I Didn't Choose to Be Born (and More Deep Existential Stuff)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Plenty of rants and calls on this one, including an interesting conversation about whether being involuntarily born is a tresspass on one's right to never exist. Hmm.
I love my kids so much that they don't exist
Eight billion people on earth right now are in existence and will eventually die because their parents are not compassionate like you🥲.
Seth, you aren't arrogant enough. I'm not sure you realize how amazing you are.
I love his voice and empathy
A good case can be made for anti-natalism.
Perhaps. But not by that caller.
that translates to self-pity. I debunked that already in this section.
Realizing Im antinatalist has helped me so much to deal with existential dread. Once you accept it, it's far easier to try your best to make the most of this life, build relationships, appreciate and makeart -probably the 2 things that actually matter to me.
Exactly, being anti-natalist is mostly about compassion and an accute conscience about what everyone is going through, we're not death-worshipers, it's precisely our aversion to the horror of death and all things related what makes us not want to put more people through that by forcing them to be. Glad you are doing well!
Except that antinatalism claims that the continued populating of conscious creatures is immoral, however morality necessarily depends on conscious minds, thus if all consciousness ceases to exist, morality ceases to exist, therefore once consciousness ends, antinatalism is no longer immoral. I present this argument on the notion that at one point in evolution, consciousness did not exist and then it did, that consciousness also did not choose to be brought into existence, yet before it was, morality didn't exist thus it could not have been immoral to bring the first consciousness into existence.
Antinatalism.👍👍👍👍
@@JayBandersnatch As an antinatalist I agree with you entirely. The first occurrence(s) of consciousness was merely accidental, but the rest were intentional. For as long as there are conscious minds reproducing it is inherently immoral for those conscious minds to be doing. Once the conscious minds are gone it is no longer immoral, and also no longer a problem at all.
I do struggle with being alive and all the suffering and not just my suffering as I grow old but the suffering of all lives. I believe that I will have no memories when I die, no memories of the good, the bad, or the ugly. What is the point of suffering or the pleasures in the moment when I will recall none of it? Even if I believe my existence brings pleasure to others, they will not recall either when they're gone. In the end It all seems pointless.
Now we're talking !!!!!!!👍👍👍👍
Sure. Life is pointless. We will all go to nothingness and the universe will die heat death eventually. That all is most likely true, but you're alive now. That is more than nothing, even though it's temporary. Why hasten going to nothingness? Why end it? It will end all by itself. In the meanwhile try to enjoy life and make life enjoyable for others. We're all in the same boat anyhow.
OK, just nihilism with extra steps.
But let's wind back a bit first:
Congratulations, you're conceived. Your options are: be.
No?
Why, _you have something better to do?_
I like this thread of conversation because I agree with literally every one of you.
@Xunkun Don't underestimate reality though. It is, quite sadly, entirely possible to have something better to do.
I still feel like that once in a while. I did not volunteer for this sh*t, and I definitely wasn't wired for modern life in the US.
Life may be absurd, but it doesn't mean it is bad.
@@EarnestApostate Tell that to the child who's being r@ped daily by his father and uncle and will grow up to be the next Luis Alfredo "The Beast" Garavito...
@@EarnestApostate Saying life is absurd is meaningless. Also, you can only speak for yourself. A million dead Iraqis. For lies. For enriching a few people. How is that not bad? That's just one example. A child is maimed or killed every other day in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos by American bombs dropped half a century ago. The first example, most people don't care about. The second doesn't even make news worthy. They all were by choice. People defend the one million dead Iraqis by saying, at least Saddam is gone. They view it as an even trade.
@@EarnestApostate It's not bad for who? Or is it whom? You don't and can't know what life is or feels like for any other person besides yourself. If you grew up where I grew up, the way I grew up... you wouldn't dare say something so ridiculous. But I understand.
@@EarnestApostatebe born with "hidden" autism in a violent third world country and then come tell me.
What about children born in countries faced with hunger and horrible socioeconomic problems?
"Well, my life is good therefore life is great!"
That or a variation of it is what you can look forward to. General claims and assertions that are indifferent and dismissive to an individual's actual lived reality and experiences.
"I thought it wasn't worth it. I changed my mind and so will you! Things got better for me and they will for you"
Unfortunately, "out of sight, out of mind" is how most people live.
I think of having children as a game of Russian roulette. I'd never play even a single round of Russian roulette; I wouldn't voluntell a stranger to play a single round, never mind a friend; and I would absolutely call a parent forcing their own child to play unfathomably immoral. And yet, that's what being born is. There are plenty of chances to have a half-decent life, maybe you can even get lucky, but I don't think that makes it okay for the person who suffers their entire life.
I want to stay alive as long as possible. Because there is a greater than zero chance that I will go to Heaven and be surrounded by Evangelical Christians FOREVER! That alone is good reason to merge with AI to avoid death.
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I say I want to be there, when shit finally hits the fan for a last time ...
The joy you have in your life does not diminish the tragedy of mine. I have experienced good times and I'm glad to say that I've provided reasons for others to love their lives even more. However, if there was a button I could push and delete my life I would quickly smash it. I also believe that if humans had evolved without intelligence, life on this planet would be much, much more beautiful.
Very well said and I agree.
So why are you still breathing?
@@Pibblepunk I ask that question every morning.
@@Pibblepunk Probably because wishing to not have been born is not the same thing as wishing to be dead.
@ericmathena I hope you have more good days ahead.
That free speech absolutist caller was...I'm having difficulty putting it to words...but concerning comes to mind.
I'm so glad he called the podcast because he opened up a conversation that most people are too scared to have. Now we can talk about it. I've been waiting 45 years to meet someone like him and to have this conversation. I'm game now!!!!
On anti-natalism I can see where the caller is coming from and I honestly can't even completely argue against it. I'm also a supporter of euthenasia, so there's some common ground there. What I do bristle at is that anti-natalists I've encountered, this caller included, drift into declarations that all life is misery on balance and that we'd all be better off if we never had lived. I never asked for the caller or anyone else to speak on my behalf as to whether or not I value life. And his comment about pushing the button to get rid of humanity is downright concerning. We didn't consent to either of those things.
If you honestly wish you had never been born and find that helps you in life, as others in the comments suggest, I'm not going to tell you otherwise. Honestly I'm happy you've found a philosophy that benefits you in some way. I'm not trying to change your mind. And maybe this is just a few unrepresentative voices speaking on the topic and anti-natalists in general don't share those sorts of positions. But I think those more aggressive positions on it cross that moral line the philosophical position claims to be founded on.
As an antinatalist, I agree with you. The entire point of the philosophy is to avoid harm (which I think world ending would be).
I suspect that you'll hear more from antinatalists who have had a poor life on the whole more than those who simply worked their way to the conclusion. They have more reason to be vocal because they feel the desire to not be. I'm decently optimistic about my own life, but I am quite sympathetic to those who suffer. That caller is an example of that to me.
There will always be people who did not choose to be here and suffer greatly for it. Many will never even have the chance to complain, others will have it worse than the caller here, and yet the world around us ignores their plight.
To me, as long as people are here they can, and should, make their own decisions for their own lives. Personally, I object to playing roulette with the lives of others and that is exactly what I see parents as doing. Gamble your own life as you see fit, but don't do that to others.
@@Trefender1Thanks for your input on the extreme form of what really is just antinatalism conflated with nihilism. There’s a time and place for presenting solid/sound arguments without emotional bias.
Its not humanity I hate .... its the people.
Yeah, that makes you, internally, about as mean and $h¡†y as the people you hate...
Same
That next to last caller, the happy atheist lady I don't think understands the huge problem with christian groups imposing their beliefs on the homeless, I would challenge her to imagine if she was homeless and perhaps trans or gay or even just homeless coming from a situation of one abuse after another as an Atheist, losing all hope or care for staying alive due in part to things like christianity and dealing with the torment of homelessness and being labeled crazy even though she may not be, and using drugs to help cope with her suffering while more christians view her as needing their God, it's absolutely sick and her perspective was very uninformed, I've been in their shoes, she definitely has not
Yeah she was ignorant and shitty. I hate people like her and i can always tell when they don’t understand what it means to be in distress.
Rita, first off, Seth wasn't taking away your free speech. Seth was responding to what you said. Second, it seems like you are globalizing your own experience. Different people feels differently about life. I am a strong proponent of seeing people as individuals. My life has been far from easy, but I love being alive. And I myself strive to help others. But I know that everyone doesn't think like me which is fine. I'm sorry that life is so difficult for you. I hope things get better.
Well, you probably don't have to live with severely debilitating mental aillments, such as personality disorders... I do, and I'm team Anti-natalism (but I think the people who are already alive should develop the technology to end death by inventing true immortality, because having to go through the horror of death is the main reason I'm agains creating more people). That was a real long caveat...
@@JDdr86 You don't need to go through anything to be an antinatalist. Iraq is enough for me to be an antinatalist. I'm going to live under the shadow of the Iraq War/War of Terror and Bush for the rest of my life. That's still only a small, even insignificant, part why I'm an antinatalist.
@@JDdr86 I've got the regular run of the mill adhd and anxiety and depression and ptsd. I also have several chronic physical ailments. My childhood was a roller coaster and I've lost too many people. So no. I don't have schizophrenia. And I dont know what Rita's life is like.
My issue with Rita was their desire to blow up the entire world. None of us asked to be here but many of us do want to be here. So our agency would be stomped on if Rita blew up the world. Also, that they compared being born to rape. As a rape victim myself and someone who knows rape victims, that was infuriating. But yes, I do have sympathy for Rita.
@@grisflyt My cousin did 3 tours in Iraq. He no longer lives in the US and I don't blame him.
I feel like the guy hosting the podcast is in denial. He is probably most likely looking at his person alive and not looking at the overall picture of the world and human suffering. If he has a good life then overall, he will think that life. It's probably most likely good. But the whole picture of life from every corner of the earth people are suffering. If you're not looking at that most likely you're trying to cope by ignoring. That's why I think life overall and I do agree with the Caller I think life overall is not good. Human suffering is daily. Just because you have a good life doesn't mean everyone has a good life. Most humans right now are struggling. Some are good at hiding it some are not. If you want to be in denial that's up to you. I think reality will bite you in the ass eventually. Keep ignoring because reality is reality. Whether you want to live in the illusion of peace or not
The subject of natalism while I do not completely agree with it I do find the topic interesting still.
You, or at least your co-hosts on other shows, bring up the number of starving children time and time again.
Yet when it comes to the premise that birthing someone with no consent, into a life of at least some if not solely suffering is a bad thing, you fall back on your own experience.
But even if personal anecdotes weren't poor backing in the first place, the point is you have no way of guaranteeing a child you have is going to be mentally sound or physically healthy, let alone successful.
Your counter only addressed why you, personally, haven't committed suicide. It had nothing to do with the ethics of bringing someone into an uncertain life, or one where suffering is essentially certain like those of impoverished children in third world countries.
You're reminding me of Red Green. He had a bit where gives advice to fellow older men while he winds fishing flies. He said that if you're talking about how cars are parked on your street, you have nothing to say, stop talking.
Seth, you and the anti-natalist caller interrupting one-another prevented either of you from really getting a solid understanding of each others positions. I really appreciate that you responded calmly. Even though I could hear the strong emotional reaction in your surprise you tried to engage in a level conversation.
Personally, as an anti-natalist with no mental health issues I also think the later caller focusing on the prior's mental health really didn't help. Antinatalism is a rationalist position that many people come to by considering things most others just don't or won't. Reasonable people can disagree on the points and conclusions, but rarely do I see a calm response.
Lastly, antinatalism is certainly not a position aligned with all of the caller's beliefs. I suspect most antinatalists don't seek death at all, and I would even say that that's part of the point. Death is not a better alternative to life, but never having been is.
I recommend reading up on the topic because I'd love to see a level-headed disagreement on the common points. I'd actually like to be wrong on this one, but I've never seen a pronatalist argument that didn't just reek of selfishness, privilege, and/or naivety (you can put religious arguments in one or more of those categories).
at 70 people don't understand why i don't go to movies or watch much tv. it's all been there, done that. movies are being remade ad nauseam. the jokes are old. the scares are not scary. so i enjoy reading because there is far more novelty (😄) there.
I can see the anti-natalist position. I agree that there was no consent in being born. I have a friend that’s an anti-natalist and I know people who want to die. It would make me sad and I would miss them but they would end their suffering. And I think at some level they do have a right to end their suffering.
caller 352 gave me a lot to think about, very interesting topic. Anti-natalism is one of those philosophies I wish i could disagree with, but the more I know.....
I consider myself an antinatalist, and I'm with you all of the way. It's counter-intuitive yet impossible to deny (as far as I've seen). I'd love to be wrong.
The fact that nobody asked or chose to be born is about the only point I agree with from that first caller. Schizophrenia aside, I find his mindset deeply disturbing. Not wanting to have children is one thing, that's a perfectly reasonable personal choice. The rest is incredibly pessimistic, but that last comment about wanting to press a button to destroy the world if he could, _that_ sets off some serious alarms. He really needs to be helped before he becomes a danger either to himself or others. At the very least, it would make sure that he's of sound mind to go through Death with Dignity, if that is what he _really_ feels he _has_ to do, but don't think you can play apocalypse with the rest of our lives just because _you_ can't find positivity in life.
I'm an antinatalist myself and I don't agree with the benevolent world-exploder view (and efilism as a whole). It breaches consent on so many levels, even more than bringing someone into existence.
@@ReversedFootage As a fellow antinatalist, I agree with you entirely. The people who are here can choose for themselves.
I also wish I had never been born because my adult life has been not much fun but I'm too much of a coward to take my own life.
Before this video started UA-cam decided to show me an ad about Jesus and ministry for Israel. Logical innit 😂
I'm pretty sure most atheist content makes money from religious organizations advertising.
I've always though it funny because they think they'll convert people who are about to watch or listen to something debunking their claims...
This is extra hilarious when it's in front of one of the many UA-camrs who actually play theist videos going over them point-by-point in great detail.
This was such a fantastically fun podcast to listen to, Seth. So enjoyable.
Also: I'm totally digging the True Stories, as well.
Hope we get to see you again soon.
I understand anti-natalism. I've wished I was never born since I was a child.
While I think my mother would have been better off if I’d never been born, that ship sailed without my consent. Life can be good on balance, and I wish that for everyone.
I think Seth had a very biased and myopic perspective while discussing Rita's points. Not everyone was born in the USA in relative comfort. Children and adults die everyday from malnutrition and disease without these self-affirming 1st world thoughts of how wonderful life is or could be. The fact is, life is harsh, unforgiving and never fulfilling for millions. Then you die according to us atheists.
And it's not just about attitude.
The 'dream it and you can achieve it' trope simply isn't true. I never have been or be able to dunk a basketball. Some people will simply live a horrible life, through no fault of their own.
I certainly don't agree with Rita in a way that works for me. But I certainly can appreciate not everyone is me.
Seth missed an opportunity for a broader discussion on the personal choice of self-euthsnasia and bodily autonomy.
I agree. The right to die with dignity when ready and of one's own choosing ought to be a universal human right. Life can be cruel, and it's made harder by unjust societies that allow exploitation of the poor while subsidizing the rich. If millions of people had an easy way to end their suffering with dignity and without stigma, imagine the unintended consequences. With a shrinking labor pool due to a sudden increase in suicides, something finally might be done to make life better for all.
I also agree with Rita that the human race has been a scourge on this planet. If (when?) we go extinct, I imagine the remainder of life would say good riddance!
Also, Americans live in comfort while making sure everybody else lives in discomfort. It seems there's nothing Americans love more than making war and killing and maiming non-Americans.
@@henrym5889I respectfully add the concept of realism to your optimism vs pessimism argument. Suffering is most definitely not all a matter of “perspective” or life choices. People have very different life experiences. Full stop. (You did address needless suffering next, kudos).
People that are “outraged” or can’t empathize with callers’ ideas concern me. Any who would advocate against caller’s third argument about right to die with dignity (and the philosophical idea of never being born as it can create a human life which may experience severe suffering) are those who have been lucky enough to have not had to consider those options, in my opinion. Sad? Yes. Reality, for some? Yes, unfortunately. The comments you replied to above were very well said.(As is yours).
@@rcnfo1197 Halle-fucking-luya!! 👏👏
Amen dude! 👍👍
Seth your compassionate response to Mr. Anti-Life was spot-on. You are an inspiration.
If a podcast is irritating to you, just change the channel. A couple I've enjoyed are Judge John Hodgeman (sp?), Putting On Airs (avail on YT), Sean M Carroll "Mindscape" (AMA), and The Allusionist. 🖖✌️🤘👻😎
You say "Mr. Anti-Life" like it's a bad thing.
Entire continents starving to death
Children with brain cancer
Living with a horrible genetic disease that makes one's life miserable
a TEN-year-old getting ***** and impregnated, nearly being forced to stay pregnant
Being 100% innocent of a crime being given a life sentence in prison
Uvalde....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
What about a child born with an awful, awful disease, making their life miserable? What about the children and their families in Uvalde? What about 6-year-olds getting brain cancer? What about someone 100% innocent of a crime getting a life sentence in prison? What about people, children and adults, who literally starve to death? What about 12-year-olds being put into zecks trafficking? What about someone who has any kind of objectively bad life? "It's good to have life and opportunity" get out of here with that mess.
The word that most describes Christian rock/metal to me is ERSATZ; an inferior quality knock-off of actual metal that didn’t propagandize or proselytize.
Having said that, it’s gotten better really; the lyrical content and balls-out riffs are every bit as good as their secular counterparts. Another funny thing is, parents seem to hate it worse than regular metal music.
Reminds me of a meme I saw where a monkey was mocking a human for being the only animal that pays to live on this planet
Most animals "pay" to live as currency is simply the exchange of value for other stuff of value. Wild monkeys will often barter with other monkeys for stiff they've collected. Most often though the currency is rudimentary like trading sex for protection.
@@JayBandersnatchok, let's rephrase it: we are the only animal that works 8 hours a day mainly for the benefit of a few who, despite the shitty exploitative jobs they provide, they harm society more than they benefit it. At least the queen ant is essential for the colony.
298 comments. What are the chances Seth sees my suggestion of Hardcore History as a podcast? It's real and he makes the terrible things seem truly awful but damn interesting.
Thank you Seth....I HATE fake laughter and nervous laughter. Total rage inducing.
But you can't really help nervous laughter. It's born from anxiety.
I don't mind it in normal conversation or people calling in, I'm speaking more to Seth's point - it's distracting to the point of rage with radio and podcast hosts.
dr. seth, if ANY of us met our teen selves it would be full body cringe.
Rachel Madow last two podcasts covered true political crime
We are failing society and culture that we can't accommodate someone who has mental or physical disability and help them to thrive :(
I'm your age Seth and just separated from an abusive husband. 30 years of mental abuse. I have a long road ahead in healing and still struggling most days, but there's no way to ignore the beauty in life when I have my daughter, son-in-law and a 3rd grandchild coming next month.
Hang in there, and be glad to be away from the abusive husband. Always know that your husbands abuse is a statement about him, and not you.
@@gabriellaspaeth2275 feeling better every day. Glad to have my freedom and build a life that suits me.
Breeding makes you happy. Not everybody is so simple.
Sorry about your previous situation. Glad to hear you have escalated it.
Wishing you luck in the future.
We are a new charity for the prevention of abuse through play and entertainment. If you have any suggestions on what more we can do, right now we are concentrating on children, teaching them to recognize the early stages of abuse that are often overlooked. If we can teach them these things in games, when someone tries them in person, they will know how to handle it, which is to call it out!
Oh Seth😂...those green socks, that laugh and st Patrick's day followed by more of that laugh...got me giggling like mad on my way to work on a London bus.😳From now on, I'll listen to you at home where it's safer to laugh and giggle at my heart content😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for everything you do Seth👍👍💪💪👏👏👏👏👏
Yesterday I came about a post here on YT about a young UA-camr lady that just had passed. In the comment section there was dozens of ppl spurting out something about 'probably the jab'/'vax'.... dafuq is wrong with ppl. Really depressing
for me, it's less a tresspass on my right never to have existed(re: the video description), it's that many raging nut parents think merely keeping you from dying is enough to demand respect and obeisance and BOATLOADS of thanks. someone demanding you be thankful for their selfish decisions is idiotic, they didn't need a child, they either made a mistake or wanted a child. it's like the demand for respect, if the former german chancellor was still alive, would you respect him cause he's old? a lot of people think being old should be enough, for many, being the one you squirted out of should be enough, i think that's a bit rich.
A lot of people think of antinatalism as being antilife which it's not. I don't think that caller helped with that.
I agree with you. In my opinion it is the moral duty of a parent to make their child's entire life better for certain (maybe with near certainty, not sure on that myself) better than non-existence. I am aware of no way to even come close to accomplishing that so I am quite strongly an antinatalist myself.
To my mind, no amount of people as happy as Seth could ever make up for a single occurrence of some of the diseases that people can be born with. Never mind the nasty things (diseases or human caused) that can happen afterward.
WE KNOW HOW THE DAMN PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT GFDI!!
He’s concluded it was “advanced technology”. Lol.
Hi Seth, podcasts I enjoy are MrBallen for true crime (even though most of his "twists" are pretty obvious), Sounds like a Cult (who you may consider doing a show with), and if you want paranormal and odd histories, I'd check out Strange Familiars. They really shine in their folklore (which is largely American focused) and historical research. The have an excellent episode on "The Summer of Darkness" (e.g. the circumstances leading up to the writing of Mary Shelly's Frankenstein) and the Goat Castle in Natchez, MS. Also, they produce their own music and comic art, which I appreciate.
Longtime Ballen fan here, gonna check out Sounds Like A Cult now... Thx
Love Mr. Ballen! Going to check out those other ones. Thanks.
Some podcasts thatyou might enjoy:
1) Clear & vivid: Alan Alda interviews interesting people.
2) Dead Eyes: about a failed audition for Band of Brothers
3) Radiolab: mostly about science
4) Cautionary Tales: about things going horribly wrong
Radiolab, especially the older ones with Jad and Robert.
That one call was overwhelmingly disheartening.
You sound more condescending than compassionate. Like, there's a difference between compassion and pity, where the first one is respectfull and acknowledges equality, while the second one presumes one's inherent superiority over the pitied party. Like the difference between "poor guy, I wish I could help and understand him somehow" and "poor bastard, he's a little $h¡†-head, what a waste... He needs help! (by someone else, please, somewhere far away frome us!)".
And how!!!! Jesus…
Your green shirt rant made me think of that scene in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. "Have a point"
I LOVE Seth and I so respect his patience and humanistic approach. I, however, am becoming much more of an anti-theist in the vein of Hitchens or Aron Ra, as I think religion is the most vile, evil institution ever created by mankind.
Certainly the current situation with so many vile extremist Christian Nationalists is leaving a bad taste on our collective tongues.
Wow this choose to be born guy is very concerning......nothing against Seth on this, but I hope this guy gets some help. I feel for him.
Why? The world is 24/7 evil. World wars, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. How can a person not being disgusted by this? How can somebody want to be a part of this?
Just because someone has a different opinion about life than you do doesn't mean he needs help. He's just telling his own truth. It's different from yours, but that doesn't make him a person "who needs help" In my books, he's the boldest outlier who publicly said something that probably millions of people think and feel "secretly" but are too afraid to admit. He's a hero in my books.
On that note, you too are free to think whatever you want to think about him. It doesn't mean you're correct, but you are at least free to express your mind...and that's a great thing. 😀
@@tklyte true but I have been in his spot before and it is a miserable way to live. For most people I think there is lots of good in life… I just hope that person finds some kind of peace.
@@DPK365 I'm not miserable. Not even close. I love life and I enjoy it as much as I can, but that's because I'm already here making the best out of the cards I was dealt. After all, the alternative is not something anyone who's already here wants. But, If I had been asked if I wanted to be born and shown the reality of life on the planet I was going to inhabit, I would've unequivocally said "NO" I'll pass.
Yeah thanks, no amount of "help" (money spent) can fix some people's life. As a late diagnosed autistic person who has alway felt miserable, I just wish euthanasia becomes quickly accessible. I'm too coward to commit suicide by my own means.
Sooooo, you didn't stay to hear about the green underwear??
i love the thumbnail for this video.
Seth, your levelheadedness is coveted…it levels out the energy when it could become uncontrollable or convoluted. Thanks for being the example that we need to show us how to honor ourselves and other’s reality that may stand in stark contrast to our own!
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I second that! I love Seth is always interesting and entertaining. His True Stories podcast is a great stress reliever.
WE... NEED... MORE...: >Seth Andrews Sings Christian Death Metal< 😎☻🤘😝🤘
Seth, didn't you complain, not long time ago that men's balls are so sensitive and other animal have it better. But you can't understand that people hate their lives.
huh!!. how about that
Huh? He was talking about if there were a god that designed us, how our bodies could be designed better. I don't see how this relates to this subject.
Seth, you might enjoy “The Casual Criminalist” podcast by Simon Whistler. Some episodes have a fair amount of humor, some are almost exclusively straightforward, but all episodes are written about real crimes and both famous and obscure.
New people hearing new comedians might find that surprise you're talking about. The same way new generations re-"discover" the Beatles and are amazed. Lots of UA-cam react channels of people hearing "old" music for the first time.
I used to buy every Resurrection Band album and subscribe to their Cornerstone magazine. I once promoted a concert featuring Sweet Comfort Band when I was in high school. And at one point met Larry Norman.
I listen to “the savage lovecast” podcast too. People call in about all sorts of relationships like life partners, family members like parents, and dynamics of other niche sexual relationships (and otherwise) that lots of people don’t usually know about. It’s not always personally relatable but I find it interesting to learn more about what people are like and the wide variety of interests and preferences
50:20 Where can I get a doctorate that easily? I’d love to be able to run around with “documentation” requiring people to call me Doctor. I’ll really be putting all of my sonic screwdrivers to use at that point!
I 100% agree with the caller who inspired the title.
"Stuff You Should Know" is a good podcast, granted I haven't listened in over a year.
Life is not a gift! Life is an imposition! David Benatar and others are right. There is no life without suffering or pain. Nobody can guarantee an offspring a life without suffering. Nobody can guarantee an offspring a happy life, either. It's an individual's choice not to bring more humans into this world. Those who never get conceived will not miss out on anything, because they will not exist, ever. However, as soon as they are born (or earlier) pain and suffering are unavoidable. Seth, you would think differently, if you had been born with a congenital handicap or if you had a child born with a lifelong discapacity. The point is, that life is not a choice, it is an imposition! The greatest gift of love one can give a child is for it to never be born. The world today is shit and it is unfair and very selfish to conceive children to have them suffer in this crappy world. And it's gonna get worse! Do you wish any harm to your beloved children? If the answer is no, the only way to make sure they will never have to suffer, is by not f0rnic4ting them into the world. Easy! No life, no suffering. 🤷♂️
All life is not 100% suffering , nor pleasure . Stephen Hawking 55yrs living with ALS is beyond anything I could deal with. But he did it . WW2 400,000 Americans gave their lives for our freedom . So what if they had never been born ? Why didn't the 1st humans think this way ? wishing he should not have had kids , seeing some of them killed by Lions or other wild life in Africa . 100,000 yrs ago . Life is short , and it can be alot better and so much worse .
@@loulew07 Whatever.
Not getting born at all guarantees a 100% of not suffering. Period!! And that is an undeniable fact!
Facts don't care for your feelings.
sorry for how bleak your caller feels his life is, exacting a price instead of helping by presence, for the world; everybody can ease the burden of a task or emotional challenge, opportunity in each moment
“If you’re gonna tell me the Green Shirt story that shit better go somewhere” - Seth Andrews 2023
The voices of storytellers are everything!
Agree on the accents Seth! I could listen to that person from Scotland talk all day. Ireland, Australian accents, all those and more.
The free speech "I would push the button to blow up the world if I could" guy, wow. 1st this is obscenely selfish of him. 2 He needs more help than he's getting and shouldn't be in a position to cause harm to others. I believe this is the same guy as from a show years ago. He used nearly the same phrases, same tone of voice, etc..
Probably not the same person. He likely used the same phrases because antinatalism is an actual philosophical position. However, he could probably use some help if he'd seriously push a world exploding button. That's not an antinatalist position and is in fact counter to the point of the philosophy.
@@Trefender1 I'd have to go find and listen to the original. I also think the voice bears out it's the same person. This was from a podcast somewhat similar to this in that it covered a similar range of subjects. I can't recall at the moment exactly which it was. There is a temptation to track that down. I'm not certain of course. If I can easily find which I'll post that here.
I like Dark History with Bailey Serion and the Mr. Ballen podcast
Seth listen to Trace Evidence if your into true crime. It’s a great cast
Loved Bruce and Ruth at the end. They both motivate me to continue appreciating all the small joys in life, and sharing with others. 😊
To the philosopher that thinks everyone should die young.. A lot of wisdom would never materialize in the presence of the youth's raging hormones.
Age gives us reflection and context that the youth will never appreciate.
Hi seth i enjoy your stuff, outside that I listen to a podcast called "no such thing as a fish" ❤❤
True Crime Podcast:
Mr. Ballen
Life is life, it isn't meant to be anything else (that we know of). We assign purpose to ourselves, so trying to see life for more than what it is really is just lying to ourselves. If you love life, that's because that's the state life is in for you at that time, if you hate your life then the same applies. There is only so much you can do to change your life state, it's your choice how you deal with it.
I don't see how giving birth to someone could ever be violating their bodily autonomy and therefore be in anyway considered tantamount to grape.
And while I agree with the caller's point that people should be allowed to die on their own terms, I think it's a tricky issue to navigate. Under capitalism, what's to stop companies from cropping up that will gleefully convince unwitting people that their lives are pointless and they should just pay the company their life savings to end it for them and put them at peace? There are two sides to every coin.
By what right was I brought to life? By what right was I brought to suffer? There's no difference between not being born and death.
@Tacobell2009 Man, that last sentence talking about capitalism taking advantage of people like that is scary as hell. I hadn't even thought about that and as far as people who talk too much about capitalism, you'd think that'd be something I would have thought of.
@@Dustin_Bins No doubt, it's a horrifying notion. I hope it never becomes a reality. Death with dignity is so important, but it's crucial we don't allow a profit motive behind it. Unfortunately, in the US, with our privatized healthcare system, I don't see how we truly accomplish that.
The huberman podcast is pretty good
Try crime weekly podcast!!
you become desensitized to comedy over the decades
Wtf. Marc Maron. Great interviews
That noobie dj voice. Love it and not wrong
TOTALLY relate to the useless BS podcasts/UA-camrs. I will NOT waste my time...there is a finite number of hours in the day, I only listen to those who raise the goddamn bar.
I very much love true crime that specializes in facts and compassion for the victims. Raising monsters to the level of cult heroes is disrespectful to all humanity, especially the victims.
Currently list:
Chris Shelton's Sensibly Speaking, he specializes in Critical Thinking
Johann Hari
Real Crime Profile
Crime Analyst
Ten Percent Happier
Nutrition Facts
This is Monsters
Somewhere Sinister
Swindled
Narcissist Apocalypse Whistleblower of the Week, Childhood by Chanel & Tiffany Miller (sweet stories and lots of laughter as they are sisters).
For music I enjoy the BEAUTIFUL piano music of Relax Daily
I can't afford wifi, so anything I can download and take with me is my go to.
Thank you, Seth, for raising the goddamn bar! ❤
Lol, Seth, we all love your bunny trails! Dogs, cats, all of it. Plus, you make great points once you do get to the theme! 👍💙💖🥰✌
No, we do not ALL love bunny trails, dogs, cats, and all of it. You do, and that's perfectly OK in my books.
@@AKIA2024 ok. Lol!💙🥰✌
Surely Foil Arms & Hog are very funny. Generally quite original too. They’re Irish, so no lame American “humor”.
My favourite podcasts (the only ones I know actually) are No Such Thing As a Fish by the QI elves, and Something Rhymes With Purple about the English language.
Didn't ask to be born, noone gets to tell me how to live, love, think, feel, dress, act, believe, or what to do with my body while I'm here, except maybe in the bedroom under informed consent and consent can be revoked at any time 😁, obviously I apply the same standard to everyone else thus respecting everybody's autonomy, beyond that I choose to obey federal and state laws to the best of my ability because it is necessary to continue having that autonomy
About the podcast recs: the only podcast I regularly follow that I can think of is Disc Only, but idk if I'd necessarily recommend it to *you* per se. It feels like it's for a fairly niche and quite frankly pre-established audience, from the origin of the name and the show overall to why the hosts are podcasting together in the first place to all the bizarre (though honestly hilarious) tangents they get on and equally bizarre running jokes that develop as a result. Like for example of how the humor happens in this show, one of the high points from last month's episode was one of the hosts mentioning he had a lot of leftover orange Fanta cans that he was trying to get rid of, then later in the podcast his wife brings him another can of Fanta, then the friend they had staying over brought him a *third* can of Fanta. Just... haunting this man with orange Fanta. May not be funny to everyone, but I laughed my ass off XD
Along a similar line I feel like My Brother, My Brother, and Me might have a bit wider range of appeal, but out of all the McElroy offerings I mostly stick to The Adventure Zone so I can't really say much beyond getting a chuckle out of a few of the clips that go around hehe. Right now I've got the "say it with donuts" bit stuck in my head. Oooooooo!
29:19 Thanks for saying this. As a person who has -ahem- not always liked it here and -ahem- thought about leaving, I hope we _all_ get to a place/moment where we can see and extract real joy.
Also, if someone downthread hasn't already mentioned it, _Well There's Your Problem_ - imagine true crime/whodunnit, but the crimes are all things like shoddy engineering, deferred maintenance, etc., and in place of pukers talking green undies, it offers a sarcastic civil engineer, an analyst and an attorney going on unhinged rants about bad infrastructure. It's great.
_Edit:_ that last caller has achieved a level of wisdom and zen I **wish** I could find.
Old Gods of Appalachia is a very good and original horror podcast. The story is actually unique and well written. They also do a great job with voice acting, sound effects, and music. Highly recommended.
Yeah, anti-natalist caller didn’t present the arguments in the best way, some extremes for sure. But very interesting, deep existential stuff, as promised! Thanks!
Jesus! He calls himself a philosopher? He needs to see a psychiatrist… And we wonder why Christians paint everyone with these effed up brushes… 😢
37:07 Well, Seth, my response to a question like that is, "No. She wrecked her Harley on the way to Sturgis. Here's your sign."
I remember growing up listening to FM radio during the morning drives to school. As a kid, it was always one specific classic rock station (I am a 90s kid), and as a teen, it was always one specific country station. The reason for the change in stations was not because of a change in music tastes, but because the morning hosts of the aforementioned classic rock station moved to the aforementioned country station, and my family just loved listening to them.
Admittedly, the bulk of it was because of two little segments they did, both in the space between 7 and 8 AM, both about "weird" stories. If I had to summarize the premises, think Jay Leno's Headlines (I already dated myself, so who cares) but going past the headlines to cover the actual stories behind them. Those two doses of laughter (often hard laughter) served as the family coffee pot for our mornings.
The first of these segments focused on just one story, which was always followed with a "dramatic reenactment" played out entirely by one of the hosts (all improvised) while the co-host reacted to the jokes and goofy voices and effectively served as a much more natural one-person laugh track. Some of my favorite skits done in the reenactments were the "Welcome to the Mild Kingdom, sponsored by Mutual of Alamo Heights" ones.
The second segment was a bit more like Leno's Headlines, generally much like the police blotters that sometimes came up in Headlines. Each story usually came and went too fast to get any real hard laughter, but there was still plenty of laughter to be had.
My first bout of existential dread came when the hosts finally retired. Everyone in the family knew they could not stay on forever, even if music radio is arguably the least physically intensive (on the body, at least) art media to do, but once they finally left the air, we all had a collective realization of, "Oh f^^^, we're getting older." Every memory recall of those days brings back some amount of that dread along with the memory.
If anyone knows some kind of channel or podcast is at least somewhat like what those hosts used to do, please let me know. It is very hard to try to search for something like that, and one can only stomach so many samples that turn out to be unwanted or even bad before they sink deeper into existential dread and worryingly contemplate certain permanent ways of ending the dread.
a good horror podcast i think you would enjoy is called Scared to Death, a husband and wife read ghost stories from around the world. The husband does a good podcast called Timesuck, which handles true crime and paranormal stories, and another true crime is done by MrBallen
Love your show Seth
In my listening experience, podcasts are all FULL of inside jokes and a lot of the enjoyment comes from getting to know the hosts. We all laugh at things our friends do that wouldn't be funny if a stranger did it. I think a lot of podcasts need a couple listens before you can get into the feel of it.
The only thing I agree with on the philosophy of anti-natalism is that if you adopt the philosophy, then I agree that you shouldn't have kids. If you adopt the philosophy, I already feel sorry for you, and you shouldn't have children. What others do is their business.
It's their kids business more than theirs.
Seth, thinking man's horror (and human condition vibe), I strongly recommend the Magnus Archives. (My teenage kids pointed me to this)
Focus is on story telling (an audio recording of an incident), that becomes more bizarre and Lovecraftian as is goes.
If you are feeling playful but still want that Lovecraftian feel, Welcome To Nightvale. It almost generates it's own memes, like "All Hail the Glow Cloud", the dangers of librarians, and the dog park. (Text can do it justice)
As a radio/podcast presenter, I'm sure you will find the presentation professionalism both present to be refreshing, especially after the green shirt guys
True Crime Brewery is a great podcast. A husband and wife team.
Seth, i listen to the same podcast every monday, its by a comedian named dan cummins and its called Timesuck. alot of true crime and alot of historical stuff, i would check that one out dude lol
Hahahaha u can sense the frustration in Seth’s voice here 5:44
@Seth, what was the name of the Christian band that change to a different genre with each new album?
Seth! Love your perspective ❤❤❤👍👍👍