As Rich gave his intro I was wondering if it would be John or Alex plus another member as I thought I saw Oli or Tom, then did a double take to confirm no John or Alex
They should do this more often. Love to get different perspectives. Love John and Alex but the over the top ness of the former and pc fanboying of the latter can get quite annoying. Both of them complain a ton, particularly about systems or games they don’t even play lol. These two are more professional, objective, and easier to follow
Man, I was really excited for this until I played it. The combat did not grab me at all. Also disappointed they went with the style of locking you into a combat zone with a party of enemies instead of just having enemies freely wandering the world, though I guess that's been the style since Seiken Densetsu 3. Interesting DF brought up the Tales of Arise comparison, as the demo of that similarly turned me off. Anyway, here's hoping Ys X scratches my action rpg itch.
@@wiremesh2 Shouldn't have. Arise is *fucking fantastic*. I have experienced no stuttering on my (admittedly monstrous) PC at 1440P. The one thing I hear some people complain about is the base game FOV is a bit small, but a fan mod\ patch\thing exists to change that. I got it recently for a friend. He has a full time job. And yet, in 2 weeks, he's fifty-something hours into it. Give it a chance.
I wouldn’t know which Ubisoft Studio made Avatar if I didn’t watch Digital Foundry, they say the studio name so often, praise their game and TLDR their conferences, pretty wild they didn’t give an invite for Star Wars
My biggest concern with the Mana demo having stutters that bad is how many games, Elden Ring, Dead Space, Wild Hearts, Jedi etc etc have launched with stutter and never been fixed. I have less faith in niche JRPOG's getting technical patches.
@@ThisisCitrus Elden Rings seems to vary a lot person to person, but has loads off the other technical problems like 60fps cap, no UW support, heavy gpu and cpu demand, massive fps drops like last Boss of the dlc which took my frame rate from 110 down to below 20. I haven't played Jedi but seeing the coverage from DF I'm just not interested in trying it
@@Chasm9 Actually bought it on PS5 as I like the living room experience haha. Not sure if it does support it though, as I always have Auto HDR toggled on.
A video on Moonlight would be very interesting! There are Moonlight clients on the Switch and Vita (with homebrew, naturally) and that would be a neat point of comparison between Steamdeck/ROG Ally/et al and the homebrew options. Could look at games of varying intensity as well as emulation.
@@cooltwittertag Had never watched Rugby before this Olympics, and yeah, gotta agree. It's crazy how much less downtime it has, and how much more readable the action is.
08:22 - When Thomas speaks, you notice that the sharp parts in the image are the hair at his left side, and his left eye. Other parts of his face, like the nose, his right eye and the right part of his hair are blurry. That's because the camera is set to use a small f/ stop (aperture widely open), thus the depth of field is very shallow. I advice changing the f/ stop (closing the aperture) to widen the DoF. Sure, it will lower the bokeh effect (blur in the background), but the face will be sharper in more places.
put aside raytracing in Minecraft for a moment. Where's the native console versions for consoles approaching 4 years old? XSX just got 4K in December. Where's the HDR? 120FPS? SSD support? DualSense? PSVR2? vastly increased render distance?
6:25 ugh when animations snap into place like this it looks terrible. We've had examples of other games like RDR2 And LOU-PT.2 blending animations beautifully. I don't know why they'd have this quite intrusive pop/snap-to takedown animation in a game of this tier
@gamingeagle19 True, but those games are huge and chock full of state of the art tech, fluid animations are just one tiny piece in the grand scheme of things. In my non-expert opinion, it seems fluid animation should have been something that AAA developers worked to figure out many years ago.
It’s an Ubisoft game… what did you expect? Corners will be cut. This isn’t a premier studio like rockstar or naughty dog who makes sure animations are insane.
RDR2 and TLOU prioritize animation over input responsiveness. This looks very good, but is obviously not suited for every type of game. If you want to judge the quality of the animation blending, you have to compare it to games with similar input responsiveness.
If Sony had actually made psvr2 the exra value of having backwards compatability i think it would have been a great success. I was litterally planing on getting both a ps5 and psvr2 but as soon as i heard i would not be able to play my psvr1 games i was out.
@@sniper007ukI would expect a PS VR3 to still use controllers. VR2 has the same type of motion controllers as all other VR headsets, so VR3 would probably use something similar, which would make backwards compatibility much easier. The main reason there isn't VR1 back compat is that it used a very different tracking and control scheme (with the external camera and move controllers), with some games (like astro bot) relying heavily on design of the tracking system, which makes it extremely difficult or impossible to translate without major redesigns.
TBH, I just bought a PSVR2 yesterday at the discount (and an adapter in a couple of days) because I have a PS5 and a gaming PC so it's nice to have a device that lets me play both. I'm not fussed about tethered gaming since I've only otherwise used an HTC Vive Pro and HP reverb G2 in the past. I'm a _never-zuck_ so the only other device I was thinking of getting was a Bigscreen Beyond, but then I've gotta get lighthouses and a pair of knuckles and that'll cost a fortune. So for £350 I'm pretty happy.
@@Varmint260 yeah I got one for my office for client presentations, I can’t believe Microsoft abandoned WMR. We can only hope that a bunch of dedicated users will develop future hacks to keep WMR headsets going!
they are wayyyyyy sharper in game. I had a 4hr virtual session and it looks fantastic. the 1080p footage they showed in this video looks considerably worse than the 1080p record that i received. so FYI
I never understood the distaste for PSVR2, The features missing on PC arent their for Meta Quest either, In fact no other headset has the feedback of PSVR2, When I want a better submersion I go PSVR2 on PS5, If I wanna lounge I play Meta Quest, Theres room for both as I enjoy both, I just dont get it but I enjoy my PSVR2 for the last few months
I just scored a PS5. Canb't wait to get the headset, as I started out in VR on the PS4. I also have a Q3. People make fun out of fear, and we don't want every idiot in VR anyway. Not yet. Alot of them will be content with Wall-E style projection flat screens (already on sale as lightwieght glasses to project your social media/ multiplayer habit in fron to fyou while you walk the smaller dinosaur. We can have all the space to ourselves.
Great to see more of Captain Morgan and Oliver, they got a nice way about them. I always enjoy their coverage on different games. As a side note, the heavyset older guy on the Xbox era podcast was throwing some serious shade on DF in their latest show. Not sure why, and not sure it’s a good idea to do so when that guy’s shown his tech knowledge is seriously lacking. Don’t like seeing DF’s good name being besmirched😤
I did a ctrl+f 'Digital Foundry' on their latest podcast (never seen it before) "The XboxEra Podcast | LIVE | Episode 223" and only two mentions came up at 1 hour 30 minutes, both were from Speshal_Nick who I'm pretty sure isn't the guy you were referring to. He was claiming that Digital Foundry has 'made sure that resolution doesn't matter this generation' so therefore they don't see the point in PS5 as everything runs at 60 fps which was the key benefit of PS4 Pro over PS4 Amateur. However, if the PS5 Pro suddenly means it has a better resolution than XSX then 'I'm sure digital Foundry will suddenly care about resolution'. They seem to believe that XSX is a more powerful system than PS5 in some ways, but that DF are biased to focus only on the strengths of the PS5. I think we can all agree that's nonsense since DF are clearly and openly biased that the Steam Deck OLED is the best system this generation!
Tandem is the holy grail - I don't know if it's achievable for large TVs. It's essentially Dual-cell using 2 OLED panels which you'd think would be more complicated and expensive than Dual-cell but somehow they've struggled to generate Dual Cell for TVs. It also begs the question of how cheap Dual Cell would be using a monochrome LED and colour LED panel together for which you wouldn't even any local dimming which is now becoming the more complex part of the TV with 1,000-10,000 dimming zones. 1,000 nits full screen is overkill for TVs, most high-end LEDs top out at 700-800 for full window and it's irrelevant if 700 or 850. For OLEDs, if they can hit 500-600 nits full window and sustain it for a few seconds with 400 nits full window sustained, TANDEM may be less important at that point. Also, Tandem reduces the risk of burn-in massively.
1:32:25 ... To be honest... All the many folks who say "works fine on my rig" on forum threads that discuss stutter/micro stutter are probably the same ones that are happy with Play Station streaming despite our grievances about lag and input delay... EDIT: Haha. Alright. Thanks for all those who replied. I should try my own home network. I remember steam link being roughly ok. I should give that another go i guess. Does anyone play out of their own home for PlayStation?
There might also be a bit of counter-reactionary mindset there in misunderstanding what we mean when we point out these issues or when DigitalFoundry does. They might be thinking we are saying that these issues completely ruin/make games not worth even trying out or buying, which isn't what we are saying, it's just that these issues make the games presentations less attractive which is a disservice to themselves. I think some people see criticisms like this as an attack of developers (which some people are rather...obtuse online, so I don't blame them) when it reality we are simply wanting solutions to ensure even higher fidelity gaming in the future.
I use my PS5 through remote play 95% of the time. The experience has been great most of the time for me. PS5 on Ethernet and decent WiFi for my laptop. I played through half a dozen games like that, if not more.
Please don't test AFMF 2 with RTSS's or any third-party's framerate control! Use Radeon Chill, available in the same page of the Radeon App. Chill is integrated to AFMF 2 for the best results with frame pacing, VRR and the like. I usually lock both limits to 60 (= 120 with FG). Even more important, don't use the Radeon App's Anti-Lag + external FRC - AFMF 2 is designed to run with Anti-Lag and FRC but it doesn't want both simultaneously.
Radeon chills isn't meant to be used as a framerate limited , its supposed to limit your fps at the press of a button so that your pc runs cooler while you're quickly away.
@@BPipkins You are obviously not a Radeon user. The Radeon App is super easy to use, way better than juggling a bunch of third-party utils. Functionality such as FRC is not supported by any official Windows API. The only safe and robust way to implement that is either as part of each game engine, which some do but most don't, or as part of GPU drivers or first-party utilities made by the same people that have privileged information and access to their driver. Anything made by a third-party without such access like RTSS is inherently a hack, that will work on a best-effort basis but you are always risking some issues such as the fact that a FG system such as DLSS or FSR will not know to account for the third-party frame limiter's interference when calculating extremely precise timings for ideal frame pacing. I lost count of how many times I saw people including pro reviewers mention problems with RTSS, in all GPUs.
Resident Evil 4 is seen as one of the best games of all time. Its remake is on PS VR2 exclusively and is incredible. Add in GT7, Horizon, Resident Evil Village all as exclusives in its first year, and 90% of the best PC games are there now, and now the adapter for those that aren't. There are reasons to go for META instead, but I really don't think it's such a clear-cut thing.
I'd love to see you guys taking a look at the full version of Kunitsu-gami from Capcom. Beautiful game, runs well and has that ps2-era charm that I'm sure the crew would enjoy.
My partner wanted to play the Riven reboot, so I installed the Steam Link app on my 8 year old Sony Bravia 49" (XBR-X800D) w/Android TV (it's a pretty old version of Android TV tbh)... configured an XBox Series X controller with Bluetooth to the TV and am streaming my gaming PC (5600X+3080). The PC is across the other side of a 2BR apt.. both TV and PC connected by WiFi.. I am actually VERY impressed with how well it's working given the setup. She was playing it pretty much all day Saturday and it never skipped a beat she said it was working great. I was actually shocked. Of course Riven is a pretty slow paced puzzler but the couple times I was watching it, it looked great to me. It's not going to be near good enough for scrutiny by DF standards, but just to play the game it exceeded the expectations I had for it.
I hope the Outlaws footage suffered from compression artefacts because MY GOD is the foliage blurry in motion. Also lovely seeing that tessellation line in the speeder section....fingers crossed
It's Snowdrop, pretty sure the foliage will look great. In the speeder section I thought the shadow maps from the grass were loading in ... but I could be wrong.
The OLED displays of the PSVR2 are reportedly much nicer than the Quest 3 LCD displays when connected to a gaming PC even without the HDR, feature and early reviews of the PC Adapter say the OLED displays look amazing on PCVR and that makes the PSVR2 the cheapest true PCVR headset with OLED Displays and Displayport technology, the Quest 3 does not have these two important features.
Not really, the Quest 3 Lenses are way better, also displayport LOL The Quest 3 is Wireless, use Virtual Desktop Steamer, Quest Link or Steam. The only thing the PSVR2 has is the OLED screen. I prefer the pancake lenses and the wireless connection. Also no HDR ROFL
Dude I know. More and more people are jumping on psVR2. Digital foundry is so biased when it comes to VR. Also the game library is huge. I am still working on my back log.
I have both and I hate the PSVR2 lenses. The sweet spot is so small and always looks bad like a blurry mess. Oled doesn’t matter if the lenses are bad. The pancake lenses in Quest 3 are amazing. No fiddling and nearly edge to edge clarity.
@@Ryan-mn8jj stop lying. You don’t have a psVR2. Also these fake news is not working. More and more people getting it and falling in love with it. The adaptive triggers alone wipes the floor with meta.
No way. Pentile oled so only 2/3 the subpixels with a screen door filter that adds a weird grainy effect. Basically the screens the Samsung Odyssey + had in like 2018. Also the Quest 3 optics are light years ahead of the PSVR2. I have a Quest Pro and PSVR2 and the QP blows it away in therms of clarity and everything.
Whoever's playing Star Wars in that gameplay preview is really adhering to the stereotype of video game journalists not being able to play video games.
Outside the DF bubble, the reason publishers don't care about 4K marketing assets is because absolutely everyone is watching stuff on their phones these days. It's perfectly understandable and not that big a deal - when you play the game locally on your PS5 plugged into a 4K TV it's gonna be upscaled from 720p anyway lol
Star Wars Outlaws looks really dated to me, I don’t know if it’s the art style but compared to the latest AC, Ghost Recon, Avatar and Jedi Survivor it looks weird.
I don't want to say anything until the game is out and I can see it outside of what UA-cam compression does to it. Overall the lighting looks very good as well as the foliage
It has extremely advanced real time lighting. It uses RTGI. Which looks way better than in open world games like Horizon or Starfield. The only system that is comparable is Lumen in UE5, but there doesn't exist any comparable open world game with UE5. I guess when you say it looks bad you mean the frame rate? Or the animations?
@@crestofhonor2349 but if you watch the other games on UA-cam they still look amazing When we saw Avatar on the same engine, it was OMG this is next-gen or maybe this is PC max graphics, no way this is running on consoles Outlaws, you look at it and go well RDR2 nearly half a decade ago on consoles look sharper and better This game probably has great textures and models but as the PC requirements show its 720p upscaled and not a great look
01:47:00 People simply are spoiled. For the first time in like 25 Years a truly game changing technology hits and 99% of ppl on Reddit are complaining like mommy stole their candy and in other posts write "yeah my Intel 960 (from 2011?) with my GTX 1060 is still fine", when in reality it's very likely that even a 150$ CPU could double their framerate (paired with a GTX 1060). You don't have to buy a new PC every 2 Years, but everything > 5 Years is a LONG TIME even "right now". Just as an example: Ryzen 5000 was released in 2020 and Ryzen 7000/9000 produce around 15-30% more frames. That is the difference between "somewhere in the 40ish frames" and "more than 60 FPS". Now imagine how big the difference is when your PC is 7,8,9,10 Years old. If you only play Pixelart games like Stardew Valley - fine, but if you want to play Tripple A Games on Ultra Settings, you simply need a "Ultra PC". If you don't have one, take 2500 EUR/USD and buy one. If that is not in your budget range, stop complaining and play on lower settings. The game will still be fun.
1:24:10 You are partially wrong there; when they launched the Beyond Light expansion that "deleted" a lot of launch content, that was in tandem with some form of backend overhaul for the engine. The details about what specifically they reworked though is still not exactly clear, as a good chunk of the game still generally "looks" the same. There's a "This Week At Bungie" article or two on their website from a few years ago that addresses the topic.
Those camera cuts in College Football are so jarring. Going through frame by frame, there's a lot of weird stuff going on. The initial scene pauses for a few frames, then when it finally cuts to the new angle, the players are in a generic pose for a frame, before popping into their mocap positions; the cheerleaders spawn in with a lower LOD, missing some of their hair and stuff... it looks crazy, and you can sense that something is "popping" into existence even without slowing it down, even if you can't see all of those details that are changing. I think it's enough that it would bother me if I was playing the game. It sure stuck out in this video.
Moonlight is so good, the latency is near zero when setup properly. It's the only way I use my Steamdeck now since I can stream the highest quality with the highest FPS to the Steamdeck.
I gor psvr2 on day 1 and have never regretted it for a moment. Even if GT7 was the only game I used it for it would still be worth it. Still got Wanderer, Alien and Behemoth I think Oliver needs to do some more research.
Nobody Wants to Die is less of a game and more of an interactive adventure; an experience to be had. At its core it’s a walking simulator. You play as a detective in a retro-futuristic 1940’s New York setting complete with all of the tropes we’ve come to know and love.
AFMF 2 is nice to play around with, but it'll become less and less relevant, with most games having FSR3 support in the future. Mainly because that's becoming easier, and easier to integrate into games.
I think what AFMF makes vialable is High refresh rate displays for mid range GPU's. As someone who moved from a RX 580 to a 6600xt I haven't felt the need for an upgrade to my 1080p 75hz (freesync) display from 2017, as while older games would play better and nicer at higher res/framerate with newer games such as AW2 I would be forced to play at my current display specs anyway. With framegen on any game this is no longer the case making a monitor upgrade much more worth it.
Rich, when Sony acquired Bungie, it was stated that Bungie would remain an independent subsidiary of SIE as long as certain targets were hit. With various missteps it wouldn't surprise me if they missed those targets, so as part of that takeover deal, SIE can run Bungie entirely no longer independent
I felt a bit gutted when the Ally X was revealed to have more this and faster that. But knowing I only paid £400 for my Ally and the X is £800 but has less than 10% better performance makes me feel a whole load better. No one should trade from the OG Ally to the X, it makes no sense. And for that matter, no one looking to buy a handheld should pay £800 for the X when the OG Ally can be had on sale for almost half that amount of money. At £600 the X would have made sense, not at £800, not by a long shot.
For me it was pretty simple, no HL:Alyx, no PSVR2 for me. Sony should have aggressively courted Valve to port it. Imagine how much the adoption rate would have exploded with that title alone in the library. Then drop an updated Left for Dead 2 port.
JAKARTA Sony Corporation doesn't seem to care about its virtual reality headset (VR) anymore. After stopping production of PlayStation VR (PSVR) 2 Sony also cut funding for its games. Reporting from Android Central, Sony's closest source revealed that the Japanese company had discussed game development opportunities for PSVR 2. According to Sony, the chances of VR games for the device are only a few in the future. Another source said that Sony would only develop two more games for the device. This is very bad news for its users, especially since the new PSVR 2 was released in February last year
It is quite easy to install BazziteOS on the Rog ally. Even I managed to do it with bascially zero linux knowledge. It gives you steamOS on the ally making it operate almost exactly like a steamdeck. It works brilliantly tbh. You get all the steamOS advantages like fast resume etc. and you keep VRR and the performance of the ROG ally. There's some slight hackery to be able to adjust the TDP but it's handled pretty well.
1:56:20: The OG Xbox was a x86 processor. There have ALWAYS been cost effective x86 CPUs, especially when compared to RISC. And what RISC gives you with a reduced instruction set, it takes right back in requiring more memory to accomplish the same thing. And expensive memory was a HUGE deal back then. So no, RISC did not have that advantage.🤡🤡🤡🤡
Hey Rich AFMF 2 does work with vsync btw. I was trying to cap my FPS in Star Citizen and Radeon Chill wouldn't work and launching MSI Afterburner to use RTSS to cap the FPS would cause the game to crash which is why I gave v-sync a try in the games menu and it capped the FPS to 60 and than was able to use AFMF to double it.
It's ironic the PSVR2's biggest problem is lack of quality software, when that's the biggest issue with PCVR as well. There's plenty of capable headsets for cheap and even the "high end" ones aren't _that_ much better. I see a lot of people say they won't buy into VR until the headsets are better, when in reality the hardware is already there, but when you do jump in with both feet like I did 8ish years ago, you quickly realize there's precious few games that are anything more than a glorified tech demo. What we need is less dedicated overpriced VR games that developers never recoup development costs on, and more that take a No Man's Sky approach and simply add a VR option to existing and upcoming games. I find it odd how many games will take the development time to implement high end ray and even path tracing that few people have the hardware to run, but oddly ignore supporting VR that has a _TON_ of installed base headsets that surely couldn't take that much time to implement when we already have mods like UEVR that shows how easy it is to convert a single image to two. They only need to map the controller inputs which they already do for gamepads to begin with. It just seems a no brainer to do that little bit of extra work to make your game stand out vs path tracing few can realistically use. And that's coming from someone that actually _does_ have a GPU fast enough for path tracing.
Zombie Army VR, a sequel to Wanderer (considered one of the better VR games), Metro, Alien, and Behemoth aren't compelling compared to what we got for PSVR1? ...wut. I don't know if Oliver likes horror, but he should try Madison VR (he said he hasn't played any PSVR2 this year). In terms of games after a year and a half, it's not getting less support than PSVR1. I guess I need to remind myself that nobody on this channel seems to really care about VR stuff.
I've bought more VR games than flat titles this year and I'm looking forward to the titles you mentioned, I don't know if people realize how much is out there for VR gamers and it's really disappointing when important channels like DF downplay this much spreading doom and gloom vibes.
I dont think VR gets enough publicity compared to non VR games. Theres some great looking games coming but only people who already have VR seem to know much about them. John is a big supporter of VR and often talks about it on this channel. He champions the Meta Quest 3
Just so you know I tried the PSVR2 app with my PSVR2 headset just connected to my RX 7900XTX(MBA) USB-C port and everything actually works so I guess the adapter isnt needed if you got the right GPU design. 😁
Minecraft RTX on PC does not exist in the way they imply it does. There are a couple pre-made maps you can download and check out that have RT, but you can't do anything other than walk around. There is no way to actually play the game with RT on PC without mods.
Just to add a bit of precision: You must enable the "Kelly's RTX Vanilla" ressource pack. You have to be in the main menu to enable or disable it since you can't switch it on or off when you're in game.
RTX texture packs by the community have been incredible, though. They even go as far as to include workarounds to certain rendering bugs in Minecraft RTX that Mojang still hasn't fixed.
That is false. You need a PBR based texture pack to use ray tracing in normal worlds. Once you have one downloaded it works in any map you want, even ones with custom models. Kelly's RTX is a great pack as well as Defined PBR. There is also a mod for Minecraft RTX called Better RTX which fixes some issues and improves the game visually with barely any performance hit
Not to sound like Apple but one of the biggest reasons why I am not interested in a device like the ROG Ally X is the I’ve been working on an O lead transition. I’m kind of trying to switch everything I have over to OLED because the only thing left now that I upgraded my iPad to the M4 iPad Pro is my PC monitor and that’s mostly because I don’t feel super on board with any of the OLED monitors on the market. I’d probably go for the MSI one if I had to buy one right now, but I’m still sceptical.
Sorry if you noted this, was working while listening but I didn't hear you mention one of the biggest advantages of running Moonlight via Steamdeck as your default option for playing games. Battery life. Streaming something like Elden Ring from the desktop at a smooth and consistent frame rate with better graphics options and a 6 hr battery on the OLED is an exceptional handheld gaming experience. Basically zero fan noise too.
6:25 It's very very kind of the enemies to teleport to you, so you can phase your leg through their leg - and allow you to hover your hands over them, until they're on the floor and they give up. Just imagine if they had the money, tech and team to make these animations somewhat believable...
One of the biggest points in favor of a single SoC type architecture is that it gives developers more access and control to the underlying hardware. In the 80's and 90's all game devs essentially shipped a custom OS with their game (boot disks). There just wasn't enough space to have a a BIOS and OS running on the same machine. Upside was devs had direct access to all system resources - guaranteed. With the proliferation of standalone CPUs and GPUs and their added black box magic and drivers on top of drivers, this just isn't the case. The amount of computing power we're leaving on the table is staggering. Hardware manufacturers have been getting way too comfortable for way too long.
I was quite impressed with AFMF2. As Rich alluded to; the biggest benefit is getting a game to output at a consistent framerate somewhere in the sweet spot of your monitors VRR rate. There's a driver native framecap thing available in Radeon Chill - using that disables something else IIRC. In addition to DX11/12 it works on Vulkan (and I thing OpenGL). More options are always good. I tested it on Jedi Survivor; it didn't help with that games awful traversal stuttering.
Rich specifically thanks people from Gamer Network for their footage so they must have been invited. I suspect invites are grouped by publication (the people doing the inviting have relationships with publications) rather than parent company (whoever that happens to be this week).
After I got my psVR2 this year. I kind of stopped flat screen gaming, and I had been gaming over 20 years. I love digital foundry, but they are so biased when it comes to VR.
I bought a PSVR2 at launch and have pretty much only played in VR since (HD2 aside). I totally don't understand the negative narrative around it. It's an awesome device, and for all the love John gives the Quest 3, it will be a cold day in hell before I give a cent to Meta. I was over the moon when they announced PC support, no need for a separate PC headset!
If you listen to gaming podcasts non-stop who say "PSVR2 is dead", you'll believe it. If you don't listen to the podcasts and simply play the awesome games that have been released, the headset is alive and kicking and extremely fun and immersive.
That’s true. And some of the negative stuff is also driven by people who won’t/can‘t afford the device. Which isn’t anything bad but it’s not a nice way to constantly bully the platform. Sony could have done so much more for the very good headset but it’s like it is. There are definitely some nice games available.
Comment is incorrect, because Digital Foundry clearly obeys all publisher request/demands about comments, embargo’s, and willingly plays the publisher’s controlled marketing game.
The biggest advantage of the extra RAM on the Ally X I have noticed is less hitching, which is an issue with the 16GB handhelds. Still would have preferred a 24GB Legion Go as the screen size is hands down better to the point where I keep finding my Ally X screen to be tiny and narrow by comparison. If the game doesn't suffer from having only 16GB, then the Go is the ideal choice, if its hitching a lot, then its the Ally X and its almost to small screen.
@34:43 somewhere in the world there is a John Linneman yelling “TOM! YOURE GOING THW WRONG WAY!!! YOIRE GOING THE WRONG WAY!!!” Love the content and keep it up guys.
With regards to supporter question 4, I use the recommended spec shown on the Steam store page as a guide. If the developer tells me that my PC is good enough to run their game, I expect a stable 60 FPS. If the developer tells me that my PC is not good enough to run their game, I'll wait to play it until I've upgraded. If my PC is better than or equal to the recommended spec shown on the Steam store page, and I'm regularly dropping below 60 FPS, the developers have messed up. Bearing in mind that I always wait 3-6 months to play a game to give the developers chance to fix launch problems with patches, so by that time, yeah I don't expect to encounter any serious problems.
Guys - big opportunity for the merch store - framerate Caps. Make it happen and I will buy one instantly
Now if only their new business daddy could bring shipping prices to the US down
Seconded 👍👍
Framerate:
No Caps
While I personally prefer to live my life uncapped, I certainly support the idea wholeheartedly!
'Capped@30 and furious' ;D
Oliver and Tom? That's feels almost like a secret team being brought back for a stealth mission.
You know everyone is on summer holidays when some combination of Sam Machkovech, Will Judd and/or Audi Sorlie are in the mix.
As Rich gave his intro I was wondering if it would be John or Alex plus another member as I thought I saw Oli or Tom, then did a double take to confirm no John or Alex
They should do this more often. Love to get different perspectives. Love John and Alex but the over the top ness of the former and pc fanboying of the latter can get quite annoying. Both of them complain a ton, particularly about systems or games they don’t even play lol. These two are more professional, objective, and easier to follow
@@bigde131 These two match Rich's energy better, while John and Alex make it a bit funner and more lighthearted
Thanks for covering Visions of Mana, Tom! Always grateful that he covers a lot of important games that may not otherwise get attention.
Yeah exactly thanks Tom
Mana series is such a big part of my childhood.
Tom is truly the goat
Man, I was really excited for this until I played it. The combat did not grab me at all. Also disappointed they went with the style of locking you into a combat zone with a party of enemies instead of just having enemies freely wandering the world, though I guess that's been the style since Seiken Densetsu 3. Interesting DF brought up the Tales of Arise comparison, as the demo of that similarly turned me off.
Anyway, here's hoping Ys X scratches my action rpg itch.
@@wiremesh2 Shouldn't have.
Arise is *fucking fantastic*.
I have experienced no stuttering on my (admittedly monstrous) PC at 1440P.
The one thing I hear some people complain about is the base game FOV is a bit small, but a fan mod\ patch\thing exists to change that.
I got it recently for a friend. He has a full time job. And yet, in 2 weeks, he's fifty-something hours into it.
Give it a chance.
Wait, after praising Avatar up and down, Massive didn't invite Digital Foundry to play this game?
I wouldn’t know which Ubisoft Studio made Avatar if I didn’t watch Digital Foundry, they say the studio name so often, praise their game and TLDR their conferences, pretty wild they didn’t give an invite for Star Wars
Oliver looking extra devious in the thumbnail.
he’s a very bespoke type of devious😦
He is up to some tomfoolery
he's got that maxed out rizz
@@MrMartDKoliverfoolery
"Oh yeah! You wanna pokemon battle with me, don't you?!"
My biggest concern with the Mana demo having stutters that bad is how many games, Elden Ring, Dead Space, Wild Hearts, Jedi etc etc have launched with stutter and never been fixed. I have less faith in niche JRPOG's getting technical patches.
You can run the Mana demo in DX11, which fixes the stuttering to a large degree
@@AnimeUniverseDE Does it require a steam launch parameter?
@@killerfugu2659 yes, -dx11
Elden Ring isn't too bad, but Jedi is the worst stutter I've ever experienced.
@@ThisisCitrus Elden Rings seems to vary a lot person to person, but has loads off the other technical problems like 60fps cap, no UW support, heavy gpu and cpu demand, massive fps drops like last Boss of the dlc which took my frame rate from 110 down to below 20.
I haven't played Jedi but seeing the coverage from DF I'm just not interested in trying it
The power of one.
The power of two.
The power of manyyyyyyyy…. stutters.
Oh wow, was totally unaware of “Nobody wants to die”. If you speak to the developers let them know they got a purchase thanks to this video 😅
It looks great. It's a shame it doesn't support HDR (at least on PC I don't see a toggle) - but you can fix that with RTX HDR. 👍
@@Chasm9 Actually bought it on PS5 as I like the living room experience haha. Not sure if it does support it though, as I always have Auto HDR toggled on.
Love the game. The world is stunning. I hope we'll see a bigger game within the universe one day that allows us to explore more of its world.
@@julianorozaa I like the living room experience also and I bought it for PC. PC's dont stop working if you put them in a living room you know 😂
@@chrissyboy7047 sometimes I prefer not to think. Just turn things on, put on a game and not tweak anything. Consoles are great for that.
A video on Moonlight would be very interesting! There are Moonlight clients on the Switch and Vita (with homebrew, naturally) and that would be a neat point of comparison between Steamdeck/ROG Ally/et al and the homebrew options. Could look at games of varying intensity as well as emulation.
tom and oliver = most chillax team to listen to
Oliver seemed especially chipper in this video too. Real good vibes in this one.
Tom and Oliver! We’re being spoiled this week.
1:25:33 "In-the-here-and-now" drinking game.
Anymore time stamps? Or do we drink the whole bottle at 1:25:33
That’s a COMPELLING game
@@walter_the_wobot2349 I'll be curious to see how the rest of the game unfolds...
Well, what can I say? It's a bespoke drinking game. And with that, let's move on.
This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!
American Football is basically a turned based strategy game with real time elements.
😂
Thats why rugby is so much better
Wow I never thought of it like that!
and a bad one at that, with tons of ways for the company to take even more money from the players....
@@cooltwittertag Had never watched Rugby before this Olympics, and yeah, gotta agree. It's crazy how much less downtime it has, and how much more readable the action is.
08:22 - When Thomas speaks, you notice that the sharp parts in the image are the hair at his left side, and his left eye. Other parts of his face, like the nose, his right eye and the right part of his hair are blurry. That's because the camera is set to use a small f/ stop (aperture widely open), thus the depth of field is very shallow. I advice changing the f/ stop (closing the aperture) to widen the DoF. Sure, it will lower the bokeh effect (blur in the background), but the face will be sharper in more places.
put aside raytracing in Minecraft for a moment. Where's the native console versions for consoles approaching 4 years old? XSX just got 4K in December. Where's the HDR? 120FPS? SSD support? DualSense? PSVR2? vastly increased render distance?
6:25 ugh when animations snap into place like this it looks terrible. We've had examples of other games like RDR2 And LOU-PT.2 blending animations beautifully. I don't know why they'd have this quite intrusive pop/snap-to takedown animation in a game of this tier
Yeah, and both games took the better part of a decade to make.
@gamingeagle19 True, but those games are huge and chock full of state of the art tech, fluid animations are just one tiny piece in the grand scheme of things.
In my non-expert opinion, it seems fluid animation should have been something that AAA developers worked to figure out many years ago.
It’s an Ubisoft game… what did you expect? Corners will be cut. This isn’t a premier studio like rockstar or naughty dog who makes sure animations are insane.
RDR2 and TLOU prioritize animation over input responsiveness. This looks very good, but is obviously not suited for every type of game. If you want to judge the quality of the animation blending, you have to compare it to games with similar input responsiveness.
I, for one, do not care. It’s a video game
If Sony had actually made psvr2 the exra value of having backwards compatability i think it would have been a great success. I was litterally planing on getting both a ps5 and psvr2 but as soon as i heard i would not be able to play my psvr1 games i was out.
It also gives us less confidence that if there ever was a PSVR3 then these existing games will be supported.
@@sniper007ukI would expect a PS VR3 to still use controllers. VR2 has the same type of motion controllers as all other VR headsets, so VR3 would probably use something similar, which would make backwards compatibility much easier.
The main reason there isn't VR1 back compat is that it used a very different tracking and control scheme (with the external camera and move controllers), with some games (like astro bot) relying heavily on design of the tracking system, which makes it extremely difficult or impossible to translate without major redesigns.
TBH, I just bought a PSVR2 yesterday at the discount (and an adapter in a couple of days) because I have a PS5 and a gaming PC so it's nice to have a device that lets me play both. I'm not fussed about tethered gaming since I've only otherwise used an HTC Vive Pro and HP reverb G2 in the past. I'm a _never-zuck_ so the only other device I was thinking of getting was a Bigscreen Beyond, but then I've gotta get lighthouses and a pair of knuckles and that'll cost a fortune. So for £350 I'm pretty happy.
Love my Reverb G2. Shame it's going to become a brick when it becomes too much hassle to keep old WMR installations going.
@@Varmint260 yeah I got one for my office for client presentations, I can’t believe Microsoft abandoned WMR. We can only hope that a bunch of dedicated users will develop future hacks to keep WMR headsets going!
@@bob_obba That would be amazing, 'cause the G2 is really a phenomenal headset for my use case.
Are discounts for PSVR2 for US only? Can’t find any in EU 😢
The textures in Outlaws are looking really rough. It reminds me of UE3 games before the textures would "pop in."
The game is fine. Smh
@@jegjrtp87 You have low standards. Smh.
they are wayyyyyy sharper in game. I had a 4hr virtual session and it looks fantastic. the 1080p footage they showed in this video looks considerably worse than the 1080p record that i received. so FYI
@@TheMeltedJedi I did see a few previews talking about the graphics being a mixed bag and environments lacking detail up close.
IGN is their boss so they have to like this game.
I never understood the distaste for PSVR2, The features missing on PC arent their for Meta Quest either, In fact no other headset has the feedback of PSVR2, When I want a better submersion I go PSVR2 on PS5, If I wanna lounge I play Meta Quest, Theres room for both as I enjoy both, I just dont get it but I enjoy my PSVR2 for the last few months
Wireless is a huge plus on the Quest
Exactly! No games in PCVR support that, so why even talk about it or put PSVR2 for PC in a negative way .
@DroneCorpse Wired is the ultimate experience just a like a 4k bluray is the ultimate experience than streaming the movie.
I just scored a PS5. Canb't wait to get the headset, as I started out in VR on the PS4. I also have a Q3. People make fun out of fear, and we don't want every idiot in VR anyway. Not yet. Alot of them will be content with Wall-E style projection flat screens (already on sale as lightwieght glasses to project your social media/ multiplayer habit in fron to fyou while you walk the smaller dinosaur. We can have all the space to ourselves.
I wish DF would sometimes bring back a 4th member for these directs like they used to, I really enjoyed that instead of always being 3 people.
Great to see more of Captain Morgan and Oliver, they got a nice way about them. I always enjoy their coverage on different games.
As a side note, the heavyset older guy on the Xbox era podcast was throwing some serious shade on DF in their latest show. Not sure why, and not sure it’s a good idea to do so when that guy’s shown his tech knowledge is seriously lacking. Don’t like seeing DF’s good name being besmirched😤
Who's the "heavyset older guy on the Xbox era podcast"? I'm off the loop here lol
Who's that? DF are the best in the business.
I did a ctrl+f 'Digital Foundry' on their latest podcast (never seen it before) "The XboxEra Podcast | LIVE | Episode 223" and only two mentions came up at 1 hour 30 minutes, both were from Speshal_Nick who I'm pretty sure isn't the guy you were referring to. He was claiming that Digital Foundry has 'made sure that resolution doesn't matter this generation' so therefore they don't see the point in PS5 as everything runs at 60 fps which was the key benefit of PS4 Pro over PS4 Amateur. However, if the PS5 Pro suddenly means it has a better resolution than XSX then 'I'm sure digital Foundry will suddenly care about resolution'. They seem to believe that XSX is a more powerful system than PS5 in some ways, but that DF are biased to focus only on the strengths of the PS5.
I think we can all agree that's nonsense since DF are clearly and openly biased that the Steam Deck OLED is the best system this generation!
Tandem is the holy grail - I don't know if it's achievable for large TVs. It's essentially Dual-cell using 2 OLED panels which you'd think would be more complicated and expensive than Dual-cell but somehow they've struggled to generate Dual Cell for TVs. It also begs the question of how cheap Dual Cell would be using a monochrome LED and colour LED panel together for which you wouldn't even any local dimming which is now becoming the more complex part of the TV with 1,000-10,000 dimming zones.
1,000 nits full screen is overkill for TVs, most high-end LEDs top out at 700-800 for full window and it's irrelevant if 700 or 850.
For OLEDs, if they can hit 500-600 nits full window and sustain it for a few seconds with 400 nits full window sustained, TANDEM may be less important at that point.
Also, Tandem reduces the risk of burn-in massively.
The brightest option would be MicroLED, which has literally simply three LEDs per pixel (RGB) but TVs cost more than USD 100,000 from Samsung. xD
DF not invited?🤔
"Never invite the people who can point out your many flaws." - AAA marketing
Yeah pretty telling
DF Direct, and Digital Foundry itself, is awesome. You all are very fun to listen to, and I appreciate the info/entertainment.
1:32:25
... To be honest... All the many folks who say "works fine on my rig" on forum threads that discuss stutter/micro stutter are probably the same ones that are happy with Play Station streaming despite our grievances about lag and input delay...
EDIT:
Haha. Alright. Thanks for all those who replied. I should try my own home network. I remember steam link being roughly ok. I should give that another go i guess. Does anyone play out of their own home for PlayStation?
PS streaming is still better than most other cloud experiences except like Gforcenow
There might also be a bit of counter-reactionary mindset there in misunderstanding what we mean when we point out these issues or when DigitalFoundry does. They might be thinking we are saying that these issues completely ruin/make games not worth even trying out or buying, which isn't what we are saying, it's just that these issues make the games presentations less attractive which is a disservice to themselves. I think some people see criticisms like this as an attack of developers (which some people are rather...obtuse online, so I don't blame them) when it reality we are simply wanting solutions to ensure even higher fidelity gaming in the future.
Some people just aren't particularly sensitive to stuttering in games.
played through all of the original god of war games on very hard through streaming. tell me more about how it doesn't work
I use my PS5 through remote play 95% of the time. The experience has been great most of the time for me. PS5 on Ethernet and decent WiFi for my laptop. I played through half a dozen games like that, if not more.
PSVR2 is uncompressed video against the competition, if you want same feature you need to spend much more for Index and the Vive.
Please don't test AFMF 2 with RTSS's or any third-party's framerate control! Use Radeon Chill, available in the same page of the Radeon App. Chill is integrated to AFMF 2 for the best results with frame pacing, VRR and the like. I usually lock both limits to 60 (= 120 with FG). Even more important, don't use the Radeon App's Anti-Lag + external FRC - AFMF 2 is designed to run with Anti-Lag and FRC but it doesn't want both simultaneously.
Radeon chills isn't meant to be used as a framerate limited , its supposed to limit your fps at the press of a button so that your pc runs cooler while you're quickly away.
So what I gather from what you’re saying is that AFMF 2 isn’t very user friendly.
They're not using RTSS's framerate limiter, just the overlay.
@@miggies8140it is marketed as less heat but it is a frame limiter as good as the rest
@@BPipkins You are obviously not a Radeon user. The Radeon App is super easy to use, way better than juggling a bunch of third-party utils. Functionality such as FRC is not supported by any official Windows API. The only safe and robust way to implement that is either as part of each game engine, which some do but most don't, or as part of GPU drivers or first-party utilities made by the same people that have privileged information and access to their driver. Anything made by a third-party without such access like RTSS is inherently a hack, that will work on a best-effort basis but you are always risking some issues such as the fact that a FG system such as DLSS or FSR will not know to account for the third-party frame limiter's interference when calculating extremely precise timings for ideal frame pacing. I lost count of how many times I saw people including pro reviewers mention problems with RTSS, in all GPUs.
Resident Evil 4 is seen as one of the best games of all time. Its remake is on PS VR2 exclusively and is incredible. Add in GT7, Horizon, Resident Evil Village all as exclusives in its first year, and 90% of the best PC games are there now, and now the adapter for those that aren't. There are reasons to go for META instead, but I really don't think it's such a clear-cut thing.
I'd love to see you guys taking a look at the full version of Kunitsu-gami from Capcom. Beautiful game, runs well and has that ps2-era charm that I'm sure the crew would enjoy.
Sound cutting out on the gamepass pc version of the game made me put that down after 30 minutes
1:54:00: 1080ti is STILL more powerful than a PS5's GPU.
tom needs to be on the weekly show more often
Oliver got that Rizz
My partner wanted to play the Riven reboot, so I installed the Steam Link app on my 8 year old Sony Bravia 49" (XBR-X800D) w/Android TV (it's a pretty old version of Android TV tbh)... configured an XBox Series X controller with Bluetooth to the TV and am streaming my gaming PC (5600X+3080). The PC is across the other side of a 2BR apt.. both TV and PC connected by WiFi.. I am actually VERY impressed with how well it's working given the setup. She was playing it pretty much all day Saturday and it never skipped a beat she said it was working great. I was actually shocked. Of course Riven is a pretty slow paced puzzler but the couple times I was watching it, it looked great to me. It's not going to be near good enough for scrutiny by DF standards, but just to play the game it exceeded the expectations I had for it.
I still have the same tv. I bought a newer Sony Bravia last year, but my xbr-x800d still looks impressive in my bedroom.
I hope the Outlaws footage suffered from compression artefacts because MY GOD is the foliage blurry in motion. Also lovely seeing that tessellation line in the speeder section....fingers crossed
It's Snowdrop, pretty sure the foliage will look great. In the speeder section I thought the shadow maps from the grass were loading in ... but I could be wrong.
The OLED displays of the PSVR2 are reportedly much nicer than the Quest 3 LCD displays when connected to a gaming PC even without the HDR, feature and early reviews of the PC Adapter say the OLED displays look amazing on PCVR and that makes the PSVR2 the cheapest true PCVR headset with OLED Displays and Displayport technology, the Quest 3 does not have these two important features.
Not really, the Quest 3 Lenses are way better, also displayport LOL The Quest 3 is Wireless, use Virtual Desktop Steamer, Quest Link or Steam. The only thing the PSVR2 has is the OLED screen. I prefer the pancake lenses and the wireless connection. Also no HDR ROFL
Dude I know. More and more people are jumping on psVR2. Digital foundry is so biased when it comes to VR. Also the game library is huge. I am still working on my back log.
I have both and I hate the PSVR2 lenses. The sweet spot is so small and always looks bad like a blurry mess. Oled doesn’t matter if the lenses are bad. The pancake lenses in Quest 3 are amazing. No fiddling and nearly edge to edge clarity.
@@Ryan-mn8jj stop lying. You don’t have a psVR2. Also these fake news is not working. More and more people getting it and falling in love with it. The adaptive triggers alone wipes the floor with meta.
No way. Pentile oled so only 2/3 the subpixels with a screen door filter that adds a weird grainy effect. Basically the screens the Samsung Odyssey + had in like 2018. Also the Quest 3 optics are light years ahead of the PSVR2.
I have a Quest Pro and PSVR2 and the QP blows it away in therms of clarity and everything.
That college football gameplay was clearly recorded by a European with little to no understanding of American football and I appreciate that.
TOMMMMMMM IS BACCCCKKKK
Whoever's playing Star Wars in that gameplay preview is really adhering to the stereotype of video game journalists not being able to play video games.
For real I was trying to understand what the point was of repeatedly running straight into groups of 15 enemies with no cover. 😂
Looks like I may be buying a PS5 Pro and a much cheaper PS VR2 at some point.
Outside the DF bubble, the reason publishers don't care about 4K marketing assets is because absolutely everyone is watching stuff on their phones these days. It's perfectly understandable and not that big a deal - when you play the game locally on your PS5 plugged into a 4K TV it's gonna be upscaled from 720p anyway lol
Star Wars Outlaws looks really dated to me, I don’t know if it’s the art style but compared to the latest AC, Ghost Recon, Avatar and Jedi Survivor it looks weird.
I don't want to say anything until the game is out and I can see it outside of what UA-cam compression does to it. Overall the lighting looks very good as well as the foliage
I agree, this game looks meh.
It has extremely advanced real time lighting. It uses RTGI. Which looks way better than in open world games like Horizon or Starfield. The only system that is comparable is Lumen in UE5, but there doesn't exist any comparable open world game with UE5.
I guess when you say it looks bad you mean the frame rate? Or the animations?
@@crestofhonor2349 but if you watch the other games on UA-cam they still look amazing
When we saw Avatar on the same engine, it was OMG this is next-gen or maybe this is PC max graphics, no way this is running on consoles
Outlaws, you look at it and go well RDR2 nearly half a decade ago on consoles look sharper and better
This game probably has great textures and models but as the PC requirements show its 720p upscaled and not a great look
Oliver & Tom are SERVING in the thumbnail and Rich is just bewildered. bumping that. 🤣
01:47:00 People simply are spoiled. For the first time in like 25 Years a truly game changing technology hits and 99% of ppl on Reddit are complaining like mommy stole their candy and in other posts write "yeah my Intel 960 (from 2011?) with my GTX 1060 is still fine", when in reality it's very likely that even a 150$ CPU could double their framerate (paired with a GTX 1060). You don't have to buy a new PC every 2 Years, but everything > 5 Years is a LONG TIME even "right now". Just as an example: Ryzen 5000 was released in 2020 and Ryzen 7000/9000 produce around 15-30% more frames. That is the difference between "somewhere in the 40ish frames" and "more than 60 FPS". Now imagine how big the difference is when your PC is 7,8,9,10 Years old. If you only play Pixelart games like Stardew Valley - fine, but if you want to play Tripple A Games on Ultra Settings, you simply need a "Ultra PC". If you don't have one, take 2500 EUR/USD and buy one. If that is not in your budget range, stop complaining and play on lower settings. The game will still be fun.
1:24:10 You are partially wrong there; when they launched the Beyond Light expansion that "deleted" a lot of launch content, that was in tandem with some form of backend overhaul for the engine. The details about what specifically they reworked though is still not exactly clear, as a good chunk of the game still generally "looks" the same. There's a "This Week At Bungie" article or two on their website from a few years ago that addresses the topic.
That clip of Tom playing the NCAA football game and running the wrong direction was perfectly timed with what he was saying 😂😂
Those camera cuts in College Football are so jarring. Going through frame by frame, there's a lot of weird stuff going on. The initial scene pauses for a few frames, then when it finally cuts to the new angle, the players are in a generic pose for a frame, before popping into their mocap positions; the cheerleaders spawn in with a lower LOD, missing some of their hair and stuff... it looks crazy, and you can sense that something is "popping" into existence even without slowing it down, even if you can't see all of those details that are changing. I think it's enough that it would bother me if I was playing the game. It sure stuck out in this video.
The lighting, especially the self-shadowing on the characters, looks super realistic though.
@@cube2fox agreed, it looks beautiful.
still no mention of the Soul Reaver remasters in the news topic list. Is DF waiting for the official announcement to mention it?
Not much to cover from a technical perspective
never heard of it, is it confirmed?
Moonlight is so good, the latency is near zero when setup properly. It's the only way I use my Steamdeck now since I can stream the highest quality with the highest FPS to the Steamdeck.
My favorite notionally instant notification of the week
I gor psvr2 on day 1 and have never regretted it for a moment. Even if GT7 was the only game I used it for it would still be worth it. Still got Wanderer, Alien and Behemoth I think Oliver needs to do some more research.
3:55 - compelling
6:58 - curious
2:00:46 - compelling
Dont you mean bespoke?
Curiously compelling. Quite bespoke, in the here-and-now.
@@3thirds381 Did you click on the timestamps?
Nobody Wants to Die is less of a game and more of an interactive adventure; an experience to be had. At its core it’s a walking simulator.
You play as a detective in a retro-futuristic 1940’s New York setting complete with all of the tropes we’ve come to know and love.
AFMF 2 is nice to play around with, but it'll become less and less relevant, with most games having FSR3 support in the future. Mainly because that's becoming easier, and easier to integrate into games.
I think what AFMF makes vialable is High refresh rate displays for mid range GPU's. As someone who moved from a RX 580 to a 6600xt I haven't felt the need for an upgrade to my 1080p 75hz (freesync) display from 2017, as while older games would play better and nicer at higher res/framerate with newer games such as AW2 I would be forced to play at my current display specs anyway. With framegen on any game this is no longer the case making a monitor upgrade much more worth it.
So... zero effort on the Mana PC version, interesting. Another UE game I won't be buying.
Rich, when Sony acquired Bungie, it was stated that Bungie would remain an independent subsidiary of SIE as long as certain targets were hit.
With various missteps it wouldn't surprise me if they missed those targets, so as part of that takeover deal, SIE can run Bungie entirely no longer independent
The current consoles DO have exotic hardware! They are still to this day beating high end PC's in load times for cripes sake.
I felt a bit gutted when the Ally X was revealed to have more this and faster that. But knowing I only paid £400 for my Ally and the X is £800 but has less than 10% better performance makes me feel a whole load better. No one should trade from the OG Ally to the X, it makes no sense. And for that matter, no one looking to buy a handheld should pay £800 for the X when the OG Ally can be had on sale for almost half that amount of money. At £600 the X would have made sense, not at £800, not by a long shot.
For me it was pretty simple, no HL:Alyx, no PSVR2 for me.
Sony should have aggressively courted Valve to port it.
Imagine how much the adoption rate would have exploded with that title alone in the library.
Then drop an updated Left for Dead 2 port.
@@charlesshamseldin9555 I just bought Half Life Alyx on Steam, that is currently on sale, and I'll be playing it with my PSVR2 headset.
I like Tom being on the show. Get him on more often. Cheers for covering the sports games Tom. :)
JAKARTA Sony Corporation doesn't seem to care about its virtual reality headset (VR) anymore. After stopping production of PlayStation VR (PSVR) 2
Sony also cut funding for its games. Reporting from Android Central, Sony's closest source revealed that the Japanese company had discussed game development opportunities for PSVR 2. According to Sony, the chances of VR games for the device are only a few in the future. Another source said that Sony would only develop two more games for the device. This is very bad news for its users, especially since the new PSVR 2 was released in February last year
DF __finally__ took note of moonlight. Took only a decade
It is quite easy to install BazziteOS on the Rog ally. Even I managed to do it with bascially zero linux knowledge.
It gives you steamOS on the ally making it operate almost exactly like a steamdeck.
It works brilliantly tbh. You get all the steamOS advantages like fast resume etc. and you keep VRR and the performance of the ROG ally.
There's some slight hackery to be able to adjust the TDP but it's handled pretty well.
1:56:20: The OG Xbox was a x86 processor. There have ALWAYS been cost effective x86 CPUs, especially when compared to RISC. And what RISC gives you with a reduced instruction set, it takes right back in requiring more memory to accomplish the same thing. And expensive memory was a HUGE deal back then. So no, RISC did not have that advantage.🤡🤡🤡🤡
Hey Rich AFMF 2 does work with vsync btw. I was trying to cap my FPS in Star Citizen and Radeon Chill wouldn't work and launching MSI Afterburner to use RTSS to cap the FPS would cause the game to crash which is why I gave v-sync a try in the games menu and it capped the FPS to 60 and than was able to use AFMF to double it.
Sup Terra
Nobody wants to die in VR is epic and Lossless Scaling is gonna have X4 fps option in september! So any 30 fps game will be able to go to 120 fps!
Theys should definitely test AFMF 2 and Lossless Scaling (including x4) with low base frame rates.
It's ironic the PSVR2's biggest problem is lack of quality software, when that's the biggest issue with PCVR as well. There's plenty of capable headsets for cheap and even the "high end" ones aren't _that_ much better. I see a lot of people say they won't buy into VR until the headsets are better, when in reality the hardware is already there, but when you do jump in with both feet like I did 8ish years ago, you quickly realize there's precious few games that are anything more than a glorified tech demo.
What we need is less dedicated overpriced VR games that developers never recoup development costs on, and more that take a No Man's Sky approach and simply add a VR option to existing and upcoming games. I find it odd how many games will take the development time to implement high end ray and even path tracing that few people have the hardware to run, but oddly ignore supporting VR that has a _TON_ of installed base headsets that surely couldn't take that much time to implement when we already have mods like UEVR that shows how easy it is to convert a single image to two. They only need to map the controller inputs which they already do for gamepads to begin with.
It just seems a no brainer to do that little bit of extra work to make your game stand out vs path tracing few can realistically use. And that's coming from someone that actually _does_ have a GPU fast enough for path tracing.
12:35 this animation really looks awful, you can see 3 inches of air between her hands and the NPC!
Visions of Mana on PC with a RTX 4090 still runs like trash. Classic UE PC nonsense.
Yea I was on a 4080 with 5800x, like fps was fine but the stutters was really, really bad and way too common.
@killerfugu2659 ah that's my rig too. I was going to try the demo but might not bother
And no native ultrawide or HDR support
Zombie Army VR, a sequel to Wanderer (considered one of the better VR games), Metro, Alien, and Behemoth aren't compelling compared to what we got for PSVR1? ...wut. I don't know if Oliver likes horror, but he should try Madison VR (he said he hasn't played any PSVR2 this year). In terms of games after a year and a half, it's not getting less support than PSVR1. I guess I need to remind myself that nobody on this channel seems to really care about VR stuff.
I've bought more VR games than flat titles this year and I'm looking forward to the titles you mentioned, I don't know if people realize how much is out there for VR gamers and it's really disappointing when important channels like DF downplay this much spreading doom and gloom vibes.
I dont think VR gets enough publicity compared to non VR games. Theres some great looking games coming but only people who already have VR seem to know much about them.
John is a big supporter of VR and often talks about it on this channel. He champions the Meta Quest 3
I don't get how they manage to turn something positive into something negative. Disappointing coming from them.
Yeah I always thought DF had a grip on things but Okiver is talking BS about PSVR2. The lineup, while perhaps not 1st party, is amazing.
These don't exist (in Richards universe, for some strange reason).
Just so you know I tried the PSVR2 app with my PSVR2 headset just connected to my RX 7900XTX(MBA) USB-C port and everything actually works so I guess the adapter isnt needed if you got the right GPU design. 😁
Shout out to Moonlight too! In house streaming is phenomenal and to echo Oliver, it's a wonderful experience paired with the deck.
Minecraft RTX on PC does not exist in the way they imply it does. There are a couple pre-made maps you can download and check out that have RT, but you can't do anything other than walk around. There is no way to actually play the game with RT on PC without mods.
Actually you can. You have to enable the RTX Graphics pack in the world options when you create it.
Just to add a bit of precision: You must enable the "Kelly's RTX Vanilla" ressource pack. You have to be in the main menu to enable or disable it since you can't switch it on or off when you're in game.
RTX texture packs by the community have been incredible, though. They even go as far as to include workarounds to certain rendering bugs in Minecraft RTX that Mojang still hasn't fixed.
It seems like they mostly abandoned RTX in favor of deferred rendering.
That is false. You need a PBR based texture pack to use ray tracing in normal worlds. Once you have one downloaded it works in any map you want, even ones with custom models. Kelly's RTX is a great pack as well as Defined PBR. There is also a mod for Minecraft RTX called Better RTX which fixes some issues and improves the game visually with barely any performance hit
Not to sound like Apple but one of the biggest reasons why I am not interested in a device like the ROG Ally X is the I’ve been working on an O lead transition. I’m kind of trying to switch everything I have over to OLED because the only thing left now that I upgraded my iPad to the M4 iPad Pro is my PC monitor and that’s mostly because I don’t feel super on board with any of the OLED monitors on the market. I’d probably go for the MSI one if I had to buy one right now, but I’m still sceptical.
Psvr2 adapter is good for consumers!
Sorry if you noted this, was working while listening but I didn't hear you mention one of the biggest advantages of running Moonlight via Steamdeck as your default option for playing games. Battery life. Streaming something like Elden Ring from the desktop at a smooth and consistent frame rate with better graphics options and a 6 hr battery on the OLED is an exceptional handheld gaming experience. Basically zero fan noise too.
Moonlight moderator here, with the right host, client, and network you should be able to achieve as little as 1 frame behind the host system.
6:25 It's very very kind of the enemies to teleport to you, so you can phase your leg through their leg - and allow you to hover your hands over them, until they're on the floor and they give up.
Just imagine if they had the money, tech and team to make these animations somewhat believable...
One of the biggest points in favor of a single SoC type architecture is that it gives developers more access and control to the underlying hardware. In the 80's and 90's all game devs essentially shipped a custom OS with their game (boot disks). There just wasn't enough space to have a a BIOS and OS running on the same machine. Upside was devs had direct access to all system resources - guaranteed. With the proliferation of standalone CPUs and GPUs and their added black box magic and drivers on top of drivers, this just isn't the case. The amount of computing power we're leaving on the table is staggering. Hardware manufacturers have been getting way too comfortable for way too long.
Tom returns!
34:39 Cold blooded of Oliver to put that gameplay clip in there
Bazzite OS Vs WIndows 11 on the Ally X, please!
Nary a mention of Pete's car collection?
I was quite impressed with AFMF2. As Rich alluded to; the biggest benefit is getting a game to output at a consistent framerate somewhere in the sweet spot of your monitors VRR rate. There's a driver native framecap thing available in Radeon Chill - using that disables something else IIRC. In addition to DX11/12 it works on Vulkan (and I thing OpenGL). More options are always good. I tested it on Jedi Survivor; it didn't help with that games awful traversal stuttering.
My absolute favourite combination on this podcast.
As long as Outlaws doesn't stutter like Jedi Survivor/Fallen Order then it'll be a win.
Considering it's the same engine as Avatar Frontiers of Pandora I don't expect stutter
As long as this slop doesn't come out it'll be a win.
@@Sisyphus_Must_Game.-tf3bq What slop?
@@ThisisCitrus the whole game.
@@Sisyphus_Must_Game.-tf3bq Its not even out yet, you're just a hater, we don't know if its good or not.
2:25 Was Gamer Network not invited or only DF? Is it standard practice for all subdivisions of a company to be invited separately to such events?
Rich specifically thanks people from Gamer Network for their footage so they must have been invited. I suspect invites are grouped by publication (the people doing the inviting have relationships with publications) rather than parent company (whoever that happens to be this week).
After I got my psVR2 this year. I kind of stopped flat screen gaming, and I had been gaming over 20 years. I love digital foundry, but they are so biased when it comes to VR.
Mainly PSVR2, the UA-cam space hates it even if their subs love it
I bought a PSVR2 at launch and have pretty much only played in VR since (HD2 aside).
I totally don't understand the negative narrative around it. It's an awesome device, and for all the love John gives the Quest 3, it will be a cold day in hell before I give a cent to Meta.
I was over the moon when they announced PC support, no need for a separate PC headset!
@@blackmy01 I stay in VR. My biggest issue with it is the exercise I get from it...which is why I play it lmao
If you listen to gaming podcasts non-stop who say "PSVR2 is dead", you'll believe it.
If you don't listen to the podcasts and simply play the awesome games that have been released, the headset is alive and kicking and extremely fun and immersive.
That’s true. And some of the negative stuff is also driven by people who won’t/can‘t afford the device. Which isn’t anything bad but it’s not a nice way to constantly bully the platform.
Sony could have done so much more for the very good headset but it’s like it is. There are definitely some nice games available.
@@GaminylGames PC adapter made it relevant as it is PCVR device now. And Alien Rogue Incursion is coming to PS5 as well.
Id buy PSVR2 over Quest 3 for the simple fact that Zuckerturds tendrils are not involved.
They didn’t want you guys to be part of the preview because you are an honest outlet. If the game sucks you will let let us know.
And yet they were more positive than 99% of the internet.
Comment is incorrect, because Digital Foundry clearly obeys all publisher request/demands about comments, embargo’s, and willingly plays the publisher’s controlled marketing game.
@@Kaztrofy Probably because they're just looking at it from a technical side not the other more contentious parts
Except they didnt tell us Avatar FoP sucked 😂
Always to nice to hear from Oliver!
1:09:16 nice work Rich. Almost got that Achievement man. Keep it up!
The biggest advantage of the extra RAM on the Ally X I have noticed is less hitching, which is an issue with the 16GB handhelds. Still would have preferred a 24GB Legion Go as the screen size is hands down better to the point where I keep finding my Ally X screen to be tiny and narrow by comparison. If the game doesn't suffer from having only 16GB, then the Go is the ideal choice, if its hitching a lot, then its the Ally X and its almost to small screen.
I appreciate your healthy doubt when it comes to EA Sports's implementation of RT ;)
Phantom dust is available on PC through the Xbox app already
@34:43 somewhere in the world there is a John Linneman yelling “TOM! YOURE GOING THW WRONG WAY!!! YOIRE GOING THE WRONG WAY!!!” Love the content and keep it up guys.
Totally fair! And thank you :D
1:27:00 Try Parsec for streaming especially if you'd like to stream Headlessly from your PC without turning the monitor on.
With regards to supporter question 4, I use the recommended spec shown on the Steam store page as a guide. If the developer tells me that my PC is good enough to run their game, I expect a stable 60 FPS. If the developer tells me that my PC is not good enough to run their game, I'll wait to play it until I've upgraded.
If my PC is better than or equal to the recommended spec shown on the Steam store page, and I'm regularly dropping below 60 FPS, the developers have messed up. Bearing in mind that I always wait 3-6 months to play a game to give the developers chance to fix launch problems with patches, so by that time, yeah I don't expect to encounter any serious problems.