AA Lithium Rechargeable Comparison: Jugee, Bonai, Amptorrent, EBL, Tenavolts, Gigastone, Deleepow
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- I purchased and compared 7 different brands of AA Lithium rechargeable batteries for your amusement and my own.
For more info on the batteries and testing: s.co.tt/aalithium
The Big Clive video wherein he does a teardown of a Jugee cell: • JUGEE battery teardown...
00:00 Intro
02:37 Test Rig mAh Meter Demo
05:13 Results and Spreadsheet "Fun"
07:50 Load Testing Demo
09:22 Unboxing
14:07 Charging Currents
15:43 Charging LEDs
16:33 Charging Thermals
17:28 Outro
18:52 Tangent!
19:56 Construction of Test Rig (Time Lapse) - Наука та технологія
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Subscribed because I enjoyed your dry humor. One of the best reviews I have watched on UA-cam.
Your datasheet is simply fantastic. Thank you.
Scott, you are incorrect about the Jugee's, they only maintain 1.5v constant until they are drained to a certain level (Possibly 2/3rds of capacity), then they switch to 1.2v to simulate or trigger low power warning for some devices, basically they are designed to to drop, not run 1.5v constant then shut down like others do, I have been using a few different brands of these lithium AA's and the only ones I have that will trigger a low power warning before they fully runout are the Jugee's, all the others shutoff without warning, so they may not give you the full rated power, but they certainly work better in simulating a 1.5v disposable battery and they have lasted longer than the other ones I purchased, mainly the Kentli, which all died after less than 20 power cycles.
Yes. They are good. Last long and warn me before they die.
Big Clive has a teardown video of the jugee and he recommends them also
@@gd.ritter After all these years out of around 24 AA sized units, I've had 2 or 3 fail, so they have done me quite well.
just the timelapse at the end deserves a like
Awesome.
Halarious at times.
Well done.
Thanks for the review! My first foray into lithium rechargeable AA cells was the Epoch brand, that each have a micro-USB socket. Each 4-pack comes with a half-octopus cable that plugs into a USB A socket on one end, and each cell's micro-USB socket at the other. In practice this is less fun than going to the dentist, so I never use them. We'll see if the Gigastone charger fixes that. Gigastone sounds like a CPU benchmark form 20 years ago.
Did you actually see at what point of the life cycle the Jugee’s dropped in voltage? From my understanding this is only supposed to happen when they have reached a low overall remaining charge, and the voltage drop is actually intentional in order to trigger low battery indicators on devices that watch for low voltage to indicate low remaining charge. These are quite popular in the Gameboy modding scene for that exact reason and some pretty involved members of the community have worked directly with Jugee to try to work out ideal voltage for this purpose. They have actually changed the indicating voltage based on user feedback. I’ve yet to take the plunge on any lithium ion AA’s so I’m curious what your testing showed on this feature. If it’s truly triggering at ~50% capacity, that’s definitely a problem.
A very thorough test and I liked the presentation.
Yeah, the statement that they 'always output 1.5V' at 6:00 isn't 100% correct. The EBLs and the JUGEEs definitely have that 'low charge' feature. They intentionally drop the voltage to 1.2V resp 1.1V, in order to trigger the device's low voltage indicator. Then they still run on the lower voltage for a short period, before totally cutting out.
Not sure if the other brands have that feature too. Would be nice to see a little addendum test. I mean...what else to do with 'so many hecking batteries'? :)
The JUGEEs are also available with a 4 and 8 slot charger with USB-C.
Spot on, they are designed to drop so you can have some early warning.
Perfect! This saved me from a huge mistake!
I thought Lithium would simplify my life by not needing to swap out batteries as much in devices... but now I am seeing that this adds the complication of different chargers for different batteries, and wildly inconsistent performance and specs. Think I'll stick with good old-fashioned NiMH batteries for now, the last set lasted me nearly 7 years before they started being problematic, so moving to lithium is probably just wasting money unless I have portable devices that really need the extra power.
Thank you for recommending batteries for us Juggalos, an underepresented group in UA-cam review videos.
I love your work, sir. I subscribed for more content like this.
The old EBL NiMH 2800mah used to have some of the highest capacity for NiMH when new, but they tanked quickly over time. Cool video
I bought a set of the 2800mAh EBLs, too. They don't hold a charge very well when they are sitting unused. That might be fine if you are going to be using them right away but after a month they loose half of their charge just sitting in the battery case they came with. Their 2500mAh version holds a charge much better and are actually pretty high quality NiMH cells (and are a couple dollars cheaper per case of eight).
When EBL is the most known and trustworthy company in a lineup, there is fun ahead!
I don't trust LiPo too many bad examples
I'm deciding which line of batteries to invest in. And EBL seems to be the winner. The professional website had a lot of influence on my decision. If you don't put effort into a professional website, then you also half ass the battery production.
@@johnharrison4592 And how the website quality is related to the quality of the production? If they produce websites - yes. But no, they produce batteries.
Thanks for the spoiler! You gave the most wanted information early
Hi Scott, are they interchangeable in the chargers? Or has each one a proprietary technology?
Great review. Thanks.
Super informative !
Great video :) Voltage sag under heavy load is quite typical for voltage regulators as they self-protect from current and thermal overload. The voltage regulators in these cells are tiny and i doubt they are rated much more than 1A. A tare-down would be interesting. We have all had at some point a finicky remote, gizmo or toy which really only works well with fresh alkalines and these applications are where i hope these lithium ion AA cells could really shine. It would have been really interesting to see voltage under much lower loads - 50mA, 100mA, 250mA, etc - i hope it would have been closer to 1.5v.
I bought the AmpTorrent a year ago or so and use them in LED flashlights. Because the hold 1.5V the flashlights are brighter than other rechargeable or alkaline.
On the downside, because they hold 1.5v until they can’t, the flashlights just stop working one day. The light doesn’t fade letting you know it’s time to replace the battery.
hi, is possible to charge one brand Li Ion 1,5V baterie with another brand charger? thx
Excellent video. Just one comment. The load tests should be done with a much lower current. Say 10 mA, 100 mA , 500 mA and maybe 1 A.
What I'd like to know is how they perform at very low discharge - like a smoke detector. That would take a long time to get results but it would be worth it. NiMH, even the LSD eneloops suffer from voltage drops over time. How do these perform compared to disposable Lithium AA?
Excellent video.
re: "the Energizer Lithium cells must also have a DC-DC converter on board as well, and they clocked in at 3427mAh" Nope. The Energizer Lithium AA batteries are primary (non-rechargeable) that use lithium iron disulfide (LiFeS2) chemistry with a nominal voltage output of 1.5vDC. They have no on-board voltage reduction circuitry.
Do you have a recommendation for a low cost tester for Lithium Ion (both chargeable and nonchargeable) batteries? I heard the testing should be "under load". I use A LOT of batteries in trail cameras and I need to group batteries with similar charge together. I'm not fluent with anything to do with current or how batteries work, so please keep it simple. I want to be able to test Energizer Lithium Ion 1.5V batteries (mostly) and lithium Ion 1.5V rechargeable batteries (Amp Torrent) . Something that worked on both would be ideal, mainly for the useful remaining life of lithium nonchargeable batteries, as they seem to yield different readings each time I test them.
This error could be on me, or my cheap multimeter that just died, which started this search and brought me to you. Again, something simple, or easy to make or all ready made, and has it's own battery so it can be portable.
Thank you
well done! thank you.
Love your no BS attitude. Don't change it.
I've been trying out the AmpTorrent for a while and so far it's about the best substitute for an alkaline AA at least in my use case. I use it for my Omron blood pressure cup all the way through using it for LED candles which run about 4 hours per night. In addition, I found that it had good compatibility in some of my granddaughters toys.
I hated the thought of sticking USB dongles into the side of my batteries. However, I'd like to see a standardization and ideally a company like Amazon selling their version of lithium rechargeable batteries. More to do with trust and replacement than anything else.
I was wondering how it would work in a bike light (just a dual AA flashlight) - nice to hear it's pretty close to Alkaline performance in an LED candle.
@@jtee9548 .. Just know there isn't much warning when the AA Li-ion batteries are drained. Basically 1.5v all the time and then a sudden drop following nothing. Frankly, all of these lithium-ion batteries for AA and AAA need work and standardization for recharging. At this point or beta testers. Also with that brand I've run across a few dead cells, and were easily replaced by Amazon.
Some of them follow a snadard, called MILBEP. In the video these are at least: Jugee, Amptorrent and Gigastone.
@@DJaquithFL From the ones in the video Jugee give a warning - they drop to a lower voltage before dropping completely.
@@2L40K .. Interesting that my reply disappeared. Long story short, it's simply isn't the case. I have two different brands of lithium ion, AA and AAA batteries and they're good for low drainage things like remotes and LED candles etc. Otherwise I would recommend Amazon's high-capacity nickel metal hydride batteries.
Does AA Lithium leak over time like Duracells? Thanks.
Nice video
Thank you so much.
How does Lithium-Ion Rechargeable from Smartools compare to Tanavolts?
Can you test if you can charge this battery's with a common Li-Ion charger like the Opus BT-C3100?
"Testing" this physically is a very-very stupid idea. Unless you want to get what ELECTROBOOM usually gets...
You instead test the charging curve of the original charger and compare it to the charging curve of a Li-ion charger.
I'm already wishing for AA/AAA batteries based on _LiFePO4_ chemistry, which is generally safer and good for more cycles. The only downside is energy density.
That said, my *REAL* wish is for devices to *STANDARDIZE* to use and recharge straight Lithium Ion (or LiFePO4) batteries, such as 18650s, 14450s (AA form factor), etc.
I'd say the Ten-a-Volts are the best. Capacity isn't everything unless your running a low power flashlight or something. Voltage sag during discharge proves the quality of cell inside. In my opinion.
i should have watched this before i bought some. i followed a buying guide for batteries for the hp reverb g2, they recommended the jugee, lol.
Is all that stuff behind you doing something?
Needed 1.5v batteries for some vr controllers I have. Amazon reviews are worthless when it comes to find scientific evidence, thanks for the time you put into this
What happened to tenavolts??? cant get them anywhere
Kratax AAAs sure seemed to suck. I bought eight and severaldon't charge properly and the voltage seems to vary from 1.4v to over 4v... that can't be good.
Very interesting, thx for that. I didn't know these were such a mainstream thing now. Seeing this, it looks like a huge incompatibility mess. Despite there being 3.7V Li-Ion AA cells (without any circuit), looks like charging on these 1.5V regulated cells is a mess. Seeing the chargers from the Video, one showed 1.5V charging voltage, one 4.2V charging voltage, one 5V charging voltage. So obviously some rely on a charging circuit inside the battery, as some others do not. This means you always have to keep battery and charger together and can never mix them - or things might explode 🙈
Not a complete mess. Some of them follow a snadard, called MILBEP. In the video these are at least: Jugee, Amptorrent and Gigastone.
Так это особенность Jugee для того чтобы можно было заменить в устройствах до внезапного отключения устройства. У них ступенька с 1,5В до 1,1В перед полным разрядом. Посмотрите разрядную кривую у производителя.
note: flashing LED indicates "fast" charging, steady = topping up, off = full
The only problem that I've encountered with rechargeable Lithium Ion batteries is the complete blocking of the AM band on my portable radios. This may be due to the safety circuitry in the battery. Other than that, they are fine for flashlights etc.
I never buy Li-Ion batteries without the protection circuit for obvious reasons.
When it comes to USB I never liked anything hanging out of the side of my laptop. It is easy to bump it them you have a socket is loose and never holds a reliable connection ever again. It is because of that I bought a Bluetooth mouse so it can be paired to the Bluetooth that is a part of my WiFi card.. Now no more dongles hanging out of the side awkwardly waiting to wreck my sockets! The only downside is that the mouse has to be paired to work and does not work while in Windows setup (no driver or pairing setup yet). I also like Bluetooth because I use it to send a photo from the phone to the laptop. It is not a fast transfer but the tradeoff is the ease of the transfer. Some of my photos are 30 MB or more and so they can take a good few minutes to transfer over.
Just a note ... you can buy short USB extension cords if you don't want to plug a USB device into a USB port. Just make sure that they have *HEAVY GAUGE WIRE* to minimize voltage drop, and also minimize their length.
Unless you are buying a 100 ft usb extension cord, the Voltage isn't dropping ...
Now need to find a good charger for these.
Used to be a rechargeable battery maniac until charging over and over and over and waiting and waiting got old. Went back to standard batteries
You are good!
what about hixon.
Hi Scott
Can I charge these batteries in other chargers?
Or are they recharged only with the brand charger?
I wish I could say for certain, but I'm not sure. In theory they should all have similar charging characteristics but I don't want to worry about it causing a 🔥🔥🔥.
@@ScottDotDot
this is exactly my concern!😅
thanks for the attention
Some specify to only use the same brand. From what I've read some charge differently and have different circuitry.
why are AA Lithium Rechargeable so uncommon? can't find any information on that.
Any charger that only uses a micro usb plug will never charge as quickly as a charger with a usb c plug as micro usb can only handle 7 or 8 watts whereas usb can can handle 60 watts if not more.
Also I wish you would have done Blackube b/c they offer "high drain" AA's.
Jugee Jagger-not ?
Thanks. Can I used my Eneloop slow charger (it has fast charge too) for these AA lithium rechargeables?
God bless, advance happy Easter.
Revelation 21:4
I've had nothing but issues with my EBL. I use their chargers and even though they say fully charged the batteries that still work only last about a week at most in an Amazon Fire TV remote. Out of the 60 batteries I've purchased I've had 14 go totally dead before the third or fourth charge. We use our batteries in remotes and clocks, not exactly high current drain devices. EBL batteries are garbage as is their tech support. I've complained to them several times and they don't care. And people wonder why we try to buy American. Ya, go figure. In my opinion I would stay away from the EBL brand of battery. Total junk.
On the Project Farm video where he tested them, they also had the biggest discrepancy between stated capacity and actual capacity. Between that and your comment, I'll be steering clear from them as a brand.
I Literally stumbled onto the end of this video just about 25-35 seconds before the "don't judge a book by it's cover"...
And I have to say, "Wow... I wholeheartedly cannot believe that you ended your review with such a filth infested twist on an old & wise classical saying that happens to be a total fuckin cliché... I just had to take the time to say....
‼️‼️I SIR AM HELLA IMPRESSED‼️‼️
😀😀😀😀😁😁😁😁😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I tell ya what idiots can waste extra cash on lithium rechargeable batteries I’ll stick with my good old eneloops brand they r the best of the best they may not have the highest mah but dam if they don’t out last all the higher mah rechargeables 8 plus years strong and still running them daily and they seem to be running like the day i got em in the main from eBay although the kids lost over half of the originals do they last as long as alkalines do no but it’s dam close actually the eneloops out perform the energizers and duracell brand alkalines as the alkalines drop in voltage straight from the get go the eneloops kept a steady current until they hit around 8 to 5 percent charge rate just ordered more eneloops told the kids they ain’t touching the new ones I ordered. Eneloop white aa keep a steady 1.2 volts every time
Keep in mind, there are some instances where you absolutely need 1.5 volts constantly.
In 90% of cases the eneloops are amazing and are honestly one of the best options. (I have yet to have a single one fail) However, I have a couple of tools that I use that require 1.5V consistently which is where a set of lithium's would work better.
An example would be my studfinder, it requires 1.5v to work, it won't even power on with the eneloops.
I bought the AmpTorrent for a single cell LED flashlight. The constant 1.5v makes a huge difference in the amount of light.
I also use Enerloops in wireless mouse and keyboard which are much less finicky.
I just wonder if they will burn my house down at some point
I enjoyed your smartassery, but left unfulfilled. You should close with the top 3 like a race. I have no idea who won, as you seemed totally apathetic toward this endeavor. Try closing with a brief summation of facts.. Just sayin. Bush pilot.
Your funny as hell
This guy doesn't seem to care about people in the comments section, 8 months in, December 2021, not a single response 😁
i think thats a good thing. we are just the viewers, in no other medium are those in the videos expected to constantly interact with their viewers.
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