It matters who you hang-out with and talk to , but don’t let your environment dictate your actions, no matter who you “dialogue with”, do the right thing always- to be a man
This woman went into a Jordan Peterson event, met Neil, realized his opinion MATTERED and CONTRIBUTED to the journalism she was reporting, and made a video about the mentality of modern masculinity through the stories of people in his barbershop? I need the next episode right now!
Great idea. There are so many articles where the opposing side is portrayed as a caricature or worse. We are all people. Conversation reminds us how damn similar we are, even with the disagreement.
Something id like to add to this. The Eroding away of "Male Only" Spaces reduces this productive dialogue. Things like Football teams, Mens clubs, Boy Scouts etc. were all traditional ways of passing these lessons on to young men. Unfortunately in the name of "Inclusivity" these institutions are being destroyed.
I don't find him that insightful (I am not sure he said anything novel). I think big men with tattoos often are treated with more gravity than warranted...
You make a very good point, also these barbers and any particular group of society for that matter can only have answers for their singular scope of envisioned mentality.
@@Symbioticism I actually think big men with tattooes are usually ignored or written off. I liked this guy, I thought he came across very well. He obviously didn't reach the levels of profundity you require to listen to someone.
@@Tonyisnotonfire That's merely the title of the chapter my friend, he elaborates on the idea in great detail if you actually read it. I have a hard time seeing how the world could be so intrusive to you that you can't even keep your room clean or work on eliminating personal bad habits.
@@Tonyisnotonfire It is simplistic because you are analysing just the title of the chapter. The idea is that even if everything in your life is a mess, there is always (as small as it might be) something you have control over. For some is their house, or bedroom, or even their backpack. You can exercise taking responsibility in setting straight something that is in your control. At least that is part of my interpretation. I highly recommend that you read this chapter of the book, it's honestly not long nor boring.
SpaceWitch in many ways it is, but the idea is that instead of complaining about the many ways the world has wronged you (which it has to everyone), you take responsibility for whatever tiny corner of the world you inhabit, and after that you can begin to broaden your horizons.
Great series. He really impressed me when he answered the difference between a mother telling her son to make his bed and Jordan doing that. It really hit home
@@AdamPerkinsOneAndOnly I think what the man was trying to explain was the difference in how the message was delivered. In the example, he used it was stated that when someone like your mother says to make your bed it's to show you are a tidy person. Meanwhile, JP says you should clean your room as the first step to becoming the person you want to be. It doesn't truly matter the person that says it but how it is said and that is why people find it so impactful and work towards it. It's not about only listening to a man or a woman it's about learning ways to motivate your life.
@@AdamPerkinsOneAndOnlyThat's not really the point I think. He is saying that Peterson provides context on why that is worthwhile thing to do, whilst existing in this world as a man. There are specific societal expectations of a man in society and oftentimes, whilst a woman can maybe tell you what those expectations are, it's as difficult for her to guide a man to becoming that as it would be for a man to guide a girl through the unique challenges and expectations of being a woman.
Was prepared for a Cathy Newman style interview with this man, complete with loads of "So you're saying..." ..... but she allowed him to speak, WANTED to hear his viewpoint...you look at this guy's outward appearance and think "Ugh" but, damn, his take on life is eye-opening. Kudos to everyone involved.
The guy is honest, open and uncontroversial. There are no amazing statements like "I don't know if men and women can work together" or "I'm not sure if there isn't a natural need for different-sex parents" that require clarifications and subsequent dodges. So...
@@AnadynTheCursed which is what most people are in the world isn't it? Refreshing to see that and not the 1% of "bad apples" the media are always dramaticizing
Look at the thumbnail for this video with the journalist taking a heroic prominence in the composition. That tells you all you need to know about this woman and the Guardian.
@Arv San You're half-right. There's a difference between: What you think will help. And what actually helps. In a nutshell: I'm a Boy, in a Monster's body. I carry emotional baggage. And I'm unapproachable to a lot of people. But at the same time, people still say I'm helpful and interesting. Meanwhile, you have people more rude than I am, who actually get friends, a job, and dating partners. I have no clue why this is...
@Arv San and this is what modern demi is tries to erase. But 're Still being bashed for it, saying there 're trying to demasculate men... like what do you want.. choose one.
This was so eye opening and without pushing any particular narrative. Just a journalist being interested. Feels like the 90' are back. EDIT: Heck, I don't think I ever got a thousand likes on... Anything.
I like the way she expresses her opinions without making them seem like facts or how every female would also view things. It seems like a conversation and she follows where it goes without preset ideology and men like Neil can see that, that someone is genuinely wanting to know rather than trying to push their own agenda.
Well, there was less narrative and more facts in the media in the 90', at least in my country. Everybody has their views, obviously, but honest interviews with people you disagree with was more prevalent. Nowadays a left leaning journalist talking peacefully with a right winger (or, in this case, a feminist talking calmly with someone focusing on men's issues) is such a rarity, it inspires tears of joy, as evidenced in this comment section.
this can't be right? an actual Guardian journalist actually doing journalism and not just simply trying to smear someone's name? Who da thunk it? Hope this woman has a successful future.
She seemed to want to suggest this was just men being stupid men who should have just listened to women. She said something like we'll isn't that just something your mother tells you in a snide tone. When he said he learned something from his girlfriend, she seemed to suggest that his girlfriend was capable of helping him because she was a woman, rather than because she was a relatively put together person herself. that whatever qualities his girlfriend had that allowed her to help him is just something women have that men don't. I don't know i got some mild anti male vibe from her. Certainly tolerable though.
It’s not that the concept is new, it is that this lady is letting me give honest stories behind this train of thought that helps others appreciate it more than current garbage journalism.
@@StephenCowley001 then i suggest just turning your screen off and listen to what he says. Who cares what he looks like, is his ideas reasonable? That is what matters.
@@Endoptic I get the faulty logic behind that statement but I always wonder how you people who say such things miss the fact that the act of *Interpretation* wasn't invented by the f*cking postmodernists... Jordan also says there are only finite interpretations that are valid. Nothing, literally nothing he has ever said makes him a postmodernist.
@@tyd8077 I know I'm late and all...But if "Some viewers" cannot accept the message from a man about what he goes through day to day? Then not only do they disrespect that said man? They disrespect the men who died in wars for their existence and so called "rights". And the fact that people have been FULLY aware of what men go through and yet still deny the truth of Men's suffering is baffling at best and dangerous at worst.
I’m a 25 year old girl and I discovered JBP about three years ago, at my lowest point of life, and I was nearing suicide. He SAVED MY LIFE. I’m so grateful for his work and dedication, because he’s made it possible for me to finally live a life I know is worth living. Thank you, Jordan Peterson
@Bigus Dickus Thats a lie many women listen to JBP,. In addition, half the stuff he speaks about is basic psychology, it just shows how stupid we have become, and hyperbole over petty stuff, even with its something reasonable and sound.
I'm a critic of Jordan Peterson's views but I don't dunk on people who've improved their lives if they read or listened to him. I think the left should be more open and welcoming towards people which it is in some cases but it's not the general vibe they're giving. I think there should be more dialogue between leftists and people who have conservative views, and I'd invite some JP fans not to rely on preconceptions of leftists which is perpetuated by the media.
John Hillman hmmm trying to decide if I should comment back with my own subjective belief or the mountain of statistical studies that prove this 🤔. How many of the nafta jobs were held by men? There’s also coal. And auto manufacturing.
This might be more of a PR move than anything else really. Also, just because a piece validates your beliefs, does not mean that it consists of "real" (whatever that means) journalism.
This is great. I'm only commenting so that youtube algorithms counts this as engagement and boosts the visibility of the video. Great work, keep it up.
He said his first girlfriend was the one who saw he was full of shit. What wasn't discussed was: how did he become who he was at that time. Because that will touch the root of the problem: role models, the role of fathers, and acceptance of boys as they are. So far this is going in the right direction. Interviewing the right people and seriously being curious instead of going in with prejudice.
I explained that to my girlfriend. Why I was so depressed. I have literally nobody who is a role model. Nobody in my circle of friends or associates do I look at and think, "this guy is great".
Right Ron! I felt that was a slight miss of on opportunity to ask that question. But overall, I think Iman is doing a fantastic job at objectively tackling the topic. Such a breath of fresh air!
Jim Hogan true. But because times have changed. People have changed. Society has changed. Masculinity and femininity has also changed. With th rise of 3rd wave feminism and the war on men. Men are afraid to be men. Boys are being taught in primary school that being male is bad. Its fukd up.
Anon Nymous I suggest u do ur research mate and indeed u will find there is a war on masculinity and men in general. I got no agenda. Im statin facts bud.
8:03 - yep. Clean up your room, not because someone else is going to check up on you. Clean up your room, because that's the beginning of adopting responsibility. It's the start of establishing a relationship with beauty and it's a simple achievable step which gives you the confidence to make bigger steps.
That's not what he says. He says when mothers say it, they do it for superficial, self-serving reasons and not for the benefit of their child. Do not whitewash what he says. He ascribes different motivations to men and women for the same rule. he reacts differently to the same message depending on whether a man or woman says it. You cannot spin that to mean something else.
@Black Knight Fool I said I liked the series. How is that equivalent to me being a homosexual? I am a heterosexual. Kinda' silly for you to say that kid. Come on, we can have a productive convo here. :)
@The Fool On my behalf, please Guardian.. stop deleting all the comments (if you are). YT comments can be a semi decent place for discussion if you allow it to be!
"to be"? Glad you stayed and enjoyed it, but curious as to how you feel now, regarding your initial approach of frustration and anger. Any insight you could share?
@@tylersmith1220 Not OP but I will say that I felt the same. I am just tired of the constant attacks on masculinity and at the same time, trying to figure out who I am as a person. It's kinda hard when you can't be yourself for fear or being lambasted.
Responsibility does not mean taking on the burdens of the world. It does not mean accepting blame for things you have done or not done. it does not mean living in a state of perpetual guilt. Responsibility simply means your ability to respond. And meaning?........don’t get me started.
This is awesome! Both the quality and content but also the subject. As a mid 30s man, also on social media, I'm incredibly bombarded with younger men dealing with issues and I don't know where to guide them too.
Nal some valid truths there Nal. I’ve started a podcast and plan to cover some of these topics on there. I do mention male perspectives particularly as someone who’s ‘self making’ on my Instagram account. Perhaps incorporating on my UA-cam channel too with vlogs.
So far, this has been the most interesting series I have seen from the Guardian that I can remember. Engaging in an honest, genuine conversation with these guys and not forcing the conversation has allowed it to be incredibly insightful.
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Pleased The Guardian is shedding some positivity on masculinity by asking men & not dictating through SJW lens, for a change. The Journo seems open minded enough, kudos to her. The fellas at King Koby are switched on too. 👍👑
This dialogue is great, it’s frank and void of judgement so the result uncovers the organic issue men/young men and boys face in today’s world. The reasons for which are up for speculation and debate, but this sort of content is fantastic for reassuring those men out there with similar issues arising from a clouded take on masculinity. Excellent stuff Iman, take this to your bosses and their bosses and get this televised.
Thanks, this is exactly what I was trying to go for so I'm glad that it seems to have resonated with people, I hope you enjoy the rest of the series - IA
I've been a frustrated lefty for a while. I dug right into the whole 'well-intentioned identity politics' thing for a while. Felt so hollow. So self-righteous. I'm relieved the Guardian is hosting genuine conversation. I'd love to see this series expand and investigate every other big social topic.
Well done Iman. Thank you for interrupting-pursuing something small comments while letting them breathe and speak/process in others. Your chemistry with your subjects is felt, and you use it for the good of the conversation. Stay human. And just thank you for how approachable this feels.
Thanks Matthew, I hope you enjoy the rest of the series - do try to check the full interview which is linked in the description if you have time. There is even more room there for Neil to develop his points and further dialogue - IA
This is gold. Just the fact the you get to see a whole episode of journalism without spewing the word "toxic" every 5 minutes is amazing. Keep up with this series, you just got a subscriber from Brazil.
"These things women have been saying for a while" Spot on. Your crisis is not a result of feminism but of your own inability to listen to women in your life with the kind of respect you listen to Jordan Peterson.
"Men need men to teach them to be men" is *so true*. Growing up, your only male role model is your father. If your parents are separated, that role model is gone. Even if your parents are together, your father is at work for most of the day and when he gets home, it's usually just time for dinner or bed. Young boys tend to look up to their male school teachers as role models and they obviously aren't there all the time. So this lack of male role models is what has led to this "crisis of masculinity" in my opinion.
Tell that to the feminists. They are warped and think that they don't need the male role models. And this are the women who have kids on wedlock without a father creating fuckbois who hurt more women in the long run.
ngl quite surprised at the quality of this. British journalism has gone by the wayside abit lately and this is a refreshing change good job. I hope to see more like this in the future guardian.
As a young woman (25), I loved seeing this and found it very relatable to my own struggles as far as the impact that finally understanding the context in which suggestions originate -e.g. make your bed - and the agency even simple actions help build; a certain undoing of ego; and connection to meaning/purpose. Thanks for this perspective! Looking forward to the series. Curious to hear how ego is addressed, if getting it into some balance or aiming to ultimately obliterate.
The idea 'if one can't take responsibility for their immediate surroundings, what possible right do they have to question others' is extraordinary powerful whilst independent of ones sex. Love him or loath him, Jordan Peterson is a whole lot of wisdom for someone so young.
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Wow the Guardian actually had a normal conversation without going into hysterical identity politics calling them names for being straight white men. I'm quite impressed. Also JP changed my life and I will be forever grateful to him. I only wish I had been aware of him pre 2012 when my cousin committed suicide, I think JP could have saved him.
Wow, it very enlightening to hear a man speak this way about masculinity and to be so brutally honest about himself. The atmosphere in his barber shop is one that we need to bring out in our schools and homes for young men to at least grow up and be sure of themselves and to be healthy in their masculinity.
@@disobeytoday4685 Before "women's rights", women were relegated to near enough second class citizens. Unable to vote, unable to pursue their own goals and at the mercy of the will of their husbands and fathers. Surely as an individual, you can see why they, as individuals would struggle for their own liberty and responsibility, just as you would in that situation. Why can we not have self responsibilised women and self responsiblised men? I don't think the promotion of the importance of masculinity and masculine values is mutually exclusive with the liberty and agency of women. We just haven't figured out the balance yet, keep in mind the empowerment of women has only been around for less than a hundred years.
@@rubenscollegefreind - Maybe because women went from being second class citizens with no freedom to having all the freedom in the world almost overnight. Like giving a 13 year old child all the rights of an adult
Male spaces are no longer allowed. Masculinity has been cut off at the bud which is having a place in the family and tge lives of our children. In America it has recently been declared that The Boy Scouts is no longer a space for boys.
The "make your bed" argument is interesting, parents tell you the how and never the why you should do it. Along comes Peterson (or Insert any Motivation peddler) and makes you understand the why and then people have their Eureka! moment. Also parents dont like to explain the why, i've noticed this with my nephews and I usually end up being that "why" explainer, as best as I can!
Parents just yell to kids from their power of authority instead of rationalizing their action. Then these kids don't argue based on reason and logic and just protest and are part of cancel culture.
Its funny when i was teenager i always rebelled by asking "why" to whatever was told me. The awnser was always "because i tell you to" wich made me just double down on it.
This is what modern journalism should be. Asking questions from real people and listening to what they're saying. From the Guardian, this is a pleasant surprise.
Space_Race haha 😂 I actually need to watch it again to decide if I have notes on few things. Saying it’s good doesn’t mean I fully agree with it. Nice one, really! 😂
Two episodes in, and I'm still very impressed with Iman and her pursuit of understanding JBP and why men feel like there's a masculinity crisis. Thank you for being open-minded and actually having a dialogue instead of just smearing men like most in the media.
I suffered from addiction, depression, anxiety and was a terrible boyfriend to my partner. I now am sober, clean and work full time running the UK part of an American company. Jordan Peterson saved my life.
Now this is what a real journalist looks like. She asks questions, she's curious, she listens and doesn't project her own biases - if she has any at all. That's something I found refreshing about Iman is that you couldn't tell what her particular stance on the subject of conversation was, you just knew she was interested in the response. Well done Guardian. Keep it the fuck up. People in general need this sort of responsible journalism, not just men.
Notice there were no blaming, victimisation, bending the rules to fit someone. Just simply taking responsibility and action to become a better person. Shouldn’t we all be doing this? Both male and female. What kind of future society do you want? Look inside, start within.
I was literally in the Barbers this morning talking about Mental Health and Male suicide rates; the Barber says they are part of a group that encourages men to talk and share their woes. We also discussed the decline of the Pub and how that was once an outlet for men to have a chat and a drink, to get things off their chest, to have a whinge and a laugh; which was once all part of the battle of life.
I am deeply impressed with this video and the series as a whole. The fact that Iman, as a woman, is asking hard questions about what it means to be a man and willing to listen without judgment is soo refreshing. Although I consider myself a feminist and see the injustice that women face to this day, I have increasingly had the feeling that there has been something missing in this conversation. By shedding light on the struggles that we men face but often try to hide ourselves, Iman is helping in making this conversation well rounded and less polarising an judgmental. Thank you for that
This is the type of honest and open conversation that we should have on any subject, be it modern masculity, feminism, climate change, vaccine, gun control, etc. Let people talk openly to express their feeling and ask questions to understand better. Don't attack, don't judge and lead the conversation toward a mutual understanding of the situation (as in both parties get a complete view of the situation) in order to finally bring foward ideas for potential solutions.
I’m torn between two thoughts. On the one hand I’m happy to see the Guardian actually addressing this. On the other hand it annoys the hell out of me that the Guardian has been vilifying JBP for years and now they’re stealing his philosophy for clicks.
Molseren yes, his philosophy. If that’s your opinion on his work, you’re probably reading the wrong book. Either that or you’re just being dismissive due to personal ideology.
The conversation that the men and the lady interviewing them were having werent on the concept of modern masculinity. It was in INDIVIDUALISM. On how to shoulder more responsibility and build your own truth. Which transcends just mere categorizations such masculinity and femininity. Because it applies to everyone. Which is exactly what Peterson talks about. Really wonder why Peterson gets so much of flak for it
@@dumfriesspearhead7398 he addresses both men and women more equally its just that the media only picks up on the ones where he addresses women. Also it's seems that men are gravitating more
There are different kinds of masculinity, e.g.: James Bond versus a biker gang member versus a lumberjack, and I hope this series addresses the fact masculinity expresses itself in many ways. I think masculinity prioritises individualism a bit more than feminity, but you're absolutely right. I also think individualism as a form of leadership is common across many forms of masculinity, but leadership is probably the quality that is even more commonly associated with masculinity. Here in North America, "man cards" were popular about 10 years ago, but they described an Alaskan outdoorsman more than anything else.
@Ryan D I get it. We are responsible if we have the power to impact on what we are responsible for. So in order to get men more responsible, they need to have more authority ? I hope my english is understandable
Truth is there is no responsibility if you have no authority, people who don't give you authority over a thing but say you're responsible for it are basically saying you are only there to take the blame for someone else for no gain...… why should any man live his life as a punching bag?.
The best thing about this series is allowing men to speak for themselves. The key concept in anthropology - or any study of a group not our own- is to allow that group to be judged not just by an outsider but also by themselves. One of the great flaws in much modern journalism is the tendency to dismiss and condescend non mainstream people or views. (Unless they are widely accepted as being oppressed recently). The way Jordan Peterson is so often introduced as 'controversial' or 'alt-right' is an example of this desire judge solely on a mainstream perspective. It took great boldness to make this series and I look forward to the following episodes. Those of us who align with traditional values really appreciate you allowing our views to permeate the mainstream. Being heard and listened to is a precious moment.
This journalist should get promoted, she is very very good at this. Its honest and not ideological, its inquiry driven and not narrative driven. I am impressed by this level of journalism today!
I love the word ‘truth’. Are we finally on the cusp of emerging from postmodern valuelessness and darkness? Are we finally moving into a new, brighter age?
Being an immigrant and living in London for the past 8 years, this video encompasses everything I love in the British and their idiosyncratic approach to the culture of conversation, and exchange of knowledge. The candid, honest, judgement-free float of conversation, on a high level of insight and emotional intelligence while avoiding any sort of truisms or sense of being overtly contrived just for the sake of media format. So truthful, helpful and above all, meaningful. Also, having started these series I was a bit sceptic, if not prejudiced to see a woman trying to talk about masculinity and its crisis, thinking 'yes, great, another feminist rant'. But so far I am happy to say the series have challenged that bias, exposing it straight back to me, making me question such assumptions by showing that as long as this conversation is meaningful it really shouldn't (and doesn't) matter.
One word comes to mind when watching this series: respect. You come into these conversations open and willing to learn about someone's perspectives without judgement, and that really shines through in the most refreshing way. There is no agenda-pushing, no tongue-in-cheek "can ya get a load o' these guys" mentality. You knock on the door, wait to be invited in, and open yourself to an honest dialogue.
When your mom tells you to clean your room you do it so she stops nagging, when JB tells you to clean your room you do it to take responsibility for something. The room being clean is a secondary thing in this case and could be substituted with anything else.
@@giazveriachvili8348 how is that tyranny? JBP has no way to force you to do anything. In fact the act of cleaning your room only has meaning if it's done voluntarily.
"We need men talking to men!" Great line. If the older men look up for and serve as role models for the younger men, there would not be so much confusion in men today. Fathers should be there to raise their boys, grandfathers should be there to share wisdom to fathers, and men in communities should realize that the way they act will influence the younger generation!
This is like a callback to a past where people could disagree honestly and discuss it without losing their cool. Great job. I hope to see more like this.
I like to debate people and you would be surprised on how many people actually have meltdowns when i challenge their beliefs. yesterday was a record for me, 4 people had a meltdown over me challenging them.
So, for millennia men never had this issue. Maybe I haven’t seen enough of this series but if you don’t end up asking why this is even needed, it is bound to happen over and over again. So, why is there even a need for “modern masculinity”, why do so many of these young men having such issues? Why is “traditional masculinity” defined as emotional repression when I never saw my WW2 grandfathers and uncles behave that way? Until we are willing to to discuss the hard reality of the cause it will continue. We have to start discussing the negative ugliness of “social engineering.” As long as the narrative is: “you go girl, men suck and are the root cause of all our problems”, and this narrative is driven by “extremists feminism” it will keep getting worse. It will keep driving young men away. Censorship across social platforms, where men can’t discuss the hard ugly things, in raw language, is only making it worse.
The way that barber talked about “lads” really resonated with me. The problem is that men are always seeking a way to have some sort of authority and power in some aspect of their life. Sometimes that’s in a group of friends, a relationship, a job, or anywhere where they have someone’s trust and respect. But when there’s no outlet for that in there lives, that’s when you get young men using violence as some sort of “means to an end” to achieving power and authority. I know because this was me as a teenager. I wasn’t respected by any of my class mates. I had behavioural problems. I didn’t get along with my family. So my way of achieving respect, trust, power and authority was to go to football matches on weekends and get into brawls because it’s the only way I felt I could be part of something brighter than myself. If you want young men to have meaning. You need to help them find an outlet in life where they feel they have some authority and power. Otherwise they’ll find more sinister ways to obtain it.
Tranzor Z I’m sorry you feel that way. I think Strigid Lanathiel put it in much better words than I did. Rather than seeking authority, we’re more seeking meaningfulness in our lives and if we don’t get that we’ll find more sinister ways to achieve it like I did.
Why cant everything the guardian do be this honest and genuine, this is real reporting, props to everyone who makes this series but it highlights the lack of real journalism in our society today
Refreshing to see true investigative journalism. This has given me so much more hope for humanity and I truly hope that other journalists follow this as an example of genuine, authentic journalism. It would be amazing to be able to trust media organizations again and to know you're reading fact when reading the news.
7:27 of the video is very telling. When women tell men to be men (i.e. take responsibility), they get ignored, called names, or worse. When JP tells men the same things, they do it. I remembered something JP said awhile ago to women that I thought was very poignant. He said that couples often fight to 'win' or to have the last word, which is self-defeating in the long run. He notes that men are often raised with very limited emotional vocabulary to express themselves, and sometimes, women have to help men articulate and elaborate their needs better instead of constantly trying to win an argument. Therefore, telling them to make their beds is self-defeating and it won't get far. Rather, giving them an opportunity to explain why they're not willing to make their beds is far more helpful. Men are sure that only men can help men. That is true for the most part, but there are exceptions. I believe women can adopt a masculine stance when talking to men which can achieve the same effect as well. The only caveat is... this job is best left for mothers/sisters/aunts or family members that aren't interested in dating the men they're trying to change.
Wow, I actually love this journalist. WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE OF THIS? This is what it means to be a journalist. THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED.
im very skeptical of Jordan Peterson but i'll admit it is promising to me that men are beginning to challenge the definition of what it means to be a man, and extrapolating that into what it means to simply be a better human being.
can you explain why? I don't understand the Peterson hate. He strikes me as someone who is trying to help young men find their way and actually cares passionately about that. The core message is personal responsibility and management of pain and anger what is to dislike about that?
A thousand bravos and thanks, Iman Amrani. This series is absolutely amazing. It's really rare that people take the time to really discuss without prejudice, irony, or a willingness to mock or ridicule other people's ideas and thoughts. You learn a lot more about people that way.
Great series so far. Quick note: At 6:10 you said, “It feels like Peterson has claimed ownership of this idea of responsibility.” He hasn’t taken claim but nor is trying too. He states how this message of responsibility is overshadowed by only the discussion of rights.
@S K _"Quit putting your political agenda onto everything."_ You called secular humanism a "political agenda" and seven people upvoted your post... is this some joke that went over my head or are there really this many people who are too lazy to look up the definition of "secular humanism?"
Secular humanism is absurd. It’s lacks the capability to generate any meaning and purpose beyond the arbitrary, and presupposes is even the most basic and fundamental ideas (ideas that aren’t self-evident like intrinsic human value and that suffering is objectively a bad thing.
@S K _"I know what secular humanism is."_ That is demonstrably untrue, since you just called it a 'political agenda.' _"You're just cringey asf trying to shoehorn it in here."_ I'm not the one who brought up secular humanism, and I have no assertion as to my position on it. You seem very confused about everything.
I think everyone has masculine and feminine energies but I think a lot men aren't using their feminine side to counter balance the masculinity in their lives. Talking to one another and being vulnerable is the perfect example and I think we need more woman (and men) like Iman to help create this dialogue between men because women have been talking to each and being transparent for years while men sat in the shadows burying their insecurities. We can learn so much from each other as fellow men, women... humans. This is a great series so far and I'm really grateful this issue is being talked about, it feels like people care about the struggles I've been dealing with for some time now. Thank you Guardian!
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why is not a man doing a series about modern masculinity? Or is it sexist for the guardian to have a male journalist talking about a male concern?
Please provide subtitles/captions also.
People from other continents/subcontinent are also watching this.
Thank you!
Is there any more work by this journalist with neil? Or other interviews such? This is sooo relatable. Men for men.
It matters who you hang-out with and talk to , but don’t let your environment dictate your actions, no matter who you “dialogue with”, do the right thing always- to be a man
This woman went into a Jordan Peterson event, met Neil, realized his opinion MATTERED and CONTRIBUTED to the journalism she was reporting, and made a video about the mentality of modern masculinity through the stories of people in his barbershop?
I need the next episode right now!
Or maybe that it was a story she could sell?
John Williams either way, it’s quality content.
@@burry218 it is content and there is a quality about it.
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I didn’t hear the term alt-right used once. This should get an award for objective and genuine journalism.
Or a complete fail?
She basically just picked ripe fruit from the ground
Curious: How do you describe systemic racism? I know it's unrelated to your post but I am curious to know what you think.
I found it utterly ridiculous that we are crediting a journalist simply for not lying.
Guardian, encourage your journalists to do more things like this. Instead of just throwing around labels, talk to some people. This is excellent.
Great idea. There are so many articles where the opposing side is portrayed as a caricature or worse. We are all people. Conversation reminds us how damn similar we are, even with the disagreement.
Precisely
Spot on. This was the very first 'Thumbs Up' on a Guardian post I have given. That's just not normal Guardian content.
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"Dialogue is important". This ideal should be prevalent throughout all Guardian journalism
Something id like to add to this. The Eroding away of "Male Only" Spaces reduces this productive dialogue. Things like Football teams, Mens clubs, Boy Scouts etc. were all traditional ways of passing these lessons on to young men. Unfortunately in the name of "Inclusivity" these institutions are being destroyed.
@SunnyFysh
Imagine thinking that's what I said in my comment. lmfao
@SunnyFysh That's not what he meant...
It should be, but the majority of Guardian journalists are totalitarians masquerading as champions of the weak and innocent.
@@rf6001 By organisations and people just like Guardian Journalists.
What an interesting and insightful man.
Also a reminder to never judge a book by its cover.
True that
I don't find him that insightful (I am not sure he said anything novel). I think big men with tattoos often are treated with more gravity than warranted...
You make a very good point, also these barbers and any particular group of society for that matter can only have answers for their singular scope of envisioned mentality.
Never judge a book by its cover, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't judge the cover.
@@Symbioticism I actually think big men with tattooes are usually ignored or written off. I liked this guy, I thought he came across very well. He obviously didn't reach the levels of profundity you require to listen to someone.
"If you cant govern your immediate surroundings, you can't properly govern your life" very true
Jordan Peterson's 6th Rule: " Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world."
Connor M. Banks what if the world is the cause of your house being in disarray? His advice can seem great, but is incredibly simplistic at times
@@Tonyisnotonfire That's merely the title of the chapter my friend, he elaborates on the idea in great detail if you actually read it. I have a hard time seeing how the world could be so intrusive to you that you can't even keep your room clean or work on eliminating personal bad habits.
@@Tonyisnotonfire It is simplistic because you are analysing just the title of the chapter.
The idea is that even if everything in your life is a mess, there is always (as small as it might be) something you have control over.
For some is their house, or bedroom, or even their backpack.
You can exercise taking responsibility in setting straight something that is in your control.
At least that is part of my interpretation. I highly recommend that you read this chapter of the book, it's honestly not long nor boring.
SpaceWitch in many ways it is, but the idea is that instead of complaining about the many ways the world has wronged you (which it has to everyone), you take responsibility for whatever tiny corner of the world you inhabit, and after that you can begin to broaden your horizons.
Great series. He really impressed me when he answered the difference between a mother telling her son to make his bed and Jordan doing that. It really hit home
Isn't that sort of toxic, though? "I can't take criticism or advice from women seriously."
Adam Perkins he never said that, so I don’t know who are you quoting, and i think that you completely missed the point
@@AdamPerkinsOneAndOnly I think what the man was trying to explain was the difference in how the message was delivered. In the example, he used it was stated that when someone like your mother says to make your bed it's to show you are a tidy person. Meanwhile, JP says you should clean your room as the first step to becoming the person you want to be. It doesn't truly matter the person that says it but how it is said and that is why people find it so impactful and work towards it. It's not about only listening to a man or a woman it's about learning ways to motivate your life.
@@AdamPerkinsOneAndOnly There's a gulf of difference between words from a female caregiver and a male initiator.
@@AdamPerkinsOneAndOnlyThat's not really the point I think. He is saying that Peterson provides context on why that is worthwhile thing to do, whilst existing in this world as a man.
There are specific societal expectations of a man in society and oftentimes, whilst a woman can maybe tell you what those expectations are, it's as difficult for her to guide a man to becoming that as it would be for a man to guide a girl through the unique challenges and expectations of being a woman.
Was prepared for a Cathy Newman style interview with this man, complete with loads of "So you're saying..." ..... but she allowed him to speak, WANTED to hear his viewpoint...you look at this guy's outward appearance and think "Ugh" but, damn, his take on life is eye-opening. Kudos to everyone involved.
My thought too! But isn’t it sad how many of us have such a LOW bar for what we expect of “journalists” these days.
right
The guy is honest, open and uncontroversial. There are no amazing statements like "I don't know if men and women can work together" or "I'm not sure if there isn't a natural need for different-sex parents" that require clarifications and subsequent dodges. So...
@@AnadynTheCursed which is what most people are in the world isn't it? Refreshing to see that and not the 1% of "bad apples" the media are always dramaticizing
I'm usually at odds with The Guardian, but this is good journalism. Thank you for this. Do this more.
LupusAkira you have an anime avatar
@@JoeBidenFanclub99 Yes. Yes, he does.
(And so what? It's Raphtalia, btw)
Look at the thumbnail for this video with the journalist taking a heroic prominence in the composition. That tells you all you need to know about this woman and the Guardian.
Agree
You like that they validate your ideas and identity. How do you think folks feel when JP invalidates theirs?
“Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally. A man is only loved under the condition that he provide something." - Chris Rock
Arv San
Your detrimental ignorance and utter naïveté are showing bud.
Yes.
I hate it.
@Arv San You're half-right.
There's a difference between: What you think will help. And what actually helps.
In a nutshell: I'm a Boy, in a Monster's body.
I carry emotional baggage. And I'm unapproachable to a lot of people.
But at the same time, people still say I'm helpful and interesting.
Meanwhile, you have people more rude than I am, who actually get friends, a job, and dating partners.
I have no clue why this is...
@Arv San and this is what modern demi is tries to erase. But 're Still being bashed for it, saying there 're trying to demasculate men... like what do you want.. choose one.
Musical Imposition how exactly? Their point is very valid. But of course since you disagree their statement is “ignorant”.
This was so eye opening and without pushing any particular narrative. Just a journalist being interested. Feels like the 90' are back.
EDIT: Heck, I don't think I ever got a thousand likes on... Anything.
I like the way she expresses her opinions without making them seem like facts or how every female would also view things. It seems like a conversation and she follows where it goes without preset ideology and men like Neil can see that, that someone is genuinely wanting to know rather than trying to push their own agenda.
Here’s hoping
@@katesteventon5296 Well, hope dies last.
What about the 90s?
Well, there was less narrative and more facts in the media in the 90', at least in my country. Everybody has their views, obviously, but honest interviews with people you disagree with was more prevalent. Nowadays a left leaning journalist talking peacefully with a right winger (or, in this case, a feminist talking calmly with someone focusing on men's issues) is such a rarity, it inspires tears of joy, as evidenced in this comment section.
this can't be right? an actual Guardian journalist actually doing journalism and not just simply trying to smear someone's name? Who da thunk it? Hope this woman has a successful future.
Nah. Give it until the next episode.
@@peterc3262 She seems like a good journalist, lets just hope she has a good editor.
If had has a successful future, it won't be in The Guardian for sure
It's obvious she doesn't like Peterson. The Guardian and the entire left are scared to death of him.
She seemed to want to suggest this was just men being stupid men who should have just listened to women. She said something like we'll isn't that just something your mother tells you in a snide tone. When he said he learned something from his girlfriend, she seemed to suggest that his girlfriend was capable of helping him because she was a woman, rather than because she was a relatively put together person herself. that whatever qualities his girlfriend had that allowed her to help him is just something women have that men don't. I don't know i got some mild anti male vibe from her. Certainly tolerable though.
Somebody give this lass a bloody award or something!
Absolutely brilliant journalism.
Peterson and Shapiro have been talking about these issues for YEARS now....but sure give her a medal lol
It’s not that the concept is new, it is that this lady is letting me give honest stories behind this train of thought that helps others appreciate it more than current garbage journalism.
Dude she's just the host.
@@StephenCowley001 then i suggest just turning your screen off and listen to what he says. Who cares what he looks like, is his ideas reasonable? That is what matters.
Still gets the rope
"Clean up your damn room, bucko, because the dragon of chaos is just around the corner. Stand up straight, and speak the truth."
The literature on that is crystal clear
Jordan's truth? The scientific one or the post-modern one he whips out instead when he get religious or "ethical"?
watch?v=AwXAB6cICG0
Endoptic - You were expecting scientific proof when he gets religious?
@@Endoptic I get the faulty logic behind that statement but I always wonder how you people who say such things miss the fact that the act of *Interpretation* wasn't invented by the f*cking postmodernists...
Jordan also says there are only finite interpretations that are valid.
Nothing, literally nothing he has ever said makes him a postmodernist.
You have to rise up in the dominance hierarchy. And that's not an insignificant thing !
Seeing all the other comments, I cannot help but think what a sad state of affairs we're in, when a journalist simply doing her job calls for praise.
Real journalism is hard to find, she should be praised to set an example
Then they should be talking to a man. A woman never understands what a, man goes through.
It's called positive reinforcement. It works.
@@acewilliams7917 but some viewers will only accept the message coming from a woman. It's a smart strategy
@@tyd8077 I know I'm late and all...But if "Some viewers" cannot accept the message from a man about what he goes through day to day? Then not only do they disrespect that said man? They disrespect the men who died in wars for their existence and so called "rights". And the fact that people have been FULLY aware of what men go through and yet still deny the truth of Men's suffering is baffling at best and dangerous at worst.
I’m a 25 year old girl and I discovered JBP about three years ago, at my lowest point of life, and I was nearing suicide. He SAVED MY LIFE. I’m so grateful for his work and dedication, because he’s made it possible for me to finally live a life I know is worth living. Thank you, Jordan Peterson
Great buddy... Have a good fulfilling life..
Best wishes from me..
take care of yourself and live well :-)
@Bigus Dickus Thats a lie many women listen to JBP,. In addition, half the stuff he speaks about is basic psychology, it just shows how stupid we have become, and hyperbole over petty stuff, even with its something reasonable and sound.
@Sequins I'm glad you chose to stay :)
I'm a critic of Jordan Peterson's views but I don't dunk on people who've improved their lives if they read or listened to him. I think the left should be more open and welcoming towards people which it is in some cases but it's not the general vibe they're giving. I think there should be more dialogue between leftists and people who have conservative views, and I'd invite some JP fans not to rely on preconceptions of leftists which is perpetuated by the media.
Timely and insightful - this is the kind of journalism we need. Please keep producing series like this one.
@John Hillman Ignorance? In what sense?
@John Hillman Gee, relax, they were only asking a question.
Fyi, I understand what you are saying.
John Hillman men aren’t in crises? Apparently automation isnt a real thing.
John Hillman hmmm trying to decide if I should comment back with my own subjective belief or the mountain of statistical studies that prove this 🤔. How many of the nafta jobs were held by men? There’s also coal. And auto manufacturing.
I'm only here to squeeeezzeee yet muscles laaa
Has the Guardian turned the corner? Is real journalism back?
John McLeod lets slow down there, Johnny
Lol, no.
Don't kid yourself.
This might be more of a PR move than anything else really. Also, just because a piece validates your beliefs, does not mean that it consists of "real" (whatever that means) journalism.
no, this is part of a quarantine and redirect programme to stop the white awakening, to stop us speaking up for ourselves
this is very much traditional masculinity. It just seems modern because it has almost compleatly disapeares
I would say resurging, like all belief systems we evolve.
What an incredible series. Respect to Iman Amrani for reminding me what real journalism looks like.
This is great. I'm only commenting so that youtube algorithms counts this as engagement and boosts the visibility of the video. Great work, keep it up.
Same here (y)
same @@ljpimentel
Same here. But as many other comments have said, I'm glad it isn't a JBP smear piece and it was just an interesting interview with fair question.
I hope commenting in threads has the same effect.
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He said his first girlfriend was the one who saw he was full of shit. What wasn't discussed was: how did he become who he was at that time. Because that will touch the root of the problem: role models, the role of fathers, and acceptance of boys as they are.
So far this is going in the right direction. Interviewing the right people and seriously being curious instead of going in with prejudice.
I explained that to my girlfriend. Why I was so depressed. I have literally nobody who is a role model. Nobody in my circle of friends or associates do I look at and think, "this guy is great".
Right Ron! I felt that was a slight miss of on opportunity to ask that question. But overall, I think Iman is doing a fantastic job at objectively tackling the topic. Such a breath of fresh air!
Can’t believe I keep coming back to the Guardian for videos like this! Fantastic work by an insightful journalist.
They're manipulating you. Don't trust the Guardian.
Just watch Jordan Peterson himself leave this Guardian nonsense alone
Next time I'm in the UK, I'm finding one of Neil's barbershops to give him my business...
Masculinity isn't modern; masculinity is masculinity.
Jim Hogan wat?
Exactly. That's what I've been saying.
Jim Hogan true. But because times have changed. People have changed. Society has changed. Masculinity and femininity has also changed. With th rise of 3rd wave feminism and the war on men. Men are afraid to be men. Boys are being taught in primary school that being male is bad. Its fukd up.
@@Luke-qp9fd There is no 'war on men'. Stop making things up to suit your agenda.
Anon Nymous I suggest u do ur research mate and indeed u will find there is a war on masculinity and men in general. I got no agenda. Im statin facts bud.
8:03 - yep. Clean up your room, not because someone else is going to check up on you. Clean up your room, because that's the beginning of adopting responsibility. It's the start of establishing a relationship with beauty and it's a simple achievable step which gives you the confidence to make bigger steps.
That's not what he says. He says when mothers say it, they do it for superficial, self-serving reasons and not for the benefit of their child. Do not whitewash what he says. He ascribes different motivations to men and women for the same rule. he reacts differently to the same message depending on whether a man or woman says it. You cannot spin that to mean something else.
I wish this was explained to me.
This series is awesome. I wish you had a separate channel just for this series. It's really interesting and fresh and exciting!
@Black Knight Fool I said I liked the series. How is that equivalent to me being a homosexual? I am a heterosexual. Kinda' silly for you to say that kid. Come on, we can have a productive convo here. :)
@Black Knight Fool Hmm, are you trying to insinuate that either of our comments were edited? Because mine wasn't..
Weird that the Guardian is so balanced
@The Fool On my behalf, please Guardian.. stop deleting all the comments (if you are). YT comments can be a semi decent place for discussion if you allow it to be!
@@superawesomecaptainmcfluff9506 You have the wrong opinion, so that won't happen.
Came here to be frustrated and angry, but stayed and was mesmerized.
"to be"? Glad you stayed and enjoyed it, but curious as to how you feel now, regarding your initial approach of frustration and anger. Any insight you could share?
@@tylersmith1220 Not OP but I will say that I felt the same. I am just tired of the constant attacks on masculinity and at the same time, trying to figure out who I am as a person. It's kinda hard when you can't be yourself for fear or being lambasted.
Responsibility does not mean taking on the burdens of the world. It does not mean accepting blame for things you have done or not done. it does not mean living in a state of perpetual guilt.
Responsibility simply means your ability to respond.
And meaning?........don’t get me started.
Weird, it almost sounds like these videos are suggesting that men and women are different.
There's ways we're different and ways we're the same, when it comes to being human we're the same.
Well because they are
Of course they are. Use your brain.
Yes, shock horror! Who would've thought.
@@jonm57 I think he's being sarcastic mate.
This is awesome! Both the quality and content but also the subject. As a mid 30s man, also on social media, I'm incredibly bombarded with younger men dealing with issues and I don't know where to guide them too.
Nal some valid truths there Nal. I’ve started a podcast and plan to cover some of these topics on there. I do mention male perspectives particularly as someone who’s ‘self making’ on my Instagram account. Perhaps incorporating on my UA-cam channel too with vlogs.
Would you say life and adulthood has been pretty seamless and struggle free for you?
These dialogues are what are needed for us to move forward as a society. Thank you so much for this.
I like the way Neil thinks, very different from myself but like what he says.
Also was more excited for this than Avengers Endgame.
Lewis Holman Well, in truth superheroes suck, however nicely and impressively they are presented.
@@Tancred73 I disagree. I think they capture and hold up the ideals that we all strive for and wish we can embody within our own lives.
So far, this has been the most interesting series I have seen from the Guardian that I can remember. Engaging in an honest, genuine conversation with these guys and not forcing the conversation has allowed it to be incredibly insightful.
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in a sea of lost journalists this piece shines bright and beautiful, excellent work!!
I must say that this young journalist is an absolute breath of fresh air, in a world of devicive, counterproductive media shills.
Pleased The Guardian is shedding some positivity on masculinity by asking men & not dictating through SJW lens, for a change. The Journo seems open minded enough, kudos to her. The fellas at King Koby are switched on too. 👍👑
@New Void True dat
The crisis of masculinity is more like an existential crisis rather than some kind of Faminest oppression
I haven't been this impressed with a mainstream journalist in years ... very well done Guardian, and Iman -- you deserve recognition for this
This dialogue is great, it’s frank and void of judgement so the result uncovers the organic issue men/young men and boys face in today’s world. The reasons for which are up for speculation and debate, but this sort of content is fantastic for reassuring those men out there with similar issues arising from a clouded take on masculinity. Excellent stuff Iman, take this to your bosses and their bosses and get this televised.
Thanks, this is exactly what I was trying to go for so I'm glad that it seems to have resonated with people, I hope you enjoy the rest of the series - IA
I've been a frustrated lefty for a while. I dug right into the whole 'well-intentioned identity politics' thing for a while. Felt so hollow. So self-righteous. I'm relieved the Guardian is hosting genuine conversation. I'd love to see this series expand and investigate every other big social topic.
Well done Iman. Thank you for interrupting-pursuing something small comments while letting them breathe and speak/process in others. Your chemistry with your subjects is felt, and you use it for the good of the conversation. Stay human.
And just thank you for how approachable this feels.
Thanks Matthew, I hope you enjoy the rest of the series - do try to check the full interview which is linked in the description if you have time. There is even more room there for Neil to develop his points and further dialogue - IA
This is gold.
Just the fact the you get to see a whole episode of journalism without spewing the word "toxic" every 5 minutes is amazing.
Keep up with this series, you just got a subscriber from Brazil.
"These things women have been saying for a while" Spot on. Your crisis is not a result of feminism but of your own inability to listen to women in your life with the kind of respect you listen to Jordan Peterson.
"Men need men to teach them to be men" is *so true*. Growing up, your only male role model is your father. If your parents are separated, that role model is gone. Even if your parents are together, your father is at work for most of the day and when he gets home, it's usually just time for dinner or bed. Young boys tend to look up to their male school teachers as role models and they obviously aren't there all the time. So this lack of male role models is what has led to this "crisis of masculinity" in my opinion.
Tell that to the feminists. They are warped and think that they don't need the male role models. And this are the women who have kids on wedlock without a father creating fuckbois who hurt more women in the long run.
Alejandro Cisneros women have kids out of wedlock *with men*
ngl quite surprised at the quality of this. British journalism has gone by the wayside abit lately and this is a refreshing change good job. I hope to see more like this in the future guardian.
As a young woman (25), I loved seeing this and found it very relatable to my own struggles as far as the impact that finally understanding the context in which suggestions originate -e.g. make your bed - and the agency even simple actions help build; a certain undoing of ego; and connection to meaning/purpose. Thanks for this perspective! Looking forward to the series. Curious to hear how ego is addressed, if getting it into some balance or aiming to ultimately obliterate.
Wow that dude started some barbers shops and ended up forming a movement. I’m impressed.
The idea 'if one can't take responsibility for their immediate surroundings, what possible right do they have to question others' is extraordinary powerful whilst independent of ones sex. Love him or loath him, Jordan Peterson is a whole lot of wisdom for someone so young.
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This is so incredibly refreshing, well done to Iman Amrani.
This video is choking me up. All these things they are talking about are struggles I have felt trying to figure out how to be a good man
Thank you for making this.
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Wow the Guardian actually had a normal conversation without going into hysterical identity politics calling them names for being straight white men. I'm quite impressed. Also JP changed my life and I will be forever grateful to him. I only wish I had been aware of him pre 2012 when my cousin committed suicide, I think JP could have saved him.
Wow, it very enlightening to hear a man speak this way about masculinity and to be so brutally honest about himself. The atmosphere in his barber shop is one that we need to bring out in our schools and homes for young men to at least grow up and be sure of themselves and to be healthy in their masculinity.
And women need to remember we had all that, and it was taken away by "women's rights".
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Before "women's rights", women were relegated to near enough second class citizens.
Unable to vote, unable to pursue their own goals and at the mercy of the will of their husbands and fathers.
Surely as an individual, you can see why they, as individuals would struggle for their own liberty and responsibility, just as you would in that situation.
Why can we not have self responsibilised women and self responsiblised men? I don't think the promotion of the importance of masculinity and masculine values is mutually exclusive with the liberty and agency of women.
We just haven't figured out the balance yet, keep in mind the empowerment of women has only been around for less than a hundred years.
@@rubenscollegefreind - Maybe because women went from being second class citizens with no freedom to having all the freedom in the world almost overnight. Like giving a 13 year old child all the rights of an adult
Male spaces are no longer allowed. Masculinity has been cut off at the bud which is having a place in the family and tge lives of our children. In America it has recently been declared that The Boy Scouts is no longer a space for boys.
@@Red0660 A lot of women were against that decision too, actually.
The "make your bed" argument is interesting, parents tell you the how and never the why you should do it. Along comes Peterson (or Insert any Motivation peddler) and makes you understand the why and then people have their Eureka! moment.
Also parents dont like to explain the why, i've noticed this with my nephews and I usually end up being that "why" explainer, as best as I can!
sometimes you need someone who sits and critically thinks about these things to point out the underlying philosophy in why we do what we do.
@Gwyddion Flint Bingo, or they're not there to say anything more than "do it".
Parents just yell to kids from their power of authority instead of rationalizing their action. Then these kids don't argue based on reason and logic and just protest and are part of cancel culture.
Its funny when i was teenager i always rebelled by asking "why" to whatever was told me. The awnser was always "because i tell you to" wich made me just double down on it.
@@офицер-к8й same
This is what modern journalism should be. Asking questions from real people and listening to what they're saying. From the Guardian, this is a pleasant surprise.
I’m thankful for the algorithm which suggested this video. Simple, smart, direct, and needed above all. Great work!
Space_Race no (:
Space_Race I’m saying this from the heart, you could have done something way more beneficial instead of acting on such a thin idea. Be well
Space_Race haha 😂 I actually need to watch it again to decide if I have notes on few things. Saying it’s good doesn’t mean I fully agree with it. Nice one, really! 😂
I'm not a fan of The Guardian at all but this is a great video, lots of really good points raised, we need more of this from the mainstream media
We don't need anything from Mainstream Media. They're desperately trying to win back some trust and it looks like it's working
Two episodes in, and I'm still very impressed with Iman and her pursuit of understanding JBP and why men feel like there's a masculinity crisis. Thank you for being open-minded and actually having a dialogue instead of just smearing men like most in the media.
Helen needs to step forward so we can give her a standing ovation. For helping Neil become the man he is now!
I suffered from addiction, depression, anxiety and was a terrible boyfriend to my partner. I now am sober, clean and work full time running the UK part of an American company. Jordan Peterson saved my life.
Now this is what a real journalist looks like. She asks questions, she's curious, she listens and doesn't project her own biases - if she has any at all. That's something I found refreshing about Iman is that you couldn't tell what her particular stance on the subject of conversation was, you just knew she was interested in the response. Well done Guardian. Keep it the fuck up. People in general need this sort of responsible journalism, not just men.
I’m shocked as to how good this series is. Well done to the journalist and the publication.
Notice there were no blaming, victimisation, bending the rules to fit someone.
Just simply taking responsibility and action to become a better person.
Shouldn’t we all be doing this? Both male and female.
What kind of future society do you want?
Look inside, start within.
I was literally in the Barbers this morning talking about Mental Health and Male suicide rates; the Barber says they are part of a group that encourages men to talk and share their woes. We also discussed the decline of the Pub and how that was once an outlet for men to have a chat and a drink, to get things off their chest, to have a whinge and a laugh; which was once all part of the battle of life.
I am deeply impressed with this video and the series as a whole. The fact that Iman, as a woman, is asking hard questions about what it means to be a man and willing to listen without judgment is soo refreshing. Although I consider myself a feminist and see the injustice that women face to this day, I have increasingly had the feeling that there has been something missing in this conversation. By shedding light on the struggles that we men face but often try to hide ourselves, Iman is helping in making this conversation well rounded and less polarising an judgmental. Thank you for that
This is the type of honest and open conversation that we should have on any subject, be it modern masculity, feminism, climate change, vaccine, gun control, etc. Let people talk openly to express their feeling and ask questions to understand better. Don't attack, don't judge and lead the conversation toward a mutual understanding of the situation (as in both parties get a complete view of the situation) in order to finally bring foward ideas for potential solutions.
I’m torn between two thoughts.
On the one hand I’m happy to see the Guardian actually addressing this.
On the other hand it annoys the hell out of me that the Guardian has been vilifying JBP for years and now they’re stealing his philosophy for clicks.
His philosophy? Ironically his stuff on masculinity often reads like reworded marxist feminist analysis on toxic masculinity in late capitalism :p
Molseren yes, his philosophy.
If that’s your opinion on his work, you’re probably reading the wrong book. Either that or you’re just being dismissive due to personal ideology.
Lol "his philosophy" okay....
itstrbo what is funny about that?
The conversation that the men and the lady interviewing them were having werent on the concept of modern masculinity. It was in INDIVIDUALISM. On how to shoulder more responsibility and build your own truth. Which transcends just mere categorizations such masculinity and femininity. Because it applies to everyone.
Which is exactly what Peterson talks about.
Really wonder why Peterson gets so much of flak for it
But Petersen focuses more on men doing it than women. Men need to decide who they are, what they'll be. Women, by dint of their biology, not so much.
@@dumfriesspearhead7398 he addresses both men and women more equally its just that the media only picks up on the ones where he addresses women. Also it's seems that men are gravitating more
There are different kinds of masculinity, e.g.: James Bond versus a biker gang member versus a lumberjack, and I hope this series addresses the fact masculinity expresses itself in many ways. I think masculinity prioritises individualism a bit more than feminity, but you're absolutely right. I also think individualism as a form of leadership is common across many forms of masculinity, but leadership is probably the quality that is even more commonly associated with masculinity.
Here in North America, "man cards" were popular about 10 years ago, but they described an Alaskan outdoorsman more than anything else.
We don't need much responsibilities without authority.
What do you mean ? Can you develop ?
@Ryan D I get it.
We are responsible if we have the power to impact on what we are responsible for. So in order to get men more responsible, they need to have more authority ?
I hope my english is understandable
Truth is there is no responsibility if you have no authority, people who don't give you authority over a thing but say you're responsible for it are basically saying you are only there to take the blame for someone else for no gain...… why should any man live his life as a punching bag?.
The best thing about this series is allowing men to speak for themselves. The key concept in anthropology - or any study of a group not our own- is to allow that group to be judged not just by an outsider but also by themselves. One of the great flaws in much modern journalism is the tendency to dismiss and condescend non mainstream people or views. (Unless they are widely accepted as being oppressed recently). The way Jordan Peterson is so often introduced as 'controversial' or 'alt-right' is an example of this desire judge solely on a mainstream perspective. It took great boldness to make this series and I look forward to the following episodes. Those of us who align with traditional values really appreciate you allowing our views to permeate the mainstream. Being heard and listened to is a precious moment.
This journalist should get promoted, she is very very good at this. Its honest and not ideological, its inquiry driven and not narrative driven. I am impressed by this level of journalism today!
I love the word ‘truth’. Are we finally on the cusp of emerging from postmodern valuelessness and darkness? Are we finally moving into a new, brighter age?
Sorry dude, your hopes are a bit of a reach... but I feel ya...
Yes
Being an immigrant and living in London for the past 8 years, this video encompasses everything I love in the British and their idiosyncratic approach to the culture of conversation, and exchange of knowledge. The candid, honest, judgement-free float of conversation, on a high level of insight and emotional intelligence while avoiding any sort of truisms or sense of being overtly contrived just for the sake of media format. So truthful, helpful and above all, meaningful.
Also, having started these series I was a bit sceptic, if not prejudiced to see a woman trying to talk about masculinity and its crisis, thinking 'yes, great, another feminist rant'. But so far I am happy to say the series have challenged that bias, exposing it straight back to me, making me question such assumptions by showing that as long as this conversation is meaningful it really shouldn't (and doesn't) matter.
I’ve been looking forward to the second episode, impressed again with Iman Amrani’s journalism and questions.
One word comes to mind when watching this series: respect. You come into these conversations open and willing to learn about someone's perspectives without judgement, and that really shines through in the most refreshing way. There is no agenda-pushing, no tongue-in-cheek "can ya get a load o' these guys" mentality. You knock on the door, wait to be invited in, and open yourself to an honest dialogue.
I like that she’s not trying to argue, but attempting to find out new information. That’s what makes this so good.
When your mom tells you to clean your room you do it so she stops nagging, when JB tells you to clean your room you do it to take responsibility for something. The room being clean is a secondary thing in this case and could be substituted with anything else.
Different type of tyranny, same outcome.
@@giazveriachvili8348 how is that tyranny? JBP has no way to force you to do anything. In fact the act of cleaning your room only has meaning if it's done voluntarily.
@@giazveriachvili8348 You come off as irrevocably braindead. My condolences.
@@spiritualforest6918 ouch, meanie! But seriously, I envy the arrogance and confidence of primitive people.
Isnt that crazy tho? You listening to someone that doesnt even care abt you. Your Mom works for you and lets you stay in her house for free.
"We need men talking to men!" Great line. If the older men look up for and serve as role models for the younger men, there would not be so much confusion in men today. Fathers should be there to raise their boys, grandfathers should be there to share wisdom to fathers, and men in communities should realize that the way they act will influence the younger generation!
Who kicked dad out of the house?
@@jeanpaulgartier3404 I suppose this can only be debated considering each family case separately. There are black sheep on both sides.
@@MasteryOrder how to say nothing with many words, my question was not hard
@@jeanpaulgartier3404 Well, it's a general question that can only be answered if you are a bit more specific. Which dad was kicked out of the house?
@@MasteryOrder I mean the father's of the children who are the offspring of single mothers.
This is like a callback to a past where people could disagree honestly and discuss it without losing their cool. Great job. I hope to see more like this.
I like to debate people and you would be surprised on how many people actually have meltdowns when i challenge their beliefs. yesterday was a record for me, 4 people had a meltdown over me challenging them.
That contrast about Mum vs Peterson saying the same thing was on point.
So, for millennia men never had this issue. Maybe I haven’t seen enough of this series but if you don’t end up asking why this is even needed, it is bound to happen over and over again.
So, why is there even a need for “modern masculinity”, why do so many of these young men having such issues? Why is “traditional masculinity” defined as emotional repression when I never saw my WW2 grandfathers and uncles behave that way? Until we are willing to to discuss the hard reality of the cause it will continue. We have to start discussing the negative ugliness of “social engineering.”
As long as the narrative is: “you go girl, men suck and are the root cause of all our problems”, and this narrative is driven by “extremists feminism” it will keep getting worse. It will keep driving young men away.
Censorship across social platforms, where men can’t discuss the hard ugly things, in raw language, is only making it worse.
UA-cam algorithm, I want to be notified of every video of this series, thanks.
The way that barber talked about “lads” really resonated with me. The problem is that men are always seeking a way to have some sort of authority and power in some aspect of their life. Sometimes that’s in a group of friends, a relationship, a job, or anywhere where they have someone’s trust and respect. But when there’s no outlet for that in there lives, that’s when you get young men using violence as some sort of “means to an end” to achieving power and authority.
I know because this was me as a teenager. I wasn’t respected by any of my class mates. I had behavioural problems. I didn’t get along with my family. So my way of achieving respect, trust, power and authority was to go to football matches on weekends and get into brawls because it’s the only way I felt I could be part of something brighter than myself.
If you want young men to have meaning. You need to help them find an outlet in life where they feel they have some authority and power. Otherwise they’ll find more sinister ways to obtain it.
Tranzor Z I’m sorry you feel that way. I think Strigid Lanathiel put it in much better words than I did. Rather than seeking authority, we’re more seeking meaningfulness in our lives and if we don’t get that we’ll find more sinister ways to achieve it like I did.
Why cant everything the guardian do be this honest and genuine, this is real reporting, props to everyone who makes this series but it highlights the lack of real journalism in our society today
Refreshing to see true investigative journalism. This has given me so much more hope for humanity and I truly hope that other journalists follow this as an example of genuine, authentic journalism. It would be amazing to be able to trust media organizations again and to know you're reading fact when reading the news.
Is this Tom Hardy's bald brother?
7:27 of the video is very telling. When women tell men to be men (i.e. take responsibility), they get ignored, called names, or worse. When JP tells men the same things, they do it.
I remembered something JP said awhile ago to women that I thought was very poignant. He said that couples often fight to 'win' or to have the last word, which is self-defeating in the long run. He notes that men are often raised with very limited emotional vocabulary to express themselves, and sometimes, women have to help men articulate and elaborate their needs better instead of constantly trying to win an argument.
Therefore, telling them to make their beds is self-defeating and it won't get far. Rather, giving them an opportunity to explain why they're not willing to make their beds is far more helpful.
Men are sure that only men can help men. That is true for the most part, but there are exceptions. I believe women can adopt a masculine stance when talking to men which can achieve the same effect as well. The only caveat is... this job is best left for mothers/sisters/aunts or family members that aren't interested in dating the men they're trying to change.
Great post. You make a lot of interesting points.
So fatherless families are bad? who knew....
Admittedly, I haven't liked most of the interviews I've seen with Jordan Peterson. But I absolutely love ❤️❤️❤️ these honest conversations with men.
Wow, I actually love this journalist. WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE OF THIS? This is what it means to be a journalist. THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED.
im very skeptical of Jordan Peterson but i'll admit it is promising to me that men are beginning to challenge the definition of what it means to be a man, and extrapolating that into what it means to simply be a better human being.
can you explain why? I don't understand the Peterson hate. He strikes me as someone who is trying to help young men find their way and actually cares passionately about that. The core message is personal responsibility and management of pain and anger what is to dislike about that?
Many people don’t like his politics and he’s also been smeared countless times by “progressive” media.
What an open dude.
Almost tempted to get my haircut for the first time in 6 years now. haha
Great series so far, thanks.
Top notch journalist. Calm, non judgmental, listening, open minded, non-toxic.
Super cool woman.
A thousand bravos and thanks, Iman Amrani. This series is absolutely amazing. It's really rare that people take the time to really discuss without prejudice, irony, or a willingness to mock or ridicule other people's ideas and thoughts. You learn a lot more about people that way.
Great series so far. Quick note: At 6:10 you said, “It feels like Peterson has claimed ownership of this idea of responsibility.” He hasn’t taken claim but nor is trying too. He states how this message of responsibility is overshadowed by only the discussion of rights.
King Koby, seems to be a secular humanism, taken the form of a brotherhood/business.
Noah never seen the barber shop scene in coming to America?
@S K _"Quit putting your political agenda onto everything."_
You called secular humanism a "political agenda" and seven people upvoted your post... is this some joke that went over my head or are there really this many people who are too lazy to look up the definition of "secular humanism?"
Secular humanism is absurd. It’s lacks the capability to generate any meaning and purpose beyond the arbitrary, and presupposes is even the most basic and fundamental ideas (ideas that aren’t self-evident like intrinsic human value and that suffering is objectively a bad thing.
@S K _"I know what secular humanism is."_
That is demonstrably untrue, since you just called it a 'political agenda.'
_"You're just cringey asf trying to shoehorn it in here."_
I'm not the one who brought up secular humanism, and I have no assertion as to my position on it. You seem very confused about everything.
Dayimm, Neil is the kind of guy I'd like to have a beer with just to continue this conversation.
What a breath of fresh air.. its been never since I witness a journalist looking for the truth, instead of labeling and lying. Thank you Iman !
I think everyone has masculine and feminine energies but I think a lot men aren't using their feminine side to counter balance the masculinity in their lives. Talking to one another and being vulnerable is the perfect example and I think we need more woman (and men) like Iman to help create this dialogue between men because women have been talking to each and being transparent for years while men sat in the shadows burying their insecurities. We can learn so much from each other as fellow men, women... humans. This is a great series so far and I'm really grateful this issue is being talked about, it feels like people care about the struggles I've been dealing with for some time now. Thank you Guardian!
Think I should be giving this barber a visit! Proud that he's from Leeds ❤️
All the way in leeds!!! Dang it!!!
He is a smart one too for making free ad lmaoo
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