The REAL War on Christmas - The Plum Pudding Riots - English History - Extra History
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🎄 Join us for the untold history of "War on Christmas" in the Plum Pudding Riots! This bizarre history made it to the states when Christmas was outright banned by the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1659. An act that had deep roots in the Puritan-led Parliament's fight against Christmas in England during the 1640s, leading to riots, propaganda, and contributing to the English Civil War. 🌟
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A lovely holiday special, and it gave an interesting look into the insane events that frequently seem to unfold because of the holidays! Happy holidays!
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@@also_arles A Holidy wouldn't be a Holiday without something insane happening.
It's literally rebranded TV dinners
I had a feeling this would be a referrence to the Puritans. "People so uptight the British KICKED THEM OUT!"--Robin Williams
good guess!
The literal "NO FUN ALLOWED" type of people.
Socks & sandals type?😊
Puritans left of their own accord because they did not like Christmas and tolerating Catholics.
It was all too woke for them.
@@jamesbodnarchuk3322Nah, sandals would be too revealing for them.
Always love it when people point out that the Pilgrims were not fleeing religious persecution the way we think of it - they were trying to found their own Jerusalem, where only puritans would be allowed. And forcing their beliefs down everyone's throats was kind of their thing.
And not just any Putitans, but separatists at that
I mean I wasn't there so I would'nt know but wasn't that around the time of the queen bloody Mary???
Ye should be workin. If'n ye nay be workin, ye best be prayin. If'n ye nay be workin, nor prayin, then ye be sinnin! and bound for hell fire by the grace of God!
@@BardovBacchus
"Get thee to the local magistrate of the shire that thou reside. And remember, thou art a wretched sinner, unworthy of God's love."
Atun-Shei, @@eldorados_lost_searcher..?
I think that H.L. Mencken said it best, "A Puritan was someone who lived in perpetual fear that somewhere someone else was enjoying themselves."
The Puritan war on Christmas was part of their general war on fun.
They were a dull and dreary lot.
@@Darkgun231 They still are.
Part of their century or so long temper tantrum.
Fun Fact
Dr Seuss’s “How the Grinch Stole Christmas” is actually a story about the most tolerant and whimsical Puritan to ever exist.
I'm reminded of a longer, more serious video essay somewhere on the concept of Protestant Ethic and how it basically, literally thinks that anything that you do that's not explicitly for the glorification of God is pointless and anti-christian. Which is an idea the Puritans took to heart in the extreme.
@@shibasaurus322 Objection! The Grinch learned to have fun in the end!
Fun fact: the banning of Christmas is the basis of the drinking song “The World Turned Upside-Down”, which got turned into a British marching song that they played at the Yorktown surrender
And now Hamilton is stuck in my head again, thank you
Which has nothing to do with a protest song on similar age sometimes called "The World Turned Upside Down", normally called "The Diggers Song". The Diggers and Levellers are a fascinating movement, an early communal one which arose in opposition to the Enclosure Of The Commons, which us well worth an episode or two
Latin America and the Phillipines had a completely opposite history with Christmas, it's not just one day; its a whole season of festivities.
In Mexico it begins since Advent with "Las Posadas" and then comes Nochebuena or "Good Night" (Christmas Eve), then a less formal Thanksgiving like party on Christmas Day. Then more revelry in New Years (in Mexico they follow the Spanish custom of eating 13 grapes, each for each month of the year plus one, at midnight) and also cider is preferred in many homes to Champagne. Then comes the "Rosca de Reyes" or fruit glazed round cake and then the children get their presents. And last on Candlemass (La Candelaria) you feast on Tamales of all flavors, colors and sizes and then finally its over.
I would be so down for that👍🏻
Always fun with my people during this time.
@@inusocials6295I’m trying to learn more about my Filipino side. Could you tell me what a Filipino Christmas traditions include? I’m very curious (genuine)
It's nice that you have such a nice tradition instead of the absolute destruction that we had here in Eastern Europe with messed up calendars and bad attempts at secularization.
The true war on Christmas is being waged by corporations bombarding us with Christmas ads and decorations for three months. As a result the magic of the holidays is slowly, slowly dying due to oversaturation. I wish Christmas was kept to December only so it really feels special again.
Yeah. I celebrate Christmas and don't want to hear Christmas music before, like, December 20. It's ridiculous. And very capitalistic.
@@safaiaryu12 'pushy' is another word Id use. And I wouldn't mind listening to Christmas songs for the entirety of December if there were more than 4 or 5 of them total...
Filipinos starting the Christmas season on September ending on either Jenuary or Febuary: 👁👄👁
In Austria we Banned any Christmas Items before November. Only Exceptions are things that can be asociated with Saint Nicholas. They put it in place, because in 2017, they went bonkers with christmas starting in September. One radio DJ of a major radio station even played "Last christmas" for 38 hour straight to prove this is madness. He locked himself into the studio and baricaded it. He kept his job and the Goverment passed a law that banned the selling and marketing of christmas goods outside of November and December.
I'm surprised Netflix hasn't made a film about this yet💀
It would make a great holiday film! 😂
@@extrahistory True though😂
@@rachel_sj That sounds nice. I'll check it out
How appropriate and festive.
After all, Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without Mrs. Baddeley's plum pudding!
AT4W Viewer or just a Whovian?
Both
Not-so-fun fact: The Puritans (and some other Dissenters, but IIRC not all) were opposed to a lot of other stuff that qualified as 'fun' at the time, even things that did a lot less damage than Medieval English Christmases. For example, the desire to ban bear-baiting, not because it was violent, nor the harm it did to animals, but because the spectators enjoyed it, even when they weren't gambling.
Two major things that be pointed out
1)- The Pilgrims were NOT Puritans. The Plymouth colony was eventually subsumed by the Massachusetts Bay colony, yes, but the Pilgrims were a separate Dissenter denomination and specifically fled to the Netherlands to avoid Puritan purges of other Dissenter groups during Cromwell's regime. Thats a pretty important error in the video that should be corrected,
2)- Catholics had once repressed Puritans yes, but this was far from a one way street. In fact the coalition that strove to overthrow Cromwell specifically included Catholics, Anglicans, and Dissenters of all stripes due to the Puritans attacking all other forms of expressing Christianity, and later political cross-denomination political alliances such as the Jacobites find in their origins in said alliance. In addition, the Puritans were explicitly genocidal of ethnic minorities for even tangential associations with other denominations & faiths. Their pogroms against Jews are the most well-known example, but their racial & ethnic genocides of Irish and Romani people (in spite of conversions to Protestantism) were very much under the pretext of their associations with Catholicism and non-Puritan Christian practice, rather than just racism as is commonly misunderstood (although that certainly played a factor as well).
Yep, that definitely has to go in a Lies video, because all that had a huge effect on Ireland and subsequently the US.
Didn’t the Mayflower land in America in 1620 and Cromwell didn’t come to power until 1653?
Christmas is winning so much? That in the US it has eaten Thanksgiving and is gnawing on Halloween.
😂😂😂
Correct!
Why do you think we celebrate thanksgiving in October in Canada?
By real believers or by the corporations? It's dieing to over saturation and overexposure.
The "War Against Christmas" is literally the fight to stop Christmas' continued hostile advance across the calendar.
Without that war... you know damned well they would encroach upon the entire year, stopping only for Independence Day, cuz the only thing they love more than Christmas is the flag.
... and guns.
Medieval Christmas sounds fucking lit...minus the drunk carolers breaking into my house I guess.
"They don't celebrate Easter in the bible." Don't most non-English languages call it passover which is like... celebrated in the NT. Granted not in its modern form and far closer to its original Jewish tradition (because at that point it basically was).
Then again Puritans are like... insane.
@cg4259 well here I am to correct you depending on the Gospel, Jesus either died the first day of Passover or the day before on the day of preparation. So Easter and Passover cross over a little bit except they don't because they're all celebrated based on when the Hebrew Calendar Month of Nisan starts. That is determined by when the full moon is sighted after the vernal equinox. The Julian, Gregorian, and Hebrew Calendars all have different ways of determining that. So, it rarely lines up that Eastern Orthodox, nor the Western Churches Easters exactly line up, nor that Passover occurs at the same time because they each use one of those calendars. Eastern Rite uses Julian, Western Rite and Protestants use Gregorian, and Jewish holidays follow the Hebrew Calendar.
I think what the video meant was, like, the current celebrations of Easter - with the bunny and eggs and flowers and so on.
Ah, Puritans.
The people who feared that someone, somewhere, was having amy amount of fun.
I've always wanted this to be covered more. Like you said in the video, for all the "War on Christmas" stuff we here nowadays, it's hilarious that most people aren't aware of the actual war on Christmas that occurred in history and more hilariously that it was waged by certain Christians. History is full of irony I suppose.
It's projection if anything.
The war against Christmas is to stop its hostile advance across the entire calendar
The current front lines of that war is Halloween... and some places have already maneuvered around it, putting out Christmas Stuff the day after Independence Day. And then you got Hobby Lobby who has a permanent Christmas section all year round.
In a way,... Christmas is already engaging in a war of figurative genocide. The only day immune to their attacks is Independence Day itself, cuz the only thing they love more than Christmas is the flag.
Laughing my head off over that picture of Bob Parr (AKA Mr. Incredible) sitting in his cubicle at his soul-sucking job at Insuricare. Perfect! Just perfect!
Christmas started this war by crossing the borders of other holidays. It has almost completely conquered Thanksgiving. It is making serious inroads against Halloween. And, has even gone as far as to make attacks against the 4tth of July. I refuse to end hostilities until it withdraws back into its own borders.
the 4th of July is really the only holiday that is essentially immune. Cuz you know, the only thing they love more than Christmas is the American Flag. ... and guns
"The Puritans..."
say no more.
Also known as 'The Biggest Buzzkills in History'.
the saturnalia comparisons already fit but make so much more sense with the medieval traditons
From what I've heard about British Christmases, things have not changed much since the holiday was relegalized.
Yoinking and boinking is an all time line.
Modern Conservatives: They are taking away our Christmas! The horror!!!
Ancient Puritans: They are celebrating Christmas! The horror!!!
In actuality, Christmas is taking away every other holiday BUT Christmas. And Easter, of course.
You know if they had their way, the Christmas season would begin on July 5th and officially end at Easter, but only for a slow transition into several months of "AMERICA... F*CK YEAH!!!" then back into Christmas.
Fun fact: When the Netherlands turned more and more puritan in it's younger years, all saints days started getting banned, EXCEPT sinterklaas (our version of the saint Nickolas bit of modern christmas)
The government wanted to ban it, but they feared riots and protests would get too out of hand, so they allowed it (I do wonder if these British riots had something to do with that)
To this day, the Netherlands has some of the fewest hollidays in all of western europe
I tell people this history all the time when they bring up a war on Christmas. I’m glad your covering this
A very happy holidays to all!
Happy Holidays!
Been here since 6 years and I just want to thank you guys for always having a series for everything I needed to learn either for school or out of boredom
As have i! This channel is what got me into history!
If you like spin on your history it’s an awesome channel for sure. 👍🏼 If you want real history generally get as close to the source as possible. I.E. read actual excerpts from journals of ppl like George Washington.
Ah the puritans the ultimate kill joy. Thank for the for those cool Quakers.
Yes, Puritans were the ultimate buzzkills.
The moment I heard the word 'football', I knew things were gonna get even more nuts.
If a Puritan saw a modern Christmas celebration like at Rockefeller Center or a display at a mall, they would probably start screaming and then never stop.
And that the holiday of Thanksgiving has been created out of their history, AND that it's the beginning of the Xmas Season......
@@LangThoughts Oh geez, imagine finding out about Halloween!
Medieval Christmas seems absolutely lit.
I live in mass and never new of this, they never taught this in school thanks!
Anytime!
"We don't talk about THAT 😬..."
It's starting to become a holiday tradition of ours to just do mostly snacky stuff like those saucy little weiners, cheese and meat platters and a veggie tray and just hang out doing something playing playing cards against humanity or guestures. Just a good time laughing at each other's cards or ridiculous actions trying to get people to guess what it is.
Playing parlor games is actually a very Victorian Christmas.
@@ferretyluv
We used to play poker. But once covid hit, doing something like Gestures and Cards Against Humanity just helped us cope with not being together for 3 years in a row.
We just needed a good laugh and it's continued ever since.
Really, really funny that my US Catholic elementary school taught me the pilgrims came here for "religious freedom," and not ONLY does it turn out that the "freedom" was freedom from watching others practice their own beliefs and traditions *cough* but that apparently WE were the problem.
On the other hand, I completely relate to wanting to go to the other side of the world to get away from noise.
Freedom can also mean “free to be a misery guts that everyone hates”!
There is a reason why the concepts of positive and negative freedom of religion exist. With a religion claiming universal validity, positive freedom of religion can be very oppressive.
British Medieval Christmas Sounded Awesome. Bring that back!!!
Wait, are you telling me that I’m not supposed to get extremely drunk on Christmas?
Hbomberguy covered this
Hey folks! I hope you all have an AWESOME Christmas and a wonderful New Year!
~Brianna
Sounds like SantaCon is trying to bring back Medieval Christmas lol
So Christmas used to be the purge? That is metal.
It was more like Halloween meets St. Patrick's Day, cranked up to 11. Everyone getting drunk and rowdy in the streets, dressing up, acting crazy, playing pranks, etc...
Then again, it is 12 straight days of partying and drunken debauchery. Maybe we should bring Medieval Christmas back.
Being Puritan always sounds miserable.
Ya think? They were a bunch of buzzkills!
The war on Christmas will continue until it ceases its illegal occupation of November and its invasion of October!
:P
Merry Christmas! Thanks Saint Nicholas and Klaus to bring joy around the world!
Who's Mary Christmas? Merry Christmas, my dude.
@@dragoninthewest1 Autocorrected to Mary lol
@NightspeakerR Frakking auto correct, lol. Have a festive time. Although I can imagine someone thinking Mary Christmas is the Virgin Mary's real name.
@@dragoninthewest1 True, but nonetheless have a good Christmas 🤙✨🎁
I just love how some of the raucous celebrations inspired other Christmases. Japan got hookups, Peru got brawls and WW1 got football.
You know, I always thought the whole 'Christmas is cancelled' thing was just made up for children shows and movies...only to find out that (thanks to this video) Christmas DID get CANCELLED at one point in history!
One thing those asinine children's shows refuse to ask themselves is,... how the hell could Christmas be cancelled when it has already taken over Thanksgiving, and is trying to overtake Halloween?
PANR has tuned in.
Hope your holidays are going well, friend.
PANR! Thanks for watching, have an amazing holiday season!
howdy from the Patreon crowd, Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to everyone who sees this!
Helloto Undertale.
May you be merry and happy, and have as few lvls as possible.
🎄
Well I'd say I support a truly traditional Christmas. 12 days of riots, drinking, and drag!
Merry Christmas
Thankyou for all your work this year
Love everything you do
You scared me so much when you said you were not going to do the dishes until new years eve😢
Interesting topic! Makes you want to look back and see what other Christmas time concepts and ideas could have other meanings. Like Scrooge in a Christmas Carol could have had some inspiration from the Puritans and Calvinist.
Wonder where the inspiration from the Grinch came from.
Worth thinking about - The ones currently complaining about a "War on Christmas" are the very ones whose Spiritual Ancestors Banned Christmas....
Consistency?
4:55 And as some of you likely know thanks to anime and manga, in Japan Christmas Eve is basically Valentine's Day two months early (or 10 months late)
And where on December 25th, they feast on KFC.
No, really.
@@Toonrick12 You know... I need to see if there's a KFC open on Christmas day... I could totally incorporate that into my festivities. 😋
Thanks for another fascinating historical tale. Happy holidays.
Can we go back to medieval Christmas cause tons of alcohol and being out of hand for 12 days sounds like a kick ass party
Is there anything stopping you from getting drunk outside for christmas?
@@malogibeaux4946 the law lol
@@artornis606 gawdamit. Well maybe you can do it in a field in the middle of north dakota but that's less fun
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Happy holidays guys! Wish you all the Best 🎅🎅🎅🎅🎅🎄🎄🎄❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I love your guys vids, most of all the christmas ones
Man, Christmas is so fucking metal.
i just imagined a swat team rushing someone singing carols lol
Puritans being puritans
The founders of America, everyone
Have a merry christmas extra credits team!
I can’t wait for your series on “ Oliver Cromwell “
Ah, Cromwell, the King of Puritan buzzkills...
Thank you! Good job guys!
Christmas seems like the Purge Lite.
Oh my....that Reindeer pose you guys did. Whoever is the artist for that moment, you knew what you were doing.
Christmas was basically The Purge lol
A funny little video by Atun-Shei (Whitchfinder General Vvarre on Christmas) also touches on the subject from the Puritan perspective ;)
My Protestant ancestors persecuted you if you said merry Christmas. My present Protestant relations will boycott you if you don’t say merry Christmas
As a Protestant christian, I don't mind celebrating Christmas or that it is now being a secularised holiday. Sure, greedy companies taking advantage of this holiday does suck but having friends of different beliefs or no beliefs celebrate it together is just fun and wholesome.
This was very enlightening.
No one can stop other people from having their own beliefs, but at the same time no one can stop people from having fun either. So it was always going to be a lose-lose situation when it comes to Christmas. So you either compromise so continue to fight a losing battle. I'm glad compromising worked out
After the line "Feasts and Beasts," my partner commented "early Furries."
I found this too amusing not to share.
The spinning globe at 3:20 bugs me. It looks like the continents are just sliding left to right instead of rotating around.
Now how can we go about restoring the medieval Christmas festivities in the present day?
Exactly. These guys knew how to party!
Happy holidays!
So much about Christmas makes sense now...
6:01 The legislature using a budget crisis to demand unrelated, unpopular laws from the executive? I'm sure glad that's no longer a problem!
Santa’s built like Potemkin in this episode
Happy Christmas everyoneone!!!! 🎅🎄🎁
My country has a 5% Cristian population and is a focal point of the Abraham's religions and still is flooded with Christmas decorations. Have a good Christmas, anyone who celebrates it
Was expecting a shoutout to Nixon going against xmas lights
As a jewish atheist, I celebrate christmas... and any religious holiday that gives me an excuse to relax / have fun. It's the only good aspect of religions.
"A peasant would dress up like royalty and give nonsensical orders everyone had to follow."
Damn. That fits so well with a fantasy culture I've been writing about lately. I'm gonna yoink that. >.>
“If the person that you sing to can’t provide the Wassaale
you are entitled to their credit card and piiiin number
Love and joy unto you!
Unless you can’t provide the wassale
Then sever financial penalties on yoooou”
-MST3K
The only “war on Christmas” end I’ll accept, it’s done.
Loved learning about this.
Please do the Greek war of independence of 1821 against the ottoman empire next
I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the sengoku Jidai!
Bring back the 12 day Christmas!
Good video, I just merely have one quibble. Christmas and Saturnalia have nothing to do with each other. It's a common misconception, but it's a misconception none the less. Christmas is dated as it is due to the Annunciation, which is dated due to Easter, which is dated due to Passover.
Yeah then why did some of the traditions that he mentioned the Puritans trying to kill sound almost exactly like Saturnalia. The King of Misrule is almost one to one with the Saturnalia King. See Historia Civilis for more about what Saturnalia looked like.
The important thing for this video is the Puritans believed it did.
@@erraticonteuse Fair point.
@@PhilipK635 You realize how general you made both sound, right? Thanksgiving involves feasting, drinking, and merriment as well, but I'm pretty sure no one would tell me that Thanksgiving copied one of the other two.
Furthermore, happening in December isn't really evidence. Saturnalia for a lot of its history was celebrated on the 17th of December. Christmas, when it got its later date when Christians pinned down when they thought the Annunciation occurred, always took place on the 25th when popularly celebrated.
@@PhilipK635 And in Russia Christmas happens on Jan 7.
Really interesting
"Really, really, really ,really drunk"
*Me on Christmas day 6 cans in and half a bottle of Bailey's & Kraken with the same again to go* "Yeah.......could you picture it?"
Or entire existence has been following one idiot after another and being forced to can them king
7:13 ...and was met by an unruly crowd of 500 people, determined to make the season merry and bright.
They descended.
I love this
Ha! Thanks for noting that the 12 Days of Christmas actually starts with Christmas Eve. It seems like no one knows that anymore. Even my devout Catholic friend was surprised by this. I'm not even Christian! It's just that my grandma's birthday is on the Epiphany, so my family knows that Christmas ends that day, lol.
Didn't know rob lived in Hong Kong that makes sense why you haven't done any Tiananmen Square videos
I WANT THIS Christmas
I found the title very disrespectful. I've lost years, friends and good friends in War on Christmas. Saying it wasn't real insults memory of all who fought and gave their lives trying to end Christmas.
I want to know more about the Grinch's elite squad.
@@malogibeaux4946 I am afraid that's classified.
So if the Pilgrims were to time travel to the present, and see the holiday of Thanksgiving has been created out of their history, AND that it's the beginning of the Xmas Season, they would have a total freak-out?
Awesome