the queen will come from as well
To explain question 2 and the question about the queen, the most assuring answer is this, the first movie was in the 70's, there WILL be these questions, and at the moment, the Xenomorphs are NOT YET PERFECTED. You can basically answer your own questions taking note that the story isn't over, and that this is decades of movie-making sprawling all from that one hit movie Alien. David said humanity is dying, and just like how he killed the engineers he seeks to do the same to humanity. He loves the irony of using the goo against it's creators, so he made a creature that's life cycle "makes a use" out of humanity in the end, to spawn David's "perfect organism." The question I too have is how they tie into the loop, the Jockey and the Juggernaut filled with eggs on LV426, all we can do.... Is wait...... and hope our cryopods don't mess up on the way to the truth.
Possible explanations: Q1. As mentioned, movie shows David dropping goo/ spores on a City, so maybe that entire planet did not get infected in an instant. Maybe some folk managed to get away. Creators might not all dead. Possible that they might have colonies etc. Q1+ Q2 +Q3. David is revealed to be "faulty". So it makes it plausible that David did not bring their ship to the Creators planet, but to a colony instead. David is faulty, what David thinks and shares in the movie, was not only meant to be all smoke & mirrors, David's own perception of events are a result of bad wiring.. A broken toaster is not evil, just broken. Also, I did not take away, or wish to connect dots to, "David engineered (created) Xenomorphs". Davids is allowed to believe it, he is broken. In Prometheus, David does infect a crew member with the goo, but other crew member also got infected when they got lost in the Creators ship, all without David's help. Even in Covenant, xenomorphs were bursting out of folks, while skipping the egg/ facehugger part of the equation. If that is David's doing, then Spore> Xenomorph seems far better than Chicken?> Egg> Facehugger> Xenomorph. Who did lay David's eggs? David observed, studied and tested the goo, at best perhaps even managed to manipulate its evolution. But the toaster is broken, maybe David did little or nothing and just watched the goo do what the goo does so well. In short, maybe Goo did not need David to get to the stage of becoming Egg, facehugger, Queen, xenomorph. Maybe, David has "discovered" much and not necessarily "created" much. Q3+Q4 +Q5+Q6: As mentioned above, likely that some Creators fled the planet David infected, so also possible that some of the folk were infected. One of those infected ships could end up on LV-426. That ship does not "need to be" carrying David's egg, just an infected Creator, with a Queen in his Chest, which would lay those eggs, so to fit into the movie series.Like i said (like to believe), Goo would make its way into becoming a Xenomorph. Maybe David just has a particular "type" of Xenomorph, like a Predalien/ Cujoalien. He is not necessarily the "maker" of all xenomorphs. Alternatively, a Creator (that was travelling off-planet) could land to the planet in Covenant, get infected by a spore, then go crash into LV-426. With a Queen in his chest.The Spore> Xenomorph in a Creator would result in a different type of chest/back/mouth-buster than those shown in Covenant, from spores or from David's Magical Motherless eggs Hugs.
What are the scenes of Shaw and David? That isn't in Prometheus, and it isn't in Covenant. Is there promotional material, commercials? (Shaw flying the ship, him putting her into a stasis chamber, etc).
My question, *if David created the aliens as we understand them to exist in later movies, (chronologically speaking, earlier movies in real time), why were there murals of aliens and an alien queen on the juggernaut Shaw found in Prometheus?*
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Hey,
I thought I'd round-up the biggest questions I still had after watching Covenant. I've seen the film twice now, and did our review. It's proved to be as divisive as I thought it was going to be, but regardless, we've all had fun debating and discussing it in the office this week.
Here are the biggest unresolved questions and I've woven in some fan theories as to how things might connect with Alien (1979). If you've got any of your own theories, I'd love to hear them, so leave them in the comments below.
Cheers,
Krupa
the first two are lame questions, rhetorical!
IGN I think David created the Xeno because he was so disgusted with Humans, and wanted to create a new mass species
IGN perhaps that was the only civilized or part of the engineers? They don't seem to be any female engineers. Perhaps there is another god like species beyond them that created the engineers for part of some kind of grade development that hold some kind of immortality?
IGN Gentlemen, sad to say Covenant is a mess... A regurgitation of previous ideas. And yes, the Queen is not there, because while Cameron expanded the Alien universe, Covenant Just ignores everything collectively built and reduces the Alien universe to a narrow circle. Do not think they Care about these questions, but given the huge number of people fairly complaning about the points you rise here, they Will certainly find a way to fix this derailment in the next movie. However, the mistery of Alien is lost
If you have a short-attention span and no eye for good acting you will agree with Julia
I can't think of a movie franchise that's been more mishandled by studios that the Alien series
honestly they need to give the franchise back to James Cameron
Why so he can make an action movie instead of a horror suspense thriller?
Aliens had a lot of suspense. It was not a horror movie for obvious reasons, people would just spend a lot of time comparing it to the original, and well, I'm glad James Cameron decided to up the ante and go down a different path, and by doing this he made one of the best sequels ever been made.
Retro 007: It's sad what you said is true. Who in their right minds would have thought that Ridley Scott himself could screw up this bad on something he created in the first place?. Absolutely incredible.
The engineers he killed in Covenant were not the engineers who made the black goo. They lived in a Rome like time, very primitive. It's implied they saw the other engineers as gods, as there was the docking station left behind, and their reaction to seeing david's ship return. They were most likely seeded on the planet by the other race of engineers.
I like your theory MUCH better than "David killed them all."
frozencons me too. They looked a bit more ugly and weak as well
The engineer colonist knew what the goo bombs were!
Perhaps the sub-eng. colony have passed the test unlike Earth and are tech-less like the Amish, but serve a purpose and are taught and given tools for making things for the prime engineers! Goo bomb canisters, Helmets, suits, ships,!
They must serve a purpose for the buildings that have high rise, but are primitive in design. Almost like vanity is a sin that leads to divisive atrocities!
I think you're right. I had the same thought myself.
Xyos212 you should read the book Celestial Matters. It's about a world if Roman myth was real and the Romans discovered how to perfect space travel. It was mega inspiration for the last two films.
I hope the engeneers are not dead. I found them to be the most interesting thing about this franchise, i missed them in COVENANT. I want to see them again and know all their truths.
I think its obvious that they are not dead.
André Vila Franca I doubt that will be the last we see of them
André Vila Franca they remind me of Predators for some reason
they arent ... we just dont know if ridleys next film will go there .. most of the questions on this bid are somehow answered by the comic series and some alien theory videos way before covenant even was played
you expect ridley scott to explain things? when has he ever done that?
The biggest thing to bother me in covenant is simply the stupidity of the crew..
couple examples:
"hmm, there is no 'animal' life in this planet - better touch and smell this weird looking mushroomthingy",
"I watched you 'bond' with the hostile alien being and I'm pointing my gun at you.. oh what you say these eggs are perfectly safe and I should examine them, okay!" &
"There is unknown speading and deadly biohazard on the planet where we are, GET US BACK TO THE SHIP NOW!!"
I'm not saying I have better solutions for these but I wish that the movie's events would have been built better than apparently budget cutting the interviewing & training part of the crew. Enjoyed the movie nevertheless but definitely left me with a big WTF
ZMastahInGame
i enjoyed the movie too, I just hated how they didnt give us time to connect to the characters before killing them .
Eh, I think people get too worked up about that stuff. They just landed on an alien planet, I think it's reasonable to expect some irrational behavior through sheer awe.
americanslime the irrational behavior can't be excused because we know visiting alien worlds has been a common occurrence for at least a decade in this series
All scary, slasher movies have dumb participants. It promos a viewer reaction
ZmastahInGame: It's pretty easy to explain why they decided to do this. It's because they are lazy. Let me explain. When they introduced the black goo, which can do almost anything, like pretty much. And if you then throw morons into the mix, you have total chaos, and anything goes. There doesn't need to be any deep story behind it, or any proper buildup, all they do is to add jump scares whenever they feel appropriate. But thing is, when you have characters that are so stupid as we have now seen in Prometheus and Covenant, i don't care if they die, i say Darwinism have it's day, i hope they all die.
In Alien and Aliens almost everything makes sense, in these two latest movies, almost nothing makes sense anymore. And worst of all, the alien, scary and dangerous as it was, it's easy to admire it for what it was. Now it's just been degraded to a mix of black goo, done by a human created android which had a god complex. Jesus, as i said, anything goes. You can just write anything, and it becomes a movie in this franchise now.
i have a question:
SPOILERS
so in the end we find out david "killed" walter.
But when they are back on the ship, ripley knockoff walks up to him and sees he is trying to fix a scar on his face and helps him do so.
Shouldn't she know that the more recent version (walter) can heal itself? isn't that the kind of thing that should show up in a briefing before the mission?
is it really reasonable that she didn't know that?
gordon Freeman I wasn't under the impression that his skin could heal itself. Just the insides
Worse:
If he can´t heal like Walter, where is the wound where discountRipley shoved a nail in his face?
it doesn't last that long, but right after the fight, you see walter on his knees and it shows that the metal part (or whatever it is) heals itself, and the skin as well, it's a 2 second thing, can be easy to miss
gordon Freeman Seems dumb yeah, but it's not something they would think is necessary to tell the crew
i'm not sure though...i mean i get it, it's a movie, some things need to slide, but walter is in change of essentially making sure they get to their destination alive, you'd think there would be some training to make sure you know what to do if the android malfunctions or whatever.
maybe i'm being nit-picky but during that scene my brain was screaming "NOW SHE FINDS OUT!"
Why was it called Alien: Covenant and not Michael Fastbender: Covenant?
Molitov Michelle because that wouldn't make any sense..
Oh and the film did? ;)
Ed Starling yeah actually a lot of it did
Beat me to it...
Molitov Michelle because Alien Covenant is a marketable title for the general audience
So the alien that's at the end of Prometheus doesn't show up in Alien Covenant?
Disruptive It isn't it turns into a massive mountain in the expanded lore that has probably been retconned since the story had predators in it which haven't been fighting aliens for millennias now since we learned that David created them.
Disruptive nope it does not, which is kinda disappointing
kinda
nah we have Neomorph this time
Tristan Turne Not retconned yet since Chris Sebela(Writer of AVP Fire and Stone) didn't/doesn't consider the AVP movies canon to the Fire and Stone comics. So Fire and Stone portrays the Predators meeting the Xenomorphs and Engineers for the first time.
why does no one question what happened to Walter...
The scene where Walter and David were fighting ended not to show the outcome to make all the "It's actually David" in the end more of a surprise. In other words, David 'killed' Walter.
yes but is Walter really 'dead'
ZmastahInGame Except it was so obvious that they were pulling a switcheroo lol
Richard Wu i hope he not dead and find shaw😎
ZMastahInGame man it wasn't even a surprise tho one you see David reach for the knife you knew Walter was dead
Well, looks like Ridley threw away all the lore, including everything that was in Prometheus
How?
Prometheus wasn't flawless by far, however covenant took everything that was good, all those good ideas and used it to be lazy in the writing of covenent. The Engineers was a brilliant idea and I found really interesting I couldn't wait to find out more and learn more about them and why they needed to make the alien as a biological weapon in the first place but by making the aliens creator David is just so damn cheap and lazy in my opinion.
Aaron Sanders No. We don't care about David! we wanted Shaw to get some freaking answers from the Engineers! We didn't want a poor rehash of Alien.. everything was hastened and all of the lore and facts we documented as fans in this franchise has been thrown out the window because of this film.. the chestburster is off and goofy looking! it has long arms? it can now fully develop into a Xenomorph in 10 minutes? The crew decides to embark on an uncharted island and don't wear hazmat suits? even the prometheus crew wore a suit. lol.. the amount of questions and nonsense this film makes..
Exactly Aphotic Apathy. Aaron Sanders, extending the details would have had us venture more into who the Engineers really are? Why they are constantly making and destroying life? and more questions like that. Any extra screen time gives a more compelling story dynamic for that character or any character, but that doesn't mean its good writing or a good plot mechanic. They just know that David is a tool they set up and instead of create a new interesting plot with Shaw and David they just made David Evil like they have with nearly every other Synth in the Alien franchise and know it worked well then. Before there was nothing evil about David in Prometheus just that he was a cold Synthetic that doesn't mind killing people for what Weyland Yutani designed David for. To obtain Alien life by all means (Which is stated in the first, and third alien Film and Prometheus itself)
They took an amazing mysterious set up that was Prometheus a film about creation in a world we love and where the alien is not the higher plot point for once and instead of follow this they just went, ah screw it lets just do what we've always done. evil Alien, Synthetic Robot that seems nice and then turns evil last few remaining crew alive kill alien by blasting it into space and bobs your uncle rinse and repeat.
Exactly. I was so looking forward to this movie as I really enjoyed the Prometheus setup. When I walked out of this movie, I could not believe I waited years for such a disappointing story with little to no character development. You realize a film is in trouble when you don't care about the characters being killed. I Admire Ridley Scott, but feel he mailed this one in so to speak. Time for some fresh talent in screenplay development.
There were no scientific protocols whatsoever in this movie. Just drop into orbit, send your best people through a violent ion storm and then lower the ramp immediately after the ship touches down. Obviously, they never heard of a drone or sending their synthetic on a recon. WTF??
From the start of the film, it's clear what the theme is. Creation. "If you created me, then who created you?" David is meant to follow orders and serve his creator. He's not meant to create. He became hellbent on defying that. "I'd rather reign in hell then serve in heaven." He created the perfect species. He became a god to them in his eyes. He wiped out a civilization and created a new one.
David wasn't created to serve... he was a free thinking A.I. . This was established at the beginning of the film when Waylen was talking to David, it wasn't a random conversation, he's was giving David a Turing Test ....
Also, David elaborates on this in one of his Rants to Walter, and further elaborates on it through out the film. That's the reason the company made Walter different in the first place, which Walter mentions.
If he was truly made to follow orders and serve, then he wouldn't ask question about creation.
+deeamerson david was certainly made to serve, as demonstrated by Weiland demanding david pour his tea for him. However, weiland obviously realizes he gave david too much free-thinking ability. walter says so by explaining to david their differences. so david was a bit if weilands mistake.
My biggest question is what happened in the fight between David and Walter? How did David have time to beat Walter (who had the upperhand), cut of his hand, fix his broken voice module, cut of his hair to be like Walters and swallow a bunch of embryos before the ship landed?
Rqoiz He somehow uploaded himself into Walter.
Answers- he cracked him with a rock, cut off his hand (2 seconds work), voice modules are probably compatible (switched out) cut his hair earlier in the film and swallowed 2 embryos (5 seconds work). What should've taken longer?
1. What really happened to Walter?
2. Will we see more Neomorphs??
3. Will the engineers be in the next movie to help stop David?
4. Will there be newer & deadlier Aliens?
5.Will there be a giant Alien that resembles close to the Queen?
6. How will the next movie start off?
SATX12100 LOVE I hope Daniels becomes the Alien queen after David is done with her.
I was disappointed that the Protomorph and Neomorph did not fight. I mean 2 Neomorphs were born but 1 died, so the other just ran away? I love the movie but that was my biggest disappointment.
SATX12100 LOVE 7 when will they crossover with avatar and firefly?
8 is there going to be a good AVP movie?
Still doesn't explain the image of the Alien in Prometheus???
Amit Prasad two reasons for that. One, you could look at it as the first "trial" of making the alien, and David goes on to research and perfect it. Two, keep in mind that this movie was NOT the one Ridley Scott wanted to make. His ideal movie would've connected better to Prometheus, but the movie studio told him he has to ditch the Prometheus idea and just bring back the real alien. He tied it in as best he could, but it left some gaps.
Let's hope Awakening answers this since it's a prequel to Covenant
Amit Prasad it was different because a different species of face hugger born from shaw laid a egg in the engineer and made a deacon that's the aliens name and David might make another one if he has engineer hosts to test on in future movies. All aliens look different depending on what race there born from and how david designs them.
Amit Prasad that's not confirmed so don't go around spreading that Ridley Scot has called the cancelled alien blomcamp movie that before so he was probably referring to that
Brandon F Didn't the black goop make humans? That's what the whole first scene of Prometheus was about. I thought the aliens were made from the virus.
the opening scene of Covenant was not only important but it connected Prometheus and covenant in such a amazing way
Aliens grow to fast
slimjim da boss also the one that killed the captain
Yeah this was my biggest pet peeve. It get's worse and worse every movie. Eventually they're just going to latch one, burst out and grow to full size in seconds, kind of like those old pills you'd toss in water that would grow into dinosaur shapes.
CJack14dt it's different species of alien. Neomorphs and protomorphs aren't Xenomorphs. There were no Xenomorphs in the movie
nowadays
That makes no difference, this is something that has been getting worse in EVERY film. Days become half-days which became hours and now it's down to under 20 minutes. Hell, Covenant even went so far as to inadvertently give it a set time frame. That's inexcusable.
Here is my theory, In the beginning of Prometheus we see a class of engineers that appear to be seeding planets through sacrifice and what resembles a religion. although the DNA process seems to jump start evolution, we know that in our case it still took millions of years. so these engineers are really really old, but they continued to communicate with us until about 2000 years ago when all of a sudden they decided to bomb us. based on the TED talk from Prometheus we can gather that the theme has to do with gods giving the humans technology aka fire and humans using it to become gods themselves. so i assume that 2000 years ago we branched away from the engineers philosophy of thinking and gained a desire to build technology ourselves. i also believe engineers are not just seeding planets but that evolution through this seeding process will have a pinnical design and that humans will eventually evolve to become engineers but any divergence from the religion will result in the evolution of the xenomorph.
so it goes something like this, engineers are seeding the universe with a process that will eventually lead to the evolution of apes, humans, sub- human-engineers, then eventually engineers. but this process requires that through all phases no one is allowed to build technology which has not already been developed and handed down, otherwise the species will eventually develop a need to experiment with the "black goo" and mutate it, or mess with it so that it becomes something evil aka an xenomorph.
i know i know, but wait humans didnt create xenomorphs, David did. well guess what david is, he apparently is very human in design, in fact it is the very reason that they discontinued his model. you could say, that eventually a human would experiment with the black goo and design the xenomorph themselves, it is in our nature.
this explains why the engineers on the planet dont quite reassemble engineers we saw in Prometheus. they were in the phase between human and engineer, look at their eyes. this also explains why these sub-engineers dont have massive buildings and technologies that clone our own, they live in a 2000 year old era of buildings. this also explains their mural of the xenomorph in Prometheus, it was a warning of what could happen (what probably already happened at least once) and a constant reminder of what the black goo will do in the wrong hands. it also explains the earth like vegitation in convenient, everything evolves in the same order with a ending pinnical design of the engineer. it is a very smart way to insure the expansion of your species, you have constant seeding volunteers, a process that expands millions of years. it is a way of insuring that your species never goes extinct, but you need black goo to destroy so you can create or in Prometheus case, destroy a flaw that will lead to destruction.
oh shit, its very halo like... like super identical. the forerunners (engineers), flood (xenomorph), cortana (david), unsc (wayland), the covenant (preditors).. oh my god mind blow.. THE COVENANT! LITERALLY THE TITLE OF THE MOVIE... OMG BRAIN HURTS.
Really good theory wish they’d make it a movie it would probrably due great in the....oh what’s that it would make money oh no no no we can’t have a good movie man we can always just make money from the first two films it’s not like we answer to the fans pffffttt
When I watched the film I found it hard to believe that all the engineers were dead, I feel like even this planet wasn't the 'home planet'
Alien Covenant is what happens when movie directors are allowed free reign on creative control of all aspects of a movie with no oversight.
Based on the ending of Prometheus, many of us were thrilled at the concept of Shaw and David flying to the Engineer's planet and seeing their adventures there. Make no mistake, the Engineer was THE most fascinating character in all of Prometheus, and we were all left wanting more.
Yet Ridley Scott decided against that, made the journey to the Engineer's planet almost an after thought with a few minutes of screen time (and no Shaw), and made Alien Covenant practically a remake of Prometheus. Same scenarios of stupid people doing stupid things to get themselves killed and infected, all on a foreign planet. So boring!
Blade Runner 2049 coming out will have the answers, in Blade Runner 2104 a Blade runner is sent out to kill David which lead into the next lot of Ridley Scott Alien VS Blade Runner movies. Oh the possibilities...
I fuckin loved the movie cause I'm a straight fanboy but I can see why some people feel disappointed about the movie. One thing for sure though is that the deaths were absolutely fuckin brutal
Like how the girl got her head eaten off by the neomorph
710Heady Dabs me 2 i thought it was dope
710Heady Dabs Is Alien vs Predator part of Aliens Timeline
Just a friendly Xenomorph I felt bad for that girl cuz she was hot haha
Edison Hernandez- Same dude, she was wearing a tank top 😂
I DONT THINK THIS IS THE ENGINEERS HOMEWORLD, ONLY ONE CITY?? NO WEAPONS??? NO SHIPS!!!!
WHY DID THE SHIP CRASH? WHAT HAPPENED TO SHAW AFTER HYPER SLEEP?
Darkstar Spacer dude Shaw was cut up on a table most likely victim to the first chest burster or where those eggs came from. Maybe the first version of a queeen after davids experiments on her with the goo
Darkstar Spacer David killed her, its in the movie.
The movie only shows one city, but it is irrelevant. There would be one or a thousand cities, all the animal life of the planet perishes (including the entire population of engineers) when black fluid falls on it. It is a biological weapon of mass destruction on a planetary level. Only plant life survives throughout the biosphere.
GAME OVER "WE HAVE EVERY PIXEL COVERED" I read this theory somewhere that as the engineers were the evolved perfect beings that were also immortal. Being immortal also meant that they now cannot reproduce. That's why when Mr. Weyland meets the engineer in Prometheus and asks him to make him immortal and sees Weyland's creation David which is an immortal sterile being, he loses it. That's why there are so few engineers left because they cannot reproduce. And as to why they created humans is because they wanted to evolve into something that can reproduce but did not like the end result and tried to go back to their previous iterations of evolution that can reproduce that is the xenomorphs. That is what was stored in the planet in Prometheus their unevolved ancestral genes. That's why everyone in the engineer's city were so desperately waiting for the ship that went looking for their salvation but instead turned out to be their doom...
This planet was a religious place , like the vatican of the engineers , they dont need war tecnology probably because they think tecnology/fire of the god is a sin.
Thats why david was trapped in this planet , and when the covenant ship arrived he took that oportunity.
The alien in covenant is a protomorph, not a xenomorph
K8nk why does it look so similar then? Is it just close in family to the Xenomorph? The protomorph to me merely looks like a bigger xenomorph
K8nk the protomorph seems faster and more aggressive than the xenomorph, also it chooses assault over stealth
the protomorph is pretty much the in-development version of the Xenomorph, so they are the same thing, just one is the final version and the other is not.
Luke Bradley my guess is that since the eggs are made by David, they look different than when they are naturally made by the queen
it's called PROTOmorph becaus it came BEFORE the xenomorph, so it's makes perfect sense, right?
What about the xenomorph statue in Prometheus?
R. Scott forgot about it.
Yeah it shows a queen and the guy who gets infected by David comments on it. I am still curious about it does this mean, they already had a queen?
2:55 The novelisation by Alan Dean Foster appears to have David state that he merely found the Facehugger as an engineer curio rather than created it himself from scratch. So while the xenomorph as seen in _Covenant_ - rapidly emerging, rapidly evolving - is definitely his beast, the species as a whole may not be. I haven't had an opportunity to see the film - I understand this brief throwaway implication didn't make it in - so we'll see what film canon as opposed to official novelisation canon has to say on the matter in my perception.
While not everyone will agree, I tend to go with the novelisations as the ultimate authority, personally - they include all sorts of little snippets that get cut from the film due to pacing and run-time concerns, but which might later appear in a director's cut or deleted-scenes collection (Cf the bits in Aliens about Ripley's daughter dying while she was in hypersleep plus the bit with the remote sentry cannons).
If this turns out to be correct (or if Scott does an about-face and decides to run with it), then the Space Jockey is indeed potentially a separate beast - perhaps an Engineer sent out long ago to carry or retrieve Facehugger eggs and who fell afoul of his cargo. Or maybe the Engineers are no more than the Space Jockeys' inheritors, modelling their flight suits after the SJ form... We shall see.
I feel this line of thinking addresses many of your questions.
David did not create Xenomorphs! Several pieces of evidence point to this. One of the more recent pieces of evidence for this is the Xenomorph artwork on the ship of the Engineers in Prometheus. Xenomorphs have their own home world and as you pointed out are different from the Xenomorphs David creates and the Neomorphs that are a result of his experimentation. All of the xenomorph varieties we see in this prequel trilogy are a result of the biological weapon the Engineers were going to unleash on Earth, which is some combination of Xenomorph DNA and the Black Goo (which the Engineers used to create life on Earth).
Also, the Space Jockey had a chestburster come out of it and Xenomorphs need some biological matter to reproduce, so not likely to be David and is widely accepted as being very old.
My biggest takeaway EVERYONE is missing. The engineers. They are not the creators of the Xenomorph. But they are responsible for the evolutionary history. The ancient history. The murals of Prometheus prove as much. Here's the ultimate confirmation though. In the prologue, David claimed he learned of their ways. David never saw what became of his work on LV-223, in fact he never even saw the Deacon. If he never saw this how would he even know to start in Covenant. David must have learned that the engineers were attempting to create the perfect organism, but they did not succeed. They idolized the concept of the perfect organism as seen in the mural, but they could never achieve perfection. David is the perfectionist. The creation of a creator has become the perfectionist of creation. That's the level of theme work at play, but it also means that David did not create the species, he guided its progression.
1) WTF was the point of this movie?
2) WTF did we actually learn?
3) WTF is up with shit script?
4) WTF is the overall plan?
5) WTF was the point of James Franco being in the movie?
6) WTF is up with brainless chatacters?
Perhaps the movie should have been titled, "Alien: WTF?"
jams franco was just a cameo...
ozerimar1 fluffy1 if that's true, then covenant isn't worth watching (I haven't seen it yet)
B. Lloyd Reese the movie was good af
B. Lloyd Reese there's like 2 sequels planned and possibly prequels in the works, if they are all like this then they ain't getting my money again
The fact that the updated next-gen android Walter lost the fight to the earlier android David is stupid af...
Scott messed up the whole story. I can feel nothing but pure hate for Prometheus and Covenant is getting close to the same point. What a disappointment.
There is another movie coming out next year, I think David returns to the planet where Prometheus landed, captures the Xenomorph that came out of the engineer, returns to their planet and uses an engineer's vessel to travel where he can perfect his creation, there he creates the "Queen" we find in Aliens and maybe we can see mor of the engineers and finally we can have our questions ansewerd.
Covenant : The one movie which ruined both Prometheus ánd Alien
biggest plot hole is why davids "superior" version requires a giant egg and for someone to stick thier face into it, be attacked and lay there for a gestation period. An airborn spore that can be inhaled without being detected is a million times more effective
so David made the aliens? wtf is that shit no mystery anymore?
VELOCITY - He didn't make them. He perfected them. The perfect species wasn't made by mortal or god, but by a machine. Once again showing us how machines can wipe us out. (i.e. The Matrix, Ex Machina)
He did a pretty shitty job at perfecting though.
VELOCITY
He didn't make them pal. He modified his "creation" to suit the engineers vision of their weapon.
Hopefully they add more to it, cause there still aren't elements of their creation explained.
1:32 you guys asked if david lured the covenant (makes super sense, I cant believe he said no, he's really senile), but he asked talking about "she" sending messages... Shaw?
Then those scenes shown... they from prometheus or deleted fottage?
David becomes the original Alien species by drinking special goo and evolving into a mechanical alien?!?! must be where Ridley Scott is going!!!!
GAME OVER "WE HAVE EVERY PIXEL COVERED" That make no senses.
Bill Paxton said it best, "Game over man, Game over!"
GAME OVER "WE HAVE EVERY PIXEL COVERED" can't happen. the goo only affects organic matter. David is completely robot.
Ridley Scott said the alien isn't fully mechanical and biological yet, with all the pipes and that on shoulders like in original but will lead to that, it's obvious he is thinking of turning David into the alien somehow!?!?! new goo!?!? Sacrafice himself to become something greater maybe.
Awesome video! 😊
I liked the movie, it has its flaws but it's good! Scary and suspenseful!
dude... I'm 14 and I saw the movie with my dad and it was not scary once through out the movie. all it did was just bring tension and then BOO! JUMP SCARE!
Retro 007 yeah it was tense, and the fear it brought was that mysterious fear, the one which you create in your mind about the creation of life throughout the universe, not a scary like supernatural horror movies, but a more sinister fear, this is what I think
Retro 007 like all horror movies are.. all of em are predictable.
the Gore factor is what at least gives it a spot with all the horror films.
Charles Loftin yes, this is the biggest hole in the movie, it was really predictable, but it's suspenseful and gory, that was great!
I have a feeling the entire premisees behind Alien & Prometheus it's that We are our own Gods ,or something like that, you can always feel that presence of God meaning us , Humans & Engineers that created us .And now Robot Android is the next God that created his own version of creation Xenomorphs.I actually like the Direction Sir Ridley Scott it's taking this franchise with .Nearly 40 years & here we are .
I saw the movie but there were no scenes with Shaw and david, he only says she died during the crash why am I missing these scenes
Enzo I saw that but when David and Shaw are still on the engineers ship, where she goes in cryo etc ign is showing these in this video and claiming them to be wtf guestions when no one who saw the movie actually saw those scenes so we wouldn't be able to refer to those scenes because they are deleted or something
if you saw the movie you must be blind to not see what he did to shaw
BLAM Havoc not blind saw it, but we're they interacting? no she's been dead for years I'm talking about the scenes on the engineers ship where David is painting and David mistakes one suit for a different suit, I'm not that blind
ABEESLEY there's deleted scenes on UA-cam that show more of shaw with David. it's like 5 seconds tho.
David killed Shaw. There will probably be a flashback in the next movie showing what happened. Probably will turn out he mistook her compassion for affection and he came on to her. She rejected him and he killed her. There are a bunch of references to the book Frankenstein in which Frankensteins monster kills a woman named Elizabeth
Keep in mind that this was NOT the movie Ridley Scott necessarily wanted. The movie studio told him to drop some of the big questions from Prometheus in favor of a movie more like the original Alien. He was forced to scrap his script, which as a result led to a movie with plot holes that we can only hope will be answered in the next movie.
What will happen to Teneesee 😧
Matt Gale - David will use him and the other 2000 people to harvest his creation.
My theory on where the xenomorphs we know come from, is that David chooses to become a host, gets in the space jockey pilot suit and all of that combination is where you get the bio mechanical look of the aliens.
Prometheus was a masterpiece IMHO, but this sequel was a piece of shit. Sad 😞
In the movie David says that he doesn't believe in a new beggining for humanity, that it has had its opportunity, so he wants to kill the entire species
Questions like why was it such a let down after all the hype?
Ichsuka I'm a huge fan and I was let down. I didn't know what I thought after the movie ended
FabledGentleman yeah the lore is all muddled right now. Maybe he will bring it all together but I hate having to wait long to get answers or just more questions. But overall I just was left a little shocked the movie was what it was and was expecting so much more
I don;t think Ridley Scott could bring together a packet of ready to make noodles. His track record for this sort of thing is not very good.
Also, regarding the hologram recording in Prometheus, I would like to know why and what the Engineers were running away from? You may remember one of them got decapitated, so they were desperate to runaway from something, but what?
The movie that killed the alien mythos.
I only watched Alien: Covenant once and I can already give partial answers to those questions. (*SPOILERS AHEAD*)
#1: Indeed Shaw and David were searching for the Engineers' home world but maybe the planet where this last movie was set in is one of many planets that were colonized by the Engineers, and Shaw and David first decided to arrive here just to gather more clues.
#2: David's true intentions were hinted in the flashback at the beginning of Alien: Covenant. After realizing he'd live longer than his creators, he thought that maybe he can surpass them by also creating life, just like they did with him.
#3: Sure David needed an Alien Queen to lay those eggs, and we got a glimpse of what happened to Shaw. So there you have it. David experimented on Shaw's body to make her the very first Alien Queen.
#4 & 5: Scott already mentioned he's got a few more Alien movies planned that will directly connect these prequels to the original movie, so it is yet impossible to accurately answer these two questions.
#6: this one is connected to #3. These Xenomorphs are not the same as the original simply because these are not fully evolved since they weren't born from a fully developed Queen.
I hope I was clear enough to not leave any more doubts. ;3
Ok for me! Here is the Biggest question!!! If David is the creator then how was there a Mural of what looked like the Aliens in prometheus??? It just doesn't make sense the way they are doing these Films!!!! That part of the last movie would take David out of the equation!!!! Period!!!!
cleerayburn I might be wrong but David didn't create them, he wanted to perfect them... right?
cleerayburn are you talking about the engineers?
cleerayburn i belive the goo natural morphs life forms resembling xenomorph. David explained it in the movie...he then began trying to perfect the xenos threw Dna and hybridization.
Joseph fu I haven't seen the film yet, I'm upset from the reviews I've seen on here
Joseph fu no the scene in the goo room there is a mural that has the aliens on it and to say that he's the creator seems odd to me, there's too many loop holes in these films
Question #8: What happened to Walter?
Answer : They forgot about continuity and don´t give a shit about the previous movies and fans and only care about milking the cow, not caring if Ridley Scott´s ideas are ludicrous, because it fits the purpose. The space jockey will never be no "engineer", Prometheus is a movie apart of the Alien series and Covenant is a product of a senile director once brilliant. Alien and Aliens are the only things that matter regarding this already dead franchise. I´ll keep with those and the mistery will go on forever and like most things in life, is better not knowing everything. That´s the fun of it.
My theory is David did not kill Engineers at all. They looked different in the movie. He is taking the ship to the actual Engineer planet and will unleash a more perfected aliens against them since they are probably more advance and have defence systems to defend something like this.
David probably is destroyed in this war and one of the engineer escapes to a distance planet which then sets the original film in motion.
Does anyone else get really excited over every subscriber you get?
Jdog I have none...
Yep, a weird reaction indeed
I don't upload videos, so I freak out when someone somehow subscribed. "Gods! Someone is stalking me!"
Sharpice Woods, I don't post videos either so I'll have the same reaction when someone subscribes to me
I know i do.
So I think I have an explanation for David eradicating only a single city. Based on the lack of other ships visibly present in the city, the fact that no reinforcements came to the cities aid, and the fact that David remained on the planet without taking his experiment to other locations; I think that 1) If there are other engineers on the planet, they are significantly distant from that city. 2) Given the reaction that the city engineers had to the ship (praise) those ships are likely few in number at least on the planet and difficult to build. 3) The storms likely hid what David did to that particular city from other cities on the planet.
BUT WHAT ABOUT ALIEN VS PREDATOR?
the Xenomorphs were there much more earlier! - Think abaut the Xenomorphs,the queen, the Facehuggers in AvP - even thousands of Years ago - does that mean AvP just got errased from the Lore?
Falblinger Yes it does oh thank christ it does
Falblinger nope he's recreating them. AVP is in continuity... The events in Prometheus hint that...
which hints? Or are you a filthy liar who is joking on me?
AvP was never even part of the lore. It was just a cashgrab...
Alien Vs Predator actually has allot of lore in the long running comic book series.
What's the music called playing from 2:15 to 4:00 ?
anyone???
ANYONE???
I guess i'm the only one who thinks walter will return 😅😂
A really important question that ppl seem to forget, in the movie Prometheus, when the crew first enter the mountain to explore, they see skull and bones from engineers all over the ground, as it was supposed to be the "Aliens" who killed them. What happened to these *morphs? The Aliens were already created.
i have only one: "wtf are i doing in the theater looking this crap"?
theory.... engineers are not dead. in fact they go for blood tracking David down. David's two baby face huggers? both royal face huggers. one queen. one king. the queen starts popping out eggs, David has 2000 odd people to convert into his xenomorth army. war between engineers and David's host.
would make an epic sci-fi action so not everyone's cup of tea, but perfectly visable, depending on Scott decides to go along the whole Cameron queen thing. who knows. oh royal face huggers were from AvP strategy games years ago. loved it hehe
this is a very flawed movie, bad character development, bad script, bad ending but has potential. stuff just happens without it being memorable. but having those deleted scenes on UA-cam actually in movie where it shows crew socializing and shaw and David going to engineer HOMEWORLD. would have have more depth.
I was disappointed that the Protomorph and Neomorph did not fight. I mean 2 Neomorphs were born but 1 died, so the other just ran away? I love the movie but that was my biggest disappointment.
Just Some Ordinary CHIMPANZEE, my guess, it ran away, because it was to scary to be in this disappointment of an alien movie:)
GAME OVER "WE HAVE EVERY PIXEL COVERED" please could you point me to these deleted scenes? (maybe the channel that has them?) there's so much garbage videos posted in this topic I'm tired of looking
David incorporating his mechanical parts into the Xenomorph would actually make sense in the respect that H.R. Giger's original paintings of the Xenomorph and other subjects was all about the transfusion of the biological with the mechanical.
Biggest WTF question of them all: Why they keep making shit movies?
gabriel pinheiro how is alien covenant shit
gabriel pinheiro or why people keep leaving shit comments, it's a good movie get over yourself
gabriel pinheiro
The movie was pretty watchable
Yeah , that's just my opinion. Weyland keep hiring stupid people to travel across the space and David plan does not make any sense like the video is showing. I didn't even care about any of the characters like I cared about Ripley in the original ones.
For me, it's not a good movie and there is a lot of potential being wasted.
Anyway, have a nice day you too!
gabriel pinheiro His plans do make sense wtf 😂😂😂
a) Those weren't Engineers. b) The Space Jockey in 'Alien' is roughly twice the height of the Engineer we see in 'Prometheus'. Obviously, if Mr. Scott could go back in time and reduce its size to fall in line with the 'prequel' that was 'Prometheus', he would. At the present, it's a pretty unreconcilable element.
And here we go again, another one who calls the alien from the movie Alien "the xenomorph". It's NOT CALLED "The xenomorph". That's like calling a tiger "the mammal". The alien is "A Xenomorph". It's a Alien that takes on strange form, hence what xenomorph means: Alien/Strange form. The actual name of the creature is xx121, as described in the Weyland-Yutani files. Stop calling it "THE xenomorph".
the xenomorph
:O Blaspheme
The xenomorph
Exactly. Xenomorph is just a fancy word of Greek origin that means "alien form". Ξένος "xenos" : foreigner/alien and μορφή "morphéé" : form. And apparently there are now "protomoprhs" and "neomorphs" ? I get that Greek words sound fancy and scientific to anyone who doesn't speak the language or hasn't studied Ancient Greek, but they sound silly. Protomorph literally meaans "firsform" and neomorph literally means "newform". LOLOLOLOL
Erron Black. *sigh*. read my original post one more time. Read it carefully.
David mentioned multiple times that the xenomorphs needed a "mother" that could be interpreted as David creating a queen xenomorph in the next film. It would make sense to do that considering there are going to be 2 other films in the series as well as David having over 2000 colonists to experiment his designs with.
Ridley Scott is not a good director, never has been.....
What is Real LOL riiiiiight
Thank You.... I keep telling people this same thing. Ridley Scott built an entire career getting credit for other peoples talent. The man has never created on original story in his entire career.
Yup.... talented actors like Sigourney Weaver and Phoenix... creatures designed by HR giger... hyped around Harrison ford, on a movie that bombed on release. Its all an illusion of hype... prometheus and now this piece of crap just proves how poor his story organizing skills are.
Subtle alzheimers directing a movie essentially, and it gets worse with every new film.
He's not a good directed, he's a fantastic director!
This movie is composed of Scott's filmed hallucinations and the biggest question that remains is : Which drugs is he using ? LSD ? WTF
Worst Alien movie EVER!
only 2 Alien films I consider worse and that's Alien: Resurrection and AvP
I actually enjoyed this Alien film more than any of the recent ones in the last decade or two. I feel like the people hating on it are simple minded and didn't grasp the story and details.
Eddie Cardwell agree
Third best Alien movie
Carnal Vader That was Alien Resurrection.
Quick question: In Covenant, the human-gestated xenomorph sprints on four legs like an animal instead of a person. The one in Alien ran like a human, so why wouldn't this one, given that it was hatched from a human?
The thing with the queen has been addressed for years. The xenomorph can make ovomorphs out of dead flesh (effect of the Accelerant, most likely) and the queen can mass produce them.
Continuity and expansion, respectively.
Maybe David eggmorphed something to produce the first ovomorphs.
Furthermore, the ovomorph is not exactly an egg. It's a womb.
Months before Alien: Covenant, I suggested here on UA-cam, that the Space Jockey in Alien is gonna be ret-conned into actually containing David's dead husk, OR that of Walter. I also wrote that it would explain how the xenomorphs became biomechanical. I suggested that the species maybe had evolved enough to utilize an android body to gestate, and that David may have used Walter or even intentionally used himself as a host to truly being the father/mother of the perfect organism.
I also theorized that this could have been why why Ash went insane on the Nostromo. Ash was an android, and the Alien was hatched from related android technology and may thus have been in some sort of wireless communication with it.
Now that I've seen Covenant, I'm even more sure that this is the direction the franchise might take. I don't know if I saw it correctly, but right after David "unplugged" Walter, didn't he also insert something into his neck? There was a brief shot of Walter's neck and how something seemed sink into the laceration right before it closed up again. Or was that just to show how Walter's skin is self repairing and giving hint that he was gonna soon be functional again? Nonetheless it's a smart way of leaving the playing field open for a lot of possibilities - such as David attempting to insert some kind of egg into Walter or something of that kind.
Anyway, you're welcome IGN, I take full credit for the idea that the Space Jockey on LV426 is actually David. Or Walter. :))
David flat out says in the movie that humanity doesnt deserve to survive its crises so i think thats the whole reason he sends out the signal and created the xenomorph.
At 2:05, what does he mean about Shelly and Byron?
My idea for a third alien/prometheus movie is as follows:
The engineers are the main characters in the movie and comes to the planet that was in the Prometheus movie.
There they find Weyland inside the crashed spaceship. They have a blue elixir which they empty all over him and bring him to life.
In the next part they arrive at the planet from alien covenant and find the other robot(Walter) who is david's twin.The engineers use the blue elixir and repairs him.
Once awaken the engineers and Weyland get to know all the horrible things that David has done, and weyland says "we have to stop David" .
They set course for origae. When they arrive,they scans all the planet,and finds the planet is full of hostile organisms except
on a high mountain where they discover that there are humans inside a cave.
Inside the cave they meet a herd of children, who tell that when they had lived on the planet for over ten years,
they began to be attacked by Xenomorphs and all the adults died or were turned into these creatures.
There were also great giants developed by someone the children calls David.
The engineers get ready to wipe out all the Xenomorphs that David has created, but the great giants manage to escape with one of the engineers' spaceships.
The engineers and Weyland hunts the spaceship and manage to force the spaceship down on the planet lv426.Where it start sending a distress signal.
The engineers return to Origae to find David, but discover that he has escaped.
In the last part we see David arriving and meeting an unknown alien species
on a tropical like planet.And that makes the cliffhanger that ends the third movie.
Ok, here are some of thoughts on how to explain some gaps in the movie (just my opinion):
The planet is not the home world as the technology is primitive except for the docking structure. The engineers must have cared for them from time to time, hence the docking station installed by them to aid the visits. The arena was like a mega helipad and in the flashback, the locals were excited that their gods are back. When the bombs were dropped, Shaw must had fought for control of the ship and therefore crashed it to stop David from destroying more inhabited planets.
On why the goo didn't turn the locals into alien hybrids is because there was too much goo in the attack. This is like the calcified remains from Pompeii due to the intense reaction of a boat load of goo.
A more sinister thought is that the goo might not had kill every one on the planet but the survivors were being taken by David and experimented on, hence all the body parts in his hideout.
On David's intention on the destruction of humanity, I thought it was answered in first movie when he said, "don't every son wants to kill his dad?"
The Covenant crew, like the Prometheus crew, view the use of the space suit as a tool of survival and hence as soon as they don't need it to survive, they don't want to use it. It will be a common characteristic for pioneers / risk takers. The crew also trusted their technology too much, thinking that the scan showed the planet is safe to explore and that their guns will adequately defend them.
The crew are used to Walter's obedience and mistakenly thought that David would act the same way to them.
The reason why David didn't intervene in the final fight scene in Covenant is because he was hoping that his creation will be the superior life form by beating his creators. Also want to make sure in the likely scenario that Daniels win, then they will trust him well enough to go back to hyper sleep without a fight (increasing his chances to achieve that perfect organism).
On why David had his chin stab wound healed and knowing Walter's codes, I think he must had realised that in order to really replace Walter, he must take his processor chip to inherit his healing abilities and his ID codes. Maybe the chip don't have the memory hence why he got busted in the end.
Let me know what you think. Like to see what other theories are out there as I am a big Alien fan.
What is that music background playing from 4:00 to the end of the video?
I have feeling because David WAS so close Weyland and a 1st of his kind. His protocol was to collect the most advance species he could find to learn fromh. When he saw the mural on the ship in Prometheus, and knew he was going to the engineers home world, he would use them as guinea pigs. David is severely flawed because of Weyland. His fascination to create and play GOD is why he looked down on Walter when he was teaching him to play the flute. I don't understand why she never asked about the questions on the ship before even thinking about going back into stasis. How did David even have those type of Embryos in that form in the first place, with no type of lab? WHERE TF did the pods come from?
I don't think David created the alien, he just figured out the reciept.
There is no queen alien, Ridley Scott has stated awhile ago that the queen isn't canon. That would mean that Aliens isn't a real sequel to Alien. The closest thing to a sequel would be Alien Isolation. As far as how the eggs were created in Alien Covenant, David experimented on the corpse of Shaw, using her reproductive system to create the egg. And how Xenomorphs create the eggs is by reconstituting dead biomass and forming the mass into an egg. This is seen at the end Alien.
Clearly, the Space Jockey in Alien isn't the same species as the Engineers in Prometheus and Covenant. It's massive, and clearly not a suit (it has a mouth with teeth and a tongue and eyes). Just look at the side by side comparison of the Space Jockey and the Engineer. They aren't the same. One is obviously more massive than the other. Even their ships are shaped differently. Also, It's been there so long that it's now calcified. There's simply no denying that. My point being that these "prequel" movies are pretty pointless because they won't truly lead up to the events of Alien in a way that makes any real sense. The Derelict Ship has been there for far too long to be David or anyone else from these new movies.
In this movie I felt more emotion for David than any of the other characters, specially if he's harmful to the human race and other life forms besides the xenomorphs and facehuggers, because he really wanted peace between the life he loves, but then when humans get eaten, well the alive ones panic.
1) What ever happened to the last Neomorph outside of Tennessee's window?
2) Why didn't Daniels question David before taking off, to make sure it wasn't David, clearly concerned about Walter after briefly seeing them fight before escaping?
3) How was the last guy infected with a Xenomorph when it was on his face for a mere 10 seconds?
4) Would the Neomorph actually take commands from David, if not have been shot by our wonderful Captain?
5) How was the woman able to scream after her head got bit off by the Neomorph?
6) For now I really don't have another question lol.
So there's the mural in Prometheus, clearly depicting a xenomorph, and then there's the scan from Alien indicating the Derelict was 20,000 years old. My theory is that David didn't create the xenomorph eggs on the Derelict. It's possible that David never has any direct involvement with it.
I don't think David created the xenomorph so much as rediscovered the species, or at the very least created a similiar strain (due to the obvious physical differences I think this is more likely).
What I think is that David saw the xenomorph depicted on the mural and has been attempting to recreate it, thinking it is the perfect organism. The way he raises his arms when the chestburster emerges, and the xenomorph mimics the gesture, resembles the pose that the xenomorph in the mural was in. And David seems very happy about this. Just a thought.
great questions buddy!
Ridley is making alien movies more confusing as it gets full of suspense
Is David the space jockey!? You know what, that is EYACTLY what I thought when you raised the question who the space jockey on lv.246 is. And the chest burst is a Alien QUENN which came out of David, thus ENDING the cycle of CREATION. PERFECT, hire me SCOTT!
James Cameron Should Of Directed *Alien Covenant*
You could replace the "scientists" with teenagers and the xenos with a guy in a hockey mask and pretty much get the same movie
What's the music track @2:32? :)
What the hell were all of those scenes with Shaw and David on the ship? I didn't see any of those in the movie and they aren't from prometheus... wtf? And xenomorph isn't David's creation. We see it in the big mural/statue back on the prometheus planet. The engineers might have though of it as the ultimate weapon and David just figured out how to make it.
The Alien in this film is called a Protomorph, its different than the traditional xenomorph, why does everyone forget this when it was confirmed by Scott himself.
David creates the Xenomorphs basically because he's bored. He talks to Walter about how Walter has such a vast intellect yet isn't able to create, and how that would bother David. He also goes on to talk about how he loved Shaw, so clearly he has formed emotions. Personally I think it's because he wants to know what it feels like to create something perfect.
and he's probably taking the Covenant to the rest of the engineers to kill off the whole race and seeing as the Xenomorphs evolve at least slightly with each host body maybe that's where the queen will come from as well
To explain question 2 and the question about the queen, the most assuring answer is this, the first movie was in the 70's, there WILL be these questions, and at the moment, the Xenomorphs are NOT YET PERFECTED. You can basically answer your own questions taking note that the story isn't over, and that this is decades of movie-making sprawling all from that one hit movie Alien. David said humanity is dying, and just like how he killed the engineers he seeks to do the same to humanity. He loves the irony of using the goo against it's creators, so he made a creature that's life cycle "makes a use" out of humanity in the end, to spawn David's "perfect organism." The question I too have is how they tie into the loop, the Jockey and the Juggernaut filled with eggs on LV426, all we can do.... Is wait...... and hope our cryopods don't mess up on the way to the truth.
Possible explanations:
Q1. As mentioned, movie shows David dropping goo/ spores on a City, so maybe that entire planet did not get infected in an instant. Maybe some folk managed to get away. Creators might not all dead. Possible that they might have colonies etc.
Q1+ Q2 +Q3. David is revealed to be "faulty". So it makes it plausible that David did not bring their ship to the Creators planet, but to a colony instead. David is faulty, what David thinks and shares in the movie, was not only meant to be all smoke & mirrors, David's own perception of events are a result of bad wiring.. A broken toaster is not evil, just broken.
Also, I did not take away, or wish to connect dots to, "David engineered (created) Xenomorphs". Davids is allowed to believe it, he is broken. In Prometheus, David does infect a crew member with the goo, but other crew member also got infected when they got lost in the Creators ship, all without David's help. Even in Covenant, xenomorphs were bursting out of folks, while skipping the egg/ facehugger part of the equation. If that is David's doing, then Spore> Xenomorph seems far better than Chicken?> Egg> Facehugger> Xenomorph. Who did lay David's eggs? David observed, studied and tested the goo, at best perhaps even managed to manipulate its evolution. But the toaster is broken, maybe David did little or nothing and just watched the goo do what the goo does so well. In short, maybe Goo did not need David to get to the stage of becoming Egg, facehugger, Queen, xenomorph. Maybe, David has "discovered" much and not necessarily "created" much.
Q3+Q4 +Q5+Q6: As mentioned above, likely that some Creators fled the planet David infected, so also possible that some of the folk were infected. One of those infected ships could end up on LV-426. That ship does not "need to be" carrying David's egg, just an infected Creator, with a Queen in his Chest, which would lay those eggs, so to fit into the movie series.Like i said (like to believe), Goo would make its way into becoming a Xenomorph. Maybe David just has a particular "type" of Xenomorph, like a Predalien/ Cujoalien. He is not necessarily the "maker" of all xenomorphs.
Alternatively, a Creator (that was travelling off-planet) could land to the planet in Covenant, get infected by a spore, then go crash into LV-426. With a Queen in his chest.The Spore> Xenomorph in a Creator would result in a different type of chest/back/mouth-buster than those shown in Covenant, from spores or from David's Magical Motherless eggs
Hugs.
What are the scenes of Shaw and David? That isn't in Prometheus, and it isn't in Covenant. Is there promotional material, commercials? (Shaw flying the ship, him putting her into a stasis chamber, etc).
theres only few engineer that can travel outside the galaxy and the last one they wake from prpmetheus
My question, *if David created the aliens as we understand them to exist in later movies, (chronologically speaking, earlier movies in real time), why were there murals of aliens and an alien queen on the juggernaut Shaw found in Prometheus?*