For those of you that don't have a conveniently-located IKEA store, you can buy the LADDA batteries on Amazon (affiliate links): AA: amzn.to/2k1CLcl AAA: amzn.to/2yrAGIH CHARGER: amzn.to/2wRLvHT
I did get to a few IKEAs, I even have a IKEA book in my house. But I do not know if I can find STORHÖGEN in our country. We can't pay for amazon because our country banned credit card number payment on the internet (it sucks).
I am just not sure. We are going to IKEA in 18 November, 2017 to see. We are going to pay around 9 USD for LADDA AA 2450mAh. 6.43 USD for LADDA AAA 900mAh. I get three of these. 30.86 USD for STORHÖGEN. (WE DO NOT HAVE IT IN OUR COUNTRY!) The total is 59.16 USD. Bit higher? Bit lower? I do not know. EDIT: (There is another chargers named as "VİNNİNGE". It is a poor man's "STORHÖGEN", but I do not like it.)
Even if you didn't buy meatballs you'd still have to pay to eat something else, and those meatballs are pretty cheap as well, so you didn't lose any money there.
I do A LOT of flash photography. I've blown through energizer, duracell and eneloop's... Out of all of them, the eneloops just DO NOT die! I've switched all other types but these ones are ridiculously amazing!
@@jimmybrad156 The whites I've had for the longest time so far. But the pro's feel like the recharge faster. I forgot the mAh ratings for them though. Can't go wrong with the eneloops
Thanks for your time spent discovering the facts, large companies have been ripping people off for years, these videos will help people save money 💰 Cheers from Australia
Great video. I will say looking at the battery curves, they are pretty similar, but are extremely different. We really need to know the internal resistance and how they perform under a substantial load. Battery sag has a huge influence on performance in my experience, but not really that big of a deal with double & triple A's. Really comes more into play with 18650s or 21700s etc. Still a great video, and your main point is very valid, 4 batteries for 5$ or 5$ each for four batteries.
yeah they are different enough that I would say they are not the same battery relabeled. and this is when the batteries are fresh, I thing the difference will be more obvious as the batteries degrade.
Would be interesting to see how they compare over long time. Discharge rate and capacity after alot of load cycles. Even ikea furniture looks good and is stable, until you move and need to reassamble them.
Thank you, sir! I appreciate the support! I do these higher-production videos as often as I can and post them on Mondays when available. In the meantime, I do host a live talkback show that I hope you'll enjoy every Thursday at 5 Pacific!
Absolutely love everything about this video man, the content spot on, easy to follow but just techy enough, the moving shots, the shady dude on the road. You gor a lot done in 5 minutes here man, fantastic work!
While "Made in Japan" is also a good rule to go by...I've opened up 2 NiMH batteries supposedly "Made in Japan" that were very different inside than Eneloops. Not sure if they were intentionally misleading with their labels or what. All the "Eneloop" or equivalents have had a honeycomb pattern that grows larger as it gets near the center of the rolled up contents. Anyways, I'm no expert...just a curious guy that can't resist opening things up to see what's inside. Thanks for the video, I know they are not quick to make.
Indeed, bud! I know the ultimate test would be to actually crack them open and compare the internals, but I was trying to keep this to the casual enginerding fan by using tools available to infer details nondestructively. Maybe one of these days, I'll take them down to the shop and properly compare the two brands! I appreciate your support, too! Thanks for your comments!
voltare2amstereo Not if discharged properly first, which you SHOULD ALWAYS DO before breaking open any battery. I've opened up countless batteries after discharging them and never had any fires.
My only problem with the LADDA batteries is that the wrapping seems to be significantly thicker and can make removing them from some devices more difficult (Xbox 360 controller battery packs, for example).
I've been testing the Lada 2450, they actually outperform my eneloops BK-3MCCA. I'm not talking about the ah either, I'm talking about discharge at 200mah. Even when it reaches 1ah discharge the voltage is still at 1.27 when eneloop are at 1.21
you can't compare a 1900/2000mah capacity battery to a 2450 one.. OBVIOUSLY it will die sooner aka drop voltage sooner because it literally has LESS inside. you have to compare apples to apples. aka the Pro. The BK3MCCA is a white eneloop made to be able to sit on the shelf for a long long time and hold the most of what it has, something neither the LADDA 2450 or the PRO eneloop can do. they are "use it soon. but have a lot of juice" type of batteries. that is why they sell both kinds. 2 different uses. I have 24 Eneloop pros which are my "mains" that run through my operational 1.8k lumen tac lights when im overseas and then 24 more backup white eneloops that just sit around JUST IN CASE I ever get caught out for prolonged periods and go through all my Pros. It gives me a 24 count buffer zone. Then if they go, I switch to my modern 21700s as the final resort. lithium is king and can sit forever at 50%. NiMH must be maintained and loved/used to stay fresh.
As per your tests (thanks by the way) Eneloop Pro are about 25% better as they retained >1.2V for an hour more in the 4:30 hour test. This is very useful for high power drain devices.
There is one other thing that really really matters here. What current were the cells discharged at? Lots of cells can perform to rated capacity being discharge at low power ( a few hundred miliamps) but truly "high drain" devices require the cell to carry a load of 3000 ma or higher. I'm not saying these are not rebrand eneloops because I've found other cells that do perform that way, but some high amp curves would go a long way toward that proof. Thanks for doing this!!!!
I'm a sound recordist doing a lot of field work for my UA-cam channel, so I go through a lot of batteries. You've definitely saved me a great deal of money; thank you for making this!
The data presented at 6:20 actually indicate that these are different cells. The curves look very similar, but most LSD NiMH curves will look very similar. Overlay the two graphs, and note how in the middle portion of the discharge curve the Eneloop cells stay about .1-.2V higher than the LADDA cells. That's a hint that the Eneloop cells have a lower internal resistance than the LADDA cells do, and are likely a slightly different chemistry.
different as in binning, most probably. There's no reason to have 2 manufacturing processes for a battery that is the same in every aspect other than "quality" (as in, voltage curve, internal resistance, capacitance and all that). And really, if you're gonna use a step-up converter, you're current-bound, not voltage-bound.
Those brown lower-capacity IKEA batteries were actually Japan-made as well. (And the non-pro Panasonic-branded Eneloops are also made in Japan.) And now in 2022, Idea batteries around $8 per 4-pack, while (normal) Eneloops are around $10 per 4-pack. I went ahead and got Eneloops this time rather than Ikea. I imagine the slightly lower capacity 2100-mAh Eneloops will survive more cycles than the 2450 mAh IKEA.
Thanks for testing and sharing. A longer test to see if LADDA's can consistanly reproduce similar results to Eneloops over time as well as how long they will hold charge, would add even further credibility to your hypothesis
Mmm, nice video ! But, the main sell of eneloops is not at all the capacity, but rather the stupid-low self discharge-rate, .. any word on how they perform on that front ?
@AirborneSurfer, Please don't do hasty calculations on this matter because Darieee has hit the issue on the nail. The main selling point of Eneloop is their slow discharge rate, and that's the reason I bought them in the first place. There are plenty of cheap Ni-Mh batteries and the only thing I want to know about the IKEA ones is if they have a slow discharge rate.
The IKEA ones are also low self discharge, oddly IKEA don't advertise them as such. But I brought some a year ago, along with Amazon and Eneloop branded ones. They all share the same characteristics. I also got some GP Recyko+ ones, they are also low self discharge, but not made in Japan, still very good batteries but low self discharge is slightly worse than the Japanese made cells.
Impressive video, but joke's on you, i don't have IKEA in my country, and all rechargeable battery packs plus charger cost around the same 20-30$ while Eneloops are surprisingly cheaper out of the bunch in Amazon these days.
Wait what!? IKEA has cool looking well performing battery charger? I was waiting for one from Panasonic for months now. Going to IKEA to get some, thanks for sharing. Will also check your battery discharging device, that would be handy. Thanks for that as well.
Need to see # of charge cycles and shelf life comparison too. Its also pretty common for amnufaturers to make differnt lines of slightly differnt specs within the same factory. Well done on the video, but I need to see more before Im willing to use IKEA batteries for company/pro professional use
@@atariandre5014 the ikeas are good value, but you get what you pay for still. Their charger is better value in my view. Does a great job, doesn't overcharge or trickle.
@@jimmybrad156 Yes they are. There have been various tests and the performance of the Eneloops and Ikea's are identical. Not "about the same" but identical.
Thanks for the review. Even after the information I went with the eneloop because the overall price discrepancy for my needs was only $6 for a charger and batteries. I didn't do the pro, just the standard enerloop and the 2100 charge cycles, and 10 year performance vs the lower cycle, 3 year indicated on the others will hopefully justify the cost difference in the long run.
I've been buying IKEA Ladda batteries for some time now, for my cameras, I'd agree, they are probably Eneloop in disguise, but cost less, here in the UK a pack of four 2450s from IKEA cost just £7, with the correct charger for just £5. If Brand isn't important to you, buy Ladda.
That's the point! Also hardware won't work as needed/excepted (speedlamp charge time between shots, RC range, LCD brightness for outdoor work etc) below some voltage and for user it means "battery is dead". If that would be 1.2 V then we can see on the chart it's far from "nearly identical". And there's a lot of other things like quality of battery (environmental, safety), the differences between batches/individual batteries etc. For some uses it will be fine, for some it won't be. For me it was cheaper to buy Eneloop, when I used AA in my work, than to play lottery. I need to except, not count on.
corrections: I know this video is from 6 years ago BUT there's no excuse for the bad analysis: I just bought regular eneloop AAA - on amazon - made in japan - 12 pack - for $30 (not eneloop pro). and panasonic batteries ARE known for making impressive batteries as the main partner making the tesla cells, which usually maintain about 80% of their life after driving 200,000 miles. also, the idea that these rechargeable batteries are expensive is absurd. do the f-ing math. if a regular high end AAA is about $1 each and a quality rechargeable is 2.5 to even 5 times as expensive - do the math here - can last for even 10 charge cycles you have saved money = less expensive than disposables. BUT. BUT - these eneloops are supposed to last over 2,100 charge cycles bringing the cost down to fractions of a penny per charge cycle. how in the hell can you say they are "insanely expensive???" yes, initially they cost a little more, but even after 5 cycles they are 100% paid for. they could costs $100 per battery and you would still save money.
Thank you so much for being scientific about this! I've had the exact same suspicion (and supply chain research led me to a similar conclusion), but I prefer trusting quantitative reality as opposed to my amateur private detective skills (they've burned me before...) whenever possibly.
Hi, been using Ladda and Eneloop pro for over 2 years now. They are built in the same factory in Japan, they are the same. In fact, 1 of my 4 Panasonic died out of nowhere, while my 4 Ladda are still going.
Thank you for this video. Oddly enough you've convinced me to stick with Eneloop, actually. You see, despite the very similar looking discharge curve, there's a significant difference in how long they can stay above the 1.2 volts mark. There's also the difference in recharge cycles they're specified for - the 'normal' eneloop with 1900mAh (plenty enough) is only a bit more expensive per battery than the LADDA where I live, but gets 2100 cycles, which is far more than any competitor product can manage. I've also had some good experiences concerning the eneloop's ability to keep going at low temperatures for much longer than other rechargables I've used.
+Steamrick Hey, if you like Eneloop, stick with it! I'm just here to help consumers make informed decisions. LADDA runs just fine for every application I've used it in (including portable lights and flashes)! Maybe I'll investigate this 1.2V discrepancy a little more in a later video. Thanks for watching!
And I do feel much more informed now :) If I was working with the same price discrepancy as you are, I'm sure I'd have come to the same conclusion as well. The Eneloop Pro certainly aren't worth paying more than double for quite similar results. Hereabouts, the LADDA are 6.49€ / 4pc (plus gas or shipping), while the newest model Eneloop go for 8.00€ / 4pc (shipping included) and the Eneloop Pro for 14€ / pc (w/ shipping). Thing is, I don't really care too much about the Pro. I'd much rather have the sheer longevity and price/performance of the lower-tier 'regular' eneloop. I don't need that small extra bit of power - if I'm uncertain they'll last for the full duration I need, I can just take a second set with me. I've had quite a few of the 2nd gen eneloop (that came out 2010) in use for years, and I've not had a single one go bad on me so far. That's actually a lot better than non-rechargable batteries bought the same time period have managed... and Eneloop has gone ahead and come to the 4th generation by now, promising ever higher durability.
Indeed! Just for clarification, the LADDA is more of an analogue to Eneloop Pro and not the "regular" Eneloop battery :) As I found through my research, they're definitely not apples to apples! And yeah, if the difference in price is negligible to you, go for it! Definitely appreciate the feedback! If you're into this sort of stuff, be sure to check out the rest of the channel!
I personaly prefer the pro: I tested them against the "normal" eneloops in my yongnuo flashes: the Pros recharged the flash much faster. At high frequency series the flashed with the normal eneloops sometimes didnt fire, resulting in partly darker images. =)
peterpahn123 that’s because the Pros are designed specifically for that purpose. My understanding is for low drain usage the “vanilla” Eneloops are much better when it comes to cost:longevity ratio.
I read somewhere a test for the yellow IKEA batteries where they were comparable to high-end cells from top brands. On price/capacity value they were undefeated. That's what I call attention to details and happy customers, returning for more.
Thank you for making this video. I almost like to think of it as if you have saved us naive consumers from the strategies refined over generations by corporations due to the institutional knowledge that outlasts our individual lifespans.
ive been using a set of eneloops for years now, anything between 5-8 years and they still go strong. 8 of them cost 20 something euros to me, consider 1 duracell AA is 1 euro, initial cost might be higher, but they pretty soon pay themselfs back, depending on your use case.
This is quite interesting but frankly I have no interest in assembling my own batteries to save a few bucks. The included tool never really works and there's ALWAYS parts left over.
I'm still that snob that would get the Eneloop Pro. I use them in my smart lock for my doors, in remotes, smart scale, everything else. They are amazing.
There is a logical(-ish) explanation for almost all this. Basically they're all fabbed in the same factory. Same specs. Fine. We can assume this because the profiles of both are far too similar for coincidence. Why are some EnPros and some Ikea? This always happens with battery manufacture. All these batteries are factory tested (charge/discharge/charge) and then rated on quality. Maybe it's the temp they run at when discharged at a certain rate, maybe it's the temp that they run at when charged at a certain rate, maybe it's voltage at a certain time in the discharge cycle and then they're scored. Lets say it's an A/B/C/Reject setup so A's become EnPros, the B's are sold as white label and the C's go to places where they want crappy batteries for cheap, lets call that place Africa for the sake of argument. The rejects then get recycled. Now if Ikea come along and offer up a contract to buy x million of your B's at a certain value and guaranteed volume you're going to do that deal. The real question is is the extra $10 worth paying when the cheaper battery is what the manufacturer considers technically defective but in the real world they're essentially the same battery.
that's similar to what happens with vape batteries there will be a ton of different "brands" but they essentially all come from the same 3 sources Sony Panasonic Tesla
Thanks for the heads up. We just got an Ikea in our area and I didn't even notice they had batteries. I have a few sets of eneloop and the pros. For the most part, they have done amazingly well. I am a event photographer and I pop the flash at least 3000 times a week. And that's on one set of eneloop non pro. They are worth every penny even at eneloop prices
Just stumbled on this video. I'll offer this Point of Fact, most retail establishments commission manufacturers to make their products. As a Sears Paint Associate 18 years ago, I found out that Sherwin Williams made our paint and our Easy Living and Weatherbeater brands had higher specs than Sherwin Williams paints. Sears Craftsman branded power drills were also made by Black & Decker. Craftsman screwdrivers are made by Western Forge. Whirlpool makes Kenmore appliances. Sherwin Williams also makes paints for many other retailers. IKEA is an overpriced furniture retailer that can justify taking a loss on batteries they pay someone to make for them. Retail is all about demographics, Sherwin Williams demographics are primarily commercial builders and professional painters. They don't typically care about quality. Sears Best Easy Living & Weatherbeater Paints were the #1 paint brands when Sears sold paint. Sears Best Paints had the best warranty. Retailers use vendors for their brands.
I'm sure you are absolutely correct in your conclusions, but perhaps something to consider. I have a friend in the retail business here in Japan (her company sells coats) Japanese law says that if the final part of production is performed in Japan the goods can be labeled "Made in Japan". Her company imports coats made almost entirely in China. They stitch on one button in the factory in Japan and they can stick a "Made in Japan" label on it.
I believe the powerex pro which are 2700mah Made in Japan cells are not enerlop however are the older Sanyo/Panasonic 2700mah superlattice alloy evo(discontinued)Ni-Mh that were Made in Japan. I have both Sanyo and Powerex and they’re identical on capacity, power curve and voltage dropoff. They average over 2700mah at 1.50v off the charger.
corrections: I know this video is from 6 years ago BUT there's no excuse for the bad analysis: I just bought regular eneloop AAA - on amazon - made in japan - 12 pack - for $30 (not eneloop pro). and panasonic batteries ARE known for making impressive batteries as the main partner making the tesla cells, which usually maintain about 80% of their life after driving 200,000 miles. also, the idea that these rechargeable batteries are expensive is absurd. do the f-ing math. if a regular high end AAA is about $1 each and a quality rechargeable is 2.5 to even 5 times as expensive - do the math here - can last for even 10 charge cycles you have saved money = less expensive than disposables. BUT. BUT - these eneloops are supposed to last over 2,100 charge cycles bringing the cost down to fractions of a penny per charge cycle. how in the hell can you say they are "insanely expensive???" yes, initially they cost a little more, but even after 5 cycles they are 100% paid for. they could costs $100 per battery and you would still save money.
Even 7 years ago, nuance didn't get you the big view counts. Remember, we live in a world where "environmentalists" who think Republicans want to destroy the earth actually think AA batteries are environmentally friendly (because designing consumer electronics with a super-standardized removable battery totally isn't going to reduce ewaste dramatically). Don't believe me? Look at how many people were really happy about the Xbox controllers dropping AA. So many people praised Microsoft for going greener, when all they've done is make more ewaste... Big brain move there.
Great video! I found you through Creator Fundamentals. I subbed, Smashed the Bell, and Liked this video which automatically shares it to my twitter and a few othre places. Your awesome!
Ive been using cheap chinese PKCell batteries for years now. Never had issues with them, and they hold a charge for years.. But it's nice to see there is now a locally available cheap LSD AA battery.
Its funny how much you can save if you know who made the stuff you buy. Same with a lot of food. So much stuff is made at the same place and has the same ingrediants as some brand stuff. You really pay for the Name alone.
Dude there are SO many more specifications that are really more important. As we see the chart there is a huge difference in Voltage drop. So the eneloop have a better voltage with higher current drains. That is one of the most important points (of course not for a clock or something like that). Second Eneloop reach very high cycle numbers and have a real long lifetime. Can you say that about the Ikea ones ? Dont get me wrong. The Ikea batteries will be fine for 99% of the user. But after all dont just say. Yeah looks identical, must be the same so better not buy the eneloops.
For those of you that don't have a conveniently-located IKEA store, you can buy the LADDA batteries on Amazon (affiliate links):
AA: amzn.to/2k1CLcl
AAA: amzn.to/2yrAGIH
CHARGER: amzn.to/2wRLvHT
I did get to a few IKEAs, I even have a IKEA book in my house. But I do not know if I can find STORHÖGEN in our country. We can't pay for amazon because our country banned credit card number payment on the internet (it sucks).
+random player That is unfortunate! STORHÖGEN should be available in any stores that sell LADDA. Perhaps they were out of stock at the time?
I am just not sure. We are going to IKEA in 18 November, 2017 to see.
We are going to pay around
9 USD for LADDA AA 2450mAh.
6.43 USD for LADDA AAA 900mAh. I get three of these.
30.86 USD for STORHÖGEN. (WE DO NOT HAVE IT IN OUR COUNTRY!)
The total is 59.16 USD. Bit higher? Bit lower? I do not know.
EDIT: (There is another chargers named as "VİNNİNGE". It is a poor man's "STORHÖGEN", but I do not like it.)
And I love how you edited it to make some weird, educational, comedy and funny skits you made. I love your work!
+random player VINNINGE is the older version, but you gotta take what you can get, I might say! Have fun!
The problem is, the $15 you save buying ikea batteries will be spent on meatballs. Still a win I suppose.
MOAR LINGONBERRY!!!!
Even if you didn't buy meatballs you'd still have to pay to eat something else, and those meatballs are pretty cheap as well, so you didn't lose any money there.
Hmm...do they still do they shitty square pizza slices? It's been years since I had one and I miss them
IKEA meatballs are overrated.
And a hard boiled egg sliver.
Does this information still hold true with the new Green colored IKEA LADDA or did they change the chemistry quality?
Jesus, the amount of research you did for this video is mind boggling. Awesome video!
New subscriber! A winner is you!
I understand it's 2022. But why does this guy have only 9k odd subscribers, this is sad, we need more.
IF someone dont already know that, LADDA means CHARGE
I just saw you in great scotts community tab. lol! Greetings from the fuuuuulllll bridge RECTIFIER!
technically it means to charge
Jævlar
Right, it's Swedish and it means exactly what you're saying.
Tackar då vet jag det ^^
I do A LOT of flash photography. I've blown through energizer, duracell and eneloop's... Out of all of them, the eneloops just DO NOT die! I've switched all other types but these ones are ridiculously amazing!
how would you compare the eneloop whites vs pros?
@@jimmybrad156 The whites I've had for the longest time so far. But the pro's feel like the recharge faster. I forgot the mAh ratings for them though. Can't go wrong with the eneloops
In Canada enloops are $30 on Amazon and white Ladda are $15 at IKEA , I went with the ladda
Thanks for your time spent discovering the facts, large companies have been ripping people off for years, these videos will help people save money 💰
Cheers from Australia
Bought a lot of Ladda batteries and they are now my favorite
Great video. I will say looking at the battery curves, they are pretty similar, but are extremely different. We really need to know the internal resistance and how they perform under a substantial load. Battery sag has a huge influence on performance in my experience, but not really that big of a deal with double & triple A's. Really comes more into play with 18650s or 21700s etc. Still a great video, and your main point is very valid, 4 batteries for 5$ or 5$ each for four batteries.
yeah they are different enough that I would say they are not the same battery relabeled. and this is when the batteries are fresh, I thing the difference will be more obvious as the batteries degrade.
Would be interesting to see how they compare over long time.
Discharge rate and capacity after alot of load cycles.
Even ikea furniture looks good and is stable, until you move and need to reassamble them.
Stay tuned. There's a lot of interest, so I may revisit this in the future....
@@AirborneSurferdid you?
@@AirborneSurfer any update?
Hey, now is the future. Any updates?
If this ever moves ahead I'd like to see a comparison of discharge curve sitting on the shelf (one of the main claims to fame for Eneloop)
WOW this video was SO well produced, informative and cleanly presented. The tone and sense of humor is right up my alley too, subbed for more!
Thank you, sir! I appreciate the support! I do these higher-production videos as often as I can and post them on Mondays when available. In the meantime, I do host a live talkback show that I hope you'll enjoy every Thursday at 5 Pacific!
Oooo I do enjoy liveshows, however my crappy home internet (20kbs) prevents much of that :|
+Arsenio Dev Bummer! At least you can always catch the replay, right?
Absolutely love everything about this video man, the content spot on, easy to follow but just techy enough, the moving shots, the shady dude on the road. You gor a lot done in 5 minutes here man, fantastic work!
Thanks, bud! It's all starting to come together!
Dude. Your videos are gold. Never stop. Instant sub
Breaking open both cells will reveal if they came off the same assembly line...for those skeptical folks out there.
+PowerScissor This is likely true.
While "Made in Japan" is also a good rule to go by...I've opened up 2 NiMH batteries supposedly "Made in Japan" that were very different inside than Eneloops. Not sure if they were intentionally misleading with their labels or what. All the "Eneloop" or equivalents have had a honeycomb pattern that grows larger as it gets near the center of the rolled up contents. Anyways, I'm no expert...just a curious guy that can't resist opening things up to see what's inside. Thanks for the video, I know they are not quick to make.
Indeed, bud! I know the ultimate test would be to actually crack them open and compare the internals, but I was trying to keep this to the casual enginerding fan by using tools available to infer details nondestructively. Maybe one of these days, I'll take them down to the shop and properly compare the two brands! I appreciate your support, too! Thanks for your comments!
voltare2amstereo Not if discharged properly first, which you SHOULD ALWAYS DO before breaking open any battery. I've opened up countless batteries after discharging them and never had any fires.
Weighing them on a good scale would be a good start as well. Battery weight varies a lot. The cheap batteries also weigh the least.
Dude this video deserves an award, simply genius from start to finish great work dude!!
My only problem with the LADDA batteries is that the wrapping seems to be significantly thicker and can make removing them from some devices more difficult (Xbox 360 controller battery packs, for example).
You can add or replace the original battery wrap with a battery wrap that is widely sold in online stores.
Great video dude! This deserves more views!
+Draggy B Dragon Hey, thanks, Draggy! Be sure and share it with everyone you know (and as many people that you don't know)!
I've been testing the Lada 2450, they actually outperform my eneloops BK-3MCCA.
I'm not talking about the ah either, I'm talking about discharge at 200mah. Even when it reaches 1ah discharge the voltage is still at 1.27 when eneloop are at 1.21
you can't compare a 1900/2000mah capacity battery to a 2450 one.. OBVIOUSLY it will die sooner aka drop voltage sooner because it literally has LESS inside. you have to compare apples to apples. aka the Pro. The BK3MCCA is a white eneloop made to be able to sit on the shelf for a long long time and hold the most of what it has, something neither the LADDA 2450 or the PRO eneloop can do. they are "use it soon. but have a lot of juice" type of batteries. that is why they sell both kinds. 2 different uses. I have 24 Eneloop pros which are my "mains" that run through my operational 1.8k lumen tac lights when im overseas and then 24 more backup white eneloops that just sit around JUST IN CASE I ever get caught out for prolonged periods and go through all my Pros. It gives me a 24 count buffer zone. Then if they go, I switch to my modern 21700s as the final resort. lithium is king and can sit forever at 50%. NiMH must be maintained and loved/used to stay fresh.
Is there a way To get a manual to build that tester?
Most product names at IKEA are Swedish words or places.
Ladda=Charge (verb)
Färgton=Hue (Färg=Color, Ton=Tone)
Greetings from Sweden :)
People in the Balkan: Why the fuck this battery is named after a shitty russian car?
@@U.S.A. The Russian car was/is actually Lada, not Ladda.
@@MikkoRantalainen I know but it sounds similar.
You are doing a great service for poor folk, we thank you. First time viewer.
As per your tests (thanks by the way) Eneloop Pro are about 25% better as they retained >1.2V for an hour more in the 4:30 hour test. This is very useful for high power drain devices.
This seems important for devices that shut off at that voltage cutoff.
@@prashank Exactly. Ladda is no competition for Eneloop Pro when it comes to flash photography.
The GIF with SAME on it (7:13) made sound..... Thx Brain!
I didn't even know that I needed to know this, but thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching.
Great video! You put a ton of research and work into this!
Thanks, bud! It was a question that was bugging me for quite a while, and I couldn't find a sufficient answer on the interwebs. SCIENCE FTW!
I suggest you to really test performance of the bateries by comparing data after 400 drain/charge cycles.
There is one other thing that really really matters here. What current were the cells discharged at? Lots of cells can perform to rated capacity being discharge at low power ( a few hundred miliamps) but truly "high drain" devices require the cell to carry a load of 3000 ma or higher. I'm not saying these are not rebrand eneloops because I've found other cells that do perform that way, but some high amp curves would go a long way toward that proof. Thanks for doing this!!!!
I'm a sound recordist doing a lot of field work for my UA-cam channel, so I go through a lot of batteries. You've definitely saved me a great deal of money; thank you for making this!
He starts actually answering the question at 5:20. Everything before that it the equivalnt of a story about the authors peepaw on a recipe page.
I clicked that like because you asked and did a thing that I appreciated. Thanks my friend.
Here in the UK, Eneloop Pro 4-pack is £12.89 ($16.39) on Amazon and LADDA 4-pack is £5.50 ($6.99).
A saving of £7.39 ($9.40)!
Well done information, I didn't even know I needed to know this!!! LOL . Love the retro arcade themed music by the way!
The data presented at 6:20 actually indicate that these are different cells. The curves look very similar, but most LSD NiMH curves will look very similar. Overlay the two graphs, and note how in the middle portion of the discharge curve the Eneloop cells stay about .1-.2V higher than the LADDA cells. That's a hint that the Eneloop cells have a lower internal resistance than the LADDA cells do, and are likely a slightly different chemistry.
different as in binning, most probably. There's no reason to have 2 manufacturing processes for a battery that is the same in every aspect other than "quality" (as in, voltage curve, internal resistance, capacitance and all that).
And really, if you're gonna use a step-up converter, you're current-bound, not voltage-bound.
$15.00 dollars less. What was your question again?
@@TheLawlbreaker $15.00 dollars less. What was your question again?
Awesome video! These kinds of experiments/breakdowns are really cool.
+jontheboss Thanks, bud! I'm finally settling into a groove, it seems!
Those brown lower-capacity IKEA batteries were actually Japan-made as well. (And the non-pro Panasonic-branded Eneloops are also made in Japan.)
And now in 2022, Idea batteries around $8 per 4-pack, while (normal) Eneloops are around $10 per 4-pack. I went ahead and got Eneloops this time rather than Ikea. I imagine the slightly lower capacity 2100-mAh Eneloops will survive more cycles than the 2450 mAh IKEA.
I actually bought these on a whim then found this video. Perfect timing! 👍🏾
Thanks for testing and sharing. A longer test to see if LADDA's can consistanly reproduce similar results to Eneloops over time as well as how long they will hold charge, would add even further credibility to your hypothesis
Thanks for the tip! I'll consider looking into it at some point!
@@AirborneSurfer Yes this is how you test batteries.
Hello!!, please, can you share the arduino analyzer?
THX a lot
Mmm, nice video ! But, the main sell of eneloops is not at all the capacity, but rather the stupid-low self discharge-rate, .. any word on how they perform on that front ?
So far, so good. According to my hasty calculations, you're looking about 80% (+/-5%) residual charge after 12 months. Thanks for watching!
@AirborneSurfer, Please don't do hasty calculations on this matter because Darieee has hit the issue on the nail. The main selling point of Eneloop is their slow discharge rate, and that's the reason I bought them in the first place. There are plenty of cheap Ni-Mh batteries and the only thing I want to know about the IKEA ones is if they have a slow discharge rate.
The IKEA ones are also low self discharge, oddly IKEA don't advertise them as such. But I brought some a year ago, along with Amazon and Eneloop branded ones. They all share the same characteristics. I also got some GP Recyko+ ones, they are also low self discharge, but not made in Japan, still very good batteries but low self discharge is slightly worse than the Japanese made cells.
Axonis, let us know what you find when you do the thorough “non-hasty” calculations.
Why dont you make your own channel and answer that question yourself?
Ungrateful sons of bitches.
Cool and informative video. Made very professionally :)
+negro Monte Thanks! Don't forget to subscribe for more fun stuff!
Impressive video, but joke's on you, i don't have IKEA in my country, and all rechargeable battery packs plus charger cost around the same 20-30$ while Eneloops are surprisingly cheaper out of the bunch in Amazon these days.
I just found your channel today. I love it!! Thank you!!!
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Wait what!? IKEA has cool looking well performing battery charger? I was waiting for one from Panasonic for months now. Going to IKEA to get some, thanks for sharing.
Will also check your battery discharging device, that would be handy. Thanks for that as well.
Nice video man,you've done your job sir!!!
Need to see # of charge cycles and shelf life comparison too. Its also pretty common for amnufaturers to make differnt lines of slightly differnt specs within the same factory. Well done on the video, but I need to see more before Im willing to use IKEA batteries for company/pro professional use
Dude…….they are the same.
just go with the eneloops.
@@atariandre5014 not really.
@@atariandre5014 the ikeas are good value, but you get what you pay for still. Their charger is better value in my view. Does a great job, doesn't overcharge or trickle.
@@jimmybrad156 Yes they are. There have been various tests and the performance of the Eneloops and Ikea's are identical. Not "about the same" but identical.
Outstanding research and presentation - well done & thank you for this!! JO
+BRACWatchChannel Thanks for watching!
Wow, I bought Eneloop Pro for my DSLR flash, were they specifically stated it must be Eneloop :D Great job!
“Must me Eneloop” is just a way to get them more money. Power is power, you give them the right amount in the right form and it’ll work.
MATT THANKS FOR SHARING INFO THAT ACTUAL HELPS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
YOU'RE WELCOME!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the review. Even after the information I went with the eneloop because the overall price discrepancy for my needs was only $6 for a charger and batteries. I didn't do the pro, just the standard enerloop and the 2100 charge cycles, and 10 year performance vs the lower cycle, 3 year indicated on the others will hopefully justify the cost difference in the long run.
Well produced video, thank you for the info.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, not from the US but will keep an eye out for 2450mAh Ni-Mh made in Japan.
Excellent channel, well put together Vid.
This makes me happy. Really happy.
I've been buying IKEA Ladda batteries for some time now, for my cameras, I'd agree, they are probably Eneloop in disguise, but cost less, here in the UK a pack of four 2450s from IKEA cost just £7, with the correct charger for just £5. If Brand isn't important to you, buy Ladda.
Really interesting! I learned a lot today.
Thanks, Andrew! Going to be taking another look at those IKEA batteries now?
Thank you didn't know this. Now i know of more stuff to pickup on my next Ikea run.
Ooooh! This is the reason to why IKEA suddenly ran out of LADDA batteries.
Great video!!
The real question is how do they perform over time. How is the degradation of the Panasonic versus the IKEA ones?
That's the point! Also hardware won't work as needed/excepted (speedlamp charge time between shots, RC range, LCD brightness for outdoor work etc) below some voltage and for user it means "battery is dead". If that would be 1.2 V then we can see on the chart it's far from "nearly identical". And there's a lot of other things like quality of battery (environmental, safety), the differences between batches/individual batteries etc. For some uses it will be fine, for some it won't be. For me it was cheaper to buy Eneloop, when I used AA in my work, than to play lottery. I need to except, not count on.
Please revisit this! Thank you!
corrections: I know this video is from 6 years ago BUT there's no excuse for the bad analysis: I just bought regular eneloop AAA - on amazon - made in japan - 12 pack - for $30 (not eneloop pro). and panasonic batteries ARE known for making impressive batteries as the main partner making the tesla cells, which usually maintain about 80% of their life after driving 200,000 miles. also, the idea that these rechargeable batteries are expensive is absurd. do the f-ing math. if a regular high end AAA is about $1 each and a quality rechargeable is 2.5 to even 5 times as expensive - do the math here - can last for even 10 charge cycles you have saved money = less expensive than disposables. BUT. BUT - these eneloops are supposed to last over 2,100 charge cycles bringing the cost down to fractions of a penny per charge cycle. how in the hell can you say they are "insanely expensive???" yes, initially they cost a little more, but even after 5 cycles they are 100% paid for. they could costs $100 per battery and you would still save money.
when the hell did charlie sheen start talking about batteries
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@@AirborneSurfer BI-WINNING
Very informative video, thanks
Thank you so much for being scientific about this! I've had the exact same suspicion (and supply chain research led me to a similar conclusion), but I prefer trusting quantitative reality as opposed to my amateur private detective skills (they've burned me before...) whenever possibly.
I do what I can FOR SCIENCE!
Thanks for the reveal
It's been 3.5 years since this (great) video was made. Can anyone supply any long-term data about the performance of the LADDA? THANKS!
Hi, been using Ladda and Eneloop pro for over 2 years now. They are built in the same factory in Japan, they are the same. In fact, 1 of my 4 Panasonic died out of nowhere, while my 4 Ladda are still going.
Good stuff buddy I love it
Thank you for this video. Oddly enough you've convinced me to stick with Eneloop, actually. You see, despite the very similar looking discharge curve, there's a significant difference in how long they can stay above the 1.2 volts mark.
There's also the difference in recharge cycles they're specified for - the 'normal' eneloop with 1900mAh (plenty enough) is only a bit more expensive per battery than the LADDA where I live, but gets 2100 cycles, which is far more than any competitor product can manage. I've also had some good experiences concerning the eneloop's ability to keep going at low temperatures for much longer than other rechargables I've used.
+Steamrick Hey, if you like Eneloop, stick with it! I'm just here to help consumers make informed decisions. LADDA runs just fine for every application I've used it in (including portable lights and flashes)! Maybe I'll investigate this 1.2V discrepancy a little more in a later video. Thanks for watching!
And I do feel much more informed now :)
If I was working with the same price discrepancy as you are, I'm sure I'd have come to the same conclusion as well. The Eneloop Pro certainly aren't worth paying more than double for quite similar results.
Hereabouts, the LADDA are 6.49€ / 4pc (plus gas or shipping), while the newest model Eneloop go for 8.00€ / 4pc (shipping included) and the Eneloop Pro for 14€ / pc (w/ shipping).
Thing is, I don't really care too much about the Pro. I'd much rather have the sheer longevity and price/performance of the lower-tier 'regular' eneloop. I don't need that small extra bit of power - if I'm uncertain they'll last for the full duration I need, I can just take a second set with me.
I've had quite a few of the 2nd gen eneloop (that came out 2010) in use for years, and I've not had a single one go bad on me so far. That's actually a lot better than non-rechargable batteries bought the same time period have managed... and Eneloop has gone ahead and come to the 4th generation by now, promising ever higher durability.
Indeed! Just for clarification, the LADDA is more of an analogue to Eneloop Pro and not the "regular" Eneloop battery :) As I found through my research, they're definitely not apples to apples! And yeah, if the difference in price is negligible to you, go for it!
Definitely appreciate the feedback! If you're into this sort of stuff, be sure to check out the rest of the channel!
I personaly prefer the pro: I tested them against the "normal" eneloops in my yongnuo flashes: the Pros recharged the flash much faster. At high frequency series the flashed with the normal eneloops sometimes didnt fire, resulting in partly darker images. =)
peterpahn123 that’s because the Pros are designed specifically for that purpose. My understanding is for low drain usage the “vanilla” Eneloops are much better when it comes to cost:longevity ratio.
Im going to ikea tomorrow. Thanks man
You just saved me like $100 bucks!
I read somewhere a test for the yellow IKEA batteries where they were comparable to high-end cells from top brands. On price/capacity value they were undefeated. That's what I call attention to details and happy customers, returning for more.
The yellows are alkaline cells, and I've never had a performance problem with them! Rechargeables are the way to go, though!
Thank you for making this video. I almost like to think of it as if you have saved us naive consumers from the strategies refined over generations by corporations due to the institutional knowledge that outlasts our individual lifespans.
ive been using a set of eneloops for years now, anything between 5-8 years and they still go strong. 8 of them cost 20 something euros to me, consider 1 duracell AA is 1 euro, initial cost might be higher, but they pretty soon pay themselfs back, depending on your use case.
This is quite interesting but frankly I have no interest in assembling my own batteries to save a few bucks. The included tool never really works and there's ALWAYS parts left over.
You are an absolute idiot. These are AA batteries. No assembly is required and there isn't any "included tool" either.
@@johncoops6897
That was clearly a joke, and quite a good one.
So the idiot...
is you.
@@BWater-yq3jx - Yep.... the WHOOSH factor was high!
I'm still that snob that would get the Eneloop Pro. I use them in my smart lock for my doors, in remotes, smart scale, everything else. They are amazing.
And almost identical to IKEA batteries.
There is a logical(-ish) explanation for almost all this. Basically they're all fabbed in the same factory. Same specs. Fine. We can assume this because the profiles of both are far too similar for coincidence. Why are some EnPros and some Ikea? This always happens with battery manufacture. All these batteries are factory tested (charge/discharge/charge) and then rated on quality. Maybe it's the temp they run at when discharged at a certain rate, maybe it's the temp that they run at when charged at a certain rate, maybe it's voltage at a certain time in the discharge cycle and then they're scored. Lets say it's an A/B/C/Reject setup so A's become EnPros, the B's are sold as white label and the C's go to places where they want crappy batteries for cheap, lets call that place Africa for the sake of argument. The rejects then get recycled. Now if Ikea come along and offer up a contract to buy x million of your B's at a certain value and guaranteed volume you're going to do that deal. The real question is is the extra $10 worth paying when the cheaper battery is what the manufacturer considers technically defective but in the real world they're essentially the same battery.
that's similar to what happens with vape batteries there will be a ton of different "brands" but they essentially all come from the same 3 sources
Sony
Panasonic
Tesla
Binning is the only difference. They all are manufactured the exact same way. Binning is what makes any difference at all.
Thanks for the heads up. We just got an Ikea in our area and I didn't even notice they had batteries. I have a few sets of eneloop and the pros. For the most part, they have done amazingly well. I am a event photographer and I pop the flash at least 3000 times a week. And that's on one set of eneloop non pro. They are worth every penny even at eneloop prices
From what I’ve heard, IKEA developed rechargeable batteries with Duracel early on so I’m not surprised they have good quality batteries now.
Mikael Grön Duracell is overpriced dogshit though.
duracel just pretty much rebrands stuff just like ikea does
I'm a little late to the party but would like to say I recognized the 8-bit version of the Ikea song by Jonathan Coulton.. great easter egg!
same eneloop in my wii for almost 10 years yes their that good
Amazing video. Thank you.
Just stumbled on this video.
I'll offer this Point of Fact, most retail establishments commission manufacturers to make their products. As a Sears Paint Associate 18 years ago, I found out that Sherwin Williams made our paint and our Easy Living and Weatherbeater brands had higher specs than Sherwin Williams paints. Sears Craftsman branded power drills were also made by Black & Decker. Craftsman screwdrivers are made by Western Forge. Whirlpool makes Kenmore appliances.
Sherwin Williams also makes paints for many other retailers.
IKEA is an overpriced furniture retailer that can justify taking a loss on batteries they pay someone to make for them.
Retail is all about demographics, Sherwin Williams demographics are primarily commercial builders and professional painters. They don't typically care about quality. Sears Best Easy Living & Weatherbeater Paints were the #1 paint brands when Sears sold paint. Sears Best Paints had the best warranty.
Retailers use vendors for their brands.
I'm sure you are absolutely correct in your conclusions, but perhaps something to consider.
I have a friend in the retail business here in Japan (her company sells coats) Japanese law says that if the final part of production is performed in Japan the goods can be labeled "Made in Japan". Her company imports coats made almost entirely in China. They stitch on one button in the factory in Japan and they can stick a "Made in Japan" label on it.
Awesome video my friend. Break breakdown, explanation and production. A+A+A+
+Creator Fundamentals Many thanks, sir! I definitely appreciate your feedback!
What he said
YOU HAVE JUST SAVE A LOT OF MY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Many thanks! A lot of money!
I believe the powerex pro which are 2700mah Made in Japan cells are not enerlop however are the older Sanyo/Panasonic 2700mah superlattice alloy evo(discontinued)Ni-Mh that were Made in Japan. I have both Sanyo and Powerex and they’re identical on capacity, power curve and voltage dropoff. They average over 2700mah at 1.50v off the charger.
corrections: I know this video is from 6 years ago BUT there's no excuse for the bad analysis: I just bought regular eneloop AAA - on amazon - made in japan - 12 pack - for $30 (not eneloop pro). and panasonic batteries ARE known for making impressive batteries as the main partner making the tesla cells, which usually maintain about 80% of their life after driving 200,000 miles. also, the idea that these rechargeable batteries are expensive is absurd. do the f-ing math. if a regular high end AAA is about $1 each and a quality rechargeable is 2.5 to even 5 times as expensive - do the math here - can last for even 10 charge cycles you have saved money = less expensive than disposables. BUT. BUT - these eneloops are supposed to last over 2,100 charge cycles bringing the cost down to fractions of a penny per charge cycle. how in the hell can you say they are "insanely expensive???" yes, initially they cost a little more, but even after 5 cycles they are 100% paid for. they could costs $100 per battery and you would still save money.
Even 7 years ago, nuance didn't get you the big view counts. Remember, we live in a world where "environmentalists" who think Republicans want to destroy the earth actually think AA batteries are environmentally friendly (because designing consumer electronics with a super-standardized removable battery totally isn't going to reduce ewaste dramatically). Don't believe me? Look at how many people were really happy about the Xbox controllers dropping AA. So many people praised Microsoft for going greener, when all they've done is make more ewaste... Big brain move there.
Very informative thanks!
it is $10 per 4 packs in Malaysia but still 50% cheaper than the Eneloop pro...
Great video! I found you through Creator Fundamentals. I subbed, Smashed the Bell, and Liked this video which automatically shares it to my twitter and a few othre places. Your awesome!
+LosingDrea Thanks! I'll aim to keep the content of only the highest caliber! 😉
Welcome to the unwonderful world of premium brand pricing. The price difference is solely the cost of the name on the label.
Thank you Great Job
Ive been using cheap chinese PKCell batteries for years now. Never had issues with them, and they hold a charge for years.. But it's nice to see there is now a locally available cheap LSD AA battery.
Very nice! subscribed!
Its funny how much you can save if you know who made the stuff you buy. Same with a lot of food. So much stuff is made at the same place and has the same ingrediants as some brand stuff. You really pay for the Name alone.
Great information. Thanks for this review. I am off to buy 2 packs of IKEA Ladda AA Batteries right now!!!
Dude there are SO many more specifications that are really more important.
As we see the chart there is a huge difference in Voltage drop. So the eneloop have a better voltage with higher current drains. That is one of the most important points (of course not for a clock or something like that).
Second Eneloop reach very high cycle numbers and have a real long lifetime. Can you say that about the Ikea ones ?
Dont get me wrong. The Ikea batteries will be fine for 99% of the user. But after all dont just say. Yeah looks identical, must be the same so better not buy the eneloops.
$15.00 dollars less. What was your question again?
Have you a guide to assemble the battery discharger that you used on this video?
Awesome video!! Very interesting and helpful. Thanks for the info :-)
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Great video. You’ve educated me. Thank you 👍👍
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