How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling | Ask This Old House
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2015
- This Old House host Kevin O'Connor and electrician Scott Caron head to Denver to install a fan on a cathedral ceiling.
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Shopping List for How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling:
Remote-control ceiling fan with light kit
- 14-3 and 14-2 nonmetallic electrical cable, used to power the switch and fan
- Electrical tape
- Old-work fixture box and blank cover plate, for concealing wire connections
- Pancake electrical box with cable connector, used to mount the ceiling fan
- Twist-on wire connectors, for joining together electrical wires
- 36-inch-long downrod, used to lower the fan from the ceiling
Tools List for How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling:
- Screwdriver
- Needle-nose pliers
- Drywall saw, used to cut access holes in wall and ceiling
- Cordless drill with 3/4-inch-diameter bit, for boring cable holes
- Fish tape, used to pull wires
- Scaffolding and ladders, for working at ceiling height
- Linesman pliers, for cutting and twisting wires
- Wire strippers, used to remove insulation from wires
Steps for How to Install a Ceiling Fan on a Cathedral Ceiling:
1. Turn off the electrical power to a nearby wall switch
2. Unscrew the cover plate and switch from the switch box.
3. Use needle-nose pliers to snap off the plastic tab from the rear of the switch box.
4. Use a drywall saw to cut an access hole in the wall near the ceiling directly above the switch box.
5. Drill a 3/4-inch-diameter hole through the top wall plate.
6. Use a drywall saw to cut a second access hole in the ceiling on the opposite side of the wall.
7. Push a fish tape through the hole in the switch box and up to the access hole at the top wall plate.
8. Attach a length of 14-3 electrical cable to the lower end of the fish tape, and pull the cable up through the wall to the access hole at the top wall plate.
9. Push the fish tape from the top plate to the second access hole in the ceiling.
10. Attach the cable to the fish tape, then pull the cable across the ceiling to the second access hole.
11. Cut a round hole in the ceiling at the ceiling-fan location.
12. Push the fish tape from the second access hole down to the ceiling-fan hole.
13. Attach a 14-2 electrical cable to the end of the fish tape, then pull the cable to the second access hole.
14. At the second access hole, install an old-work plastic fixture box, then make the wire connections: white to white, black to black, and bare copper ground to bare copper ground. Leave the red wire unattached.
15. Screw a blank cover plate over the fixture box.
16. Snap a cable connector onto a pancake box, pull the cable through the connector, then screw the box to the roof rafter.
17. Install a 36-inch-long downrod to the ceiling fan.
18. Screw the fan's mounting bracket to the pancake box, then fasten the fan's brace to the bracket.
19. Hang the ceiling fan's ball joint onto the brace.
20. Make the wire connections at the fan box, then attach the fan blades to the ceiling fan.
21. Install the light kit to the underside of the fan.
22. Make the wire connections at the switch box, then reinstall the switch and cover plate.
23. Turn on the power and test the operation of the fan and light.
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“Box comes with this template” (takes out sad paper circle). Love it
She had a popcorn ceiling, a pencil or template was not needed.
@@RayleighCriterion popcorn ceiling . ahahaha . now thats a good word to describe.
😂😂☹️
That was classic!
@@Abhishek-C92 lol that's what it's called
“We can cut a hole here and here” ‘omg isn’t there another way?’ “Sure... we can cut a hole here and here just upstairs!”
And now you don’t have a switch...
How else would u do it without cutting holes?
Crafty it has a remote. 10x better than a lame old switch lol
@@foxfiresidechats5227 until you lose it. Why is having a switch for a fan a bad thing?
@@tedfisher1396 You can't avoid cutting holes. The point he was trying to make is if you're gonna cut X amount of holes, why not cut 1 or 2 more to have a wired switch?
@@CupidFromKentucky absolutely, I had a customer who wanted a chandelier with 2 three ways installed in their dining room without any demolition or holes cut. I explained the process and they freaked out.
“Is there another way?” Be hot in your living room I guess
Matthew F 😂
Lmao
Me: "Oh wow! They did a great job!"
Everyone in the comments: "These idiots don't know what they are doing!! Gah!!"
No kidding. I just love how after This Old House (or any home improvement.... for that matter) posts a video, all the experts come out telling them everything they did wrong.
Now let’s see all the “Experts” post their videos and see how they do.
I've notice that Fan is a Casablanca Panama w/K55 motor with A new Comfort Touch
@@SampleZebra advan touch
@@mrbignatedog_Official Not quite, its a IT3 remote control. A advanced touch fan would be this ua-cam.com/video/O0Hwo2viGuE/v-deo.html
I've been watching this show on PBS since I was a kid. I became a first time home owner this year. The existing ceiling fan in my master bedroom was dated and shook horribly. I got a new fan to replace it and discovered that the old fan had the C-shaped hanging bracket facing the wrong way!!! Thanks for clarifying that the opening must face the higher end of the slant. I installed the new fan myself and it works perfectly!
That is the kind of problem that LOOKS really easy. That's the secret, it looks obvious!
8:27 “flush with the sheet rock 🪨” 🤤 so satisfying when Scott says that
I needed this video to figure my 92 yr old cathedral ceiling.The pancake will work there.Thank you so much.
8:34 the girl's face is like: "Can't wait for this to be over. These guys are wasting their time explaining this to me. I'm never gonna install a fan on my own anyway" LOL
Things you'll need to install a ceiling fan on a cathedral ceiling:* Computer with Internet Access* Telephone* Checkbook
Steps:1. Use the Internet to find the greatest electrician in town. Obtain a phone number.2. Use the telephone to arrange for the electrician to put the fan in.3. Sit back and relax while the electrician puts the fan in.4. Write a check to pay the electrician for a job well done.
So its an electrician we hire??
or a handy man.
I did the same thing in my bedroom years ago. I replaced the light with a remote controlled ceiling fan. Worked great!
Kevin would make a great apprentice, so eager to help lol
He also says 'It's 77 inches!' when it's clearly 77 and a half, or a third.
He wrote into the show years ago asking how to remove wallpaper. Now he is a host of renovation show. Smh!
He loves them guys though hell Tommy got him building furniture
oh my that paper template was so funny hahahahaha
When I was younger I thought time was slow but now I’m older I realize time flies
This is the best video by far about installing a ceiling fan.
I really enjoy all the this old house videos
I love watching these videos. So impressive on the problem-solving skills and skill set involved. Thank you for the free entertainment!
I can't have any holes in my easily repairable drywall!
Thats funny.
I agree, but most home owners don’t care how it inconveniences the workman
algum eletricista brasileiro pra ajudar xingar esse eletricista porco 🐷
Fr tho shits annoying like it take five mins to fix and costs little to nothing
In Australia - we'd have to put the fan on the lighting circuit. Nice job from Scott - hopefully he's back on the show now :)
I think you already know by now but Scott left and Heath replaced him. Had something to do with his contract on this show ending. Sorry if that disappoints you
When he started tracing that template I started squirming, good god man it’s tracing a template not surgery!
Yeah, that was a strange technique. Most pros have an assortment of hole saws. Makes quick work of it.
@@RobertLeBlancPhoto You are correct. Most pros have hole saws. Most homeowners don't.
He's trying to show homeowners that don't have that type of equipment for them to do it themselves
Use the box as a template
And on the second one he used the box as template
I'm not a pro but I installed a ceiling fan on my ceiling. I actually had to make a new hole because the previous one was at an angle and not pointing straight down. I cut a hole in the ceiling and installed a ceiling fan mount, the one that you twist until it gets tight against 2 pieces of the wooden frame because the ceiling fan was placed right in the middle of a cathedral ceiling. I had to use customized long screws with spacers because I had a hard time making everything fit together with the original screws. I also had to customize the hole cover in the ceiling because the ceiling fan base was wide and the angle was wide too like a triangle. Everything seems to be holding together just fine. It's not wobbling at all and no strange noises either. I think I may have over killed it on the mount because it feels very stiff and it is hard to make it wobble LOL. All I got to do now is just put caulk in the little gaps and paint the piece of fiber wood sheet white. It is located at the very top of the fan, covering the hole evenly. because of the triangular shape angle.
I'm an electrical contractor. I've never run across a ceiling constructed with slats on top of joists. How lucky there was a pipe with a nice little slot cut for recessed drilling at top plate. And why not use a hole saw for ceiling boxes. Quicker and easier.
Same...seen 1000s of ceiling and never one like that with fishing so simple
Exactly it’s never that easy I work on double board houses that fight me the entire way
Up here in New England almost every house is strapped like that.
Was just thinking the same thing
Was thinking the same thing. Also I’ve been in the electrical trade 23 years. Use a hole saw.
This is awesome
FYI - they make "saddle" and retrofit side mount fan rated boxes that give you more room for wires than a pancake.
They also make ones where the joist fits right in the middle of the box.
Very useful tutorial.
this work is good I love it
you guys are great,
They took out the part where they all sleep together..... I think I’m on the wrong site.
😆😆😆
Lmao
What I will also do is use the blue lock tight on the screw threads so the vibration from the fan doesn't shake the screws loose.
Most people don't begin to realize what guys like him and plumbers and hvac guys have to go thru to get a job accomplished.
Especially women
Great job I enjoyed it 😎😎
It would be really useful explaining the pros and cons of snaking the fans wire each way and how you think the situation through. Thanks regardless.
2000s Late - Mid Casablanca Panama I fan that we're going again Install have been wanting if the Reality Fans in Malaysia! knowing what very powerful a Remote control
I see
How was there a void up in the loft but not the family room area? That ceiling would have been dry walled all at once.
Being apprentice from this guy, Tomy, and all the crew from this old house would be the best job.
Who wants water and nails? ☺️
Nice job. Love it
Is the reason you ran wire from the loft to avoid drilling each rafter snaking from a switched source downstairs? Good video thanks for sharing with us.
The customer didn't want holes in the wall or ceiling down stairs.
the light switch I have doesn't turn on/Off the light but makes the fan turn only. I need to turn on/off the light, any ides how to fix?
Good thing ATOH was paying the bill....not a cheep install.
I love your picar of the lighting
question, when was the transmitter installed ? in the fan or the wall ? never show the transmitter installed
OK...how long did it really take to fish those wires?
+todd baker . Fishing wire across the rafters isn't easy because there aren't furring strips in most cases.
+todd baker if it was me, from start to finish, roughly 3 hrs. (it takes me 35-mins to install similar fan in a low ceiling. 25 mins without light kit -basic fans-) them: set-up scaffoldings, cameras etc, probably the whole day.
+erictold Not to mention there's no insulation in the ceiling either.
Agreed
Long enough to fill a 10 gallon swear jar.
I think it's a Casablanca ceiling fan
It is
Smart guys
I am sure they have had many uh oh on the worksite with This old House, i sense some cutting of the scenes I wonder if they had any on this episode?
Where did the red worker go to boss.thanks for all your time to try and give us some knowledge great job guys may God Almighty continue to bless you all at this old House p.s. you are the best top electrician I've seen in a long time .
Wish you showed how to do the final wall switch connections. Best t show from beginning to end. of all connections.
T F
RED- wire is extra, (in case you add a light fixture in the future) so you don’t connect that one to anything
Copper/ ground goes together with all the other ones
White- wire goes with the white wire behind the switch (if the switch has an extra insert hole) or add a wire-nut to secure the extra wire for the fan.
Black- wire same procedure as white but obviously for the the black wire.
The biggest issue is always having enough space for all the wires
@@eduardodedios8213 is the reason for not using the red wire because she is using the remote control to turn it on and off???
If this guy is a master electrician. I can’t believe he dosent use a 4-5” hole saw for cutting holes in drywall. It gives clean perfect holes. And they even make a drillers bowl to catch all the dust when you cut into drywall.
Why 4 or 5”?
@@electricaf365 use a 4” or 5” then fish wires use this as a plug when your done. Ever do it like that?
I wanna know why he didn’t use a saddle box
YES for many years!
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no strap on the rafters and no insulation in the ceiling's attic?
8:32 When I'm guiding my wife down.
Oh yeah they just carry half a ceiling in their truck
My question is, why don’t us have standard to run wires inside pvc pipe? It’s so easy to fish wires in them
That is a Casablanca Panama II, great choice! It's an expensive fan but you get what you pay for.
Username checks out
Ikr I just got a used one with a W-32 Intelitouch.
You make tings great job wow
How did Scott manage to hit right onto the roof rafter for the pancake box?
Mixed circuit. ?
Nice job!
I didn’t see the part where the receiver for the remote was installed.🤔
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I think that that receiver would always done by then.
No no it doesn’t come with a receiver you just have to wire the remote
When you hang the fan on the bracket
The Panama II “Advan-Touch” comes with the receiver integrated into the microprocessor within the fan. No need to add a receiver.
@@adriananoelle4699 Thank you for the clarification.
Why did he not install a LED light bulb, did he say 100 Watt ???
That could have been a 10 to 12 watt LED.
+Thias Russell national known LED brand makers haven't come up with LED replacement bulbs for that particular base. (they've could of chosen a different fan)
That Make sense, but for me it looks like a G9 bulb. But correct me if I am wrong.
Regards.
thats a casablanca advan-touch panama, using an LED would fry the board
Coxfame incorrect it could've really been replaced with an LED and that location is perfect for it as it's harder to access
Thias Russell It was 2015... and they were expensive and besides... the fan came with it. So what... quit nit picking.
thanks
so do you not have to worry about stapling the wire to and joices then?
zach9872 not in a retro fit situation
I love the fan
Good video
How to install new pull switch on ceiling fan lights??? Video available ???
11:32 Eric Clapton or someone is jamming hard to this! love that
4:45 why not put a fan fixture? that will allow a fan to be put in
The loft looks too short to have a fan put in.
No most brands sell extremely small fans for these kinds or rooms. That room looks like it can snuggly fit a 42” fan.
I love Celing fan
Very smart guy
its not satin nickel for the finish its brushed nickel.
Nice rabbit ears!
how did they fish that first part if there is no strapping.
They should use a Advan-Touch Casablanca panama because it has more features
Dude finding a brand new advanced touch fan would probably be impossible. I am honestly surprised these guys could find a brand new IT3 Casablanca panama in 2015.
The light kit on the fan is not exactly easy to get at when the bulb needs replacement. I'd want an LED light source there.
This is why I install pull chain lights lol.
Popcorn ceiling, abestos?
How much was this project, parts and labor?
had put up my ceiling fan today
Nice new fan, but she's got a hole in the side of her wall.
WirelessHotShot there's a utility cover that can easily cover it
That popcorn ceiling is a pain in the butt. I helped my dad scrape it off of our house in all the rooms. And then texture it all as well. Horrible stuff.
The oils on your skin will damage a halogen bulb. I believe that 100 percent. No doubt about that. When I worked at the roller skating rink, I was the facility lighting coordinator and my assistant and I were changing the light bulb in the spotlight for the disco ball. He touched the halogen bulb for the disco ball with the bare hands. At first, the lamp was okay but it later exploded during the hokey pokey. It sounded like gunfire and put the rink into a lockdown and the swat team was dispatched. Skaters went pouring out the fire exits and the whole bit. Instantly put the hokey pokey in the toilet. The hokey pokey was ruined. The on standby rink resource officer yelled into his police radio, "Shots fired!" On and on. Now, this was shortly after the Virginia Tech so, you can only imagine that everyone was on edge. Well, all of this madness was caused by a halogen bulb that had exploded. And, the bulb was touched. So, the mural is, don't touch the bulb. Halogen bulbs are made of quartz, and oils from shin will deform the quartz. When the bulb is in operation, it gets hot. The heat boils the oils. The boiling oil causes the quartz to explode. So, you have to handle the halogen bulb with toilet paper. And, if you accidentally touch the bulb with your pare skin, clean it with rubbing alcohol. If you don't have rubbing alcohol, liquor alcohol can also be used to clean halogen bulbs.
Homeowner: thank you
Worker: that'll be $550 dammit
Was it just coincidence that he hit right on the joist when he cut the drywall for the fan box? The same distance to the wall was measured for both cut outs but he did not hit the joist on the previous cut.
The span is to long for a single rafter, that’s the reason for the gluelam beam mid span. The rafters will be offset 1.5”.
They prolly scanned the ceiling beforehand, and decided on the pancake box for the fan, and slightly offset the junction box location for an old work ceiling box. The rafter in the middle of the fan box hole was planned, and the drama of an incorrect box added to show what to do in different scenarios.
A Casablanca gen 3
Nice video
I love the apartment
It's not an apartment it's a HOUSE
Okay I have a problem with this he doesn't explained there's a certain amount of load you can put on one circuit breaker. Meaning how much extra power you going to use to put a fan on that circuit breaker
Because there is an NEC table. In the code book that tells you...And no sane person would use that bulb today. They get hot.....100 watts\120 volts=1 amp, plus the fan motor rating. Which is around 1 amp... So not an issue...
this fan is the casablanca panama, the first ever five bladed ceiling fan
I see
I was really hoping they would show how they patched up that first hole he cut. Maybe get some pointers.
bill smith keep the piece you cut out. Get small strips of wood longer than the hole. Put in back of wall, secure with screws. Put cut out piece back with screws into the new backing wood you just put in. Spackle and paint. Easy.
Simple fix. Use a shallow cut-in box. Put a blank cover on it. Done...As the cost to fix that hole. Is 10x more to repair..
The electrician doesn't do that. It's on her to fix
Soooo what color is the hot wire??? Black???
If you are going through all this hassle, at least replace her 2-gang box with a 3-gang and new switch for the new ceiling junction box in the loft you added. It was literally $8 more in materials to just go ahead and do it right the first time.
WirelessHotShot geez 😂
Obviously, you have no idea how long and how much additional labor would have to be charged to upgrade to a 3-gang box. It's a lot more than "$8.00"
thechosendude ya you are right lets put a dead switch on the wall and add 2 more hrs to the job not to mention the vent stack in the way leave a good job up to the pros
thechosendudeㄦ
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How high is the ceiling fan
Great
I just removed the popcorn ceiling in my garage and repainted it with white sand texture--you got to love the popcorn ceiling.
I live in Denver
I saw this once and when I went to go find it again I never could then just now it pops up on recommend 😑
This video was unlisted for awhile.
that ceiling fan was a casablunca :)
7:22 Light fixture box vs Fan filter box
Wouldn't a switch and the remote be the best option?
This is a casablanca panama 2 fan you can only have either a wall control intelitouch or a remote control advanced touch.
i'd love to know if that fan is still hanging
I was thinking the same thing. hopefully there's more than just one screw fastening it to ceiling joist / rafter
Why wouldn't it be ?
They sell very nice art deco floor fans for like $150...
he used 14 gauge on a 12 gauge. he was supposed to add two more switches no matter what what if they exchange that fan for a non remote one??
where did you see 12 gauge? Switches usually control lights; lights typically use 14 gauge wiring.... he branched off a switch... so again, where was the 12AWG wiring?
LOl at that paper template.
tebrikler 🤔👏