Noctua stole my idea!
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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We're at the Noctua booth at Computex 2024 where they've cooked up a handful of really cool prototypes and upgrades- including one that I suggested to them 3 years ago that they turned down!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:32 The Noctua Power Supply
2:50 2nd gen NH-D15 + fan design changes
4:50 ...but there's 3 VERSIONS
6:50 So what's my problem with it?
8:58 Prototype Phase-change thermosyphon
10:00 The...desk fan...
12:03 Outro / bet - Наука та технологія
Missed opportunity to use a Noctua-edition LTT screwdriver for the backstabbing
Yes
Absolutely disappointed
New LTT screwdriver, Noctua backstab edition: comes with scalpel bit, poison needle bit, and Phillips and Torx bits!
I forgot to bring one!! - LS
@@EricGerlachCaI'd actually buy that
wym, pause it and look again :P orange end cap
Why Noctua took so long? World production of brown paint doesn't keep up the pace with Noctua needs.
I hate that noctua color scheme... not only it doesn't match most of components and color schemes... but... it's BROWN... who wants brown items? it's only good for leather and some garments...
@@geort45 well... everybody will know that it's a noctua fan... I think that is the point.
@@geort45 It's poop brown, but it's NOCTUA poop brown. And EVERYONE knows that it's a Noctua by that poop brown. It's a good poop brown
@@Nopuluwell your avatar does have noctua color scheme
@@geort45it’s not for everyone and that’s ok. They don’t have to appeal to everyone
You could say they were a fan of this powerful idea
Cool
BANNED
Badum tss
They were... on... C R A C K!
two puns on one sentence... wow
I wish I was a validation engineer at Noctua. "Hey I am going to start my soak test, I'll be back in 10 years."
😂
Lol. They're probably running accelerated tests though, maybe spinning them at faster than their rated speeds or something like that.
Probably more about cycles. You ramp the speed up while also heating it, then cool it down, rinse and repeat a few thousand times. It still takes a while but probably days not years.(idk exactly how they do it, just drawing it from examples I know about in other industry)
@@frosthammer917 Almost has to be. Running at steady state doesn't really tell you much. Failures generally occur when a component starts, heats up or cools down.
Also keep in mind Noctua is integrating components made by other manufacturers. The bearings, motors etc. already have at least some life cycle testing done on them that Noctua can use as a baseline.
@@frosthammer917 Always about cycles. Designing load cycles is a science and an art, simulating years of wear and tear in weeks and months is a challenge but a necessary one. I should ask my colleagues what goes into it, they're quite good at it, as much as they might not like to admit it
Seasonic x Noctua has to be one of the best reliability partnership ideas in the industry
lifetime warranty lol
I didn't know Seasonic were known for reliability, unfortunately my PSU from them died within a year.
@@casey7128 they have a 10+ year warranty, could have just gotten it replaced directly by them.
@@casey7128everyone has some bad units but overall, they have some of the most reliable stuff out there.
@@casey7128 They often come with 12 year warranties, so on average their failure rate must be rather low, or else they'd be bankrupt by now.
R.I.P Linus, killed by his own screwdriver.
I know why his screwdriver decided to screw him, ill tell you, after our segway to our sponsor, rizz wallet
@@snickerboi3723 lol good one.
😂😂
Wow thanks Linus for the heart......could it be.....did he survive?
He screwed himself.
At this point i expect Noctua to partner up with a case maker to make a noctua colored pc case and let LS build a full noctua pc.
Right Fractal could do that, and then the final piece would be a brown Motherboard
Honestly, I really do feel like they should work on a case, that would be the ultimate in performance. It would I need to have a mesh front though. Also it would probably have fan mounts on the side instead of a glass panel.
I would buy the case...I love the dual brown theme of their fans
A Define 7 xl noctua version with specific fans for different case configs would be sick indeed
@@walkinmn NZXT gotta get on that
I'd actually love to see a friendly interview or just conversation with Noctua. They don't just know their stuff they understand it and more than their competition.
Gamers Nexus
Steve @ Gamers Nexus has some good interviews with them
And thus the reason noctua is slow in releasing new products, aka still delivering quality on the market.
Any AIO of roughly similar price annihilates Noctua's flagship offering
Ao no they don't understand their competition
Lian li fans at this point easily give comparable performance while being much easier to install and look 1000x better than Noctua
So Noctua REALLY doesn't understand their competition
@@goochipoochie Chinese bot? 🤔
Let's take a moment and admire the video and audio quality LMG provide from the show. It is just amazing.
10:11 - "I think the community backlash is kind of undeserved"
How on Earth did you manage to miss the pun-opportunity Linus? "I think the community backlash is OVERBLOWN!"
You're right. I blew it. - LS
@@LinusTechTips Just blame it on the writers
@@LinusTechTips Don't worry, it'll blow over.
@@LinusTechTips booooo.... !
@@LinusTechTips Unlike Seasonic power supplies, which don't blow up.
The "AIO" is so Noctua... A pump?! THAT MAKES NOISE! Lets use nature!
Can't wait to order the Noctua AIO in 2030!
They won’t make one
That's... optimistic!
And the AIOEU in 2050
@@WTFBOOMDOOM and the EIEIO?
That would require a pretty big design philosophy shift.
FAN IS GOOD + POWER SUPPLY GOOD = GOODER POWER SUPPLY
THE GOODSIEST
CEO math
In the words of my programming professor, "Is much more betterer!"
@@zivzulanderthe more you buy the more you save. The more you buy the more you save. Steve and Wendell, at Computex.
1$ fan + 2$ psu = 10$
I'll be getting that desk fan. I can magnetically attach it to the bottom of my Secret Lab desk and keep my junk cool.
LTT Berry Fan needs to be a product
or you can 3d print one for literally 0.1% of the cost
I've been eyeballing the Secretlab desk for a while now. Is it super big? I need something that will allow me to have three monitors, my AV receiver, a right and left channel speaker, and a huge center channel speaker. My desktop being on the desk is optional, but that would be cool too.
Ultra-quiet gooch cooler is a MUST
@@lottie-bu2jnand buy a motor
Noctua need to start making laptop fans bro, and laptop makers need to standardise their fans so its easier for both parties
Framework Laptop noctua fans?
That would be the dream
desk fun is something like a merch rather than normal product
TBH I love Noctua for the simple fact that they engineer the snot out of everything, so that you know that even though the prices are high, you’re getting truly their best effort to make the best product imaginable. And while some of those gains might be approaching the diminishing returns category, you pretty much know that before you buy it. And also their shizz lasts forever, so price over time is honestly cheaper than a cheap cooler.
Can confirm. Almost 16 years of nearly continuous service on my NH-U12 - the only remaining mechanical part from that build. I feel like I should buy a Noctua hoodie or something to show appreciation for such quality engineering.
Well dont forget that quality performance parts tend to also last longer, plus aren't they also known for being quieter than at least stock cooling on most stuff frm old computers and consoles to stuff like this, a power supply XD
@@random_n Same here, I bought a case to fit my 8 year old NH-D14 after Noctua was willing to send new mounting hardware for free.
@@random_n I have bought 4 of their hoodies, each color twice, I lost one, grew out the of the other. Best hoodies I own, hands down. 10/10. I can't shill enough for their hoodies, they could legit transition to making clothes, the hood comfort is unreal. My gf won't stop stealing them tho so I don't actually get to wear them that often. : (
Anyway, 10/10 hoodies, the grey one runs a little small though, that's the only weird thing, brown is true to size, but grey is on the smaller end of normal. I would definitely recommend getting one. You will not regret it
@@SrKinko I'm considering an upgrade in the near future and didn't know this was a thing. Thank you!
Linus really made a great point. I remember getting into watercooling in 2005ish and buying all the parts then wondering why my thermals were complete ass. Well, new paste, checking platform, checking pressure and i never got it right until I swapped to an older modded block. Such a PITA
People don't even understand how much detail Noctua is putting in their development. It's so detailed they won't "just" color them black and white because adding colors alters the plastics too much. Same with LEDs changing the frame structure. They are the ones working on the 0.05% performance increases
i went with a back then overkill noctua cpu cooler and im still using it to this day years later with no issues at all. Gotta love a future proof well build product, 100% worth the extra money i payed for it back then
I bought the shittiest and cheapest air cooler I could find on amazon and I'm still using it today 8 years later with no issues at all. That's gotta be at least 200% worth the money spent then
Have you seen air coolers getting broken after years of use? I haven't. Cheap ones are great too.
Paid*
Eh i'm on a Scythe that i got well over a decade ago and i'm still using that, still running smoothly. They too upgraded me to a new socket, charged me uhh basically less than shipping cost for the upgrade in total including shipping.
@@G91YS Yeah i've actually got a Deepcool Gammax 300 that isn't doing so well and this started right after warranty ran out. The fan isn't spinning smoothly any longer. There is no oil hole in the fan motor, and the fan is proprietary can't truly replace it with something else, it's got a nonstandard mount pattern. The heatsink also relies on a 120mm fan with an integrated funnel to channel it into a smaller 100mm-ish heatsink.
I bought a Lian Li SFX 850W PSU and the stock fan was so loud at times, that i thought my PC was overheating or something like that. It took me a while to realize that it was the PSU, but after i figured that out, i ofcourse searched online for the same issue and found a guy who did just that on reddit. Ordered the fan (wrong one the first time, it had to be 14mm thick.) and installed it by cutting the stock fan in the middle of its wire and cut the noctua's molex adapter wire from the middle and put them together by using e-tape and zipties. I was so worried that it wouldn't turn on at all and overheat my PSU, and i had no way to know during boot, since the PSU only spun up when over 60c. But it worked!
This! My build is a smorgasbord of hacks and hardware alterations. It may not look like a $2k PC but.... It's mine!
Love Noctua. Please dont stop being amazing.
Noctua definitely probably has one of those uber expensive solid works flow simulation licenses
"definitely probably" absolutely likely
how expensive we talking
@@boy638 It cost... "contact us"
Likely a despoke program that is even better honestly.
No shot, that CFD solver is pretty barebones, if they're designing at this level I mean they just have to be using something like StarCCM or Ansys Workbench
I am glad I bought a NH-D15 in the past, its been with me for many years now and faithfully keeps working.
I replaced my built-in power supply fan with a noctua one, didn't die, didn't burn, winning
"you cannot steal a thought, only copy it without permission" -Totally me back in 1737BC 😊
New build planed with this monster of an power supply and the new NH-D15 Gen 2, and of course a airflow optimized case full of the NF-A14 Gen 2
As a mechanical engineer who happens to design custom coolers for our products, I loved this video.
Also, a fans ability to overcome 'back pressure' is its static air pressure rating and makes a mountain of difference of the performance of the fan in confided spaces.
SFF PCs MUST have fans with high static air pressure values.
My gaming SFF is the size of a lunchbox and fits in a backback. It holds a 12th gen i5 paired to a RTX 3080 with no thermal throttle :)
I'm always happy to pay a good bit more for noctua products because of their dedication to backwards compatibility and just plain making great products. At this point I have undoubtedly saved money by not having to buy 3 other heatsinks over the past 15 years.
There’s always the risk that a hose will kink, but when it comes to thermo syphons, that’s just the kind of steamy kink my pipes are hot for.
Ooooooh!
I did this a few years ago, and still run it. It's one of their small SFX-L PSUs and I've fitted a slim 120mm noctua fan inside it. It works incredibly
Best segue ever. 10/10 did not see it coming and made me smile afterwards
I think the only way that it makes sense for noctua to continue to optimize for dye area, is to have early samples of where the hotspots are, and not reviewer early sample, cause they would need more time than reviewer samples.
But if they did get early samples, they could just start selling the heatsinks as an interchangeable unit from the rest of the cooler, making it kind of similar to a subscription model for enthusiasts. Alongside a specific built heatsink for a specific CPU, they could also sell a general use heatsink, that instead of being optimized for a CPU, its generally good across a spectrum of CPUs.
Also the desk fans are great, especially if you have old fans laying around, great way to reuse a product (Remember the 3 Rs)
Yep. Reduce and Reuse often get forgotten, and many places, Recycle is often a lie or way to complicated for things with composite construction or food residue.
W take on the desk fan and coldplate, thanks Linus. Haven't heard those arguments before, definitely changed my view
Yooo that's awesome! So fun fact; thermosyphons and pumpless refrigeration is very prevalent in industrial applications in ammonia! The orientation will be super important, but essentially the refrigerant heats up on the CPU and turns into a gas, the gas feeds into the fan coils at the top of the radiator on the GPU (from what I see), condenses into a liquid filling the thermosyphon and then overflowing into the reservoir on top of the cpu! It makes sense! It would only take a very minimal amount of charge, and you could theoretically refill a depleted system (once leaks are corrected) with refrigerant you use on your car! I almost want to make one myself!
2 of my favorite brands combined in a product, well I know what I'm gonna get for my next build
I really love Noctua's approach here. Next time I need a fan, I know where to go.
Nice touch with the Noctua Brown outro screen
Fun fact: any time someone explains phase changes and the latent heat of vaporization, Technology Connections grows just a little bit more powerful. In his final form, he will be able to rewrite reality, transforming all A/C units into reversible heat pumps. Also, he'll probably fix that thing with the combined brake/turn signal lights in American cars. And our toasters are gonna get way cooler. It's gonna be awesome.
I did the power supply 4 years ago. I also remove the fan grill for sound. Works great, extremely silent.
Oke now I'm wanting to see them make laptop fans
Everyone is complaining about the cost of the desk fan but I can see its use in lots of places away from the desk. The first thing I keep thinking of is those little fans they have for the driver on coach busses, trucks, farm equipment, etc., where it makes sense to have a durable, robust fan that focuses it's airflow to one location, and where a big company would be able to afford to install the fans in their fleet a lot more readily.
That's why they actually named it a "multi purpose" fan kit, nowhere is it marketed purely as a desk fan!
Part of the complaining is more at the power supply included with the product being valued at 30 dollars, when it probably costs them maybe 2 dollars in bulk orders.
Nocuta's long term support reminds me of Asetek's customer support in the AlthonXP days. I bought one of their blocks second hand at a carboot sale but the acrylic was full of hairline cracks, sent them an email and they shipped a replacement with fittings, a spread of fine sandpaper from 400-2000grit, (it was around the era of the "lapping" craze) along with some thermal pads and several sheets of branded stickers for free!
If they hadn't gone all in on patent restricting AOIs and holding the industry back by decades, they would have won a customer for life with that interaction!
7:07 I’m glad to see that someone is making use of the Martin’s Liquid Lab mirror I’ve kept up on the old Petra’sTech server for all these years!
Ltt is the only channel where people are exited for ad reads
Some channels make skits etc which are basically just good content that happens to be an ad!
people no just you yes
hi ltt i love Noctua . Nouctua gang !!!!!
nice bro
mee too
noctua gang !!!
noctua boi!!!!
lovers of noctua
lovers of noctua
Love Seasonic power supplies. Currently using their Platinum 850w unit and couldn't be happier.
Thank you for your explanations, good night from Belgium
Making 3 versions of a CPU cooler to get slightly better contact is such a Noctua move
gotta minmax the cooling
It's not. Like Linus said, it's the opposite. Noctua doesn't have a lot of variants or huge product lines. Putting so much effort into current CPUs when the contact plates will change over time is new for them.
@@BigBoyJay_69 if you want future proofness then buy the standard shape base. and the people who want the extra 1-2 degrees can but the other versions
@@BigBoyJay_69I hope reviewers test it with some older CPUs (hopefully ones that haven't lived in a test bench) to see what the performance is like on products it isn't tailored to. I can't see hotter die areas going away any time soon, so it may still end up better long term as long as they provide good mounting options to target hotter die areas.
I love how he hated on noctua for the first two minutes and absolutely loved them for 11 minutes
The power of money for ya
This video is worth unsubbing for. "Misalignment" - if Linus paid attention he would see that misalignment on the plate can be beneficial. Dude just blabbers with no end
@@blazebluebassTalk about missing the point...
@@blazebluebassWhat?
@@blazebluebassthat's literally the opposite of what he said, are you even literate?
I tried to 3d print a segue, but now I have a tractor-trailer load of creality rubber ducks. what the hell, Linus?! lol
The new D15 took almost as long to design as the LTT screwdriver
I think I know Noctua secret;
It's "Make good product"
And timelines be damned
And their support is also really really good. You could own a 10 year old cpu cooler and they will send you the mounting kit for free if you upgrade you system.
Literally right as I am about to finish my new build they go and drop this. If i ever find need of a second PC i can finally do my all beige and brown build.
I'm waiting for more on the Prime TX600 and second-gen NH-D15. Also curious about the thermosiphon prototype. Whether we like it or not, innovation and variety push the industry forward.
In another life we’d see a cute video of a nice little interaction between Linus and Steve from Gamer’s Nexus 🥹🥲 rest in peace friendship 🙏🏽
lol, was waiting for this
we need a AMD-Noctua collab to make the cooler already part of the CPU, you just need to awkwardly look from the side when putting it in the slot, but the thermal contact is unrivalled
there is something so admirable about Noctua and the insane strive for air blowing related perfection. can't wait for the new PSU may do an all Noctua build in the fractal North.
Next we need a noctua framework laptop
This makes me want to build a Noctua themed pc.
bro this is so perfect i just wached a short from ztt for the psu an now i see a video to it
I absolutely want that desk fan! That product was made for me!
My favorite part about these trade shows is how the different channels present all of the same information differently. This was easier to digest than GamerNexus’ video.
No hate to GN but LTT is just more enjoyable to watch
@@schwuzi GN is a huge stat nerd so if you want the numbers hes your guy. LTT is more for entertainment and magazine like reviewing.
forget the stats, show me reality
I'd say that L1 is more for IT engineers, but I generally agree with your statement. @@niikon
@@schwuziIt is but for reviewsof hardware i will trust him or Hardware unboxed or some other channels, ltt is just something I watch for entertainment.
It's amazing how much attention to shape Noctua pays. One of the coolest aspects of modern computer hardware is optimization through raw geometry.
Hope these come out soon for when I upgrade my 9 year old pc. Still runs and while not as super used as it could be, it also would be nice to be able to feel a difference in performance for another ten years or so. Plus better cooling and lesser sound is even better. Course just need a chunky case to not worry about cooling for the days of summer where you sweat the second you go outside.
I love the relationship Linus has with good partners like Noctua and Seasonic! Makes the community fun!
at 8:56 i was fully expecting a sponsor
I actually would like it if Noctua would come out with 38mm depth fans across their product stack. I like buying old server gear for my home lab but the fans on those are designed for datacenter use where noise doesn't matter and where the server is expected to be both at 100% utilization the whole time and where it is packed next to a bunch of other servers also pumping out heat. I throw in noctua fans right now to bring the noise levels under control but I do worry if the chassis have enough static pressure to actually cool the system and I don't even bother with coolers and GPUs that are fanless because they expect to be cooled by the case fans pushing air across them.
I've now seen 3 videos of the same booth before LTT put theirs out but it's easily the most watchable because it not only has a great amount of information but it also has that entertainment layer.
thanks! I was trying to design my own fan shroud, didn't know they made the blueprint avail. They've got all my business now...
This is some awesome stuff. I'm 100% gonna use Noctua *everything* in my pc build this year.
your wallet: 😱😰😭
Embrace the brown and beige.
finally I dont need to hurt myself putting a noctua fan in my power supply for my all noctua setup
As someone who has lapped their own zalman flower heat sinks back in the day before switching to noctua, has replaced the fan in a PSU with noctua fan and has one of those sabertooth tuf brown and green motherboards, I can get behind all of these products with no problems. I’m even sold on the desk fan, if I got one of them I’d use it and it’s modular components for the rest of my life.
1) Make goofy fan grill
2) Fix goofy fan grill
3) Call it multi-year R&D
So even better all Noctua build. If only they had Noctua motherboards
Beige and brown motherboard? 🙎♀️
@@maksimfedoryak you could find that color scheme on motherboards back in the day. I'd like to see a "Pro" or "Expert" type mobo come back with that kind of colorway.
petition for linus to grow his beard back
A great solution would be buying a contact frame, such as one like thermalright, in combination with standard coolers. even if you require a generational upgrade lets say in 8 years or longer, all you have to do is buy another solid frame which costs way less, but can achieve optimal thermal performance if you care for that extra headroom with minimal deviance from a dedicated cooler.
I've had my Noctua NH-D15 for 11 years across 3 builds and it's still a beast. I love Noctua
Linus: "They stole my idea"
Also Linus: "I got rejected because they were already working on it"
Bangin intro 🤣
I love Noctua and the fair pricing they are selling them for. I am a fan.
That fother mucking segway had me rolling.
"what took them so long" should have been followed with "my sponsor" 🤣
A new all noctua pc it is then.
Always refreshing to hear of a company doing great consumer friendly work with great products to match.
all we need now is the NOCTUA EDITION PC 2ND GEN (using the noctua 4080 , the noctua case u made, the LTT NOCTUA SCREWDRIVER, that juicy psu, and ALL NOCTUA FANS!)
RIP Beardless Linus, he will be missed.
Lol that intro 😂
Damn Noctua’s dedication to detail and quality is top quality in the industry
I just got done putting NF-A12x25s in my PSUs a couple of months back.
(After wearing gloves and draining the main capacitor.)
Some Silverstone PSUs don't have enough minimum voltage to turn a NF-A12x25.
The Silverstone ET500 can turn a NF-P12 redux-1300 with no load.
Noctua: *Backstabbed Linus and stole his idea*
Linus: *'Tis but a scratch.*
Also, he got his "Vision" from Chief Vision Officer stolen by Noctua.
I have nothing to say
The noctua NV-FS1 and NV-FS2 (the desk fan and the passive cooled device fan thing) are actually one of the products that made me super excited
My desk area is in a cubby under the bunk bed my dad made when I was a kid.
the wall plug powered fan controller (from a trusted brand) will allow me to add airflow to my desk space so it doesn't get as hot.
I printed one of those fan shrouds and attached it to a San Ace 120x38mm fan that at max speed is 6400rpm and its insane. Insanely loud, and an insane amount of air even 20ft away.
They wanted to do this all along, just without Linus
Second
I can't wait for that video you mentioned at the end
Loved that clip at the start
Sounds like a skill issue
Stealing makes Jesus cry :(
Don't worry UK dried Jesus eyes already