Only liars would say they are "as transparent as we know how to be." You don't have to know how to be honest. It's lying that takes skill and extra calculation.
It's telling that in the statement by Oaks listing the essentials for which "everything else may be sacrificed" (at 1:07 ), the first thing that Oaks lists is "authority". That's what it's really all about. It's an authority cult. Men like Oaks are the authorities and their authority (i.e. their right to boss everyone else around) is priority number one. Everything else (and possibly everyone else) MAY BE SACRIFICED in order to maintain that authority.
The fact that JS made up all the stuff about receiving the priesthood from John the Baptist and Peter, James and John renders the "authority" piece irrelevant. The church has no authority.
You forget that he also received priesthood keys from Elijah, Noah, Moses, and Adam. The fullness restored. All those keys will be returned to the savior when he returns.
When did he demand a widow’s last dime? Or build hundreds of marble and gold mansions? Or use “sacred tithes” to build profitable businesses? Frankly the opulence and size of temples makes me ache all over. Yeah but, they say, it’s the HOUSE OF THE LORD. Yeah. That’s my point. He’d run through your celestial rooms and turn the tables over and throw your greedy asses out of there.
You have no idea or zero knowledge of the everlasting gospel. You should really go to the source and really learn from the Saints what they believe and why they are a covenant making people and not just a say " I believe" religion.@@DancingQueenie
@@Homepageturned One more thing. You have no idea that I was born in the “covenant”, baptized at 8, four years early morning seminary, 4 years BYU, temple at least once a week for YEARS. Maybe I do know a thing or two about it. 🤷♀️ And other people who tune into these broadcasts have similar backgrounds.
It just dawned on me that the electro shock therapy treatments were hypocritical (not to mention just barbaric) in the sense that the church rages against pornography and yet used it during these trials.
Mormon Enigma authors are: Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippits Avery. valeen died over 20 years ago and was a close friend of mine. She was a historian in Flagstaff, AZ. I was involved in the initial research of this book and met with Leonard Arrington to get permission to research in the church archives. I could take written notes; but was not allowed to make photo copies of anything! This was also at the time when the RLDS and LDS churches shared documents. The three of us were all present at the first conference of both churches. Juanita Brooks warned us at the time that the church would give us a bad time. Val was still very active and trusted the church. I was already half way out and it didn’t take long for me to leave. Val did lose her testimony and her marriage before she died. I am not in touch with Linda any more…. The church does NOT want the truth out there..
All of this seems pretty small potatoes compared to the Mark Hoffman affair and Oaks' role in suppressing any revelation of the absence of the spirit of discernment in decisions made by Church leaders, including Hinckley, during that debacle.
Around that time did Oaks not try to justify the Salamander’s appearance as told in the Salamander Letter (forgery) by Hoffman as cover for belief in magic?
It's not a lie if you are afraid of the police. I was arrested because a Mormon woman lied to the police. I told the truth. The bishop and police believed the lie. I whipped them in court pro se, but it was aggravating that the bishop (a good man) had no powers of discernment as I had been taught since I was old enough to start understanding. I asked the woman why she lied to the police when I finally got her to finally tell the truth and her only excuse was that she was afraid if she told the truth she would be in trouble with the police. She was ignorant of the law and didn't realize the truth wouldn't have hurt her, but the lie hurt me. I successfully defended myself in court, but it was aggravating that I had to defend against a lie.
It's disgusting that you had to defend against a lie by a member and the bishop who fell for her lie. I would hope that if that bishop had any integrity at all he would apologize once he found out he helped perpetrated a lie..in court!! Furthermore these types of events expose the church leaders to be fraudulent given they do not have the power of discernment. Yet from the beginning of Mormonism have laid claim to being ever so in tune with God and discernment. These leaders are full of shit.
In 1971 I was attending BYU as a psychology major. Dallin Oaks was the President of the University. During my abnormal psychology class my professor explain that he would go out with gay patients and have them identify members of the same sex and asked them to indicate whether they we attracted to them. If these gay patients indicated that they were in fact attracted to an identified same sex individual my professor would administer a remote controlled shock. After doing this for a period of time my professor would initiate pointing out members of the same sex and then ask the patient if they were attracted to this same sexed individual. Allegedly after doing this for awhile the gay patients would turn to my professor and say, "Your getting pretty good at this"!
Oaks likes to defends his position as the church will never seek an apology or give one since the word is not in the scriptures. He obviously discounts the command to Forgive and seek forgiveness, which in fact would require an apology and seeking an apology. Poor reasoning on the motherships part.
And Elder Oaks is to be the next Prophet! I guess he'd be following in Joe Smiths footsteps. 😂. And to think I used to believe that these guys walked and talked with Jesus. Makes me sick now how many years of my life I allowed them to have so much power over every decision I ever made. I'm gay, but had to pretend to be straight, which hurt me and those that I loved (including my sweet wife of 27 years). If only I had been allowed to listen to my own inner voice..... and on a side note, I was at BYU when he was president in 1976-78. I went to ask the fireside's he spoke at. Always felt the hatred towards gay men....
@@gcarson19Well, they cannot change the system anyway. I am looking forward to the shrivel when Oaks becomes president, and my prediction is that the church will implode once Bednar becomes prophet. 😂
I think there is going to be a mass exodus of progressive Mormons after Oaks becomes prophet. He is such a cruel tyrant and I believe many will see right through him. On the other hand, it’s going to be so sad when he heaps guilt and shame on the TBM’s that stay. They will believe that they have to put up with his spiritual abuses.
What really got to me was the young girl in the audience who was smiling adorably as Ballard spoke. I think she was even taking notes. It angers me to know how much they deceive young people.
Oaks co wrote a textbook used throughout the country’s law school on Wills and Estates. He literally wrote the book on Estate Planning. Sure, I really believe he didn’t understand everything they were doing.
Brian Your Not Alone When Did The Mormon Church ,Ever Read The Bible They Don’t !! and Who Told Them it’s Not Trustworthy Joesph Smith Or Brigham Young , The KJV Bible Was Taken From The Dead Sea 🌊 Scrolls and Jesus Christ and Prophets were Preaching His Teachings Around 33-36 AD , So Let’s Put A Date When Jesus Christ Made His Second Coming Back To Earth ( America) To Finish Preaching His Gospel Because , The Mormons Claim Jesus Christ Came Back To Earth So. put A (Date and Place In America ) Brain There Never Was Any Place In America Where Jesus Christ Made His Second Come That Never Happened and The Entire World Is Still Waiting For His Second Coming 👍🙏
"We're leaving it up to that leader to act in the Savior's behalf." Official Church Spokesperson. I'm not even Christian and I'm still sickened by that line.
MORMONISM AFTER DARK reoccurring segment: “Morality 101 from George Costanza or Dallin Oaks” lucky callers get to determine who said what… Seriously guys, it would be SO fun! You could craft it like the quiz; obscure Lord of the Rings character name or SSRI drug. I’ll be tuning in to see if this happens. Callers could test their knowledge against the morality leasons from the above mentioned.
Van Morrison said it all in WONDERFUL REMARK. How can we listen to you When we know your talk is cheap? How can we ever question Why we give more and you keep? How can your empty laughter Fill a room like ours with joy? When you're only playing with us Like a child does with a toy?
Lest we forget, prior to becoming a general authority, Ballard was a used-car salesman and new Edsel salesman. He was also involved in various real estate and other investment schemes, including, just prior to becoming a general authority, the Valley Music Hall business. That business went bankrupt, leaving many creditors in a bad way......UNTIL the Church paid them off by purchasing the (by then fire damaged and defunct) music hall at a nice price that made it possible to pay everyone off and make them happy. My guess is that "just trust me/us" is an expression Ballard used many thousands of times. There are probably a lot of bankrupt businesses owned by "Latter-day Saints" who wish the church would buy their nearly worthless assets at a price that would cancel out all their debts.
Technically, "evil speaking" of a person who is deceiving would be to support his deception. Not "evil speaking" would be to expose it. Kind of a deep retro dive into the non-sense... Yet, true.
So, the local Stake President has discretion over the date and time of a disciplinary council, but DOES NOT have discretion to suggest a new date if the person being called in cannot make that first date? That makes no sense whatsoever!
Right. Didn't Satan get reign over Earth? Up to us to use free agency to resist. Hey! Didn't Bad News Bednar just say no such thing as free agency?...????.???..😮😮😮😮😮
Even though my shelf is solid, as me wee Noggin, ;-) I absolutely thoroughly enjoy both your in-depth information and your great personalities. I look forward to every episode 👍👍🤗
BTW- congratulations RFM on 8 years!! I wish I was awake for 8!! I’ve only been awake for 3. It’s coming along though!! Thanks for all your hard work!!
As to the question (I believe by Doug Fabrizio), "Why doesn't the church leadership get involved in local excommunications?" If they were open and honest about it, it would be better if the decisions came from a unified body. As it is, there's a leadership roulette aspect to it and what would get you excommunicated for in one ward wouldn't even get you into a court of love in another ward. (I know that's only one effect of leadership roulette, but that's the one that is at issue here.)
RFM is being baptized and a community wants Quacu to perform the baptism. We need Bill, John Larsen & BYP there to ensure Quacu doesn't hold RFM under too long.
I would say “validly anti-Mormon” ex-mo podcasters DO see their responsibility as presenting both sides despite what Mr H.Oaks says. Not always, but certainly far more often than the church, you guys and others present both sides of an argument. The church only refers to them in vague terms followed by fallacious reasoning on why we shouldn’t pay attention.
If the SCMC exists then they do gather info and one would traditionally conclude that the information is shared where and when it is needed. It is unreasonable to conclude otherwise.
By watching and seeing the hate and many lies here. I can see why the Lord says" Straight is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to eternal life, and FEW be there that find it"
I was reading the actual talk and elder oaks does not say it's okay to lie for a good cause, he actually is using it as an example of something that is not okay. He then quotes Hugh nibley talking about that it is a sin. Furthermore he says that we should not use previous leaders and members lying about things as justification for us to do so.
Regarding my previous comment, I could've, would've, should've Said that they are in reference to your comments about the church spokesperson interview. Not necessarily other commentary U2 have proposed.
RFM is you weren't in the crosshairs before, you certainly are now. Have you already resigned, or are you waiting for your summons? Remember Bill was taken down because of his direct assault on Holland. I enjoyed the episode but you have to realize that you are way over the line with this one (from the POV of the church leaders I mean). Or, are you sequestered somewhere where it will take the church leaders awhile to find and serve the summons to you?
1:26:28 I don’t think most people expect balance, as far as telling both sides goes. What I do expect is to be given all material facts with as much objectivity as possible. Reasonable minds may disagree from that point.
I really wish all podcasters who are exposing dishonesty would stop using tytles like elder of bishop or stake president. Then I could share these videos with people without being accused bring up religious stuff. Because it's not religion; Im not bringing up or talking about ones God or higher power. I want to bring awareness to ethical, moral, and credibility problems
That's right. The information is finally slowly being exposed. They team up with the R C C, too. Survivors are coming forth with their accounts of horrific abuse. M onson even did a sacrifice on the night prior to his speaking the next day in GC. Oaks is a pedo, and runs the Chicago M afia with his buddy M itt R om ney, running coke through the bishops' storehouses. Had to split the words to trick the AI.
Only liars would say they are "as transparent as we know how to be." You don't have to know how to be honest. It's lying that takes skill and extra calculation.
It's telling that in the statement by Oaks listing the essentials for which "everything else may be sacrificed" (at 1:07 ), the first thing that Oaks lists is "authority". That's what it's really all about. It's an authority cult. Men like Oaks are the authorities and their authority (i.e. their right to boss everyone else around) is priority number one. Everything else (and possibly everyone else) MAY BE SACRIFICED in order to maintain that authority.
Self appointed narcissistic mere mortals; those are the true enemies of God.
The fact that JS made up all the stuff about receiving the priesthood from John the Baptist and Peter, James and John renders the "authority" piece irrelevant. The church has no authority.
You forget that he also received priesthood keys from Elijah, Noah, Moses, and Adam.
The fullness restored.
All those keys will be returned to the savior when he returns.
They act on the savours behalf? When did the savour excommunicate anyone?
When did he demand a widow’s last dime? Or build hundreds of marble and gold mansions? Or use “sacred tithes” to build profitable businesses? Frankly the opulence and size of temples makes me ache all over. Yeah but, they say, it’s the HOUSE OF THE LORD. Yeah. That’s my point. He’d run through your celestial rooms and turn the tables over and throw your greedy asses out of there.
You have no idea or zero knowledge of the everlasting gospel. You should really go to the source and really learn from the Saints what they believe and why they are a covenant making people and not just a say " I believe" religion.@@DancingQueenie
@@Homepageturned Oh. I see my comment hit a nerve which makes you feel defensive. That’s ok. You do you and be happy.
@@Homepageturned One more thing. You have no idea that I was born in the “covenant”, baptized at 8, four years early morning seminary, 4 years BYU, temple at least once a week for YEARS. Maybe I do know a thing or two about it. 🤷♀️ And other people who tune into these broadcasts have similar backgrounds.
The phrase "acting on the savior's behalf" breaks my brain. An all powerful God does not need assistance from bureaucrats
My BYU Electric Shock SHOCKED ME TO UNDERSTAND MORMONISM NOTHING LESS THAN A SHOCKING CULT.
It just dawned on me that the electro shock therapy treatments were hypocritical (not to mention just barbaric) in the sense that the church rages against pornography and yet used it during these trials.
Mormon Enigma authors are: Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippits Avery. valeen died over 20 years ago and was a close friend of mine. She was a historian in Flagstaff, AZ. I was involved in the initial research of this book and met with Leonard Arrington to get permission to research in the church archives. I could take written notes; but was not allowed to make photo copies of anything! This was also at the time when the RLDS and LDS churches shared documents. The three of us were all present at the first conference of both churches. Juanita Brooks warned us at the time that the church would give us a bad time. Val was still very active and trusted the church. I was already half way out and it didn’t take long for me to leave. Val did lose her testimony and her marriage before she died. I am not in touch with Linda any more…. The church does NOT want the truth out there..
All of this seems pretty small potatoes compared to the Mark Hoffman affair and Oaks' role in suppressing any revelation of the absence of the spirit of discernment in decisions made by Church leaders, including Hinckley, during that debacle.
Around that time did Oaks not try to justify the Salamander’s appearance as told in the Salamander Letter (forgery) by Hoffman as cover for belief in magic?
Never trust anyone who says, "Trust me."
I so agree
Am 76. When folks go trust me...I go sure😂😂😂😂😂
Never
never
never
nope!
when i hear the old RFM intro tune it takes me right back to the good old days when the shelf cracked
Right?!
Me too
It takes me back to my days in the Coast Guard...
It's not a lie if you are afraid of the police. I was arrested because a Mormon woman lied to the police. I told the truth. The bishop and police believed the lie. I whipped them in court pro se, but it was aggravating that the bishop (a good man) had no powers of discernment as I had been taught since I was old enough to start understanding. I asked the woman why she lied to the police when I finally got her to finally tell the truth and her only excuse was that she was afraid if she told the truth she would be in trouble with the police. She was ignorant of the law and didn't realize the truth wouldn't have hurt her, but the lie hurt me.
I successfully defended myself in court, but it was aggravating that I had to defend against a lie.
I am sorry. Hope your journey is smoother.
It's disgusting that you had to defend against a lie by a member and the bishop who fell for her lie. I would hope that if that bishop had any integrity at all he would apologize once he found out he helped perpetrated a lie..in court!!
Furthermore these types of events expose the church leaders to be fraudulent given they do not have the power of discernment. Yet from the beginning of Mormonism have laid claim to being ever so in tune with God and discernment. These leaders are full of shit.
Anyone who says trust us or trust me is definitely not to be trusted or believed.
In 1971 I was attending BYU as a psychology major. Dallin Oaks was the President of the University. During my abnormal psychology class my professor explain that he would go out with gay patients and have them identify members of the same sex and asked them to indicate whether they we attracted to them. If these gay patients indicated that they were in fact attracted to an identified same sex individual my professor would administer a remote controlled shock. After doing this for a period of time my professor would initiate pointing out members of the same sex and then ask the patient if they were attracted to this same sexed individual. Allegedly after doing this for awhile the gay patients would turn to my professor and say, "Your getting pretty good at this"!
I was living there at the same time, with now Ex and a brand new baby.
Oaks likes to defends his position as the church will never seek an apology or give one since the word is not in the scriptures. He obviously discounts the command to
Forgive and seek forgiveness, which in fact would require an apology and seeking an apology. Poor reasoning on the motherships part.
And Elder Oaks is to be the next Prophet! I guess he'd be following in Joe Smiths footsteps. 😂. And to think I used to believe that these guys walked and talked with Jesus. Makes me sick now how many years of my life I allowed them to have so much power over every decision I ever made. I'm gay, but had to pretend to be straight, which hurt me and those that I loved (including my sweet wife of 27 years). If only I had been allowed to listen to my own inner voice..... and on a side note, I was at BYU when he was president in 1976-78. I went to ask the fireside's he spoke at. Always felt the hatred towards gay men....
I don't see the Church being that obtuse. They HAVE to know that DHO as prophet would be a disaster...
@@gcarson19Well, they cannot change the system anyway. I am looking forward to the shrivel when Oaks becomes president, and my prediction is that the church will implode once Bednar becomes prophet. 😂
I was also there then. I vowed when the church acts like BYU, I am out.
I think there is going to be a mass exodus of progressive Mormons after Oaks becomes prophet. He is such a cruel tyrant and I believe many will see right through him. On the other hand, it’s going to be so sad when he heaps guilt and shame on the TBM’s that stay. They will believe that they have to put up with his spiritual abuses.
CONGRATS ON 8!! Love you guys! You've made a huge difference in my journey of deconstruction and reconstruction into a happier me.
Ballard sounding like everyone’s grandfather while lying is really scary. Great show, guys!
What really got to me was the young girl in the audience who was smiling adorably as Ballard spoke. I think she was even taking notes. It angers me to know how much they deceive young people.
You, stk pres. , can do what you want…but you will be removed if you don’t do what we want.
Oaks co wrote a textbook used throughout the country’s law school on Wills and Estates. He literally wrote the book on Estate Planning. Sure, I really believe he didn’t understand everything they were doing.
I stepped away from Mormonism in late NOV 2015 due to new doctrinal changes so you began your RFM career at a much needed time in my life.
Brian Your Not Alone When Did The Mormon Church ,Ever Read The Bible They Don’t !! and Who Told Them it’s Not Trustworthy Joesph Smith Or Brigham Young , The KJV Bible Was Taken From The Dead Sea 🌊 Scrolls and Jesus Christ and Prophets were Preaching His Teachings Around 33-36 AD , So Let’s Put A Date When Jesus Christ Made His Second Coming Back To Earth ( America) To Finish Preaching His Gospel Because , The Mormons Claim Jesus Christ Came Back To Earth So. put A (Date and Place In America ) Brain There Never Was Any Place In America Where Jesus Christ Made His Second Come That Never Happened and The Entire World Is Still Waiting For His Second Coming 👍🙏
What changes?
Obfuscation does not equal honesty.
Rebecca Bibliotecca likened Oak’s smug smirks to The Grinch. He looks just like him, doesn’t he????
Damn I'm sorry I missed this one!
I missed it too, but glad I caught it a few hours later.
When will this cult finally lose their tax exempt status - please! Audit Audit Audit
Congrats on the milestone!
You guys should start emailing out every video that gets a copyright strike so we all have a copy for our records.
"We're leaving it up to that leader to act in the Savior's behalf." Official Church Spokesperson. I'm not even Christian and I'm still sickened by that line.
MORMONISM AFTER DARK reoccurring segment: “Morality 101 from George Costanza or Dallin Oaks” lucky callers get to determine who said what…
Seriously guys, it would be SO fun! You could craft it like the quiz; obscure Lord of the Rings character name or SSRI drug.
I’ll be tuning in to see if this happens.
Callers could test their knowledge against the morality leasons from the above mentioned.
Thanks!
Van Morrison said it all in WONDERFUL REMARK.
How can we listen to you
When we know your talk is cheap?
How can we ever question
Why we give more and you keep?
How can your empty laughter
Fill a room like ours with joy?
When you're only playing with us
Like a child does with a toy?
"YOU can have a personal relationship with God your father and Jesus Christ your savior....as long as you do what we tell you...TRUST US" 😂
Multiply that x a billion
Mr RFM FOR PRESIDENT!!! The world would be a better place!!
My favorite line from the Ballard clip is "Just trust us"). Iconic!
Lest we forget, prior to becoming a general authority, Ballard was a used-car salesman and new Edsel salesman. He was also involved in various real estate and other investment schemes, including, just prior to becoming a general authority, the Valley Music Hall business. That business went bankrupt, leaving many creditors in a bad way......UNTIL the Church paid them off by purchasing the (by then fire damaged and defunct) music hall at a nice price that made it possible to pay everyone off and make them happy. My guess is that "just trust me/us" is an expression Ballard used many thousands of times. There are probably a lot of bankrupt businesses owned by "Latter-day Saints" who wish the church would buy their nearly worthless assets at a price that would cancel out all their debts.
Keep your friends close, and your liabilities closer...
Technically, "evil speaking" of a person who is deceiving would be to support his deception. Not "evil speaking" would be to expose it. Kind of a deep retro dive into the non-sense... Yet, true.
Good point
Can't make sense out of nonsense.
I like the fact that both Bill and RFM are former lds apologists...😮😮😮
Anyone who says, "Just trust us/me" can't be trusted.
Ya, RFM is a def wicked Rock Stah
The fact that the majority of people they have excommunicated was for telling the truth should tell you they have no trouble lying.
It's not lying if yer wearing a diaper underneath your Latter Day Saint garments.
That's so funny. I always think of them sitting up there at GC in Adult diapers😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think Allie Isom went to the same spokesperson class as KJP in Washington DC.
Allie Isom is an ijit
You ARE a rock star RFM! From your fan in Texas.
It's not lying if it comes from the Lord's one true church.
Happy 8th. Many many more.
So a permanent commandment is the doctrine of Christ….does that mean temporary commandments are the doctrine of men?
So, the local Stake President has discretion over the date and time of a disciplinary council, but DOES NOT have discretion to suggest a new date if the person being called in cannot make that first date? That makes no sense whatsoever!
Congrats RFM!
Maybe oaks has the second anointing
Methinks he has a tail....
Definitely has the SA...
❤ u 2 Bill!
Loved the early days of my deconstruction when I found RFM’s early episodes. Fantastic
Like your comment, LOVE your name
RFM's face at 1:55 when the joke goes over the caller's head. 😂😂😂
These are powerful figures in both the secular and religious world. Just goes to show you can't rise to the top by being honest.
Right. Didn't Satan get reign over Earth? Up to us to use free agency to resist. Hey! Didn't Bad News Bednar just say no such thing as free agency?...????.???..😮😮😮😮😮
I recall at the conclusion of the interview Isom addressed Kate Kelly like a mom lecturing a ten-year-old.
Commenting to help.
Even though my shelf is solid, as me wee Noggin, ;-) I absolutely thoroughly enjoy both your in-depth information and your great personalities. I look forward to every episode 👍👍🤗
That baffles me Butzwiggle
I agree the content is safe for everyone.
Thanks for the video.
17K views one week later. 👏
“ Will no one read me of this turbulence priest?”
1:45:00 "Liars, Cheaters, & Exaggeraters"
1:47:00 "Profit Seekers & Regulators"
Apostates stand and protect children. Apostles sit and protect predators.
Church of Ziontology
Did anyone notice the 666 in the phone number ( and that it's what you get when you dial MORMON)??? Sounds like a secret combination;)
Also, Monday abbreviation is Mon aka 666.
BTW- congratulations RFM on 8 years!! I wish I was awake for 8!! I’ve only been awake for 3. It’s coming along though!! Thanks for all your hard work!!
Can we also point out that oaks' B.S. is ACCOUNTING! He knew better!
The next prophet.
Many members might leave when he takes over.
@@carolyearsley I agree.
As to the question (I believe by Doug Fabrizio), "Why doesn't the church leadership get involved in local excommunications?" If they were open and honest about it, it would be better if the decisions came from a unified body. As it is, there's a leadership roulette aspect to it and what would get you excommunicated for in one ward wouldn't even get you into a court of love in another ward. (I know that's only one effect of leadership roulette, but that's the one that is at issue here.)
their works (actions) speak louder than words. This is very “telling”; to wit, revealing. These are mean people, in every sense of “mean.”
One needs to lie well to stay involved in the church.
It's not lying if it helps keep a few LDS members in the boat.
RFM is being baptized and a community wants Quacu to perform the baptism. We need Bill, John Larsen & BYP there to ensure Quacu doesn't hold RFM under too long.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska. 🤔
Never Mormon here! This is one your best discussions, so interesting & informative.
I would say “validly anti-Mormon” ex-mo podcasters DO see their responsibility as presenting both sides despite what Mr H.Oaks says. Not always, but certainly far more often than the church, you guys and others present both sides of an argument. The church only refers to them in vague terms followed by fallacious reasoning on why we shouldn’t pay attention.
If the SCMC exists then they do gather info and one would traditionally conclude that the information is shared where and when it is needed.
It is unreasonable to conclude otherwise.
Regardless, EST was done at BYU which is completely under the detection of 15 Apostles and Prophets.
I cannot be set aside.
Not a theologian among the Church's leadership 😂😂😂
Robert Duvall's character's name in the Godfather was Tom Hagen
Thanx u 2. Show was diamond!!!!
By watching and seeing the hate and many lies here. I can see why the Lord says" Straight is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to eternal life, and FEW be there that find it"
No way that Oaks of all people is going to let this criticism go by unpunished. Maybe you are inviting the scrutiny?
Egging them on perhaps like Nemo did?
Oaks is a hypocritical imposter
Maybe welcoming more floodlight?.good work
I love this channel so much thank you
I was reading the actual talk and elder oaks does not say it's okay to lie for a good cause, he actually is using it as an example of something that is not okay. He then quotes Hugh nibley talking about that it is a sin. Furthermore he says that we should not use previous leaders and members lying about things as justification for us to do so.
Maybe there was somewhere else in the talk that I didn't get to, so please do share
👍🤔👍
Regarding my previous comment, I could've, would've, should've Said that they are in reference to your comments about the church spokesperson interview. Not necessarily other commentary U2 have proposed.
Congratulations RFM!
The apostles: special FALSE witnesses of Christ.
does any one have the screenshots ?
RFM is you weren't in the crosshairs before, you certainly are now. Have you already resigned, or are you waiting for your summons? Remember Bill was taken down because of his direct assault on Holland. I enjoyed the episode but you have to realize that you are way over the line with this one (from the POV of the church leaders I mean). Or, are you sequestered somewhere where it will take the church leaders awhile to find and serve the summons to you?
Can't be excommunicated if you've received the 2nd Anointing.
Are u insane? RFM has the 2nd anointment silly
So he s fine. Let him keep exposing the corrupt wolves in lambs clothing🤨
Bill, if you received a DTG award, then we need to plan a Gold n Green Ball to celebrate...
1:26:28 I don’t think most people expect balance, as far as telling both sides goes. What I do expect is to be given all material facts with as much objectivity as possible. Reasonable minds may disagree from that point.
Such liars!!!
RFM does the same dance I used to do when that was his theme song. LOL
Oaks is a habitual LAWYER. Weasel words master
What is the motive?
And they offered video conferencing. So, the Brethren could secretly watch?
"The LDS Church" wonders why We're leaving "The Church!"
Some lawyers.
Congrats…on ur qualifying for outer darkness. Goofs.
Um..."goofs" who talks like that? 1957???..awesome!!!!!!
@@marquitaarmstrong399lol, boomers say "goofs".
@@charlesmendeley9823 We used to say "goof balls".
You don’t need to convince me Elder Oaks is based.
It's a form letter.
I really wish all podcasters who are exposing dishonesty would stop using tytles like elder of bishop or stake president. Then I could share these videos with people without being accused bring up religious stuff. Because it's not religion; Im not bringing up or talking about ones God or higher power. I want to bring awareness to ethical, moral, and credibility problems
These guys do rituals and sacrifices under their churches and other churches
That's right. The information is finally slowly being exposed. They team up with the R C C, too. Survivors are coming forth with their accounts of horrific abuse. M onson even did a sacrifice on the night prior to his speaking the next day in GC. Oaks is a pedo, and runs the Chicago M afia with his buddy M itt R om ney, running coke through the bishops' storehouses. Had to split the words to trick the AI.
Late at night in the old SLC tunnels, and even some meeting houses.
It's not a lie if it came from a dead prophet.