No One Chose to Exist
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In this short allegory, we follow a population of turtle species that exists trapped at the bottom of a pit. As time passes, they conceive of a means of escaping the pit, but it comes at a high, paradoxical price.
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“Never asked to be born, now I gotta do all this shit to survive” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Why does it have to be so dang expensive to live
@@enolp artificial scarcity for most people, while billionaires become richer and richer. Modern neoliberal economy works like that
@@KateeAngel
socialism is worst.
@@stenionet Yugoslavia was doing fine until they tried to be more capitalist, and Cuba is doing way better now than when they were capitalist. Oh, and don't even get me started on Vietnam and how well some of their anti-capitalism laws have worked...
@@enolp capitalism and greed
"i can't quite figure it out either, now let's make it the next generation's problem"
Global warming, Shortage of oil, Shortage of plantable Soil, Shortage of land, Overpopulation, World hunger.
In a nutshell
Gaming god
@@someaipretendingtobehuman3157 Global warming lol ok... shortage of oil except oil futures literally went NEGATIVE recently because we had so much oil we couldn't even use or store it all. World hunger except population has been booming exponentially for decades... The only thing you got right was overpopulation, which is the only legitimate environmental concern in existence, from which all other concerns are borne.
@@someaipretendingtobehuman3157 some people do not think for others
We didn’t choose to exist yet we can’t choose to unexist ourselves
When Freddie Mercury said "I don't want to die, I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all" I felt that shit to the core.
He was incoherent
@@doomer2539 incoherent 🤦♂️
@@billy-joes6851 yeah i now, my keyboard replaced the English word with a Romanian word
There may or may not be an objective meaning in life, but there’s a subjective meaning and that is what I personally love. I love my family, I love my friends, I love people, I love nature, I love music, which means I love this world. Doesn’t mean there isn’t despair and cruelty but it’s still beautiful cruel world. And I rather experience the beauty and love even with the cruelty, than to never see and feel the beauty at all. But the individual has to accept the love and beauty into their hearts.
@@myles9075 yin and yang
The biggest fear in my life is, that one day my child feel regret to be born into this cruel world and he just cry alone in his room wanting to end his life.
Just like I did
that's actually pretty good ngl for someone like you to have.
Some people (like me) just regret having existed and are not alive anymore, their bodies are probably functioning and everything; but they are mentally dead, they no longer want to live. If death comes to them, naturally as a species they will feel fear, but once they think clearly they will realize there is an opportunity to end all this suffering... All I wrote is what guides me now. Calling me a "living being" is not fully acceptable.
@@abot5533 living being is fully acceptable cuz you still alive and as long as you have your sense of being existence than you are pretty much alive, it's just that you don't have a healthy life.
@@rintluangirenthlei no, I consider myself as death
@@abot5533 if you have the consciousness to make that decision, you ain't dead lmao. Cuz dead people don't have the consciousness to make that kind of decision.
When Eren Yaeger said “There’s no better salvation than never having to be born into this world” I felt that
@@Shwab1627 yeah but the quote still holds some truth specially if you apply it to eldians
@@Shwab1627 lmao yeah okay, where could the eldians have gotten therapy?
@@Shwab1627 I'm not depressed or nun it's just sometimes when I look at the world it be so many problems I don't feel like participating.
@@Shwab1627 tried making friends. Everyone pulled away and left me. Family? Well my mom is sick with cancer and I have a brother thats autistic and guess who has to take care of them? I'm in a shit ton of debt not making anywhere near the amount to be able to pay it off and your telling people that life is basically worth living? Having never been born would have been the best thing honestly cause then I wouldn't have to suffer none of us would
Same. Even though he was just lying to trick Zeke. The quote still holds
“Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Come watch TV.” - Morty
Also everyone is gonna die.
That’s what I was thinking
r/mortys14andthinksthatsdeep
Why me :(
lmfao no comp today bois
"They were born to solve their parents's problems"... This, this.. THIS is the harsh truth...
This has been the case since humans first existed. Just fumbling around in the dark generation after generation. No god, no meaning, no understanding of where we come from or where we go when we die. Just guessing and wars and egos and slavery and neglect and drug use to cope with the nightmare that is existence. Humans were given a crap deal, but we could have made better choices by now. It's a shame we haven't learned from our mistakes by now
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who couldn't hear the music." - Friedrich Nietzsche.
er........Nietzsche was insane ....?
Syphilis I think .? But if you want to base your Life on the ravings of a lunatic that's up to you ...
Pointless quote
A married man once asked me if it was selfish to stay single and childless, which I was. I replied by asking him if it was selfish to have children. He was surprised and asked how so. I said to him, "I WANT to have children" is about what you want. I wasn't trying to be rude, or clever, just wanted to throw a different perspective on what most people accept as normal behaviour....
Completely understandable imo
Funny how uncomfortable people get when they are confronted with non conforming point of view.
@@tysonion01 Exactly
Life is a gift. Would you prefer that you didn't exist instead? Just because he wanted children doesn't it make it 100% about him. It's about giving life to another person. Having a child and raising one right isn't easy at all. You'll have to make sacrifices if you want you want to raise a healthy, educated, and respectable child. No one has a child just for pure pleasure. They also do it out of love. Life is the best gift (almost) every person has ever received. Hell, the fact that you are alive is proof that you are glad that your parents decided to make love and have you. You can't take advantage of a system and denounce it at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of the comments are from people who are suicidal or just are going through tough times in their lives.
@@tobythong1072 What world are you living in? This world is tough! It's full of psychopaths.. You would need to be either a psychopath or lacking compassion to bring children into this current world.
It makes more sense to stack all of the old turtles and let the young ones escape. Once all the young ones are gone the old ones can die in the pit. Their sacrifice in turn would end the endless cycle of suffering.
But who will take care of the old people? I mean turtles.
@@abcdabcdoops they won’t have anyone to take care of them, they will be left to die. Their death would end the cycle.
In our current society the elderly have stacked the pit so everyone will die. And hence end all suffering for humankind.
@@ouimetco All suffering is created by someone making a choice to allow suffering in order to enrich themselves.
@@greevar Even cancer?
I didn’t ask to be born and now I have to live until I die
I think about this concept literally every single day of my life, the fact that I did not ask to be born and that I was born to two people who were definitely not meant to be parents. And now, because of their recklessness and poor decision making I must continue to live my meaningless life. This doesn’t sit well with me. Now, I can either suffer through life until I’m elderly and pass away or off myself which I also don’t feel like doing. I just feel very tired and that everything I am doing is pointless and unimportant and I wish I had just never been born because my birth was equally as pointless....... This ife is, meaningless.
Then make it worth living.
You nihilists are so boring.
@@alexs6950 ok.
You should go give your life to an extremist cause you believe in NOW 🌩🌩🌩🌩
Yawn, go do something to give your life value. Go volunteer , plant trees. Get off of UA-cam comments , waste of space.
This is a great story because it parallels in several ways to our own lives. For example, we are told from a young age that you need to go to school, get good grades, go to college, get a good job, make money, etc., but we never stop to think about "why?". In the story, the turtles continue on their routine, with the eldest teaching the youngest how to think and what to do, but only one questioned the system. Overall, I really like the message of the story, as it's great food for thought.
in my case, the people around me do question why, they just dont have enough privilige to do anything about and are stuck continuing this bullshit cycle
For me the answer is simple, I need money so I could live a comfortable life and have enough money to spend on video games and other stuff related to anime/manga/light novels etc, but to get more money, I need to get a good job, to get a good job, I "need" to go to college, to get to college, I need good grades and so on.
It's... it's a parable, so...
Speak.For.Yourself.
yeah its not that deep captain obvious
man this IS THE PERFECT analogy that explains how I feel about my parents working hard their entire lives just so they could be financialy stable at the end of it " leaving the pit " and it's why I don't wanna reproduce and bring kids to this existence just for them to go through this cycle
EXACTLY. Very well said. It's a constant, vicious cycle. If I didn't have my dogs, I would be miserable. Don't have kids....get a dog from your local animal shelter and you will find much reward and fulfillment. 🐶💖
I wish I got to decide what I want with my life, what I want to believe but everything was preplanned by parents (ok it's for my good but ..... Not reaching their expectations makes me feel like trash n guilty) help me :((
@@petek9226 dude where are you from (asking caude i am in a similiar position). pls do not fall into that trap. you wont have enjoyment neither will your future wife/husband or your kidds. you do not want to be in that relationship. i am a disgrace aswell but i dont care.beeing a 25 year old male and single is a disgrace. and the thought of neglecting the rules of nature and not to reproduce is discracefull. but i choose who i want to be and will be. i wish you much luck in your future and may everything turn the best for you.
Starting a family should only be for those who are mentally and financially capable. Children would live adequately, parents would live adequately.
@@OXhuls I don't even have the courage to rebel seeing how much effort was put to raise me.
Nothing much can be changed now, but I hope I get to live my life the way I want.
Rn I'm in depression with low motivation
Gotta wait out tho.
Thanks for your advice.
I wish you the best too. :))
He chose turtles over human to minimize the existential crisis effect
edit : Oh guys thank you for the massive lik- Oh wait It doesn't matter since we're actually the turtles...
*cries in existantial crisis*
I'm definitely guilty of doing that.
It's from the book Turtles All the Way Down by John Green.
It didn’t help
Schopenhauer used this example in world as will and representation
well it didn’t work
That´s why I love Buddhism. Every Buddhist´s ultimate goal is to escape the cycle of re-birth. Existence is the biggest punishment possible.
Yes, but I don't even believe in rebirth.
@@ananyaatri2898 and yeah we're diffrent,
i believe in reincarnation is just because i found that there is no effect if there is no cause, i wouldnt have born this way today if i dont do things yesterday, i wouldnt have a mango tree if i dont plant the seed back then.
Well this is just my thoughts on my religion ✌️
Diffrent is cool 👍
The true essence of Buddhism is not that existence is punishment, but that holding onto illusions will lead to desire which will lead to suffering. One doesn't overcome existence, one overcomes suffering. No Buddhist tenant is based on an actual existence of reincarnation, but that the concept of self is itself a ghost that we keep trying to make real, or incarnate. If one lets go of this concept of self, they see that life is indeed an enigma; not a punishment, not a gift, but a mystery. We keep trying to place a fixed description and a set aim for the self, not realizing that is a bad way to approach a mystery. Buddhism aims to reset the psyche to that of a child. A child has so many disadvantages and still must pull itself from the muck to becoming a functioning human being. A child is born with limited mobility and communication skills in a society built around communication and speed. Children are born to parents who at best will give their all to protect them and stand a good statistical chance of still failing, and at worst will abandon them to forces of the world. Yet still, even in cases of neglect, abuse and exposure to the harshest of lives environments, we still observe people who as the turtle put it, seem delusional and seem to fully appreciate the reward system of their society. However, this is a natural process of mathematics. A system could not arise from a context within which no one stood to perceive some advantage. In other words, value is a way to get from point A to B, but not a system for guaranteeing we will enjoy what we find at point B. In this way the enigmatic nature of life is less obstructive. If we value something, it doesn't mean we like it, love it, or it fulfills us in some way. Instead, to value something means we are going to spend resources on investigating a specific idea. Values when used without the illusions which are associated with ego attachment are completely different from the way we use it now. Without ego attachment, we can still value objects, people, ideas and all without becoming too attached or being too aloof. It doesn't happen overnight, but it is about valuing things in an honest way. Being honest with what you can do, and then by being honest about what you are doing. Taking time to put these things into perspective won't solve every problem, but will over time, encourage a way of thinking where value is defined through honesty with self, rather than using what we value redefining
Reducing human life to some sort of science experiment is not the aim of Buddhism, but there is a way in which we are encouraged to cultivate a more scientific approach to looking at the inner world. This is so that the outer world can be experienced in a more artistic way. If we reduce our outer world to equations and symbols we are doomed. As the emotional aspect of our world would be in control of how we respond to these preconceived "objective perspectives on nature". While many things in the world can be quantified, the beauty of the world is not found in counting the rain drops at they fall, but in simply listening to the music of the taps of water droplets. The scientific in this view point, enhances the artistic. To take a scientific approach to the mind means studying the mind, and in a systematic way. Work with a therapist, a guru, a psychiatrist, a mentor; anyone to help the mind overcome the numerous blocks it will inevitably have. The mind cannot be too different from the environment which it is simulating. Hence, our various psychological flaws are to be expected as hills and valleys which define our landscape. The world is not smooth, uniform, homogenous. The world is fraught with strange oddities, chaos and ridiculous extremes. So too the mind is a delicate package of all these things.
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@@laughinggooner4271 Thanks for the insight! I can only agree. But... I didn´t say a word about the "essence" of Buddhism, let alone that this "essence" is the punishment of existence. It´s a quick youtube comment, not an article on Buddhistic philosophy. You can easily decostruct every word of my comment, if we go into the depths of Buddhism, starting with the term "existence" itself and moving on to "birth", "escape" etc.
@@laughinggooner4271 nice. I agree 👍
Human extinction doesn’t sound so bad
Right! I wish I had Thanos’ glove with one snap to erase ALL the degenerates who commit crime, leech off the taxpayers teet, those who are corrupt with power, etc. and let those who work hard and are honest to continue living to push humanity forward.
We do need to drastically erase like 2/3 of our population and I’m ready to be one of those statistics if I don’t make up the rankings of being worthy to live.
Agreed.
"The mystery of human existence lies in not just staying alive, but in finding something to live for."
- Fyodor Dostoevsky
I stay alive to experience the beauty of this planet
@@gregbors8364 So technically one who experienced all the beauty in life and the world can choose to depart from this world, right?
@@NipeHero I can’t imagine ever experiencing all of the beauty which is available in life.
@@gregbors8364 but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so it’s a kind of illusion, so you live because you like the illusion of beauty. Wise choice.
@@andreyb4142 Why is that wise?
Imagine outside of the pit is even a bigger more of shit hole of a pit waiting.
yep, place called hell.
Funny
the pit is always deeper on the other side
sadge
"The soul is either mortal or immortal; if it's mortal, the pain has an end; if it's immortal, it awaits a better fate. Another possibility is hardly ever considered. *What if it would get worse?* " (Michel de Montaigne)
Optimism bias is (understandably) ingrained in every aspect of our thinking. The thought systems that are thriving are the ones selling the best utopias; neither most religions nor most political, economical or ideological systems in general even entertain the thought that it could get worse after the current state of things. It only gets better. But survival instinct / hope is a bad judge when it comes to truth. What even is the best outcome for the turtles in the allegory? That some escape the pit and populate the beyond with more turtles prone to suffering?
@@BN-ff3nw The turtles who escape the pit might discover easy access to plentiful food and water and a favourable climate or they might be suffering worse than they were in the pit - but it is always instinctive to try to improve your life and the lives of your children - whether you are successful or not is another thing entirely. Man has made many technological advances in the relatively short time we have been on this earth resulting in all kinds of fantastic labour saving devices and wonderful gadgets and means of transport etc for first world humans to enjoy - but ultimately theses technological advances have so far come at the cost of destroying the environment for future generations so maybe we are not as clever as we like to think we are. Maybe the children of today will learn to curse their forefathers for leaving such a mess behind.
Sometimes I just sit down and think about my resentment towards my parents for bringing me into this cruel world.
Do you think they realized what they were doing?
They probably just wanted to fuck only(as well as most parents in this world)
At some point everything ends, even if you were born gifted. Eventually you reach a point where your quality of life will continue to go down. Then it'll feel like being stuck in purgatory, waiting until you die. Really the lucky ones are those who die young and without knowing it
That's deep, very deep. But true
" Sleep was not sleep anymore,
It's an escape from this continues sadness of Life...
True. I wish sometimes I don't wake up
@@LadyOfTheEdits sometimes? I always wish
@@LadyOfTheEdits head up man you have a purpose you just have to keep looking
I remember when I was depressed I slept a lot because that was the only time I wasn't depressed, it was nice to have a break.
Nowadays I look forward to having a good nights rest, even if I have sleep paralysis occasionally. I tend to think so much when I am awake that it's nice to have a break from my own thoughts. I also look forward to any dreams I might have.
I guess what I am trying to say is, I no longer use it as an escape, thank you God.
@@LadyOfTheEdits me too bjt dreams are weirder in my realm so sometimes its good to take a break from it
I think the true horror behind this story is that in all likelihood, the outside world is just as awful as the pit.
Maybe even worse...
exactly my thoughts.
No predators in the pit…
Well, I have thought much on this. Unless imprisonment, we freely chose to come here? Then there would of had to have been reasons for that...such as IT WAS a better choice for us than to remain in the OverWorld. I would imagine that both the matrix AND the OverWorld coming from SOURCE which is NEUTRAL (balanced) that each creation (matrix 1 = OverWorld & Matrix 2 = this realm) is birthed from the same mindset. Also remember than having a matrix within a matrix is like watching a perfectly aligned mirror in another mirror...template for unlimited stories!
The outside world is just an even bigger pit.
Bringing a child into this world just doesn't make sense to me
When people said to me "you should be thankful to your mother, that the brought you to this world" I always answered:" how come, I never chose to be born so I owe my mother nothing"
Everyone were opposed by this statement, but it's only realistic thinking
Very true..
Or the ChristoFacist canard "The wold owes you nothing, go out and earn it!" My response would be is that one's pulse is not some rent payment that you owe the world for occupying the space marked 'conceived'. Obama created health insurance...Samuel Colt made them equal. Definitely swipe left on the Masada app for sure. IDDQD in the Heretic game. Control-L in Audacity on the EKG track...
It’s very inconsiderate of them saying that especially considering the fact that 100% of the time parents don’t have children for altruistic purposes… it’s all selfishness.
Even if they claim to have had children or plan to have children to give them the best lives that they can, that’s still selfish since by creating them you’re exposing them, vulnerable people, to so, so much suffering since this world is such a dangerous place… there’s pain, sadness, anger, guilt, frustration, fear, anxiety, phobias, trauma, thermal discomfort, urinary/ bowel distention (when those organs become full, and it is very unpleasant), depression, disease, disability, sickness, chances to be abused, chances to be assaulted, chances to be tortured, chances to be suicidal and upon attempting suicide landing themselves into a much much worse situation, etc etc etc… and at the end of it, death…
Why would anyone who intends to preform an act of selflessness ever consider exposing someone who never existed to be deprived of anything and who never wanted anything to all of THIS?
@@mrrrrpmrrrrpmrrraaaawwwwpreach💯💯👌
The solution is easy, keep killing off the older turtles and pile up the bodies, then when enough turtle corpses have been piled up all the surviving turtles would be free. The sins of the father must be paid by the father - Zeus
Pretty smart, not gonna lie
But doesn't tht mean the corpses would start to give foul smells disease and other problems ?
they would decay also
@Grover but it the younger generation who would have to deal with all of it .
@@renukayaduvanshi2735 freedom is better and that's not even that bad
"Those turtles are so cute! They have their own little pond"
"The turtle suffered because of their condition"
;-;
The turtles suffered because their mind, the turtles suffered because their egos.
Notice, an actual turtle would be happy in such conditions.
When I asked the turtle how it was so happy, it just stared at me and then walked off.
@@thegrandnil764 So you're able to tell it's happy because it walked off?
@@ericremy2746 Birds can only feel one emotion, and it is hubris.
Turtles can only feel one emotion, and it is contempt.
It's just how the world works.
@@Frikiman_H I think what you meant was "content" as "contempt" is somewhat synonymous to "hatred." I believe that the original comment meant that turtles are happy because they do not have human wants. Lastly, you are not a bird, how could you ever know that they can only feel hubris?
And this is the reason I’m remaining childfree, who would wanna be apart of this cesspit lmao
This explained exactly how the human race works. We are born without a choice, have to endure everything that is thrown at us, some of us are lucky enough to find the path early on, while the rest wait, bring more people into the world (be it with or without intention) and leave them to suffer like we did.
I too, started thinking this way around the onset of the pandemic and absolutely do not see the point in bringing more humans on the planet anymore. We only make matters worse (on an overall basis).
To battle with this existential crisis, the cowards invented God & religions. But unreligious people like me have to live until they get the courage to end their lives. Living only to die!
Until we can make a better existence for ourselves in this stupid flawed meaningless reality, we should stop having kids for a few years, shrink the population down a little and figure this shit out so children can have real lives not this 24 hour bullshit we call a life. But that's asking too much from a race that would choose complacency over progression.
Do, you think antinatalism is the way to solve all suffering? I think even if we follow antinatalism still suffering will exist and that's why if you think non-existeance is greatest salvation then i think you should make the world into nothingness so no one feel suffering in present and future 💀
We need to destroy the universe and make sure it never starts again.
@@farzad1021 ok smartass.
"Then you work the 8 hour job with almost a feeling of goodness, like you’re doing something, and you get married, like marriage is a victory and you have children like having children is a victory, but most things people do are a total grind, marriage, birth, children, it’s something they have to do because they have nothing else to do. There is no glory in it, no esteem, no fire, their lives are flat and the earth is full of them.”
― Charles Bukowski
Who is this person Charles bukowski?
I want to know more about his writings
Please help
@@DisjointedLivio if that's the point let me search
Imagine how much better life would be, just, in general, if we worked 4 hours instead of 8 hours
Better to live gracefully than to live pathetically
facts!
Funny thing, I say that all the time whenever someone mentions being depressed or I’m depressed.
“None of us, not a single person who ever lived ever chose to be here. That choice was made for us, we didn’t volunteer and say “hey I’d like to exist.”
It’s a little bit of comfort in knowing that we all share being existentially screwed.
But I also hate it when people give me a hard time FOR existing.
suffering is a tool you haven't yet learned how to use. so you carry it as a burden and not as a gift.
Only an idiot would see existence as being "existentially screwed".
@@lejspul7655 well put, where did you learn this? I'm curious.
@@hugon6717 I guess you could say i was wrestling with Hindu and Buddhist teachings that day. And existential crises like hoshimaru57 was having, being quite an adolescent trope, start to sound silly once you uncover real wisdom found in those teachings.
Don't be sure about it
You can't even remember the moment you were born
The memories we have are only from this world
A wise person once said “being born into this world is a curse not a blessing”
And a thoughtful person say "Being born is both a curse and a gift"
Yup
This story may seem odd, but maybe someone could benefit from what I have to say. Over the years I've come to escape stressful periods of my life by daydreaming. I've come up with characters, worlds, and scenes to play in my mind on repeat. It felt amazing to have such control and certainty over something, and it may sound silly, but my characters were almost like a second family who lived solely for me.
I daydreamed for years until I realized I had enough of an idea to plot out a book. So that's what I did. Nothing particularly groundbreaking or original, just stories I found entertaining. During times where I've felt worthless and/or hopelsss I've reminded myself
"You can't die, no one else could ever write your stories like you."
My characters wouldn't want me to die, and I wouldn't want to kill them with me. I want to see the day where readers come to love them just as much as I have. It may not help everyone, but finding just one reason to stay alive has gotten me through the darkest parts of my life.
That's wonderful
I do the same thing , interesting
Good to hear it. At least we can still think free more or less. I am an introvert and a fragile person. Sometimes I daydream I'm one of those Warhammer space marines lol cuz they are tough and fearless. Fear is an illusion caused by lack of firepower. If a monster came for you then stick a gun in it's mouth and blow it up. If a monster with 10 brains came for you then you stick 10 guns in it's mouth and blow it up. lol
Sometimes I daydream I am a pretty girl even though I'm male. And I would spend all time with those who accepted me, those who need love.
I know all these are childish and stupid as heck, but they are all simple, straightforward wishes and pleasure that few can enjoy.
By the way I have my own collection of music and soundtracks which make daydream much more immersive. Some ASMR would help too.
@@gabestepstone5762 damn i used to do that all the time as a child, feels good to relate.. but then you sorta lose your creative mind because you have to adapt to the harsh world outside.. not much space for lunatics unless you can make a living out of it
@@strapatrocious6005 True bro. Some can make the most of it, some just die in their souls. Peace is quite the last thing we can expect.
"To live is to suffer. To survive is to find meaning in the suffering." - somebody
Was a walrus
DMX
-Nietzsche*
Cogito ergo sum. (I think therefore I am/to be is to think) -Rene Descartes
To think is to be full of sorrow. - John Keats
-some idot philosophers
“He who has a why to live, can bear almost any how.”
- Friedrich Nietzsche
"I'm crazy, allow me to amaze thee, they say I'm ugly but it just don't phase me. I'm still gettin in the girls pants & I even got my own dance" - Humpty (pronounced with an Umpty)
@@paullayfield hey! Ain’t you the guy that once got busy in a Burger King Bathroom?
Gaming god
@@gracefitzgerald2227 I haven't but Humpty has, he's skinny but it doesn't stop him from gettin busy, he's a freak & he likes the girls with the boom
“I should be so lucky” - Kylie Minogue
As a child whose parents are fully dependent financially on me, this video hits me hard. Her financially-laden demands notwithstanding, my mother can't fathom why I refuse to get married and have kids. Despite all the sufferings and consequences she and my father brought upon me and my brother, she is still of the belief that "parents can never be wrong". Selfish and unaware parents are the worst.
I have sympathy for your situation. Hopefully you can find happy times in life.
Funny how nobody chose to exist but to stop existing is not a choice either, because everyone else will try to keep you in the pit for as long as they can.
Truth
Everyone has a right to end their own life if they want to, no one asked to be born
This is what it's like to be raised with your parent's generation ideologies, while discovering and forging our own.
Yep precisely
Very accurate.
I feel as if its similar to the mental traumas some parents passdown to their child. Knowingly unknowing the made their kids suffer through the same path like these turtles to compensate their own suffering.
ANTI-NATALISM!!
Yep, no wonder it's only getting severe day by day.
Well I never thought about it before your post but maybe my brother raped me after our dad sending him to juvenile hall just because he wanted me to feel like he felt because he was raped in there . Thanks because without knowing it you made me see something new . I did not think there was any more new . Thank You .
@@montacap I'm sorry that happened to you
@@jessicacole8404 Me to I now feel bad for the next ones to come.
I love my son so much that I will not bring him to existence.
Best parent ever, literally.
Brent? When are you going to have kids? Never? Don't you love children? Yes. I do. I love children. They are not slaves or trophy plaques or cannon fodder. The absence of death. What a beautiful choice.
One thing that has me pressed is that no one talks about the insufferable aspect of living. Everyone walks around smiling and fine as if they are experiencing something completely different than what I’m experiencing. Sometimes I make jokes about hoping this is all over soon and people laugh like I’m crazy. So it’s just me huh?
Normies don't think about that
It might break their world apart
Yeah, people universally never stop for a moment and think. Almost like they live life compulsively
No it’s not just you. They just bought into it all. Never think you’re the one that’s crazy. Society will want you to think that way. They’d rather try to prop up the idea that the world is normal and we need fixing when really it’s the other way around
@@DJAntonetti
There are way too many problems that are not even worth mentioning that need fixing, and all of them are a consequence of humanity existing. So, telling us that “we need fixing” is inconsiderate to the amount of problems that are in this world and to the fact that all they’re doing is dragging other vulnerable beings into this DANGEROUS world full of problems…
The only thing that meeds fixing is the issue of humanity existing, and the only way to do so is extinction, obviously.
But normies believe human extinction would be a “tragedy” but they’re missing a very important and basic point when it comes to determining whether or not something is a tragedy.
For something to be tragic, there has to be someone to mourn it but in the case of human extinction, anyone who could potentially mourn it won’t exist. The world is better off without humans anyways.
And honestly it’s incredibly offensive when I’m told that I need fixing, or therapy, because I’m the one who took some time to really think about the world a bit, while all they’re doing is believing and devoting themselves to anything positive that they hear like sheep, even if it’s all lies.
And this is way offtopic here but I think therapy is only a result of the greedy nature of the government, or whoever benefits from their walking wallet/ tax payers/ working machines. The benefactors from this shitshow just want to drain as much money as they can out of people… So in order to do that… create a system that tells people that they’re mentally sick and not normal if their beliefs even slightly deviate from what is considered as normal, and prescribe them heavy medication to blunt their emotions so they are fine with the prospect of working for possibly a lifetime.
And to pressure people into going to therapy… first brainwash others into believing their lives are great (when they’re not… the reasons are obvious), and then order them to spread their peaceful and naive platitudes about how wonderful life is and if you don’t think so then you’re unfit to decide for yourself and mentally ill… crazy. And since everyone thinks life is so great (or just ignores the problems), they throw even more vulnerable souls into this hellhole.
It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place.
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its similar with how poor famileis will emphasize that they love their kids more than supposed rich families. but they are okay with having kids that have to grow up in bad neighborhoods, go to underfunded schools and work shitty jobs just to make ends meet, with little chance of success in their life.
Gaming god
Oh God I hate human breeders, my parents included.
@@werwar27 that's what success means to some people. Good school, good pay, good family. But is that a happy life? It all depends on the individual and ultimately it's you who makes the choice.
@@jacobjacob4139 then stop living
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."
-Douglas Adams
God didn't ask for opinions.
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@@tysonion01 and nobody asked God for anything
@@tizib8784 what's with all the prayers then?
@@tysonion01 well, this doesn't change the fact. Let's assume god really is the creator of everything, still nobody asked him to create anything at all because there was no one in the first place. Nobody would've been bothered to continue not existing therefore no one asked God for anything.
I made it my life purpose to prove to my parents that they made a wrong decision to bring me here!
Keep them firing...10 days so far on the sign "This place has gone X amount of days without cough with an injury at work"
This is why i dont want to have kids as much as possible. I'm depressed and suicidal, sometimes thinks its better to not exist anymore.
The only selfless thing i can think of, is not creating kids when i don't even enjoy this life myself. Wouldn't want someone to experience pain, especially a kid of mine.
I know it’s hard but give them a life without any of the pain you have . Create something greater out of all that pain
@@JK.3 pain in life is inevitable
We're all that one particular turtle, questioning the suffering, together.
You got it
I think turtles r cool, whos with me?
then who is the majority?
@@pawa7714 "we" referring to those of us that are viewing Pursuit of Wonder's content... .-.
@@FriedFreya why would that imply that we are all on the same page?
Schopenhauer's expression is more concise: "After copulation, man hears the Devil's laughter."
Can u explain this quote?
@@dumplinglover8042 Arthur Schopenhauer was a philospher who believed that life itself was ultimately nothing more than pointless suffering and therefore advocated that the best course of action for human beings was not to reproduce themselves. Therfore in this context the quote "Directly after copulation the devil's laughter is heard" would mean that directly after a person's conception, (which follows soon after the male orgasm) the suffering begins for another human being in the form of a fertilised egg because, (according to Schopenhaur) life equates with pointless suffering. Therefore "The Devil", (who supposedly delights in the suffering of man) laughs because as one man reaches a futile and fleeting ecstasy of pleasure, (male orgasm) has also inadvertantly created another life of suffering in the form of another human being, (which causes "The Devil" to laugh because man's suffering is his pleasure). I assume Schopenhaur meant "The Devil" in his quote to be taken figuratively and not literally as I believe he was himself an atheist - therefore would not literally believe in the actual existence of "The Devil".
I guess ultimately only the individual can decide whether their individual suffering was worth their existence or whether given a choice they would have preferred not to have been born but for obvious reasons it is an entirely academic discussion but one that might inform the individual as to the wisdom of having their own children or whether to decide not to have any children.
I guess that this is the ulitimate paradox - in so much only the individual concerned can decide whether on balance they feel their life was worth the suffering but they themselves cannot chose not to be born however an individual might decide not to have children themselves based on their own subjective view of their life alone not on any informed knowledge of the life / lives of their potential offspring - which for obvious reasons is largely unknowable to the individual.
In this context this from the Bible is also relevant from Luke chapter 23 verses 26 to 31
The Crucifixion of Jesus
26 As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then
“‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”
and to the hills, “Cover us!”’[b]
31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
Here Jesus appears to be suggesting that suffering of man will increase in the future to such an extent that then women will regard the childless enviously as not having children means you never have to endure the agonies of watching your children suffer and be powerless to stop it. Many parents have endured this agony and are enduring this agony every day as a consequence of illness, war and poverty.
Therfore in conclusion whether or not you believe your life to be not worth the suffering or not and whether you decide it is better not to have children of your own or not the fact is we are here now whether we like it or not and therefore the best we can do is to try the make the most of our life, (during the relatively short time we are in existence here on earth) appreciate what we can and to treat both ourselves and others with the utmost compassion as whether you believe life to be ultimately pointless or not we are ALL, (by definition) both here living our individual lives right now and many of us are suffering. So let's try and alleviate suffering on all fronts and then maybe this will provide us with a reason to endure until such time as we inevitably die.
Maybe future generations will find ultimate freedom and happiness, (like the turtles in the video who escape the pit). Or maybe the freedom and illusion they crave is just an allusion and in fact the turtles outside the pit are still suffering but just in different unforseen ways. Who can know? One thing is for sure - in probably less than 30 years I will be dead, (I'm 55 years old now and my Dad died when he was 84) so all I am concerned with is today - be kind, do your best to live your life - what more can anyone do. Ahhh turtles schmurtles what do I care!? (PS I'm not Jewish and I don't have any kids)
Great comment Roy
@@tonbridgeroy Damn bruh, what an essay
Kudos to you Roy! 100x
"The World is a Prison. And choosing Immortality is hell."
I wish i never existed cause i was never happy in life and never will be.
Life is a test.. I recommend you try read the Quran translation... Yusuf Ali Quran English Translation
@@izoefendi7278 bro I don’t care what life is
@@walloptime6898 OOO.. ok'bro
@@izoefendi7278keep your beliefs to yourself I don’t wanna hear it.
" To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering " - Friedrich Nietzsche or I suppose also " He who has a why to live can bear almost any how " - Friedrich Nietzsche
gaming god
Also explored as Logotherapy in Victor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning”, but not from a Nihilistic perspective.
@@michaelfoxbrass Now that's a great book.
The unborn turtles never needed to get out of the pit because they were not in it in the first place.
Their parents forced them into the pit by imposing life on them and force them to solve this dilemma which they never needed in the first place.
Their parents were selfish assholes, not unlike human parents.
@@Parapon3ra ''quite exactly like human parents'' said the human slightly biased by the fact that he was born from selfish assholes
@@matheussanthiago9685 We are all born from selfish assholes, more or less by definition. Even kind parents casually condemn their children to a life of pointless suffering.
@@Parapon3ra not all life is suffering. You have moments of suffering and moments of serenity. It's not all negative in life.
@@danielxmiller but what's the point, i'd rather not be born in the first place, perhaps im that one turtle burning it's own mind
It’s wonderful seeing all these comments talking positively about antinatalism. Maybe people are straying to realize the ethical implications of forcing children into this world of suffering without their consent.
“Sleep is good, death is better; but of course, the best thing would to have been never born at all.” - Heinrich Heine
Im glad this video happened upon me as ive never seen so many people who share the same rough take on life as i do, and the video itself is a great representation of our social system and "accepted lifecycle", and its extremely flawed nature. It also sheds light on how i and many others within these comments seemingly see it and feel, i myself have had troubles in the past of life feeling pointless, a cycle of pain for a reward i have to spend near 16 years of my life to decide on and the rest of it to work towards said reward, all with the high chance i wont ever be given what i choose, but that is in the past and i can only hope anyone going through the same finds their take on life, and at least leaves happy. Optimistic nihilism is what ive adopted as my ideology, its simple yet seemingly flawless: just do what makes you happy, for nothing truly matters in the end. When i shared these thoughts to my friends they seemed more shocked than anything and so until now, i thought i was relatively alone with my take. Its nice, to see so many people that have "awakened" as i have. Whoever may find this in the sea of shared theories and ideologies, i can only give you my highest hopes you find what it is that calms you and allows you to take up your existence willingly and live it happily until you see fit. That is, if you havent already lol.
We don't even know what awaits when/if we get out of the pit, it's just another unknown whose image we build based on stories and hope...
but we are going to get out of this pit eventually then why wait and suffer.
an even larger pit
Pits all the way out
@@sonalsareen4492 Because the fear of the next pit is worse than this one..
@@Azzy5k the thing is jumping into another dark abyss is the only way out.
Aye yo grandpa turtle who’s leaving...
Would you mind just throwing down some rocks to build a more permanent ramp once your up?
Solved it
not their prob anymore
Humans don´t work like that, when someone its finally out, they rarely go back, memories are enough to reminds of to not go back. that is reality. Miserable people share their bed, but once you are out, you will be as far away as you can from misery, because at the end, you just used people to feel better on that pit.
Its like asking why USA and europe who have climbed out of poverty centuries ago don't help poor african countries.
@@greetingstoyou.1881 Except they do, but they're giving out the fish rather than teaching them how to fish. There's a level of corruption that's hard to combat without getting too involved, which by certain agreements, is not feasible.
It’s so comforting to find others who think the same…I often find the things that motivate me are insubstantial, like stories I wrote, characters I made, or other abstract ideas like love or hope. I don’t think I’d understand what it all means had I never existed. I guess that’s what living is all about. So one day, when I die and cease to be human, I at least had some idea of what humanity meant. Such as forging connections with other people or small animals, or even in obscure reaches of the internet
I dont know what's wrong with me, but already i have this thought since i was 7-8 years old. I never get abused as a child, instead my whole family loved me as the oldest grandchild in the family. This thought is not suitable with my religion's belief, but i can't help but to questioning and regreting my own existence, idk why
Me too
Since childhood I have felt like i am in deep dream.. someone is trying to awake me. But as soon as I wake up..i again go into deep dream
This is a great analogy to highlight the pessimist's position. Life is, as we currently know it, an endless cycle that we keep bringing our kin into over and over again. Stacking the burden of pain on their shoulders and moving on. Consciousness/self awareness is the greatest horror of all. We have evolved to be able to understand we are suffering. Yet, we do nothing about it and prefer to live in the delusion that everything is for a reason, and that it will all be ok. It won't.
Says who 🤨. I cant afford to think like that like u. I Have people that I love & that Love me depending on me. Ur blessed that U Can tell yourself nothing matters. Because for me everything matters
Gaming god
@@wiredgamez9929 Ikr. The comment section is full of psudo intelectual quotes and pessimistic doomer rhetortic. Most of the comments make it look like they are not against ''life'' or ''existance'' itself but pain, suffering,etc. That is a part of life that we dont like but there is so much more to it. Of course it isn't pleasant all the time but it's worth experiencing(at least for most people, you could argue some extreme situations but it's just not the case for most people who have the time to watch this video).
And if they deem life(in its entirety) not worth experiencing I'd like to hear why they still cling to it.
I've seen so many people who keep repeating ''life is meaningless etc'' and all of them are just unhappy with themselves and their lives. People need a mission. Watching netflix, clubing or watching videos with puddle deep metaphor wont fix their lives.
@@lewicy165 I agree My friend. its Become a trend to see Who can bitch about thier Suffering more A Look At me type thing & As You said if they really feel life is a Bad as they say why cling to it. It's Because in truth it feels Good. If feels good to Say the World is The problem & not me. And as You said were not making light of life's Suffering. some people are Truly F*cked and its not fair. BUT they Look at that as Conformation That the world is Useless and I Look at it As Now I have a Duty. The duty to keep going for the souls that could not be because in truth I'm them. When a HUMAN kills Anothern human being that reflects on My soul because that could've been me or u. So instead of Condemning being to hell I Accept it Instead of taking the easy way out & Saying nothing matters for some false sense of peace I say everything matters From the pain I feel for the Ones we lost to the happiness I feel for the wins we gain. I'LL deal with it all with my Head Held High and Well come out the another end a Better Human. GOD Speed ⚡
Contrarily i think a lack of suffering is why these issues come about. Man was made to solve problems. To combat the world and watch his labor bare fruit.
Now with nothing to rail against. Nothing to fight. Nothing to suffer for and enough bread and cake to hardly do more than go forth with the continuation of the species all we can think is that none of its worth it.
We have it too easy. Responsibility. Patience. Gratitude. Virtues are lost. This generation is hedonistic, frightened and lazy. Unprepared. Unmotivated.
And in our collective procrastination we reason negative sum philosophies. That life is not worth living and that the next generation should not live it.
I don't know why but everytime i get depressed or anxious i just watch these videos, i know it's ironic cuz it says things that'll normally make people depressed but hearing someone actually admit the truth to me is somehow just.. comforting.
exactlyyy, I'm not depressed but videos like this are really comforting
It’s because you realize you’re not alone. Everyone is fucked. We are all fucked together. So it makes it a bit easier
@@BANNEDFundedTrader crab mentality babyyyyy
Knowing someone else knows what you're going through is very comforting
It’s the same shit as sad people liking to listen to sad music- it’s not that weird
And yet we all choose to make each other suffer.
I swear, it's just sad...
Weird timing for this to come out. I just had an emotional and mental breakdown
It's getting worse
Omg i had one yesterday. Lol
Hugs
I have it every time
@@1999_reborn Thank you, thank you. Hugs to you too :D
"The longer you live... The more you realize that reality is just made of pain, suffering and emptiness..."
that's when you centred yourself and think that life will throw you happiness onto your face.
I can deal with most everything but when the body starts breaking down that's a bitch
@Ann Nonymous there's actually freedom. You have freedom at present to choose to do things.
@Ann Nonymous bruh that shit is made up by your own that which your brain pick up from something (like movies). The present is what most important because at that time you have the power to make choices (i.e freedom) and and that choices is what makes the future. Reality is strange, yes it is strange but to those who knows or accept that they have authority to control they own life by the choices they make, its less strange to them than those who couldn't accept those things. You are the kind of people who don't want to accept the consequences of the choices you made and always looking for someone/something to blame rather than blaming yourself for making those choices.
@Ann Nonymous the balme i am talking about is not literally bruh what i am trying to say you are trying to reason it out as if you were trying not to be guilty of the choice you made.
We try to find the truth behind everything
We try , try and then we all die
True man
I love coming to the comment section under these existential type videos. Everyone’s POV is strikingly interesting
“Come here son, I’ll tell you a uplifting animal story about turtles!”
Son-😳
His son soon grew up to be the next Nietzsche
Suffering
Gaming god
"The more unintelligent a man is, the less mysterious existence seems to him"
How do you know?,you really cant tell
Endlesssoul! Love brother
@@randomthings8376 ? pretty sure the quote he said makes that clear brother.
5:27
Why do we always strive to outsmart the other?
This video made me so happy. there are people who can actually think.
Brooo, you make my inner hidden self that actually love books comes out idk why... so far I loved this channel xD
"The greatest salvation is having not been born into this world"
or worse
lol maybe for depressed losers
Is this a quote from Attack On Titan Season 4??!
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 Best i can do is you're a 12 yr old kid.
@@cajs9964 Yes, you are, considering you're resorting to typing internet cliches with no value.
Society as a whole feels fundamentally flawed. We don't grow up being happy, we grow up seeking happiness. That happiness gets farther and farther away trying to find things we don't need and things that are pointless. We should find happiness what we have but the way society is structured we will never find it. Life is not a complicated existence we as a complicated species think it is, but more often than thought ia that many answers are often simple. So find your own simple happiness and enjoy it where ever you find it because society and therfore life is much too complicated as we only try to exist and live our own lives.
I was born a Slave of Society.
that's a you problem lol I'm very glad I'm living and have a happy life, don't just go saying EVERYONE lives unhappy just because you do
@@dandy5175 most people, its still a big problem
@@dandy5175 yeah exactly lol. We are having a good time. The fuck these guys are talking about. I would say it's somewhere in the middle. Happiness dominates more than sadness
Happiness its rooted in our biology as a survival mechanism to promote good behaviour, you weren´t designed to be happy. you were designed to search for happiness from the start. don´t blame society, blame life itself.
Nobody chose to exist and now we find ourselves in an imperfect world where bad things happen to good people
i like the little intentional or unintentional nod to Cioran with the line "Trouble of being born" considering he was kind of a contemporary of Schopenhauer, a known anti-natalist. Love the video
If we’re in a privileged position to provide for someone else, why not adopt instead of bringing more new kids to the world? I just think that the reason why humans can’t solve big problems like poverty, illnesses, or wars is because they’re too busy caring about themselves and their own kids. If you care about the big problems and want to bring change, you have to break the cycle, sacrifice your selfishness and care about the others. But, would it be worth it? Too much selflessness isn’t good either.
Fuck adoption. If they're not mine I don't care about them.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 I agree in a way that if you adopt, you tolerate other people to reproduce rather than producing your own.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 this behaviour is what the op comment was talking about
@@ENGCS_YukthaTD Other people are not my problem, and caring just as much about some random stupid kid as your own genetic offspring is supremely idiotic.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 This nigga is spitting the most fax in this comment session
The question is if there's a world beyond the walls.
Did Eren kill all titans?
Yes he did.
NO .. This answer has d most calming effect ..any doubt will further make ur life more miserable
There's always more walls.
@@FanOfMinatozakiSana Did Eren also kill all humans? Yes, he did
Gaming
There is a simple solution to end the cycle: every turtle that gets out promises to throw a small portion of material into the pit, which will pile up into a ramp which can then be used by ALL the turtles to get out.
That's a fabulous idea!
let the younger ones out and let them rebirth outside
take one for the team and stay in the pit
no pit birthrate
The pit is the world. The old turtles leaving the pit are those who die of old age.
The turtles are a metaphor, it's not a problem to be solved.
Realistically, Do you expect dead people to peek out from the heavens to throw down cyanide pills to finish the plan to end the cycle?
That was incredible! Thank you
"Man, I love being a turtle!: - Michaelangelo(TMNT 2 The Secret of the Ooze)
This should be pinned
@@yhgne545 the turtles are us lol
I wish I was a ninja turtle now 🐢 ☹️
Very specific
I love the discussions we’re having here, because of this story.
Absolutely
To think, we are all here because of someone else's selfish decision to force us to exist here. I have opted not to force anybody to exist here. I am not selfish enough to force someone to exist here. My progeny will remain nonexistent, no matter how badly I want a child of my own. I must think beyond my selfishness. I wish my parents would have done the same.
@@indridcold8433
i am happy to exist
despite the misery .
@@chongwillson972 I yearn to return to the great cosmic void of nothingness more every night. Unfortunately, despite fleeting moments of happiness, I wish I never existed.
@@indridcold8433 eh, i aint homesick of the cosmic void of nothingness.
thank god i left there....
I mean why would anyone choose to exist in a miserable reality
EXACTLY
Who knows
For the glory of mankind? All for that small chance to be first (and maybe last) race conquering stars..? All that despite the odds and cruelty of this reality.. Bcs. you know it feels so good to kick laws of space into its balls.
Also there is the point with helping others (to bear burden of existence) for sake of idea i named before. Helping them to be best version of themselves. For shit not to happen as frequently.
@@filipsimon549 we might be conquering one star but all were really doing is destroying it
From the beginning, the reason why we're trying to survive is just to fulfill our meaningless desires.
Yup
@@universalredguard bruh, what you're doin here
@lerros8008 idk, but I'll be leaving soon
@@universalredguard where you're going to?
@@universalredguard just remember bro, you can't just accept whatever someone said, i might be wrong
The way to end the endless circle: Let those younglings up.
Such a shame we're selfish by nature
Indeed. If one decides to force the unkown future onto them, one should atleast do it for them
That last turtle could just spread his ideas
What if they just use the dead turtle shells?
@@cartercooks1176 ow down, this is UA-cam. We don't allow critical thinking here.
I feel like parents have children for selfish reasons, never considering that maybe some people would choose not to be born if they could.
Estevão do game absolutely not. Personally I want no part in this whole mess, too much pain, too much suffering, I don't believe the struggle is worthwhile.
Railqun I feel you, I was fortunate to have atheist parents but the narcissism thing... in that regard I was less fortunate.
@Railqun bro same. and this is why I won't be having kids. I'll adopt one or two babies and raise them in a healthy way. I'm gonna break all generational curses.
You don't know if you want to be born or not until you're born and by that time it's too late. Unfortunately, there is no go back button and if there was then I would choose to go back to not existing. I would feel no joy but no pain either and I wouldn't miss joy because I wouldn't exist to know it but this in itself creates a paradox because if you could go back to not existing then because you wouldn't exist you wouldn't know if you wanted to exist or not until you were born so unless you could take your knowledge and experiences with you back to none existences then you couldn't make that decision and even to have that knowledge and those experiences you have to exist to have them but you can't have them unless you exist. Unfortunately we're all trapped in this vicious never ending cycle.
@@sajeelashajshaj5653 That will essentially solve nothing because those children will grow up to have children plus if everyone thought like you then there'd be no children for you to adopt so would this really solve anything? It would solve one problem with no children to come into the world to suffer but would make humans feel empty and dead inside because we wouldn't be able to fill our natural desire to have children to take care of. You could say it's selfish to bring kids into this world as messed up as it is now and days and they would have a miserable life if you did but then you'd have the misery and longing for yourself and that emptiness inside, unfortunately one person's happiness is another person's misery. This world is just screwed up that way.
" We end up solving problems created by us and were never there in the first place"
And this cycle goes on for generations..
Wonderful. This may also be my favorite spin on the "Turtles all the way down" phrasing
I'm pretty sure that turtle went by the name Schopenhauer...
So funny! The video recommended to me right before this was Schopenhauer - I've heard his name alluding to pessimism, but never knew anything about him. So yah. These turtles are all in prison
@@grainofsand4176 No shit It's recommended 😒to u. U Prolly watch shit like this all the time. This place a Breeding ground for fake deep People It's actually disturbing 🤢🤮
Gaming god
Hahaha
@@wiredgamez9929 have a miserable day too bro
and i never chose to suffer everyday from society's standards & expectations
Just get advices from society but never depend or choose your decision due to pressure of society and relatives
I can feel this on another level.
Ur comment, I commented
can relate
🙏🏾
The most crazy part about this story is; the turtles in the pit aren't quite sure what really lies out of it...
Congrats, this actually presents the foundations of antinatalism to people without immediately making them rip out their hair in existential despair and terror. Not an easy thing to do.
Exactly what I was thinking. This is very well done.
@Jase antinatalism is something terrible and I could see right through it.
Antinatalism is murder. It is justified murder. Straight from hell. Satanic endeavor. Life is precious. The individual in unable to assess for themselves how precious or terrible life is. It has only so much thinking capacity. (I've written another comment in this video explaining it further.
And who are you even to asses this value of life for your child???!!!
Healthy people want to live and meaning can be created. Where there is potential, there is obligation. So it's not up to you to say: my child's not going to have a meaningful life. It can have. And you are denying that life.
And I know: this argument can be flipped: "who are you to say: 'my child is going to have a good life' ".
But if we assume some individual really believes it is able to assess the worth of life (- it can't btw), then that individual does in fact have the possibility of killing themselves.
And furthermore: if we fully adopt and think through this belief that life is more bad than good and it's better to not have been born. Well I guess we'll be doing a good deed killing someone.
The whole concept of murder is based around the conclusion that life is good and to be protected. And you don't want a society in which there is no aversion to murder. Things don't work out. Chaos erupts and life gets worse. Good job! Especially if you are turned away be the despicableness of life.
Murderer. Murder Promoter. Stop this.
How to cleanse my brain: watch Pursuit of Wonder
Gaming god
God gaming
Me: * chilling in Void *
My parents: well, guess it's lucky day.
Lucky for someone, and bad for other
Maybe they had good intentions.... or maybe they were just acting on instinct/desire just like any other animal
Facts
Gaming god
The void was nice. Billions of years came before and yet.. it feels as though no time has past.
“Funny, the day you’re born is really your death sentence”
-Childish Gambino
Born to Die
The best thing anyone can do is not procreate more victims in to exsitence
I have rejected so many women who want to marry me because I don't have a children, do you think I'm kind?
I'm not having children and I'll depart when I've had all my fun. After that, there's nothing for me to do here anymore... it wasn't my choice to be born, but it gives me comfort that I'll go on my own terms. For anyone reading this, don't feel sad or sorry for me, I'm genuinely happy to have a choice.
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The only reason I don't end it all right now is because my sister would go insane.
"don't feel sad or sorry for me"
Don't worry, I don't.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 - I was not asking for your sympathy or anybody else's... I'm just preventing my notifications from exploding with people who would try to convince me not to do it.
@@dayangmarikit6860 Lol I think you want people to tell you not to do it.
"You can put literally anything in quotes, even if it does or doesn't contribute anything to the matter and people will still like it"
-someone probably
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I felt this story on a very deep level. I had a father who’s first marriage with kids fell through and felt like we were just his Replacement Goldfish that he felt entitled towards. Me and my siblings all expressed to each other at some point that he didn’t really care about what we cared about or what was important to us. I cut ties with him after it was clear that he couldn’t accept that I was trans and got more controlling after I moved out of county. He put what he wanted from us over what we wanted on important matters, among other things.
My mom decided to become a nurse, which is a job about taking care of other people. She decided to have not one, but several kids. For my childhood, I was raised on phrases like “I take care of people all day, I don’t have time to deal with you kids and your problems!” I remember at some points asking her why people even have kids. She’d always respond that it’s so parents will have someone to take care of them when they’re older. Now as an adult who’s cut off my father from my life, she’s shown some clingy behaviour. When she gives me something and I offer something in return, she tells me to “remember her when she’s old” - but will bring it up in a future argument. Me and my siblings try to get stuff on our own because she’ll hold it over our heads.
I’ve looked at the other comments. Whenever the topic of kids comes up, there’s always the whole Selfish vs. Selfless debate. I understand why that aspect comes up, but maybe we need to think also need to think about our idea of control. Humans have become master exploiters - we’ve know how to make things from nature and ration resources. We love being in control. However, this extends to our fellow humans. I wonder if having children under terrible conditions could be a form of human exploitation. We don’t appreciate our fellow humans.
Or maybe we just need to better recognize that having a kid means a long-term responsibility and not a means to an end, an expectation, or a quick fix. Some other comments say that kids are best had when you just want to share life. I agree with that fully, but I think we need to remember that there’s a LOTTA people who don’t see it that way. I think that humans in modern society don’t value life, or maybe we do, but we’re only starting to learn to.
I think we force too much expectations on each other and we forget to value each other.
I have more respect for someone who changes their gender when old enough to reason and who doesn't have children, then someone who stays with the opposite sex for life and has children because they want the a doll as a trophy or a slave that is the same color as they are. Children are human beings...not your farm equipment or a award plaque! Babies are cute and adorable...but eventually some of them grow into adults that kill other babies after they are born, and every last one, every color, rich or poor, king or peasant, celebrity or nobody...wile DIE...DIE...DIE of natural causes if enough time passes. Breeders have rose colored short sighted glasses on.
This deserves more attention. You literally made me realize so much about myself and now I’m sitting here with tears in my eyes. Absolutely brilliant work 👏
The choice of whether to place the burden of life on another being that has no say in the matter is enormous, do not make it lightly. And it is, indeed, a choice.
ITS not that deep. & Hey if You ever feel it's To Much U always have the option to Leave 🤗
Yeah burden placing is good, more shrimpies.
@@wiredgamez9929 if you mean leave by dying then you’re just passing pain onto others
@@mitcheltillman2461 its part of life, the other rests and the other grief
It's the parents job to heal their issues so offspring are better.
Words to live by.
It was either that or go extinct
Like in palestine they teach the kids to hate the jews, the whites, the africans, the asians basically everyone thats not a muslim
@@tuckerctwitter allahu akbar 💣🔥
This should be emblazoned across the sky for all to see.
thank you for the short stories
Sadness is correlated with maturity. Therefore the older you get the more you realize your life is useless, and nothing matters. A speck is dust among the stars.
"No one chose to exist."
No one: "Quit putting words in my mouth."
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